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Hot Stove Heats Up, White Sox Not Cookin

The first two days of the Winter Meetings were pretty boring, even as the predictable big money deals rolled in (K-Rod to the Mets, CC to the Yankees). But things started to pick up late Wednesday. Most notably, (from the White Sox perspective) the Tigers and Indians made a couple of trades; the Tigers sending Matt Joyce to the Rays for Edwin Jackson and the Indians getting caught up in a 3-way trade with the Mets and Mariners centering around J.J. Putz.

These two trades should have an effect not just on the Sox '09 season, but on their off-season too. Yesterday afternoon, Wiz linked to a CBS blog that put the rest of the Sox off-season quite succinctly.

The White Sox still want to add a starting pitcher this winter, but what kind of pitcher they can get depends on whether they're able to trade outfielder Jermaine Dye.

Baseball trades, rumors and blog coverage - SB Nation
MLB Hot StoveThe writer seems to think the Sox want to be active in the free agent starting pitching market, but I'd say given their rumored demands for Dye that they are more likely to be looking to get a young starter in return for Dye, and replace his production via free agency.

The Rays and Jackson were one of the rumored destination and targets in the Jermaine Dye rumors, which seemingly removes a suitor. Amazingly, all 5 AL Central teams were looking to move a corner outfielder at the meetings; Jermaine Dye (White Sox), Matt Joyce (Tigers), Franklin Guitierrez (Indians), Delmon Young (Twins), Jose Guillen and Mark Teahen (Royals) have all been involved in the rumor mill, which, along with a saturated corner OF/DH free agent market, makes for a relatively light demand for Dye in a trade.

The Indians moved Franklin Gutierrez in their massive trade with the M's & Mets, and should complete their deal with Kerry Wood sometime Thursday, which leaves only one marquee closer on the free agent market.

Seeing as the market for Dye, while noisy, is tepid at best, and with possibly all attractive closer candidates off the market by the weekend, the Sox may shift their focus to using Bobby Jenks as a trade piece. The Mariners just received a haul for Putz (and two fringe major leaguers), and if Brian Fuentes is snatched up by a team like the Angels, the Sox might find themselves holding quite a valuable commodity. I don't want to speculate here, but lets just say I can see the Sox improving themselves significantly if they play their hand right.

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It will be sad to see Jenks go...

but if it gets us a CF and some other pieces, that would be nice to see. Who would close? Easy heat?

www.stallingtheman.blogspot.com

by Raf on Dec 11, 2008 2:42 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The only problem with using Easy Heat is replacing his spot in the pen.

I think that he has the best stuff to do it and he would be my choice. But i just get the feeling that Ozzie would rather go to Dotel since he’s done it before…

Obviously it’s down to those 2 because we’ve seen that Linebrink doesn’t want to close.

I am going to ask you one time, and i'm gonna ask you nice. Where the fuck is Ringo bitch.

by ElDiablo on Dec 11, 2008 6:42 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nice post Cheat,

I’m guessing that it will only take our local sportswriters another week or so to be proactive, look at the market, and figure out what took you probably 10 minutes to realize.

I like Jenks too but, if he brings good value…..Adios.

I keep seeing Baldelli’s name on MLBTR. I wonder what kind of contract he’s looking for / going to get? Since we’ve been linked to him in the past. I still laugh when i think about Rocco getting a beer dumped on him.

I am going to ask you one time, and i'm gonna ask you nice. Where the fuck is Ringo bitch.

by ElDiablo on Dec 11, 2008 6:49 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nice post

but too bad for most of you “makes for a relatively light demand for Dye in a trade”. Now there is NO chance they are trading Bad Bobby either. If Kenny is trying to compete and stay young at the same time trading Bobby Jenks makes no sense. There are very few in the league that can do what he does…be consistant. No matter where he ranks in your projected top 10 closers, he arguably has been one of OUR top 3 strenghs over the last 3 1/2 seasons. You don’t trade a fairly young proven commodity for unproven commodities unless you are able to clean out someone’s system. Since Kenny is so adamant about having a good bull pen, I see nothing but speculation here. The whole point of signing Linebrink to a 4 year deal, and Dotel to 3 years, was to get some guys who could get Bobby the ball. Plus why would you sign those guys to long term deals if you planned on dealing Bobby the next offseason? It would make no sense to build your middle relief and then trade your closer, the whole reason you signed these guys in the first place. As for Matt Thornton, he has never shown me anything that tells me he can close ball games in pressure situations.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 11, 2008 7:41 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

REALLY?

