Leaving Las Vegas with More Questions
by The Cheat on Dec 12, 2008 12:57 AM CST
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PrintBaseball's Winter Meetings ended uneventfully for the White Sox. Oh sure, there was that extra $50K they got for losing Derek Rodriguez in the Rule 5 Draft, but only Jerry Reinsdorf and Larry care about that. The rest of us wonder what the White Sox will look like when they open camp in February. Will they make any more trades? Will they make a play in the free agent market? Where do the Sox go from here?
I've been asking myself the same question ever since the Swisher trade. And when the Vazquez trade didn't return any player who figures to make a significant impact on the Sox '09 roster, I had to sit back and wonder if the Sox were in a full-on Circuit City-style liquidation sale. It's only now, as the Sox leave the Winter Meetings without making a deal, having spent most of their time in Vegas waiting for the phone to ring, that I am finally starting to get a hold on what the Sox are looking to accomplish this off-season.
Those two trades removed about $17M from the Sox projected '09 payroll. We've heard Kenny say, "Right now, we're bumping up against our [payroll] limit," even after removing those salaries. How did that happen?
It's the economy, stupid. Or at least that's the excuse you'll hear out of most teams right now. The Sox have some other issues at work, however.
They've got $10M tied up in a pitcher who, in the rosiest of scenarios, won't play a game until after the All-Star Break. They've got another $3M committed to Mike MacDougal, who was removed from the 40-man roster and could have been taken by any team in yesterday's Rule 5 draft. And then there's that $5M payment for right to bolt Tucson in favor of the shorter bus rides in the valley. $18M in expenses that don't figure to contribute to wins in '09; I'm sure it's just a coincidence that the those two numbers come out so neatly.
I've got the Sox payroll commitments right now at about $86M, but that's due to grow as they offer arbitration to Bobby Jenks and Dewayne Wise Friday, and should end up around $95M if you fill out the rest of the lineup with near-minimum contracts.
I don't really understand why the Sox would bother to tender Wise an offer. He seems like a perfect non-tender candidate to me, as essentially a walking definition of a replacement-level player. But the Sox tend to reward these fringy types with major league contracts (see: Ozuna, Pablo or Perez, Timo). I no longer have the will to argue about it anymore. I just accept that there will be $1M handed to a guy who should be the 26th man.
While we've all be trying to read between the lines, and waited for the next big salary to drop, it appears as though Williams has been speaking the slightly-varnished truth when meeting with reporters. He says he's trying to put the best team he can on the field, while remaining under that budget ceiling, but like he did in the '06-'07 off-season he's also focused on continuing to stock an under-productive farm system with some near-ready, high upside talent. That off-season brought the Sox John Danks and Gavin Floyd, but neither was ready to contribute to contender in '07, and the Sox had their worst record since the early 80's.
Now that Jermaine Dye has been dangled to numerous clubs for young pitching, with little interest, and the Sox linked to his replacement, it's time to question those first two salary-dumping trades.
In the Vazquez deal, it seems as though Williams passed on a young starter (presumably Jo-Jo Reyes or Charlie Morton) at the urging of his scouts, under the impression that he could move Dye to fill his young starter needs. But all of the players in that deal (even Lollipopguild) seem to have some upside. Which brings us back to the Swisher deal; why was it necessary to pull the trigger so quickly? for such a meager return? Why not hold out for the highest bidder at the meetings? Are we honestly supposed to believe that [Starter Candidate 5] is capable of stepping into the rotation as Danks did in '07? What happpens when he proves to be more like '07 Floyd? or worse?
If the Sox are unable to move Dye for young pitching, they might have to explore the free agent pitching market, hoping one of the dispatched '05 starters, or some other damaged goods (Pedro, Penny et al) are seeking a 1-year deal to rebuild their reputation. And even that option may force them to trim payroll elsewhere (Read: Bobby Jenks).
The Sox roster is far from complete. We'll just have to sit back and wait, and make fun of hoodie, to pass the time.
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Another great read Cheat
larry has that system down to a science. Especially with the way the economy is….big wigs like larry coming in dressed in their mink coats and 24k gold cigarrete holders with pockets lined with coke make for a large draw during shift changes.
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 9, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
get your tongue
out of his arsehole…..
no really…. nice read… Almost as good as say Christopher Michael Michaels!
I am going to ask you one time, and i'm gonna ask you nice. Where the fuck is Ringo bitch.
CM ruined September for the Sox.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Dec 12, 2008 8:40 AM CST up reply actions
ssh2005 ruined mine.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 12, 2008 9:13 AM CST up reply actions
Good recap, sir,
yet simply put, if the partners lost money last year, and that was before the economy had tanked, I don’t care what the supposed mlbTV cash cow is bringing, payroll is going down. In conjunction with that, young players cost less than proven vets.
The one thing impressive about the Sox management in my mind is that they’ve always treated it as a family business. Thus, they take care of their own, they reward loyalty often above relative performance yet are (mostly) competitive, and they don’t want to lose money in the process.
This offseason is not surprising in light of last year’s success, this year’s horrific economy, and the need to grow their own. I hope to Christ JR and the partners have ZERO dollars with Bernie Madoff or more payroll will be dropped quickly.
