White Sox have "inside track" on Abreu
Bobby Abreu and his agents haven't heard from the Yankees since the season ended, but the free-agent outfielder is garnering interest from several teams. The White Sox seem to have the inside track, according to a source familiar with the situation, but Chicago would have to trade Jermaine Dye before signing Abreu.
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Bobby also met with the Rays today
According to a headline of an article I cannot currently read because my work has a damn internet filter
Why? Didn't the Rays just get Joyce?
""I’m for the dreamers. The only really important things in history have been started by the dreamers. They never know what can’t be done.""
Bill Veeck
No idea
Seems like the Rays are meeting with everyone though. It would probably help to have a fanbase first.
Supposedly the Cubs also have interest in Abreu
Cubs=Dye
""I’m for the dreamers. The only really important things in history have been started by the dreamers. They never know what can’t be done.""
Bill Veeck
what do they have to offer in return?
whatever it is… No thanks!
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 12, 2008 8:21 AM CST up reply actions
If I'm Abreu, I go to Chicago, I don't care how good the Rays are.
Quality of life (though no state tax here). I’d have to think we’d offer more jack, too.
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
You can never go home, larry. You know that.
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
not as good as amish land.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 11, 2008 1:44 PM CST up reply actions
BSS is fixated. He loves wooden shoes.
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
Wooden shoes and Pirates
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 11, 2008 1:49 PM CST up reply actions
SSS meetup in Amsterdam, then?
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Dec 11, 2008 1:49 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think WU
will be allowed to leave the country due to the news about Caylee today. Which was broken by larry – who has google radioed into his brain 24/7.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 11, 2008 1:51 PM CST up reply actions
It hasn't been confirmed that it's her though! Just a bag of bones found a quarter mile from the Anthony residence....
but there is still a chance for WU!
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Dec 11, 2008 2:11 PM CST up reply actions
Hey, it only takes 2 people to have a meeting.
You had 3. An unqualified success.
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
Proximity counts.
You were within insult distance.
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
yes i failed
next year will be different though
takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm
Sheeeeet. I'm planning my summer Chicago trip around this crap....so you effers better not leave me alone with larry.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Dec 11, 2008 2:16 PM CST up reply actions
Yes, but I plan to sit right next to you, so I can high-five them skinny arms a lot!
(and annoy the crap outta you).
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Dec 11, 2008 2:20 PM CST up reply actions
i produce entourage....say hi to your motha for me
takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm
I got sharp elbows.
And boobs.
I’ll do what I can.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Dec 11, 2008 2:23 PM CST up reply actions
and you are self proclaimed
“strikingly beautiful” :P
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 11, 2008 2:26 PM CST up reply actions
so I've been told.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Dec 11, 2008 2:27 PM CST up reply actions
my mistake...
just sayin, you could maybe use that to your advantage.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 11, 2008 2:27 PM CST up reply actions
i'm married. women are strictly off limits.
and my entourage consists of ninja eunuchs.
willy taveras free?
I need some of them ninja's
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 11, 2008 2:31 PM CST up reply actions
you bastard.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 11, 2008 2:36 PM CST up reply actions
I am not married yet,
but I know what you mean.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 11, 2008 5:37 PM CST up reply actions
You should talk.
That piano video showed your swizzle-sticks, too.
:)
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
This is true. I have long skinny arms as well. But I still believe my muscle mass is greater than lar's.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Dec 11, 2008 2:25 PM CST up reply actions
furbs will be there...dont worry
takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm
Yeah, but will you turn around?
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
i'll do a touchdown turnaround
takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm
not to my knowledge...
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Dec 11, 2008 2:24 PM CST up reply actions
It's not always a good idea to meet people on the internet
I used to chat up Birds a few years ago who all said they were beautiful with big tits and all that, and when I met up with them, they were all hounds. Only one of em matched my sweet imagination but she stabbed me when I was asleep.
number one when it mattered!
not really planning on having sex with anyone on this board.
but thanks for the advice.
by larry on Dec 11, 2008 2:08 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
really? :(
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Dec 11, 2008 5:53 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Rec'd.
Tht’s some funny stuff.
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
flagged
that is disgusting.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 11, 2008 6:28 PM CST up reply actions
+1
I don't need to look at fancy stats
to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST
by omnipotent grab on Dec 11, 2008 6:29 PM CST up reply actions
larry refused to put out in Tampa,
so I’m 0-1. Gonna give Toonder a try in July in SF.
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
I wouldn't advertise you and Toonder
meeting up in SF in July.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 11, 2008 2:12 PM CST up reply actions
He'll definitely leave WU thunderstruck.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Dec 11, 2008 2:13 PM CST up reply actions
LOL
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 11, 2008 2:20 PM CST up reply actions
Why so?
The wife will be there, too. Running the 1/2 marathon across the Golden Gate bridge. Should be great seeing him throw up in the Bay.
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
Who is this Toonder fellow of which you speak?
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Dec 11, 2008 2:14 PM CST up reply actions
about 6'8, dark skinned brother...
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 11, 2008 2:16 PM CST up reply actions
oh wait...
that’s bobbysouthside’s Mom! My fault.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 11, 2008 2:57 PM CST up reply actions
Fat, Drunk, HIGH, and stupid
is no way to go through life, WTGTD.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 11, 2008 3:07 PM CST up reply actions
do any of you have any creativity?
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 11, 2008 3:12 PM CST up reply actions
is that what you call some of
your posts, creativity?
I would say a majority of them are considered ignorance, fiction and grade school esque.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 11, 2008 3:15 PM CST up reply actions
you mean "creative" when referring to my postings?
very grade schoolish…
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 11, 2008 3:16 PM CST up reply actions
That's why you get a photo before the "date".