Have you ever seen him pitch with a game on the line? He is not closer material. He wasn’t even set up man material going into last season. So what makes you believe he can close? Because he throws hard? His control has been known to go away from time to time, as opposed to Bobby where he has had consistent control since he got here. Of course your little butt buddy would have to chime in.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 11, 2008 10:53 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

who cares about that crap?

Billy Koch had a high k/9 ratio.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 11, 2008 10:58 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he had about 3 less ks/9 than thornton

and twice as many bb/9 and just about 3 times the amount of hr/9

sit*

by U-God on Dec 11, 2008 11:00 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

who cares

He looks like a dear in headlights when put in high leverage situations.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 11, 2008 11:01 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He is attractive to some.

i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.

by winningugly on Dec 11, 2008 11:02 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I am sorry IDGFlyingF

what his k/9 or whip or any of that crap is. If a guy in my bullpen makes my sphincter tighten up any time I see him pitch, I don’t want him as my closer. Call it anal intuition.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 11, 2008 11:05 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

seriously

good point.

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Dec 11, 2008 11:07 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no

because he is not trying to blow guys away anymore. did you see him putting guys on base when he was throwing 100mph?

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 11, 2008 11:08 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yes

his walk rates were higher back then

sit*

by U-God on Dec 11, 2008 11:09 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he only threw 100mph

for a half season. he was throwing somewhere between 93-96 in 06’

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 11, 2008 11:10 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the year he changed his method...

hmmmm…..

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 11, 2008 11:31 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the point is

he’s right. c’mon. get it through your thick skull. logic left a power vacuum and wgtgd’s full blown retardation is filling the void.

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Dec 11, 2008 11:38 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

His MPH has dropped since he got here.

Yet he is still ranked 4th in WPA. That tells me that he is learning how to pitch as opposed to just being a flame thrower.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 11, 2008 11:09 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not only that, but how many years does a closer usually maintain his closing schtuff?

I would rather use Bobby’s current value to get someone good (and try Dotel – hope he has a great season – or Thornton to close) than let him fizzle out on our watch.

Bobby can give up a home run or put runners on base as well as the next one. I love the guy – been great to us – but if he is the player who gives us leverage to get something we need more (CF/SP), I’m all for trading him.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Dec 11, 2008 11:11 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He can still get it up there at 100mph as he showed

in game 163 and in the playoff game. He has become a pitcher. I don’t see the decline? He chose not to throw 100mph so he could stay healthy and add longevity to his career. There is a long list of closers who “maintained” their stuff.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 11, 2008 11:14 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

by not throwing as hard...

of course his k/9 is going to go down… I would be willing to bet that his ground ball rate has increased since 05’.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 11, 2008 11:15 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well no shit

less strikeouts is gonna lead to more outs in the other departments

sit*

by U-God on Dec 11, 2008 11:18 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well he has shown us

HE IN FACT, DID NOT LOSE HIS FASTBALL! He is trying to preserve his career by changing his method. So what if his peripheral stats go up? It doesn’t necessarily mean he is declining. He is still getting the job done, just doing it in a different way.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 11, 2008 11:30 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And he very well may have another great season, maybe more, in him.

But why hang on to a player until they are donefer and you can’t get shit for them, when he may be the most valuable trade bait we have, for positions that must be filled?
I’d rather have a SP.

I’d be pushing for the Jenks trade, if I were you….it’s either him or your man/membership after all….

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Dec 11, 2008 11:27 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

who says he's done hsa?

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 11, 2008 11:30 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Certainly not me.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Dec 11, 2008 11:31 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

BTW I would rather lose my membership

than lose those 2 guys if we are expecting to contend next season as I believe we are.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 11, 2008 11:33 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ever heard that you have to sacrifice in order to gain? Or that the greatest sacrifices yield the greatest rewards?

I don’t want Bobby gone either. But we have gaping holes at huge positions, and in order to fill them properly, we need to get rid of some value.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Dec 11, 2008 11:35 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

i'd listen to the lady, triples

that’s the board’s foremost authority on filling huge gaping holes talking

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Dec 11, 2008 11:37 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

haha! This is true.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Dec 11, 2008 11:38 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

She teed that up pretty well for you.

i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.

by winningugly on Dec 11, 2008 11:39 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it's the offseason

we don’t want to strain ourselves or anything. just some simple BP to keep in shape.

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Dec 11, 2008 11:42 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

like throwing a pencil down a hallway.