What a time we are living through, folks. What a time.
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
What a time, indeed.
The economy is not an excuse. It’s a very cold, hard reality. I honestly wonder how some teams will do it. All of us (myself included) are so quick to judge off-season moves. Can we at least wait to see the final product and also wait to see how certain players develop? I always love the call from fans that “We could have gotten more!” Do you think that never occurred to the organization and the group of professionals that live this every day and know the market better than any of us? Granted, teams make mistakes, players don’t always develop as aniticipated and in rare instances, maybe a team could have gotten more. But recent history tells us that we have some good reason to have a little faith in KW and his staff. Having said that, I hope everybody continues to speak in absolutes and swear by the numbers and projections. I love that stuff too, and I come here for that. It wouldn’t be any fun without it. But I still kind of miss all the Uribe jokes…
I only understand absolutes, per WU.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 12, 2008 10:39 AM CST up reply actions
JR = Jerry Royster?
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 12, 2008 10:40 AM CST up reply actions
Sorry, HSA, Raul is said to be Philly-bound:
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8931496/Sources:-Ibanez-reaches-deal-with-Phillies
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
Seriously, the only thing that upsets me about him leaving Seattle, is the lost thrill of watching him hurt the Twinks in close proximity.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Dec 12, 2008 8:55 AM CST up reply actions
seems like a bad move
ibanez is older, a terrible fielder, and another lefty in a lefty-heavy lineup. why not keep burrell, a younger, righty, homegrown guy from the world series team? i would guess burrell might want one more year and maybe slightly more money, but i’d rather have his age 32-35 seasons than ibanez’s age 37-39 seasons. plus they lose draft picks signing ibanez. weird.
Lending more credence to Abreu asking for 3 years/$30MM or so.
Pretty comparable, though Raul has better numbers. Similar temperment, too.
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
by winningugly on Dec 12, 2008 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
So, is there just an entire LL thread devoted to Ibanez blunders? If so, I'd love the link. :)
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Dec 12, 2008 1:52 PM CST up reply actions
good stuff
takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm
If only the Sox could acquire someone like Swisher to replace Dye
If the plan really is to trade Dye for pitching and replace him with a cheaper corner vet OF, the Swisher trade was incredibly stupid. There’s no one the Sox can sign for less than what Swisher would have made that has close to the talent he does. Any big name vet (Abreu, Dunn, Burrell) is going to cost way too close to what Dye is making to allow a signing.
If Swisher’s salary was an issue, why not dump Dotel instead? Maybe the Sox have to eat $1.5M on his contract, but surely that could have been done.
It really seems like Swsh was a dump of a guy they hated for nothing, which is a tremendous organizational failure in many ways.
I am no where near the harshest critic of KW
But for the life of me I can’t understand the rush to dump Swisher so quickly. That was a mistake period.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
"on the table" meaning the Yankees offered him? I doubt it...
If so, I would have to think the Sox would have taken that deal. Actually, I’d still wouldn’t be real happy, but Swisher straight-up for Kennedy would be a much more defensible trade.
by hitlesswonder on Dec 12, 2008 8:55 AM CST up reply actions
if the plan was to trade dye... then why did you trade swisher?
man you guys are fooled easily.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 12, 2008 9:14 AM CST up reply actions
you know when Hawk does that thing at the start of every game
he always mentions the ‘beautiful city of Chicago’ and then he gives the dimensions of the ballpark.
I’m kinda missing that
number one when it mattered!
Exellent article
I’m just getting up so I can’t really comment but tha was a good read.
I just do not understand the Swisher trade, its bad… plain and simple
i was just thinking that having four lefties in the rotation
would be a good way to compensate for any of Flowers’ shortcomings with his throws.
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
considering tyler hasn't played above A ball
maybe you should have been thinking that it’s a good way to compensate for any of pierzynski’s shortcomings with his throws.
willy taveras free?
AFL counts maybe? anyway i've been playing around with MLEs
Flowers had a .319 wOBA per minorleaguesplits and .344 if you use the DTs.
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
it's where i funnel my optimism anyway
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
No..
Still just hating the Nick Swisher trade. I think we are fine with the rest of the movement.
by Grinder in Training on Dec 12, 2008 8:30 AM CST up reply actions
No...I understand the need to cut payroll
And getting a real C prospect, if Flowers is one, makes the Vazquez trade acceptable. And I actually am in favor of trading Dye now even for a light return and Jenks now if he can bring back a B prospect.
The Sox simply aren’t going to compete with Richard and Marquez in the rotation and Fields/WB,Getz,Owens playing everyday. On the days when Corky Miller plays, you’ll be seeing a lineup that is likely to have at least 4 guys under a .700 OPS. Going young is perfectly reasonable response when facing those facts.
But whether going young or trying to compete on the cheap this year, the Swisher trade makes no sense. In either case, he was young and cheap enough to be part of the plan.
by hitlesswonder on Dec 12, 2008 8:52 AM CST up reply actions
4 guys under .700 ops some days?
Okay. Who.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
nope he said at least 4
you need to add more….