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 11, 2008 2:12 PM CST up reply actions
Photoshop has ruined this country.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 11, 2008 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
ROFL
WRECKED!
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 11, 2008 2:20 PM CST up reply actions
stabbed you...
was that the hairbrush up the cornhole or is this a different incident?
-Jeeves Life in the Cell
hoodie
you have some rough luck with the woman…so what happened this time?
-Jeeves Life in the Cell
what????
!!!!!
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 11, 2008 2:28 PM CST up reply actions
remember - that was his knock-out red-head girlfriend who found out about his affair with her friend? (iirc)
But yes, hoodie, you have quite the history with the ladies.
And probably some bristle-filled stool samples to prove it.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Dec 11, 2008 2:49 PM CST up reply actions
leftover dingleberries that he picked from his teeth?
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 11, 2008 2:59 PM CST up reply actions
I would have went...
If I was able to walk at the time…
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 11, 2008 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
Kenwo
I will make you eat dog sh*t off of the bottom of my shoe. Then knock your ass out…
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 12, 2008 8:23 AM CST up reply actions
please.
you will be like “hey man how are you” and sit down and not say another thing all night.
Kenwo4life=ratings
and the dykes
""I’m for the dreamers. The only really important things in history have been started by the dreamers. They never know what can’t be done.""
Bill Veeck
hmm.
well, just add that to the long list of fixations he has. since i don’t really associate the amish with pennsylvania like some people here apparently do, i tried to figure out why. there are apparently 45,000 of them in the state. a state which has about 13 million people. still can’t figure it out.
45k amish is a lot of wooden shoes larry.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 11, 2008 1:53 PM CST up reply actions
fairly certain the amish do not wear wooden shoes, either, bobby.
might want to look into your fetish a bit more.
yeah, some people
on this board have confused the amish with those pot heads from amsterdam.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 11, 2008 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
Are you saying the Dutch do not comprise
a great portion of Amish? German/Dutch heritage is quite representative of the ancestory. (Why do they call it “Pennsylvania Dutch”, fer Chrissakes?)
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
Deutschland uber alles!!!
""I’m for the dreamers. The only really important things in history have been started by the dreamers. They never know what can’t be done.""
Bill Veeck
No, I do not acknowledge the split from the Mennonites.
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
Amish discussions
always seem to end on a bad note.
Not sure why.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 11, 2008 2:10 PM CST up reply actions
larry is the bastion of tolerance on this site,
and he hates when people stereotype incorrectly, or even joke about it.
Bring the accurate stereotypes and you get a seat at the Table. Otherwise, GTFO.
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
No
But if I went down to Rockhome Gardens/Arcola, IL – I would bet there wouldn’t be any Amish walking around in wooden shoes.
I have been there on a few occasions for the wooden crafts, and some of the women are not that bad looking. I think some of them actually were flirting with me in an Amish way. They need some makeup though.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 11, 2008 2:09 PM CST up reply actions
Very bushy, I bet.
No “grooming”, if you catch my drift.
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
Not when they turn 16!!!
They can shave pussies, listen to R&R, do drugs, and they get 2 years to decide if they want to then be baptized. Sweet, heh?
Called “Rumspringa”
""I’m for the dreamers. The only really important things in history have been started by the dreamers. They never know what can’t be done.""
Bill Veeck
Wow...we might have a lead
in the Caylee case.
WU, you might be off the hook.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 11, 2008 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
Isn't Methusela the one who accused WU?
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Dec 11, 2008 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
You are NOT FOS.
I did not know that. Rumspringa, eh…?
Where is that flight schedule to Lancaster?
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
work...language please.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 11, 2008 3:06 PM CST up reply actions
Could be
I never got that far. larry probably has some insight into this from his recent trip.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 11, 2008 2:14 PM CST up reply actions
larry is,if anything, discreet.
Tighter than a 12 year-old.
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
built like one too?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 11, 2008 2:23 PM CST up reply actions
what happened to work language?
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 11, 2008 2:29 PM CST up reply actions
What? No cursing here.
I was referring to scotch.
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
BAM!
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 11, 2008 2:31 PM CST up reply actions
at least 90,000.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Dec 11, 2008 2:13 PM CST up reply actions
What about the war veterans?
Oh…
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
I am not totally off base here
Amish Population by State (2008)
Ranked by size
Amish Population (2008)
State/Province | Settlements | Church Districts | Est. Population
Ohio 52 412 55,620
Pennsylvania 53 382 51,570
Indiana 21 286 38,610
Wisconsin 50 115 15,525
Michigan 34 78 10,530
New York 29 75 10,125
Missouri 35 74 9,990
Kentucky 32 63 8,505
Illinois 18 49 6,615
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 11, 2008 1:55 PM CST up reply actions
oh. sorry. the estimate is 50,000.
well. now i can certainly see how you’d associate the state with them considering the high percentage of the population which is amish.
Marvin Hamish?
Loved the “Sting” soundtrack.
""I’m for the dreamers. The only really important things in history have been started by the dreamers. They never know what can’t be done.""
Bill Veeck
Ba-da-BUMP.
I got it. No one else did.
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
ah, the way we were...
""I’m for the dreamers. The only really important things in history have been started by the dreamers. They never know what can’t be done.""
Bill Veeck
there is a group of amish people that sell their home-grown products in my building (next to the CBOT) every week.
it’s really quite odd. picture the mass of humanity that’s up and down jackson avenue during the work week, and then step into your building and see randy quaid from kingpin (and family) peddling butter and other stuff. it must feel weird for them, too.
Cashing checks and having sex.
They prefer "plain people".
Like midgets prefer “little people”.
Fuck ’em. Assimilate.
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
Because the Amish don't live too many other places.
Lots of other Mennonites, too, in PA.
And don’t forget “Witness”.
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
Hey, I almost became Amish after that movie.