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Dec 11, 2008 11:39 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i've always said "hot dog"

instead of pencil. using meat is more crudely allusive and the alliteration really makes it sing.

by Ryno on Dec 11, 2008 11:45 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well now we know about colin's self-image

not to go all freud or something.

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Dec 11, 2008 11:46 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ho-ho would work even better!

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Dec 11, 2008 11:47 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

especially for depressed fucked cake eating

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Dec 11, 2008 11:53 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

rec'd

for using the term “gaping hole”.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 11, 2008 11:50 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that's the point of the argument

he’s not “done”. he still has an awesome arm at a price that can’t be beat. teams would be willing to give up a lot to get him. the argument is whether it would be better for the organization to keep him or flip him to plug holes that need filling.

how hard is that to get?

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Dec 11, 2008 11:34 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I am never against an offer that

I can’t refuse.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 11, 2008 11:49 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nobody

But his value will go down. What if he gets injured again this year? It will be even worse.

Look if they can move him and get good value out of him then so be it. I love Jenks, but we need to make the right moves for our squad.

by 815Sox on Dec 11, 2008 1:04 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

rec'd

it seemed last season it was an anomaly if bobby didn’t put people on. i should have gotten bags of kingsford before each game for my sphincter tightening. i could have started a diamond business that rivals debeers.

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Dec 11, 2008 11:18 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

cuz not looking terrified is totally necessary

i mean, looking like a crazy person or badass really helped balfour or koch

sit*

by U-God on Dec 11, 2008 11:03 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ah, yes.

thornton certainly is a dear. his grandmother always says that. very helpful.

by larry on Dec 11, 2008 11:05 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol

am I the only one who saw him tighten up in high leverage situations? I would look at splits but I am busy working.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 11, 2008 11:06 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

actually, can anyone look up his WPA for me?

thx in advance

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 11, 2008 11:07 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

who gets it done? who doesnt?

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 11, 2008 11:11 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You are a joke.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 11, 2008 11:16 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It shows what your win percentage was

going into the inning, and what it was boosted up to when Player A was inserted into the game.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 11, 2008 11:19 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

a good WPA

means you increase your teams chances of winning.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 11, 2008 11:19 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

whoa, whoa, whoa

the guy around here who shows the most ambivalence to stats is now using them? did i miss something?

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Dec 11, 2008 11:23 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

if I can cherry-pick a stat

and use it to my advantage… then, yes!

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 11, 2008 11:24 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

not sure...

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 11, 2008 11:22 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol.

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Dec 11, 2008 11:24 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

might want to understand the stat before deciding it's the greatest thing since the creation of the save.

it’s can be a useful stat when utilized properly. not sure you’re doing that here, however.

by larry on Dec 11, 2008 11:25 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Dec 11, 2008 11:26 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The stat must have some relevance

if the top closers in the game, all have top WPA’s.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 11, 2008 11:26 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

they also tend to be up there in saves

and we all know how great that stat is

sit*

by U-God on Dec 11, 2008 11:28 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

good closers

happen to play on good teams?

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 11, 2008 11:34 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

go on...

I am not opposed to learning something new. Sometimes you have to look BTB.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 11, 2008 11:39 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

opportunity is one of the main variables of that stat.

players on good teams will generally have more opportunities to have a higher WPA. closers will generally get more opportunities in high leverage situations than set-up men. comparing a closer with a non-closer doesn’t necessarily tell you that much.

by larry on Dec 11, 2008 11:43 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wasn't trying to compare his WPA against Thorntons if you got that impression.

Just against other closers in the league.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 11, 2008 11:48 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

larry of all people

I would imagine you to use common sense.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 11, 2008 11:17 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

line vs Thorton in high lev in 08

.207/.275/.354

That sucks.

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."

by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by Tdogg on Dec 11, 2008 11:30 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Looks like Fuku's 2nd half.

i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.

by winningugly on Dec 11, 2008 11:31 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

all this matt thornton talk

is only because of his 08 season. Not a big enough sample size.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 11, 2008 11:37 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

if you do a 5/4/3 weight of his 06-08 FIP

you get a 3.31 FIP. his ‘08 season was definitely his best though and there’s not really much reason to think he’s established a new performance level…i think.

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Dec 11, 2008 11:50 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That is why I am not a believer

in M-Dog just yet. He will have to show me sustained sucess before I just go passing the torch to him.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 11, 2008 11:53 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

if we aren't going to be good

i don’t mind not having a legit closer.

but if kenny thinks the team can compete, i think i’d prefer bobby to be on it. there’s probably some spoiled fan base thing going on here too. we don’t remember what it was like to have a crap closer anymore, perhaps.