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
that is at least least four. you know, four is part of such a definition?
from his post, it’s pretty obvious that he means betemit, getz, owens, miller will be below .700 candidates. seems reasonable to me, though i think getz is better than that. if you want to add more, i could easily see a sunday lineup that include one dewayne wise or lillibridge or some other schlub. do we forget 2007 so quickly?
willy taveras free?
its not reasonable
betemit won’t have a ops under .700 and i highly doubt getz will.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
maybe not under .700, but i'd be fairly surprised if he touches .740
by Craig Grebeck on Dec 12, 2008 9:26 AM CST up reply actions
I guess
I have no love for Wilson. but his career ops is .762. He is turning 27 and moving to the Cell.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
you know, if betemit had a babip of his career average last season, guess what his OPS probably would have been?
and getz is a rookie. i’ve seen plenty of them fall flat on their face. especially ones whose minor league numbers don’t exactly suggest he’ll have a huge cusion over .700 in the majors. is it pessimistic? sure. reasonable? i’d say so.
willy taveras free?
I disagree but fair enough.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
agreed
never trust fringe players over proven guys if you don’t have to, unless you are the Marlins.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 12, 2008 9:30 AM CST up reply actions
what's the criteria for "proven"?
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Dec 12, 2008 12:19 PM CST up reply actions
Taveras
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 12, 2008 7:18 PM CST up reply actions
I don't understand it.
We had 75 mil on the table for Hunter last year. If the money was there last year, where is that 75 mil this year? Plus, you all should be furious that Kenny still hasn’t landed us a “Big fish”!
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 12, 2008 9:17 AM CST up reply actions
Why should we be furious?
Most of the big fish are still out there besides closers and we don’t need one of those. We weren’t in the Sabathia sweepstakes. We haven’t missed on anyone yet. I’ll wait until the offseason is done to be upset.
Hell.. even with the Swisher trade.. maybe we really couldn’t have done better. Maybe other team’s scouts think he isn’t worth that salary in the last two years, especially if he is playing first base. What if he is a bust? In this economy, the last two years aren’t that great a price for the worst batting average in the league at first base. KW has done more right than wrong since he got here, I have no reason to assume he’s an idiot just because I don’t understand one move.
We go into the season with some injury prone veteran in the 5th spot, hope he makes it to the all star break, then let a healthy Jose take over and we’re in good shape. It’s not like Texeria or Sabathia joined our division this offseason. Unless Marquez has really shown Kenny something, I think it’s safe to say we bring in another pitcher before the season starts.
by Grinder in Training on Dec 12, 2008 9:32 AM CST up reply actions
If you go to the pod cast on the score's website
Stone was giving his input on the Swisher trade, he sounded like he was towing the company line a little bit, but he said that he went and watched Marquez, and was very impressed. He apparently has a really good sinker which will bode well for his numbers at the Cell. Lets hope he can start that sinker knee high, instead of chest high.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 12, 2008 9:36 AM CST up reply actions
Stone really liked Masset too
He knows a lot more about baseball than I do, but here’s Marquez in AAA last year:
93 hits in 80 IP, avg. 3.7 K/9 and 2.7 BB/9. His stint in AA was better, but still bad.
If Marquez succeeds in the bigs, it’s a triumph of scouting over statistics…..
by hitlesswonder on Dec 12, 2008 9:42 AM CST up reply actions
or nick marquez
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 12, 2008 9:48 AM CST up reply actions
Flagged
for criticising (gently) WTGTD ater defending him yesterday. Either lay into him or leave him alone. SoB understands absolutes, not subtlety.
However, much respect.
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
nice speling
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 12, 2008 10:34 AM CST up reply actions
I can take it from someone who actually knows how to type and spell.
Not you, Mr. “Dear in the headlights” or (most recently) “towing the company line”.
I rescind my protective suggestion. Fire away, all.
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
by winningugly on Dec 12, 2008 10:40 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
"Not you, Mr. "Dear in the headlights" or (most recently) "towing the company line"." HUH?
What does this above quote have to do with anything WU?
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 12, 2008 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
*Toeing and Deer
good 1
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 12, 2008 10:47 AM CST up reply actions
None the less...
good catches WU. In your old age I am surprised you can remember what you had for breakfast…. rec’d
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 12, 2008 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
"I can take it from someone who actually knows how to type and spell."
or just uses a browser with spell check built-in…
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Dec 12, 2008 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
I was never aware that Stone is a huge fan of Masset.
IIRC he said he could be a servicable 25th man… and that was about it.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 12, 2008 10:36 AM CST up reply actions
his K rate suggests he has serious lack of stuff issues, even if he is getting groundballs.
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
If that is what you believe...
I have never seen him pitch, so I will take your word for it.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 12, 2008 3:52 PM CST up reply actions
Well, I hope someone at least got some good 'tang in LV. yawwwwwn.
Still happy about the idea of getting to beat up HoRam on the Royals next season.
Though totally expecting him to suddenly kick ass and shut us down every time we face him….but let’s hope we get to just beat him up instead.
Thanks for the good read, Cheat.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
glad to see you're "finally getting to get a hold" of this offseason, cheat.
complain about how the beat writers don’t figure shit out you can. the whole money thing was pointed out weeks ago when the swisher money neatly lined up with the tuscon money.
willy taveras free?