A roof-raising looks exciting.
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
Stale news, but we needed a new thread
Indeed! Not even on my phone, but slow loading once over 400 or so.
Say, did you hear the Sox packaged Dye/Jenks for Fuckudome/Ramirez?
""I’m for the dreamers. The only really important things in history have been started by the dreamers. They never know what can’t be done.""
Bill Veeck
heard it was fontenot
we need more 2B types.
12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez
caucasian 2B types
12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez
I thought we'd get Punto
and corner the market. But we failed.
(I still can’t believe Punto is a millionaire.)
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 11, 2008 1:36 PM CST up reply actions
but not the cowardly French types
""I’m for the dreamers. The only really important things in history have been started by the dreamers. They never know what can’t be done.""
Bill Veeck
(hoodie stirs from his chemically-induced addled slumber)
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
No French
Apparently no Italians either.
But we have cornered second baseman that have names ending in X and Z.
Plus, enough Cubans to fill a Toyota Prius.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 11, 2008 1:40 PM CST up reply actions
but not a '57 Chevy
""I’m for the dreamers. The only really important things in history have been started by the dreamers. They never know what can’t be done.""
Bill Veeck
HAAA
did you check your racial comment for accuracy?
I mean seriously – why would a Cuban be in a Prius?
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Dec 11, 2008 2:18 PM CST up reply actions
I was trying to promote "Green" you prejudice SOB!
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 11, 2008 2:24 PM CST up reply actions
Just trying to make sure you had your facts straight before larry unleashed....
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Dec 11, 2008 2:26 PM CST up reply actions
his stats are as good as Field
that’s the sad thing.
by larry on Dec 11, 2008 1:42 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
larry 1, Einsteins, bagel.
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
Twins resign Punto
The Twins have resigned infielder Nick Punto to a two-year, $ 8 million contract that includes a club option for the 2011 season, the team announced today.
http://hotstove.mlblogs.com/archives/2008/12/twins_resign_punto.html
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
Last thread, Wiz. All over it.
Come join us. We’re talking Amish.
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
thinks he's colin
waking up after noon and all…
""I’m for the dreamers. The only really important things in history have been started by the dreamers. They never know what can’t be done.""
Bill Veeck
I haven't read that juggernaut yet!
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
It is a beast. You remember game threads, right? Ahhhhhhh the days of game threads.....
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Dec 11, 2008 2:43 PM CST up reply actions
Punto cannot be bound by contract.
Concepts like “property”, “law” and “rights” are entirely foreign to him. Saying you signed a contract with Punto is tantamount to saying you just signed a contract with an iguana. Or a jar of mayonaise.
by The Actual El Guapo on Dec 11, 2008 4:25 PM CST up reply actions
The most "?????"
man in baseball.
"I am not going out like SSH. "
by WTGTD, 12/3/08
Sorry, this is...?
I see at the bottom here it said “Associate Editor”. It was my understanding the associate editors actually contribute to the discourse on this site. Your particular nom de plume escapes me.
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
Kenny on the nyy
Williams certainly wasn’t surprised that the Yankees came up with this sort of mammoth offer for Sabathia, who has allowed 141 hits over 165 career innings against the White Sox, while fanning 162. Williams also realizes the big man’s addition doesn’t guarantee a World Series title.
“Believe me, I respect the Yankees and the tradition of the Yankees and what they’ve done for years,” Williams said. "Growing up, I watched how they operated, and it’s exciting. The Yankees create excitement for the game and I think it’s good for the game.
“However, it’s not a recipe for success. There are no recipes for success in this game, and no manuals to get you to a championship. They do what they have to do, and we do what we have to do.”
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
HEADLESS URIBE FOUND IN TOPLESS BAR
also:
KENNY TO NYC: DROP DEAD!
How much is that Uribe in the window?
more kenny
“Obviously, the plan was to fortify our minor-league system,” he said. “We’re well on our way in the last two years with the drafts that Doug Laumann and his crew have put together. We just added nine guys to our system, whether it be trades or (Dayan) Viciedo. We just added nine guys, nine plus-type, high-ceiling type guys. Part of the plan with that is the extra two picks we’re getting next year for (Orlando) Cabrera’s free agency. That was a necessity that had to be done.”
http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=257361
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
Dye vs Abreu
Why would anyone give up anything for Dye when they could sign Abreu? The Yankees didn’t offer arbitration, so there are no draft picks to lose. I’m assuming the answer is money – that Abreu will demand more cash over a longer period than Dye so you’re better off with Dye. But, is there really a big market for Abreu? He’s not going to get anything like the $16mm he earned in 2008.
I like Dye alot, but without looking closely at the projections and stuff, I’d rather have Abreu than JD going forward. They are the same age but Abreau has been more durable and his better eye and wheels suggests he can remain a useful player after JD has been reduced to a one-dimensional slugger whose only skill is hitting mistakes to the warning track.
It all seems unlikely to me, but if Kenny can turn Dye into anything and replace him with Abreu for three years or less, that’s a good move.
Years
Abreu is probably looking for a 3-year deal… Dye is controlled (for sure) for only one more year.
When talking about older, poor defensive corner outfielders, those extra years are a burden that most teams don’t want to take on
AIM: SouthSideCheat
Three is the magic number?
Three years for Abreu seems right on the line to me. Again, I haven’t looked at any projections but I kind of expect JD to fall of soon. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if he’s league average in 2009 and a scar after that. I don’t feel that way about Abreu. It would really surprise me if he weren’t good in 09 and I’d certainly take my chances on 2010. But 2011? That’s where the rubber meets the road. He’s a fairly unique player so the historic comparables don’t really help much.
What’s your gut? Would you give him three years?
because i don't think he'll be worth the amount of money he would be paid for such a contract.
let alone a three year one.
willy taveras free?