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Dec 11, 2008 11:56 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

exactly

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 11, 2008 11:59 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i don't think i'm being consistent

on this closer issue.

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Dec 11, 2008 12:00 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you are looking BTB colin!

congrats!

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 11, 2008 12:01 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

by the by?

big ten burrito?

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Dec 11, 2008 12:03 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

out side of the box...

or Beyond the Boxscore… intangibles, things that don’t get recorded like how much urine ran down into your sock… stuff like that.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 11, 2008 12:05 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OK

can he handle the pressure of being the closer? That is indeed the unknown. I just don’t want to feel cocky about my bull pen, trade the best guy out of it, and learn the hard way that the guy I believed could close can’t. Plus Thorton has had 1 decent, 1 awful, and 1 pretty good year since he has been here.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 11, 2008 11:36 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you're just not very good at this stuff.

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Dec 11, 2008 11:37 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So what?

This is obviously the only thing you live for, so you better be good at it.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 11, 2008 11:38 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

we can't all

have bill of ladings skillz in our back pocket. you haughty jerk.

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Dec 11, 2008 11:44 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What is funny

is that you have no idea in what context you are using that term.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 11, 2008 11:45 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it is not a skill you retard.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 11, 2008 11:46 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and if it is? it is unmeasurable.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 11, 2008 11:46 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you're not a skill.

burn.

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Dec 11, 2008 11:52 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

so's your face

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Dec 11, 2008 12:15 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Haughty Jerk

That line alone made it worth sifting through all this garbage conversation….

Well that and the Gaping Hole stuff

I am going to ask you one time, and i'm gonna ask you nice. Where the fuck is Ringo bitch.

by ElDiablo on Dec 11, 2008 5:14 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

its an unknown

til you give the guy a shot. what kind of backwards ass reasoning is this?

sit*

by U-God on Dec 11, 2008 11:39 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

people sure like to jump on WTGTD, huh.

he’s not always making stupid points, people, even if you disagree.

by larry on Dec 11, 2008 11:40 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

thank you!

I am just trying to give people a different point of view. I am sure I am wrong a lot but I have proven to have some kind of luck/wisdom with what I say.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 11, 2008 11:41 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not jumping on you

Nor do I disagree with all of your points, but the way you go trying to make them can be pretty rude

by 815Sox on Dec 11, 2008 1:07 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Example =

I am only rude when I have to defend myself against 10 of you.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 11, 2008 1:59 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

WITH THE STRENGTH OF TEN

ORDINARY MEN!

HERCULEEEEEEEEEES!

i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.

by winningugly on Dec 11, 2008 2:53 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's made 2 - which one?

Pressure-tested, or Matty’s somewhat inconsistent history with the Sox?

i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.

by winningugly on Dec 11, 2008 11:41 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the latter.

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Dec 11, 2008 11:43 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

both.

there is something to being able to “forget”. closers, rightly or (more appropriately) wrongly, get an undue amount of attention from the fans and the press for their successes and failures. even if their lack of success in the role has little to nothing to do with their underlying stats, you still need to be able to handle the additional scrutiny that comes with this role. while luck will play a role in this (having early success in the role will give you a lot more rope than if you have poor success early, even if that success of lack thereof is not statistically relevant), it’s still there.

by larry on Dec 11, 2008 11:47 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"poor success"

is that what jerry owens has?

by Ryno on Dec 11, 2008 11:50 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A short memory is a necessity.

Interesting, though, how you square that with being able ot remember tendencies. Closers just might have to worry about their “stuff”, and now how to pitch a particular hitter. I would think “forgetting” and “remembering” are an example of a “cognitive dissonance” event.

i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.

by winningugly on Dec 11, 2008 11:51 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

we should ask milan kundera

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Dec 11, 2008 11:52 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

is there any evidence that

major league pitchers are frequently susceptible to that kind of thing and if so what kind of effect are we talking about?

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Dec 11, 2008 11:52 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My point exactly

couldn’t have said it any better.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 11, 2008 11:55 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

esp the part about fan expectations.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 11, 2008 11:56 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree with all this

But finding a “closer” in the grand scheme of things is not hard. I love Bobby but I do feel the Sox have enough talent bullpen wise and minors to trade him if the deal is right and save money.