"They've got $10M tied up in a pitcher who, in the rosiest of scenarios, won't play a game until after the All-Star Break."
Are there articles / links that talk about Jose’s rehab?
"I am not going out like SSH. "
by WTGTD, 12/3/08
you seem to miss every time someone answers your question.
no recent ones. it’s not like his timeframe will have dramatically shifted in the past couple months. and stories on guys doing rehab really ain’t that interesting, especially when they’re really great interviewees like jose.
willy taveras free?
1st MLB start - June 1 - no later.
Book it.
"I am not going out like SSH. "
by WTGTD, 12/3/08
June 1st?
If that’s the case it’d make Marquez in the rotation a lot more reasonable. How many starts does a number 5 get before June 1st, 8 – 10, assuming he gets skipped on off days, and make room for a couple rain outs in the spring.
by Grinder in Training on Dec 12, 2008 9:33 AM CST up reply actions
he ain't going to be starting.
at least not that early. not going to be able to get his endurance up that quickly, even in the rosiest of scenarios.
willy taveras free?
Frist, I hope you're right.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Dec 12, 2008 9:38 AM CST up reply actions
willy taveras to be non-tendered
http://www.denverpost.com/rockies/ci_11200802?source=rss
willy taveras free?
Because they preferred to keep Pods, right?
Kenny’s long-range planning is paying off :)
by hitlesswonder on Dec 12, 2008 9:43 AM CST up reply actions
since that article also states they're offering a (non-guaranteed) contract to pods.
apparently yes.
willy taveras free?
Does SSS have its funds managed by Bernie Madoff?
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i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
At least Bernie and his lawyer are on the same page
There is no innocent explanation," Mr Madoff said, according to the criminal complaint. He told the agents that it was all his fault, and that he “paid investors with money that wasn’t there”, according to the complaint.
Mr Madoff’s lawyer, Dan Horwitz, called his client “a person of integrity” and said he intends to fight the charge. “We will fight to get through this unfortunate set of events.” His client was released on a $10m bond secured by his New York apartment.
by Grinder in Training on Dec 12, 2008 10:05 AM CST up reply actions
No news is...no news.
Slooooooow…I’ve been disappointed since 6 AM when Dennis Gartman said this could be “one of the worst days in global capital markets history”. So far it’s a Jerry Owens tap to the pitcher.
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
by winningugly on Dec 12, 2008 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
WU is encountering menopause.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 12, 2008 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
Peripherally - my wife may be.
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
by winningugly on Dec 12, 2008 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
right you've got me for about an hour
before I go out on the missus’ xmas pissup.
start making fun of me
number one when it mattered!
nuff said
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 12, 2008 11:21 AM CST up reply actions
you are training to be a vet right?
is part of the training animal behaviour and that kind of stuff? or just physiology?
number one when it mattered!
You are a French Sympathetic
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 12, 2008 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
nuff said
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 12, 2008 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
Sympatique.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Dec 12, 2008 11:37 AM CST up reply actions
i got nothin to make fun of you for
so i went with the weakest insult i could think of without dredging up the peoria or bad teeth stuff
sit*
OK, you don't know how to use the reply button, either.
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
by winningugly on Dec 12, 2008 11:37 AM CST up reply actions
I'm getting worried about utd
even though we are probably the only football club in England that made money this year, keep letting in silly goals, not even in a playoff spot now. The natives are restless.
number one when it mattered!
i've never fully understood
the causes of their slide down the leagues. when i started following they were in the premiership (or maybe it was still called the first division)
brian anderson would've caught that...
we gave money we didn't have to people who couldn't afford to pay it back
If only the world had looked at our example of how not to do things
number one when it mattered!
Probably time to go and pick on the irish again?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 12, 2008 11:58 AM CST up reply actions
I don't pick on the Irish
I just dislike all that ‘plastic paddy’ bollocks, you know anyone who drinks a pint of guiness suddenly becomes all misty eyed and starts talking about fiddles, bombs and potatoes.
In fact there are hardly any group of people I dislike, apart from Scousers, scum of the earth.
number one when it mattered!
Not fond of the Beatles, then?
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
by winningugly on Dec 12, 2008 12:07 PM CST up reply actions
ha - although I am in a minority
when I say that I believe Paul Mccartney to be a superior songwriter than Lennon.
number one when it mattered!
You have just insulted 75% of the board!
I think it is the whiskey that gets em’ misty eyed, my friend. Guiness is what they use to brush their teeth.
Plastic paddy testicles…what be these?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 12, 2008 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
i seem to remember
you disliking manu fans,
anyways, i despise astronauts.
brian anderson would've caught that...
manu fans (as I have said before) are a disparate bunch
so it’s difficult to classify them as a homogeneous group, they are no where near as bad as Scousers, and i don’t mean Liverpool FC fans.
number one when it mattered!
oh dear
i didn’t even realise they got bounced from the fa cup by histon. mercy.
brian anderson would've caught that...
yes there is nothing my team enjoys more
than being humiliated in front of a national tv audience
number one when it mattered!
If I can get a visa sorted out ( I have to appeal ) then I might make it
number one when it mattered!