Ok, I'll bite
Assuming that Kenny trades Dye (for the purpose of this discussion the return doesn’t really matter) what do you think Abreu would be worth for 2009?
$10M on a team like the sox.
the man is begging to be made a DH. he’s a fucking butcher out there.
willy taveras free?
What do you think he will be paid?
by Grinder in Training on Dec 11, 2008 3:59 PM CST up reply actions
He had 10 assists - JD had 5.
So he’s twice as good? Wait, he had 2 errors and JD only had one (ONE????). Never mind.
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
by winningugly on Dec 12, 2008 10:05 AM CST up reply actions
Right now, I think the Sox have two options
1. Trade Dye — bring in a young starter better than [Starter Candidate 5] which shouldn’t be hard. Fill the Hole through free agency. Keep contract front-loaded and/or demand there be zero no-trade clause after the first season.
2. Keep Dye — Sign free agent starter better than [Starter Candidate 5] off the scrap heap. This could be a Pedro/Randy Johnson type guy, or even a couple of our old retreads Freddy/Garland. Same rules apply, zero no-trade clause after first year, and heck, try to make it a 1-year deal.
From the sounds of the Sox financial situation, option 2 might require the Sox to move another high-salary player. Since Buehrle/Pierzynski don’t make sense, and since Thome/Kong have NTCs as well as little trade value, Jenks and his soon to be $5+M seems to be the logical option. The return for Jenks could be significant, and allow the Sox to fill multiple areas of need.
AIM: SouthSideCheat
i'd send poreda to the 'stros for him.
but beckham is untouchable in such a deal.
willy taveras free?
I'm starting to think now is the opportune time to deal Jenks...
I say “starting” because I haven’t really thought a whole lot about it, but I keep thinking about the expression “better to deal someone a year early than a year late.” If you wait till next winter you’re only looking at two more (right?) of Jenks at what will be a more hefty price-tag. I wonder what KW is looking for in terms of value back - two Flowers type (not in that they’re catchers, but B/B prospects)?
So you think either but not both Bobby and JD will be gone?
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
yes
but I’d say right now there’s only slightly better than 50/50 chance of one of them getting dealt
AIM: SouthSideCheat
so that's back to $100M payroll
and probably means Anderson/Owens/Free Talent in CF or [Candidate 5], right?
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
I think unless something unexpected happens,
a Owens/Anderson platoon is very much in play for 2009 and I don’t think Kenny would mind. I think he would rather upgrade elsewhere, if possible.
stop with this
Manchurian Candidate stuff… You sound like an idiot.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 12, 2008 8:29 AM CST up reply actions
Logically, I think the Sox need to trade Dye and Jenks
The Sox are looking at question marks at 2 SP spots and 3B, 2B, CF. They have no money for FAs and the minor leagues don’t have any depth to trade from. They are not realistically going to contend this season.
With Dye on a one year deal, they need to move him for a high-level prospect if they want to be good soon. But trading Dye for pushes the Sox farther from contending this season. It opens a hole in RF and the rotation is still lousy on the backend. So, moving Jenks if you can get something like Rasmus makes sense.
After those 2, the only movable contracts are Buehrle (whom I can’t bring myslef to think they should move) and maybe Dotel. They might not get anything back for Octavio, but someone will probably take the money off the Sox hands. Maybe.
by hitlesswonder on Dec 11, 2008 5:15 PM CST up reply actions
it sounds like there is some money for FAs
the reports about KW and a starting pitcher said they wanted it regardless
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
Since you state . . .
“So, moving Jenks if you can get something like Rasmus makes sense.” Then I am guessing moving Jenks makes no sense to you?
Maybe should call the Rays and get David Price, that would totally be a better deal.
Aiming too high? I don't know...
Rasmus didn’t set the world on fire at AAA in the PCL. Maybe the Cards think he’s a lot more of a surefire all-star than I do, but I don’t see offering Jenks for Rasmus or Jenks+Sox prospect for Rasmus as ridiculous.
by hitlesswonder on Dec 11, 2008 7:11 PM CST up reply actions
Well, it is aiming too high
6 years of control of one the top CF prospects in the game (who is either MLB ready now or will be sometime during 2009 for the expensive arb years of Jenks. I would love it if they could pull of that heist, just not even close to realistic in thinking it is a possibility.
I suppose so
I blame my misjudgement on the NY media and their proposed Jenks trade packages that included F. Martinez. Plus, Rasmus really didn’t hit well last season. But on reflection I think you’re right.
by hitlesswonder on Dec 11, 2008 9:15 PM CST up reply actions
But i think that the cardinals have to move someone
They kinda have a glut in the outfield….
Ankiel, Ryan Lud, Rasmus, schumaker, mather, jon jay…. they seem to have a lot of guys who can play centerfield… are in their early mid or late 20’s ….
scroll down to outfielders …..
http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/STL/2008_orgbat.shtml
They seem like a good trading partner….
I am going to ask you one time, and i'm gonna ask you nice. Where the fuck is Ringo bitch.
The Fernando Martinez
rumors included Dye and Jenks . . . no idea what else was involved, but I don’t think those talks ever got far.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
LOL!
rec’d for cheat burn!
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 12, 2008 8:52 AM CST up reply actions
I find it amusing that all the people that
have bitched about Dye’s defense, or lack thereof, are now in support of signing a longer deal for a guy worse defensively who brings nothing additional to the plate. Amuses me greatly. Where is all the ‘we don’t need anymore DH types’ talk?
Not necessarily pointing at you landfill, but the consensus from the previous thread = Abreu > Dye.
Well I cant speak for anyone else
But for me its simple.