I think WTGD puts a little too much emphasis and is making some general statements (like Thorton in high lev situations) that is just false.

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."

by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by Tdogg on Dec 11, 2008 11:56 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"But finding a "closer" in the grand scheme of things is not hard."

Is that why so many teams are in the market for a closer?

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 11, 2008 11:58 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

As opposed to other needs.

Yes I stand by what I said. Closers can from anywhere.

Now starting pitching…..

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."

by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by Tdogg on Dec 11, 2008 12:01 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the market's flush, no?

and K-Rod got nowhere near what he was bandying about earlier. there’s pretty good evidence that closers are being paid pretty much what they’re worth.

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Dec 11, 2008 12:02 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

what did Wood sign for?

1 good/healthy year. That is a big gamble for the Injuns.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 11, 2008 12:04 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That is a lot of money

for a guy who has stayed healthy for 1 out of the last 4 years IIRC.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 11, 2008 12:08 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

going rate per win above replacement is 5 per.

and he’s got quite a bit of upside. seems solid to me.

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Dec 11, 2008 12:09 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

also quite a bit of downside.....................................

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 11, 2008 12:09 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You do the math...

what are the chances that his arm doesn’t fall off (literally).

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 11, 2008 12:10 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

err ?

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 11, 2008 12:10 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i dn

that’s on the indians, no? i think he got about fair market value based on my perception of the average of all the possibilities.

i will say that one of the things you pay a closer for is consistency.

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Dec 11, 2008 12:13 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

0%

Now figuratively speaking, there are actually some fair odds that that could happen

by jeeves on Dec 11, 2008 12:24 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol I know...

they could get him in the booth with Santo… Pirates of Wrigleyville

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 11, 2008 2:01 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i've only seen year terms

not dollars. two years plus vesting third per google news search.

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Dec 11, 2008 12:07 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think MLBTR

Had something about 2yrs/20Mil which i find ridiculous.

by JoeCoolMan24 on Dec 11, 2008 12:11 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Per latest on MLBTR

4:42pm: Castrovince says Wood is headed to Cleveland for a Thursday physical. He believes the two-year, $20MM deal will include a third-year option of some variety.

by JoeCoolMan24 on Dec 11, 2008 12:12 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe K-Rod turned down less

money because he wanted to pitch in a big market? Make even more money by being able to market himself in a big city?

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 11, 2008 12:08 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If anything

He’d need more money b/c it’s expensive to live in New York. Not to mention, he’s a closer, not Lebron James. I don’t think he’d tke a large pay cut for the hopes of endorsement deals. This just, seems to be what the market was for him. Unfortunately for him, there was a lot of closers out there, he’s not truely an elite closer, and the economy is down. Bad timing.

by Grinder in Training on Dec 11, 2008 12:10 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's the Hispanic Jenks,

in that he had a great saves year nd closed a lot of easy saves. But a year or tow ago he was one of the most feared closers in the game. He’s lost some steam off his heater (sound familiar) but still seems to be getting the job done.

I’d say he’s still one of the better closers in the game. How much is Mo getting/year? $15MM? He’sthe gold standard, same market.

i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.

by winningugly on Dec 11, 2008 12:14 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No it doesn't sound familiar at all.

Bobby hit 100mph this past year!!!!!! C’MON WU GET WITH IT! I don’t believe he is TRYING to throw 100 anymore. It is not that he can’t, it is that he has taken a different approach.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 11, 2008 2:06 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

maybe

but from what i’ve seen from cost of living adjustments, you don’t want to take less money AND live in new york.

plus endorsements and such usually go to the glitz and glam guys.

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Dec 11, 2008 12:10 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Way to steal my thunder

and put exaclty what I said in a more concise quote.

by Grinder in Training on Dec 11, 2008 12:11 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

associate editor powerz ftw

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Dec 11, 2008 12:13 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

so southern california isn't a big market?

oh, it is so ON!

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Dec 11, 2008 12:22 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

EAT IT, WEST COAST!!!

i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.

by winningugly on Dec 11, 2008 12:31 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Dec 11, 2008 12:36 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

excellent rebuttal.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Dec 11, 2008 12:42 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

exactly

so many teams? That is exactly why teams are willing to let good closers go. I know every year there is a team or two who crash and burn on the national stage but overall its not that hard.

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."

by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by Tdogg on Dec 11, 2008 12:10 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I am all for trading Bobby for the right price

But i would agree with most of WTGTD has said..