So, did the hairbrush hurt more on the way in, or the way out?
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Dec 12, 2008 11:44 AM CST up reply actions
you allowed this to happen!
You must have enjoyed it in some way…
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 12, 2008 11:56 AM CST up reply actions
yes I allowed it to happen
I said to my sexy ginger girlfriend, ‘please shove a hairbrush up my arse’
number one when it mattered!
unless you have a gaping hole...
stuffing a hairbrush up there would be quite a challenge…IMO
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 12, 2008 12:00 PM CST up reply actions
Hood ornament, has the T-shirt fairy shown up yet?
Should be there today or tomorrow.
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
by winningugly on Dec 12, 2008 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
no I think it's disappeared into the the same void as the Getz interview
number one when it mattered!
No, I actually mailed it last Friday. I was told it would take a week.
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
by winningugly on Dec 12, 2008 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
what t-shirt?
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 12, 2008 1:42 PM CST up reply actions
I am astounded at the things you miss/retain on this board. No offense; please don't take any.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Dec 12, 2008 1:51 PM CST up reply actions
SOB is like a country singer?
""I’m for the dreamers. The only really important things in history have been started by the dreamers. They never know what can’t be done.""
Bill Veeck
I know what you mean, but that almost implies endearing.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Dec 12, 2008 3:43 PM CST up reply actions
You know you love me HSA :P
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 12, 2008 3:54 PM CST up reply actions
sorry I don't read every single post
on every single thread. So… can you please tell me what t-shirt? Does it involve Viva Alexei?
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 12, 2008 4:37 PM CST up reply actions
sorry,
never tried it. I just know that if anyone ever tried that with me, I would counter it with an elbow to the nose and forced entry of that object into my opponent! Then I would call my ninja larry to see if he wanted the case.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 12, 2008 1:21 PM CST up reply actions
How many times?
Brits are well-known masochists. She was probably paddling your arse with it first.
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
by winningugly on Dec 12, 2008 12:00 PM CST up reply actions
no more coin flips
Without fanfare, general managers decided during the Winter Meetings to eliminate the process of using coin flips to decide home-field advantage in tie-breaker games for division titles or wild-card playoff berths. Beginning next season, head-to-head records in the regular season will determine who plays at home.
That comes a year too late for the Twins, who lost 1-0 to the White Sox at US Cellular Field in Chicago in a one-game playoff for the American League Central title last season. The Twins had won the season series from the White Sox, 10-9. Ironically, White Sox GM Ken Williams voted for the new procedure. “He was one GM who spoke passionately about it at the GM meetings,” Twins GM Bill Smith said, referring to last month’s confab in Dana Point, California. “[Williams] said, ‘We benefitted from it, but it’s wrong and should be changed.’”
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=8364
willy taveras free?
I had a very strong feeling this would be changing after what happened with us and the Twins. I think it's a good move too. And came at just the right time..getting swept in the Terrordome the week before was bad enough...
but to lose 163 there to send the Twins to the play-offs would have been devastating.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Dec 12, 2008 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
Speaking of - have they torn that sucker down yet?
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Dec 12, 2008 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
with an odd number of games being played against a division opponents,
one team will play 1 more home game than another. How is this any more fair than a coin flip? Since I love coin flips so much, how about there be a coin flip when deciding who gets the extra home game…
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 12, 2008 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
no reply to this???
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 12, 2008 1:16 PM CST up reply actions
I see one!
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Dec 12, 2008 1:27 PM CST up reply actions
grrr
what do ya think?
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 12, 2008 1:31 PM CST up reply actions
Despite already giving my approval of the rule change, I'm slightly confused...
Looking at 2009’s schedule, I see us playing each team in our division exactly 9 times at home, and 9 times away.
Seems pretty even-steven to me.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Dec 12, 2008 1:48 PM CST up reply actions
Ok cool, do you see my point about last year though?
“The Twins had won the season series from the White Sox, 10-9.” – BP
Do you see how that extra home game could be more of an advantage than a coin flip?
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 12, 2008 4:39 PM CST up reply actions
Wow: CNBC reports 2 of the Mets' owners had money with Bernie Madoff.
Wilpon and Katz. Wow. Wait and see what else comes out. You don’t think the economy/cockroaches discovered is going to affect baseball?
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
$50 Billion is a lot of $$
We know larry and the amish probably were in for about $25 billion…but that other $25 billion could be spread amongst many owners….
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 12, 2008 11:56 AM CST up reply actions
imagine how hard it is trying to fit that into my wallet...
Now I know where my back problem came from!
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 12, 2008 11:58 AM CST up reply actions
"Omar, about that Rodriguez signing..."
""I’m for the dreamers. The only really important things in history have been started by the dreamers. They never know what can’t be done.""
Bill Veeck
My thoughts exactly.
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
by winningugly on Dec 12, 2008 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
Puke.
Mr. Madoff, who split time between New York City and Florida, was a regular on the Palm Beach social scene, attending the Red Cross Ball and many political fund-raisers, said Charles Gradante, a co-founder of Hennessee Group LLC, an adviser to investors in hedge funds.