A) He would play LF
B) The money wouldnt be extreme
C) We would acquire another, better SP with upside
D) In his small sample he rakes here.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
Yeah my thoughts are the same regarding position
Abreu in LF > Dye in RF
I don't need to look at fancy stats
to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST
by omnipotent grab on Dec 11, 2008 5:16 PM CST up reply actions
Dunn is not a motivated guy. Doesn't like baseball.
Cricket is his thing, I hear.
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
You know he would play RF
Ozzie would put him in RF. Just like he kept Dye there despite all logic.
by hitlesswonder on Dec 11, 2008 5:17 PM CST up reply actions
No
Kenny already said they would move Q to RF
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
If they signed Abreu?
I know Kenny talked about moving Q, but I think if Abreu signs Ozzie will play him in RF rather than rock the boat.
This is like how signing Erstad would have been OK if he was platooned properly. That’s true, but Ozzie has given no indication that he would manage that way. I’d be shocked if the sox signed Abreu and moved him to LF. Just my opinion….
by hitlesswonder on Dec 11, 2008 5:25 PM CST up reply actions
Why?
He already said he thought Q was a better RF than LF. Abreu would have no elder status here.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
Put me in the anti-abreu camp unless
it’s a very short, very cheap contract. He may be the worst OF in the AL. He was -24 by fielding bible, -25 by UZR, -12 by PMR (worse than Dye in every system). Very bad defensive players are almost always overvalued. If you can get him for 1 yr. and 8 mill (or 2/16 and switch him to DH in a year) then OK. O/w Pass.
larrys fortune cookie: you will learn much and have the advantage of not reading my pompous responses.
I should add that is my opinion within this scope
If we keep Dye and sign a SP I can live with that also.
And of course I would love to have a “better” FA signing but both ways makes the team better next year.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
Didn't read this until after I posted . . .
but, if they can sign Abreu and then sign a SP, then they jcan ust keep Dye and do the same. It would be an off the scrap heap, incentive laden deal . . . which I would fully support.
And I think people need to calm their expectations that Dye (via trade) is going to bring major league ready pitching that will provide a significant upgrade to what we see today.
A pitcher almost ready with significant upside
and cost control is fine by me. And regardless of what you think those types of deals do get done.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
They usually don't
happen for aging corner OF who are making $12/yr. I am just saying it isn’t likely. Sure, bad deals happen all the time, I just would go ahead expecting one.
I think people will be disappointed in what Dye brings back
He alone isn’t enough to get Homer Bailey, who is a pretty risky proposition at this point.
Just my opinion, but no trade of Dye will give you anything close to a league average starting pitcher in 2009 — you are simply not going to get that for 1 year and $11M of a corner bat.
I’m all for trading Dye to get an advanced prospect, but I think trading Dye is a silly path to shore up the rotation in 2009.
by hitlesswonder on Dec 11, 2008 9:21 PM CST up reply actions
i thought...
that dye = bailey, and others if we kick money in….
dye= bailey straight up but, we were waiting to see if we could get more…
I am going to ask you one time, and i'm gonna ask you nice. Where the fuck is Ringo bitch.
My impression
The “others” are window dressing — Reds aren’t going to add a top prospect to the deal for a few $M. Which leads me to believe that Dye doesn’t really bring back Bailey unless the Sox send money to the Reds.
But in any case, even if he does bring back Bailey that’s not a guy that is going to solidify the rotation to compete in 2009. I’ve read enough stuff about Bailey’s loss of velocity and lack of interest in the game (preferring AAA to the bigs? WTF?) that I don’t think he’s the next Volquez.
by hitlesswonder on Dec 11, 2008 9:40 PM CST up reply actions
just speculation
if that deal goes down, then is he an upgrade next year for the rotation over other candidates? Over Candidate #5, probably, but I don’t think he is over others.
The fact that Bailey is an upgrade over Marquez
is a testament to how ridiculous it is to have Marquez as the #5 SP. I guess the Sox scouts saw something, because his minor league numbers just suck. I don’t get it.
by hitlesswonder on Dec 12, 2008 12:01 AM CST up reply actions
Just reread
They only sign Abreu if they trade Dye for SP. That was the whole point of Cheat’s different scenarios.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
There are so many holes in your A,B,C,D . . .
A) I don’t think the difference between an awful RF and an even worse LF makes a significant difference. So, why the change?
B) ???? That doesn’t even make sense. More than likely, Abreu will get similar $/year that Dye makes . . . except for MORE years. I have no idea where you are getting this assumption.
C) See B, baseless argument. Where is the extra $ coming from? Do you think Abreu is going to sign for $2M/year or something. Let say in a make believe world that Abreu signs for $7M/ year . . . that leaves $3M for a SP. How will that provide an upgrade? Oh, and Abreu will sign for more than $7M.
D) Does Javy get to pitch to him in his time here or does the other team have to pitch to him? I tend to think its not the park, but the pitching? Maybe?
I saw your response above so okay
but in response
A) I don’t believe Q would be an awful RF. That would likely add to the difference.
B)I pretty clearly said the money would have to be right earlier. In this market not sure why you think he is going to more money. And with Thome gone after this year, he slides into DH.
C)huh. This is all an assumption. If Kenny doesnt get his SP he doesnt trade Dye. What does money have to do with it?
D) I kind of like you know said small sample size. It was like a joke?
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
He's does make the important point that Abreu will not come cheap
I don’t see any significant cost savings over Dye (maybe $2M at most) for 2009. I don’t see any realistic scenario in which the Sox sign Abreu. They don’t have the money if they need to move Dye.
by hitlesswonder on Dec 11, 2008 7:15 PM CST up reply actions
My reference
to A was regarding the bitching about Dye’s defense in right . . . so, we sign Abreu and have even worse defense in left. Don’t understand that at all.