I hate the whole Devin Hester Arguement. That you had a good return man and you tried to make him more…

My parallel would be Thorton. You have a good solid lefty in the pen, he doesn’t seem to be itching to close…

Don’t ruin what you have…

I am going to ask you one time, and i'm gonna ask you nice. Where the fuck is Ringo bitch.

by ElDiablo on Dec 11, 2008 5:19 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

agree with u-god

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Dec 11, 2008 9:49 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Great post Cheat

Detroit is quietly improving themselves and pretty significantly. I dare say I am a tad worried but I know the Sox are not done yet.

If the haul is right I don’t have an issue trading Jenks. The Sox have depth there (sorry WTGD) and also have candidates in the minor to make the bullpen even stronger.

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."

by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by Tdogg on Dec 11, 2008 7:57 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Tigers are

just making these moves so they can try and compete with us.

…and everyone laughed at Kenny.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Dec 11, 2008 9:52 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Detroit still has no rotation.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 11, 2008 10:54 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not really worried about D Town

More so the Indians or the Twins, but I still don’t see them able to beat us.

However, as many often say, it is baseball. We can crunch all the wonders we want but we can’t change that.

by 815Sox on Dec 11, 2008 1:10 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hell froze over...

No linky-love here, but Crouch in the Sun-Times actually praised Kenny’s “plan” (dumping salary, getting younger) today. While premature since we don’t know what else he’ll do, I can’t remember the last non rip-job in that paper. Unless it was a Conway Twitty Cowley Twitter.

""I’m for the dreamers. The only really important things in history have been started by the dreamers. They never know what can’t be done.""
Bill Veeck

by Chiburb on Dec 11, 2008 8:20 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I have

Always had a feeling that Poreda would be our closer of the future.

by JoeCoolMan24 on Dec 11, 2008 8:46 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The White Sox have the inside track on free agent outfielder Bobby Abreu, according to the New York Daily News.

i wouldnt mind seeing him in left……

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Dec 11, 2008 9:02 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd take Bobby. If we get him, bye, bye Dye in a heartbeat.

Can’t believe they’d keep both.

i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.

by winningugly on Dec 11, 2008 9:04 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

while still being old and crusty

he can still swipe an occasional bag here and there… wonder what he’d cost/years. 3/30?

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Dec 11, 2008 9:06 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and we dont have any major league ready corner OF's to replace JD

in the minors right now

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Dec 11, 2008 9:07 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good estimate, though I wonder if he'd go for a 1-year shot.

Probably not.

i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.

by winningugly on Dec 11, 2008 9:08 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it'll be interesting to see

some guys may only want to go one year in hopes of the market/economy being better next year and hitting FA again.

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Dec 11, 2008 9:10 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That would be there mistake IMO

Maybe its just because I am living in a city that has been in a freefall decline for 10+ years but it doesn’t seem like its going to get better for awhile

by 815Sox on Dec 11, 2008 1:11 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

WU says the second half of 2009. larry says not until 2010.

we report, you decide. but you’re a dumbfuck if you agree with WU on anything.

by larry on Dec 11, 2008 1:12 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LOL!

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Dec 13, 2008 10:04 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes - my guiding philosophy in life is that larry is infallible.

i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.

by winningugly on Dec 14, 2008 6:28 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LOL again!

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Dec 14, 2008 7:12 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

heheheheheheheeehehehehe.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Dec 15, 2008 11:39 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The career obp of .400

.370 the last 2 would also be very very nice.

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."

by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by Tdogg on Dec 11, 2008 9:14 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

id enjoy it

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Dec 11, 2008 9:20 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Doubt it..

Probably more like 2 / 20. If K Rod only gets 3 years / 37 mil, I think he’s looking at a two year deal.

by Grinder in Training on Dec 11, 2008 10:19 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is not good news for WTGTD

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Dec 11, 2008 9:53 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and...your point?

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Dec 11, 2008 10:03 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it is total BS speculation based on

what ifs?

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 11, 2008 10:56 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tick, tick, tick...

i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.

by winningugly on Dec 11, 2008 10:57 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It is like when I am lying in bed

looking at the alarm, and there is less than one minute before the Black Eyed Peas begin to blare in my ear as the alarm goes off.

Black Eyed Peas are the only thing that currently get me to get up and shut the d*mn thing off.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Dec 11, 2008 11:05 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They should be on the "Music Terror List", then?

i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.

by winningugly on Dec 11, 2008 11:06 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If there is such a list, yes.