Membership rosters at a number of Florida country clubs could be particularly hard hit by Mr. Madoff’s alleged scheme, including Boca Rio Golf Club in Boca Raton and the Palm Beach Country Club in Palm Beach. Members of these clubs helped promote Mr. Madoff’s services to the clubs’ membership, though the clubs themselves weren’t involved, club members said. Having money with Mr. Madoff was a symbol of prestige within these clubs, several members said.
Boca Rio officials couldn’t be reached to comment.
The Palm Beach Country Club, the exclusive golf and beach club in Palm Beach that counts some of the island’s richest residents as members, served as a major distribution channel for Mr. Madoff’s fund. According to two members of the club, Mr. Madoff had an agent and at least one major investor at the club who would help attract new investors for the fund. Some members were told by other members that one of the benefits of joining the Palm Beach Country Club was being able to invest with Mr. Madoff.
“They always sold the fund as being ‘regular variable income,’” said one Palm Beach Club member. “But no one really knew what the strategy was.”
A spokesman for the Palm Beach Country Club couldn’t be reached for comment last night.
Long Island country club rosters are also expected to be severely hit by the alleged fraud. Dozens of members of Fresh Meadows Country Club in Lake Success, N.Y., where Mr. Madoff is a member, and Glen Oaks Club in Old Westbury, N.Y., where his brother Peter is a member, have invested large chunks of their savings with him, according to three people familiar with his clients. Mr. Madoff raised his children in Roslyn, on Long Island, before moving to Manhattan.
""I’m for the dreamers. The only really important things in history have been started by the dreamers. They never know what can’t be done.""
Bill Veeck
apparently he secured a lot of his funding via european skiing tournaments. (he was an accomplished skiier.)
Cashing checks and having sex.
and by that i mean he put himself in a position to schmooze with some european bigwigs.
Cashing checks and having sex.
LB?
""I’m for the dreamers. The only really important things in history have been started by the dreamers. They never know what can’t be done.""
Bill Veeck
Li-Brarian?
""I’m for the dreamers. The only really important things in history have been started by the dreamers. They never know what can’t be done.""
Bill Veeck
Whom do you speak of?!
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 12, 2008 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
Oh, UI Linebacker
I thought you meant a bear LB.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 12, 2008 12:16 PM CST up reply actions
Any word on what led up to it?
Is he going to recover or any details?
by Grinder in Training on Dec 12, 2008 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
he's in stable condition in the hospital down here
the Daily Illini won’t print details, but 3 of my roommates for next year live above the bar it happened at and they say it was just a normal bar fight. our football players have been getting into a lot of shit the last two years on account of how highly they think of themselves around campus.
sit*
which bar?
"KenWO
no point in arguing with people who are blinded from reality..."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 29, 2008 6:49 PM
not safe for work
we’re supposed to only post a link and label it NSFW now for stuff that might get some of the workers on here in trouble
sit*
oh ok - that means I have to think about the times and stuff
mind i’ve posted a few pictures of Richards on here, but no nipples, so i’m sort of careful
number one when it mattered!
NSFW: Not Safe From Welshmen
""I’m for the dreamers. The only really important things in history have been started by the dreamers. They never know what can’t be done.""
Bill Veeck
The ass pics are the only things that make Colin's Bukake threads worthwhile
""I’m for the dreamers. The only really important things in history have been started by the dreamers. They never know what can’t be done.""
Bill Veeck
Judging by the lack of enthusiasm
I’m gonna guess that Lollipopguild doesn’t catch on
AIM: SouthSideCheat
meh. Candidate 5 was choice, though! Most great nicknames occur during the season, when they are being earned through actions.
Lollipopguild wasn’t terrible for the off-season.
:)
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Dec 12, 2008 1:33 PM CST up reply actions
Starter Candidate 5
""I’m for the dreamers. The only really important things in history have been started by the dreamers. They never know what can’t be done.""
Bill Veeck
Candidate 5 sucks
worst nick name ever. Lollipopguild is better. SSS, WHAT HAPPENED TO THE CREATIVITY???
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 12, 2008 1:51 PM CST up reply actions
Certaincy not your best effort, Cheat.
IMO, not even top 10.
"I am not going out like SSH. "
by WTGTD, 12/3/08
My "c" is very close to my "l".
"I am not going out like SSH. "
by WTGTD, 12/3/08
the h key
’taint c, ’taint l
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Dec 12, 2008 4:25 PM CST up reply actions
atta boy, Larry
Wise ended up becoming an outfield starter against primarily right-handed pitchers during the final two weeks of the season, replacing the injured Carlos Quentin, and hit .248 with six home runs, 18 RBIs and nine stolen bases over 57 games. Wise also hit the White Sox first postseason home run in the American League Division Series against the Rays.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Dec 12, 2008 2:02 PM CST up reply actions
no real complaints then
what’s the league minimum this year? It’s creeping toward $500K.
It does essentially guarantee him a roster spot though, which is less than ideal.
AIM: SouthSideCheat
let's hope the 25th spot on the roster is our only worry...
and maybe he keeps Owens off of it?
For the record, I think Wise earned the spot a hell of a lot more than a Timo or Pablo ever did.
""I’m for the dreamers. The only really important things in history have been started by the dreamers. They never know what can’t be done.""