And he made $16M last year, so I don’t think he will make anywhere near that . . . but thinking he is going to go much below $10M . . . if Nick Punto gets a 2yr $8.5M deal . . . dio you really think that Abreu is going to get much below $10M?
And sorry, missed the joke . . . fair enough on that.
It's Simple
Abreu is a good bet, even if he falls off next year he least puts up a 280/360/400 line.
I can take that with the OBP.
If Dye falls off he could bottom out around 250/300/430, which is offense killing from a corner position.
paying horacio ramirez $1.8M apparently a potentially good idea.
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2008/12/11/689798/this-doesn-t-even-make-sen
“this doesn’t even make sense”.
willy taveras free?
An unhealthy amount . . .
you don’t find it amusing that you used Marcels as your argument for why the Wood signing was a waste and then totally ignore it for Horacio. As I posted yesterday, sometimes a little common sense goes farther than a Marcels projection.
you weren't paying attention then i suppose.
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
me on the use of the marcels wood projection
i was trying to get an approximate median between his IP expected and FIP expected, which realistically are going to be in very high variance (optimally, i’d be expressing these as probability tables). it’s a solid signing and all…but i just don’t like the idea of spending a lot of money on a closer. i haven’t even seen the money yet, so yeah. i don’t have a solid opinion on this yet.
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
Oh, I paid attention just fine. How about . . .
why would you neglect relevant information? Marcel is a good baseline.
it’s a starting place. that’s what i’ve been using it as. i can’t speak for Seidman.
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
by colintj on Dec 10, 2008 6:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So, maybe you are just learning that you can ignore Marcels when common sense makes more sense? Again, take a look at Tim Hudson’s Marcels . . . is thata good starting place? I guess this is just the same argument that larry is getting into ‘over there’ really.
starting place ≠ unhealthy amount of love
you’re criticizing me for either something very small or something that i don’t actually do.
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
damn. looks like i did it again over there.
just got called stupid by the guy who said ramirez was a potentially good signing. my head is spinning.
willy taveras free?
I think STL is a potential trade partner for Jenks.....
I’d love to try and pry Rasmus….but may have to settle for Ankiel, Piniero and a couple prospects….(they’d have to pay some of Piniero’s salary by the way)
Could be
Fuentes and Hoffman are about the only closers left. Not sure we are going to get a huge haul for Jenks like a Rasmus though.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 11, 2008 3:52 PM CST up reply actions
just making sure this got posted...
Ben (Work): Thanks for taking the time for the chat. We all know there have been substantial talks with a couple of teams regarding Jermaine Dye, but is there any information on players like Bobby Jenks, Paul Konerko, and Jim Thome, who are all possibilities to be traded this offseason?
John Perrotto: It appears that the White Sox are going to hang on to Jenks now and there never seemed to be much of a market for Konerko and Thome, who both have no-trade clauses.
from JP’s chat on BP today
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
Im ok
Hanging on to Jenks. Yes, I know closers are over valued. Yes, I know we could get a lot for him. But no matter the numbers you always have a guy or two you want to stay on the team no matter what. I choose Jenks, he is cuddly.
Bloggin'
http://bierjournal.blogspot.com/
Our top 3 SP getting some love over on NYYFans.com
Discussion about who would have a better 1,2,3 than a proposed CC, Wang, Burnett front 3…
“Originally Posted by bxbomber328
If anyone can name me a better 1-2-3 in baseball, I would love to hear it.”
Some guy listed:
"Beckett, Lester, Matz
Lackey, Saunders, Weaver/Santana
Buerle, Danks, Floyd
Kazmir, Garza, Sheilds
Joba is our Wildcard, not Burnett. He has the ability to be an 140+ ERA+ pitcher."
Found it interesting.
nice! our boys getting some due props. Yanks should know - they watched Gavin grow his big hairy balls right before their eyes!
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Dec 11, 2008 4:22 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I had sick free seats behind the plate that game
The Giambi AB w/ ARod and Jeter flying around the bases on foul ball after foul ball was epic
by Crede's Crew on Dec 11, 2008 4:59 PM CST up reply actions
It was like you could hear the hair follicles popping up with every foul ball.
I don't need to look at fancy stats
to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST
by omnipotent grab on Dec 11, 2008 5:19 PM CST up reply actions
i think our three will give you the most innings
all with ERAs under 4
larry has that system down to a science. Especially with the way the economy is….big wigs like larry coming in dressed in their mink coats and 24k gold cigarrete holders with pockets lined with coke make for a large draw during shift changes.
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 9, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hilarity re: the Royals bullpen additions...
That is awesome. I can't wait to play against starter, HoRam.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Dec 11, 2008 4:48 PM CST up reply actions
FYI, for those wth young, male offspring
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/12/royals-close-to.html
Royals Sign Horacio Ramirez – ESPN’s Steve Phillips says it’s a one-year, $1.8MM deal plus incentives.
******
Securely tie said offsprings’ right arms behind their backs and have them throw hardballs with remaining arm against garage wall or other solid surface (for minimum of 4 hours daily).
Meal ticket, baby.
"I am not going out like SSH. "
by WTGTD, 12/3/08
Sorry,
post 1st, read posts later.
He was V,V BAD.
"I am not going out like SSH. "
by WTGTD, 12/3/08
His Sox' career reminded me of the title of a kids' book my niece used to read.
Alexander and the Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Day
"I am not going out like SSH. "
by WTGTD, 12/3/08
Probably not too important, I guess...
But the Rule 5 draft was today.
Sox lose RHP Derek Rodriguez to Seattle in the major-league portion, and outfielder Ricardo Nanita, shortstop Robert Valido, and RHP Jason Rice (who?) in the minor-league part of the draft. They pick up nobody.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Dec 11, 2008 5:49 PM CST reply actions
way way behind
takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm
i actually liked Rice based on his peripherals and mentioned him at least once in the
prospects posts over the summer
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
Quick tally before the game (Semi finals for me this week in Fantasy)
Brees vs Bears or
Warner vs Minn?