I have a CD that plays the same song everymorning. “Lets get it started”….UGH!

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Dec 11, 2008 11:15 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There is - I referenced the list earlier this week.

“Shoot to Thrill”, “Bodies”, some TIN, some Sesame Street/Barney songs. Look at the bottom of the music fanpost.

i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.

by winningugly on Dec 11, 2008 11:19 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

we all could learn from this.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Dec 11, 2008 11:26 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You need some more Creedance, man.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Dec 11, 2008 11:16 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They are on goddamn tour again.

So much for “Hell Freezes Over”.

i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.

by winningugly on Dec 11, 2008 11:21 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

holla fo' tha dolla.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Dec 11, 2008 11:26 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Though he's getting old,

I still like this guy. High obp, decent ops, and he is still fast. 22 sb last year. Is his defense really that bad? He won a gold glove in 2005. He’s still got speed. Shouldn’t he be better than Dye?

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by Raf on Dec 11, 2008 10:21 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

CS

he did get thrown out 11 times out of his 33 attempts…..

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Dec 11, 2008 10:23 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He still can tutor Che.

i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.

by winningugly on Dec 11, 2008 10:25 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

che needs no tutoring!

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Dec 13, 2008 10:08 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes, his defense is that bad. Worse than Dye's.

And I don’t know you are upgrading the offense either.

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 3:01 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

does he play center? NO.

He would only be an option if Dye is traded, which doesn’t look like it’s going to happen. I wonder where these people dream this stuff up? Do they eat mushrooms, and decide to write a column?

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 11, 2008 10:56 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How much is that Uribe in the window?

by thecip on Dec 11, 2008 9:14 AM CST reply reply actions actions   1 recs

closers

so with basically fuentes left…who are looking for closers?
StL, MIL, DET, TB(unless they like wheeler), SD(although i think bell will take over), TEX

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Dec 11, 2008 9:24 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

TB still has a nice pen - Howell is pretty good, too -

but they could still use someone closing who isn’t almost as old as me, and more brittle.

i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.

by winningugly on Dec 11, 2008 9:26 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i guess theyd prob give balfour a shot as well

even though he only has a fastball.

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Dec 11, 2008 9:29 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I've said before that he's a little volatile - not sure about the closer role

being his best utilization. (Helluva pitch, though.)

i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.

by winningugly on Dec 11, 2008 9:36 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

can anyone say Thornton?

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 11, 2008 10:57 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yep,

You can take SD, TB off that list and DET is not an option either.

by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 3:02 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I love Jermaine.

Consummate professional, just really solid. But if we can improve the team short term and long term (MOST IMPORTANT), we have to pull the trigger.

Economics are obviously huge (and IMO will be even more so moving forward) If we have to send $2 or $3 million along in the deal, I say do it. Don’t do this makeover half assed.

"I am not going out like SSH. "
by WTGTD, 12/3/08

by ballyb on Dec 11, 2008 9:26 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Like the bailouts?

Depending on the deal I’d be up for sending more than $3MM.

i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.

by winningugly on Dec 11, 2008 9:27 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

apparently

the reds still like throwing money at crappy vets ala livan hernandez and razor ramon hernandez… so id say reds prob wont happen.

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Dec 11, 2008 9:27 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cameron/Cabrera trade? Where's OUR CF?

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3761924

i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.

by winningugly on Dec 11, 2008 9:39 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ask WTGTD

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Dec 11, 2008 9:44 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ask Ozzie

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 11, 2008 10:59 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

read the link dump

then you’ll see our cf

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Dec 11, 2008 9:51 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'll take the Brewers with this one.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Dec 11, 2008 9:55 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hmm...

seems like a pretty weak haul for Cameron (I don’t think much of the Melkman — looks no better than a decent 4th OFer). Cameron still strikes me as a very, very useful player — can still handle CF, good baserunner and an average-or-better hitter. I’d also guess that he’ll age pretty well, seeing how athletic he is. Heck, he’s probably more valuable than Dye, although perception might not be that way…

which makes me a bit more disappointed that the Bailey/Dye deal didn’t go through. Even with Bailey’s issues, I thought that (plus the freed up cash) would’ve been an absolutely fantastic deal for the Sox.

by CWSKeith on Dec 11, 2008 9:55 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

especially

when the market is flooded with the same types (aging, poor fielding, corner outfielders)

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Dec 11, 2008 10:01 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

fukudome.

go get ’em, KW.

a-rod is a traitor.

by larry on Dec 11, 2008 9:56 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

u like for real?