Bill Veeck
his 2008 sure reminded me of ozuna's 2006.
actually, it was worse. wise should not play major league baseball.
willy taveras free?
my memeory isn't that good. i was thinking Ozuna '07
""I’m for the dreamers. The only really important things in history have been started by the dreamers. They never know what can’t be done.""
Bill Veeck
neither is my spelling
""I’m for the dreamers. The only really important things in history have been started by the dreamers. They never know what can’t be done.""
Bill Veeck
he had earned that 07 spot based upon what he did in 2006.
so guess what wise’s 2009 is going to look like.
willy taveras free?
and a punch to Wise's "Bollocks"
as hoodlight might say.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 12, 2008 2:32 PM CST up reply actions
He had a .742ops last year.
That’s not terrible. Surely, he can be a bench player on some teams.
www.stallingtheman.blogspot.com
please don't cite 137 PAs while ignoring everything else when discussing a 31 year old baseball player.
come on.
willy taveras free?
I'm sure Raf, like the rest of us without knives to our wrists, is just trying to look on the bright side of signing Wise. It may suck, but his damage, if any, will probably be very minor to the team.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Dec 12, 2008 2:50 PM CST up reply actions
as we saw last season,
minor damage here and minor damage there can add up to the difference. ask the twins.
willy taveras free?
No doubt. But between the three MuskeCFers, Wise is the least likely to play with any regularity.
Owens will accrue more damage than Wise simply out of opportunity.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Dec 12, 2008 2:55 PM CST up reply actions
more to the point
why sign a player to a guaranteed contract when a likely outcome is that he’ll damage your team? minor outrage to be sure. but it’s still silly.
willy taveras free?
Could be because he actually did us some good in the end of the season when the rest of our big-salary starters had their heads up their asses.
We just won’t know until the season plays out. But I really don’t foresee Dewayne (and I’m trying to abandon sponsor bias here ;) ) hurting us. He’ll be used in situations where we either can’t be hurt much (huge leads*), or when the other options would hurt us more (pinch-running for Kong/Thomer in late innings).
*And probably Sunday would-be-sweep games that Ozzie likes to blow so much.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Dec 12, 2008 3:02 PM CST up reply actions
he was kind of crappy the whole year. i'm not really sure i understand what you're talking about. he sucks. maybe he sucked less at one time or another. it doesn't change that he sucks.
one can find players better than wise quite easily. considering ozzie’s penchant for an extra pitcher instead of position player, his ability to damage the team is increased.
and if you think what you described is how ozzie will use him, i’m guessing you watch less white sox baseball than you claim. the man should never start. ever. but he will.
willy taveras free?
Well I can't really say whether he'll start. I understand your fears, having just witnessed, for a fresh example, Griffey start every game in CF.
But I think Wise is the 3rd starter of the 3. I don’t believe we’ll see him as often as you seem to think. He started at the end of the season because Swish was on time-out, Q was injured, Griff needed a rest, and there was some sort of beef over starting BA (it seemed). Oh, and he had some key hits.
Owens’ performance will probably be the determining factor. Ozzie and KW seem to like him the most, and have most faith in him, and will probably stick with him until he really devastates. Or gets injured again.
But even then, there is still BA before DW, I think….I hope…..
$550 K is not going to get us the pitcher we need anyway. I guess the argument is there that it’s money towards the pitcher we need…
But haven’t they already made their crappy selection in SC#5?
Let’s not hold this against lil Dewayne, who just wanted a shot…a Christmas miracle….
(don’t forget, lar, not only do I not watch Sox baseball, but I hate the sport altogether).
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Dec 12, 2008 3:35 PM CST up reply actions
OMFG
YOU SUPPORT OWENS! What is your fascination with this guy SoB? Oop’s I mean HSA.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 12, 2008 4:43 PM CST up reply actions
Also...he's another lefty bat. That could come in handy now that Swish and KGJ are gone. You know, provided he knows what to do with it.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Dec 12, 2008 3:39 PM CST up reply actions
Where would it say that it was guaranteed?
I thought you usually can release guys like this in spring training for a portion of the salary.
You are a professed Wise supporter,
and thus unreliable as an objective party.
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
Yeah, but since nobody else is doing it.... :D
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Dec 12, 2008 3:40 PM CST up reply actions
There's going to be 5 outfielders
So even if you’ve still got Q! and Dye hanging around, you’ll end up with Owens, Anderson and Wise all playing replacement-level ball in a cripple fight for the last spot, with the losers becoming platoon parters/backups
AIM: SouthSideCheat
you think?
i expect him to be above .700 again next year and with above average defense – do you argue he doesn’t provide that? – that certainly looks like above replacement level for CF to me.
willy taveras free?
Is that you larry - perhaps I missed something - you are almost supporting BA
Don't look back because we are going forward!
Whenever I hear Wise, I'm reminded of my days in Chicago hearing
“STREET WISE”
Best vendor is the guy near the Art Institute. I mean the guy just really belts it out.
Good for Dewayne though…
by Crede's Crew on Dec 12, 2008 2:37 PM CST up reply actions
but not for the Sox (so I hear)
""I’m for the dreamers. The only really important things in history have been started by the dreamers. They never know what can’t be done.""