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
Chisox, Betemit agree on one-year deal
CHICAGO (AP) — Infielder Wilson Betemit and the Chicago White Sox agreed Thursday to a one-year, $1.3 million contract.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/2008-12-11-1953846963_x.htm
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
FLAGGED
why do you have to remind us?
I don't need to look at fancy stats
to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST
by omnipotent grab on Dec 11, 2008 6:41 PM CST up reply actions
think of the goggles he can buy now
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
I don't need to look at fancy stats
to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST
by omnipotent grab on Dec 11, 2008 6:44 PM CST up reply actions
now he can get prescription goggles
he bought those at the dollar store
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
Very cheap left side of the IF this year.
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
No team takes MacDougal; Sox likely will pay
LAS VEGAS – The fish weren’t biting for the White Sox in Monday’s Rule 5 draft.
Bullpen flop Mike MacDougal, signed to a three-year contract after pitching well down the stretch in 2006, wasn’t claimed. He had been outrighted off the big-league roster on Nov. 14, making him eligible for the draft, but no team wanted to pick up his salary.
That means the White Sox still owe him $3 million, even if he is released or spends all of next season with Triple-A Charlotte. MacDougal, a 2003 All-Star as a rookie closer for Kansas City, made 38 appearances there in 2008 and only 16 at the big leagues. He had a 2.12 ERA in those appearances but walked 10 unintentionally in 17 innings, losing Ozzie Guillen’s confidence.
The Sox may try to deal MacDougal but apparently would have pay the bulk of the money owed him.
http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2008/12/no-team-takes-m.html
any hope macdougal will do something good next year?
iirc, he didn’t look terrible after his callup
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
There's no reason not to let him compete for the backend of the pen
They’re on the hook for the money and not loaded with shutdown relievers. I don’t expect him to do anything much, but there’s a chance he could still be useful. His late season AAA numbers were OK.
by hitlesswonder on Dec 11, 2008 7:43 PM CST up reply actions
agreed
he was good when he was slowing down his motion. He went back to his old habits, though real fast.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 12, 2008 9:45 AM CST up reply actions
when Jones signs after KW cooks up some kind of deal with LA
will you all be unhappy? or will you be happy?
like a bull or a bear? rain or sunshine? Pitcher hitting or Designated hitter? Dreams or reality? Condoms or ‘lets be real lovers’? PEDS or protein powder? Daniel Craig or Mat Damon? Cascade mountains or green Yorkshire hills?
at the least we can try
number one when it mattered!
happy
Bull, rain, DH, dreams, let’s be real lovers, peds, both, Cascade mountains…..
I hope that answers your ?’s
I am going to ask you one time, and i'm gonna ask you nice. Where the fuck is Ringo bitch.
sheeit, except this time of year
even in december
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Dec 11, 2008 8:22 PM CST up reply actions
whereas I'll be surfing in 6 to 7 mm worth of neoprene in the snow this weekend.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Dec 11, 2008 10:36 PM CST up reply actions
a beautiful place to visit...but it ain't home.
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Dec 11, 2008 10:48 PM CST up reply actions
The only place for the KenWo other than Chicago.
I woulda got more done out there in 3 days than the entire Sox brass for god sakes.
Kenwo4life=ratings
from may to october it's like 3 inches from the sun
but otherwise, i think you’re onto something
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Dec 12, 2008 12:55 AM CST up reply actions
i was there for a week in june and i loved it. low 90s and sunny everyday. lay by the pool. duck under the cabana to avoid sunburn. jump in the lazy river to cool off.
and then it’s on to the nightlife.
Cashing checks and having sex.
which week?
i was there 3rd week of june for work and it was mid-to-upper 90’s all week, stayed so at night, and drier than old lady cooz. friggin miserable.
if you just stay in the a/c’d casinos, it’s great.
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Dec 12, 2008 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
That looks a lot nicer than downstate IL
I am too lazy to look up a picture of a frozen corn field…..
you get the picture…..
where is that if you don’t mind me asking
I am going to ask you one time, and i'm gonna ask you nice. Where the fuck is Ringo bitch.
So is that a recommended tourist stop when
i make my way to london
I am going to ask you one time, and i'm gonna ask you nice. Where the fuck is Ringo bitch.
depends on what you are after I guess
if you only have a few days then spend them all in London, if you have longer then visit.
number one when it mattered!
Theres a national park in Peoria?
I don't need to look at fancy stats
to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST
by omnipotent grab on Dec 11, 2008 8:03 PM CST up reply actions
i live by a few...
Starved Rock…. it turning into a little Wisconsin dells
I am going to ask you one time, and i'm gonna ask you nice. Where the fuck is Ringo bitch.
lovely.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Dec 11, 2008 10:34 PM CST up reply actions
look at this - I'm like lightning
LAS VEGAS — The White Sox are expected to tender contracts to Bobby Jenks, Wilson Betemit and DeWayne Wise prior to Friday night’s 11 p.m. CT deadline for all arbitration-eligible players. This trio stands as the only three arbitration-eligible players on the team’s 40-man roster.
number one when it mattered!
I don't think they'll offer a contract to betemit
:p
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
FFS this is what you do
I’ve no idea what any of it means, I think it might be Sox related. I’m trying to help .
number one when it mattered!
I'm not trying to make fun of you patronize you
just a lame joke hoodie, that’s all
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
I'm so happy
that we’ve got the whole Wilson Betemit thing handled… It was really wearing on me.
I am going to ask you one time, and i'm gonna ask you nice. Where the fuck is Ringo bitch.
Sign...
Brad Penny for the 4th slot.Trade JD for minor leaguers.Sign Abreu.