U expect a much better 2nd year?

"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."

by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."

by Tdogg on Dec 11, 2008 10:14 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think larry might be funnin', but you never know.

i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.

by winningugly on Dec 11, 2008 10:17 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i'd take a similar year from a good defensive CF any day of the week.

i may even do the deal even if the cubs didn’t throw in money.

by larry on Dec 11, 2008 10:21 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What's he making - $10MM+/year for another 3 years?

That seems to be a lot for a guy who hit what he hit after the ASB and doesn’t want to play CF.

i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.

by winningugly on Dec 11, 2008 10:23 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would concur with that statement

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Dec 11, 2008 10:24 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hmmm. i wonder why he hit what he hit after the ASB.

could it be BABIP? i know, i know. that’s never the answer.

he’s not as good as his numbers in the first few months. and he’s not as bad as he was in the last few months. his season line seems pretty representative of what he can do.

by larry on Dec 11, 2008 10:25 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe, but he also looked quite overmached the last month every time I saw him.

Plus, he doesn’t want to play CF. And he seems to be more of a NL player, IMO.

i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.

by winningugly on Dec 11, 2008 10:27 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Based on...?

i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.

by winningugly on Dec 11, 2008 10:29 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

what do you base his i don't want to play CF on?

marketing schtick. he’s going to be playing CF for the cubs next year if he’s still on their team. after last year, one doesn’t get to make demands.

by larry on Dec 11, 2008 10:31 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He might just do the honorable thing

and fall on his sword, so this might all be moot.

i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.

by winningugly on Dec 11, 2008 10:32 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i'm starting to think "overmatched" isn't a good predictor

i was seeing the same thing in ’07 with JD and then all of a sudden he started catching up with fastballs again. that could just be what BABIP variance comes down to sometimes.

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Dec 11, 2008 11:29 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He also looked like Paulie/Eeyore,

so maybe it was a confidence thing. Swish had the same look the 2nd half. Bad luck, experienced long enough, wears at you.

i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.

by winningugly on Dec 11, 2008 11:47 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it's a lot easier for things to fall apart than to get better.

en-tro-py! en-tro-py!

Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.

by colintj on Dec 11, 2008 11:57 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would be all for it

if it wasn’t for that contract. He could end up being a major bust and we are stuck with it for 3-years.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Dec 11, 2008 10:27 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

if he hits what he hit last year and plays the defense in CF one would expect a guy who put up the numbers he did in RF

not to mention his history in japan in CF, that contract looks about right. might be worried about the third year because of age but i’d take the gamble. he sure looks like an ultimate sell-low for the cubs and would require a change of scenery, even if only eight miles of it.

by larry on Dec 11, 2008 10:30 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There was some sppeculation that he "hit the wall"

re: length of season. Maybe the pitchers figured him out. Maybe it was BABIP. Either way, I’d want some cash with the deal.

i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.

by winningugly on Dec 11, 2008 10:31 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

also heard

he was afraid of the ball… hahahahaha

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Dec 11, 2008 10:32 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

while there were a whole lot of anecdotes about how he was being pitched.

his pitch fx didn’t really show anything different between the first and second half.

by larry on Dec 11, 2008 10:33 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I will have to look at that. Thanks.

i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.

by winningugly on Dec 11, 2008 10:35 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and looking on the hardball times just now.

apparently someone in their fantasy section did just this analysis.

by larry on Dec 11, 2008 10:38 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If the numbers average out from last year

sure….I like the deal. But, there is still too much unknown and I don’t like the contract.

Comparing stats from Japan to here aren’t always scientific. There is different competition, more adjustments that need to be made, possibility of home sickness, new country, longer season, different weather, etc.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Dec 11, 2008 10:33 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

grow some fucking balls, bobby.

too much unknown. christ. welcome to life.

by larry on Dec 11, 2008 10:38 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

leave my balls out of this!

I tend to limit my risk when it comes to my wallet.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Dec 11, 2008 10:41 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Who the hell is Robert Mazer?

Can he play CF?

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Dec 11, 2008 10:50 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Board of Directors member.

Someone with some actual skin in the game.

i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.

by winningugly on Dec 11, 2008 10:51 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What Board?

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Dec 11, 2008 11:06 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sox'.

i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.

by winningugly on Dec 11, 2008 11:07 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No Fuku please

That dude is going to be one major bust. Let the Subs keep him

by 815Sox on Dec 11, 2008 1:14 PM CST to parent up reply reply