Bill Veeck
at least the sox didn't make the mistake of guaranteeing the guy $1.8M.
the white sox are…evolving.
willy taveras free?
yeah, coulda been worse...we could've signed Horacio.
That should be the new SSS tagline.
South Side Sox: Well, We Could Have Signed Horacio…
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Dec 12, 2008 2:45 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
lol! hsa rec'd
takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm
It was hard to sell those eh?
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 12, 2008 4:45 PM CST up reply actions
best seller is the crazy woman at clark and madison.
she yells some kind of gibberish that sounds like “why you wanna order street wise?” over and over again, paying no attention to passersby.
and on a heartwarming note, the streetwise vendor in front of my office, who i believe i mentioned before as being a gentleman and a real nice guy, was actually hired by one of the companies in my building. he actually got a real, regular, good job. how nice is that to hear? he was such a dilligent worker, it’s great to think that a guy who might have been virtually destitute is now gainfully employed.
Cashing checks and having sex.
Someoneis hiring?
colin? You get that?
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
Well..
He is terrible at baseball, but he’s basically a 5th outfielder / pinch runner making near league minimum. I guess good for him, we won’t be making or missing the playoffs because of DeWayne Wise.
by Grinder in Training on Dec 12, 2008 2:39 PM CST up reply actions
STOP IT!! DON'T RUIN MY '09 BEFORE IT STARTS!!
""I’m for the dreamers. The only really important things in history have been started by the dreamers. They never know what can’t be done.""
Bill Veeck
Now I'm off to drink.
""I’m for the dreamers. The only really important things in history have been started by the dreamers. They never know what can’t be done.""
Bill Veeck
larry can do that to a person.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Dec 12, 2008 2:48 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
one less backup catcher candidate
bowen signs with As; had been rumored as a non-tender.
http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/baseball/story/810544.html
willy taveras free?
he's fast
so he’s able to make up. technically not so good but, in practice, above average.
willy taveras free?
"he's fast" - lar
so is owens.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 12, 2008 4:46 PM CST up reply actions
citation?
or whoosh goes the joke over my head?
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Dec 12, 2008 6:29 PM CST up reply actions
Pretty much the same player...
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 12, 2008 7:03 PM CST up reply actions
Is he?
2007: Willy T. 97 games 33 steals CS: 9
2007: Jerry O. 93 games 32 steals CS: 8
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 12, 2008 7:10 PM CST up reply actions
yeah, that might be an important season to cite.
at any rate, i’m not sure citing stolen bases is the way to measure speed.
willy taveras free?
Correct as well, I don't think
difference in speed is very overwhelming. Are you saying Taveras runs a 4.15 40 and JO runs a 4.5 40? I mean, how do you know Taveras is faster?
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 13, 2008 4:07 PM CST up reply actions
I matched the 2 seasons that the players played a similar amount of games. Point is, Owens could steal 60 bases in a season.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 13, 2008 4:04 PM CST up reply actions
and we wouldn't have to trade for him.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 13, 2008 4:07 PM CST up reply actions
good catch.
Let me rephrase. We wouldn’t have to pay money we supposedly don’t have?
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 14, 2008 8:35 PM CST up reply actions
not after his leg injury last season.
or, if he does, he’ll be caught about 30 times, too.
willy taveras free?
correct.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 13, 2008 4:01 PM CST up reply actions
well I am not sure what is considered a great arm for CF....
but Owens has like 1 career assist compared to Taveras avg. like 10 a season.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 13, 2008 4:11 PM CST up reply actions
according to
Taveras’ arm was a full win better than Owens. Taveras graded out as ~ +3 runs; Owens ~ -7.
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
viciedo signing official
http://www.southsidesox.com/2008/12/12/690895/viciedo-signing-official
willy taveras free?
so is it 4 years and done
or do we get arb after the initial 4 years?
12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez
projected roster
C AJ, FA SCRUB
1B PK
2B Getz, Lillibridge
3B Fields, BETEMIT
SS ARAM
OF Q, DYE, DWISE, BA, TAVERAS
DH Thome
SP MB, JD, GF, CR, (cheap FA)
Pen (Poreda, Thornton, Jenks, Liney, Dotel, Carrasco)
hahahah taveras.
12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez
Not sure ARAM and JC can help Viciedo
“get comfortable” in Charlotte.
maybe they can video chat/catch.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Dec 12, 2008 3:35 PM CST up reply actions
finally, a role for the torpedo boat
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Dec 12, 2008 3:41 PM CST up reply actions
Mentor?
Food critic? Bodyguard?
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
Are NBA GMs better than advanced stats?
I would bet the same is true for baseball.
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
Taveras Future Center Fielder????????
As a sox fan, do you like the idea of KW signing Taveras, do you think he would and if so for how much. 2years/5mil?
7 years 180 mil
larry has that system down to a science. Especially with the way the economy is….big wigs like larry coming in dressed in their mink coats and 24k gold cigarrete holders with pockets lined with coke make for a large draw during shift changes.
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 9, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Taveras already plays on the sox.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 13, 2008 4:13 PM CST up reply actions
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