Division title is ours!!!!
John Danks=Man Crush.
I think it will be great if you keep that Handle for another 10 years or so
I am going to ask you one time, and i'm gonna ask you nice. Where the fuck is Ringo bitch.
I might be in the minority
But i want nothing to do with Abreu.
I was in full fledged youth movement and loving it,
Bobby is poor defensively, 35 yr’s old before the season starts.
We already have a left handed hitting DH… we certainly don’t need another..
I know i know he has good stats, high obp lots of doubles….. i’m not saying he isn’t good… he doesn’t do anything for me though….
I know what his ceiling is…. i’d rather take a chance on someone else…
I am going to ask you one time, and i'm gonna ask you nice. Where the fuck is Ringo bitch.
With you! So we're must both be in the minority.
Don't look back because we are going forward!
not really
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Dec 11, 2008 9:03 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think you have to worry -- Abreu is likely to be too $$
if the Sox are at the payroll limit now. I can’t see Abreu signing for less than a ballpark $10M per year for 3 years. The savings over Dye’s contract won’t even cover Jenks arb raise, so I don’t see how that would work out.
by hitlesswonder on Dec 11, 2008 9:24 PM CST up reply actions
but I've been much too SSH-y with regards to the Bears this year, so I'll cut them some slack
I didn’t expect six wins much less eight (and a reasonable shot at nine or ten). And hey — they’ve found a pretty legit RB and it looks like two pretty capable receivers in Olson and Hester.
Thoughts on Orton? Is he good enough to actually hold down the spot for the next couple seasons? I’ll admit to (a) not watching the Bears enough this year to make a judgment, and (b) not being terribly knowledgeable when it comes to judging QBs in the first place (too much dependency on others… Is it his OL that’s making him look bad? Are his receivers shit? Is the system he’s in a poor one?), so I’d like to read some thoughts…
His receivers are shit
Rashied Davis shouldn’t be in the NFL.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on Dec 11, 2008 10:54 PM CST up reply actions
My comments were more general re: evaluating a QB, not in particular to Orton
yes, I understand that when Brandon Lloyd (although he’s been halfway decent when healthy this year, yes?) and Rasheed Davis are seeing as much time as they are, your WR core isn’t too good. I was happy to hear from an announcer a week or two back that the Bears are now running a good percentage of plays with the two TE set. I always thought it a waste to (a) not have Olson on the field (even with Clark out there) and (b) to put a fullback out there if he isn’t very good.
Yah, Lloyd was doing well
One of my roommates is from San Fran, and he was shocked and very bitter over how well Lloyd was doing
-Jeeves Life in the Cell
olson is the best receiver on the team. he will be the go-to guy for a while. he's got wr speed in a te body. great mismatch.
hester is meh. sometimes he looks good, like tonight, but he’s not a top tier nfl receiver by any means. the problem is the rest of the wr’s on the bears are terrible. that and they still suffer from abysmal play-calling for long stretches of every game by turner/lovie.
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Dec 11, 2008 11:05 PM CST up reply actions
what do you mean by abysmal play calling?
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
The complete absence of Forte in the second half was pretty noteworthy.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on Dec 11, 2008 11:19 PM CST up reply actions
that seems more like a personnel selection problem
i was thinking more like play sequencing, running sufficient counters for base plays, achieving a maximal run/pass mix. most people when they have play calling issues point to one or two plays in isolation from the rest of the game and i usually wind up thinking that those are baseless arguments. but he said “long stretches” which makes me think of the above.
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
Personnel selection? Wha?
Forte was on the field. He didn’t get the ball. You’re overthinking again.
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on Dec 11, 2008 11:26 PM CST up reply actions
no i'm not
i didn’t see the game. i was just curious about the playcalling thing.
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
first off, the bears coaching staff (and management at large) suffer from a major ego problem.
they’ve very vocally announced that they are a running team, which is fine, but then they proceed to always run out of run formations and pass out of pass formations. the idea that they are going to telegraph to the opponent what they plan to do, and then do it, is just arrogant.
obviously, the main advantage that the offense has over the defense is that the offense knows where they’re going, and the defense has to react. the bears have decided to negate that advantage by taking predictability to the extreme. time and time again, we have to watch the old guard/wisdom of the nfl act as if the man’s way to play football is to line up against the opponent and run into them.
the teams that have continued to have success over the last decade have been highly adept at deception, i.e. lining up 4 wide receivers and running up the middle because the defense is spread out. the bears love to go 3 te’s and the i-formation and then run right up the middle. the bears think they have balanced the offense by running/passing equally, but they don’t seem to understand that it’s about the unpredictability of play-calling that makes it effective.
Cashing checks and having sex.
And by the way, Forte's
biggest plays this year have come from running out of a 4 wide set . . . i.e. against the Colts. So, they do it just not enough.
that is about the worst group
of NFL receivers you will find and he has been pretty good despite that. They have many other issues they need to address, but for once, I don’t think QB is one of them.
The bane of so many posters here apperently.
I don't need to look at fancy stats
to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST
by omnipotent grab on Dec 11, 2008 11:04 PM CST up reply actions
I'll agree with despite knowing nothing about football
The Bears have many positions weaker than QB — WR being one of them. Orton seems like a generally competent QB at the least. He’s far from their biggest issue.
He’s had several great games this season. And he’s seems pretty accurate on short mid-range passes — I’ve actually seen him hit receivers in stride. I’m not convinced he can go deep and I’ve read that he’s “a single read QB” whatever that means (presumably that is ineffective if his first option is covered). But I think he’s OK.
by hitlesswonder on Dec 11, 2008 11:58 PM CST up reply actions
I'm hearing now that the Sox have.........
the inside track as long as they’re willing to pay him more than any other team – 3 years/$45 mil.
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