Dayan Viciedo is Official
The trades of Nick Swisher and Javier Vazquez reaped another benefit in Chicago on Friday, as the White Sox officially announced the signing of free agent third baseman Dayan Viciedo.
Viciedo will receive a $4 million signing bonus and earn $1 million in 2009, $1.25 million in 2010 and 2011 and $2.5 million in 2012.
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Well now you're not getting your SSS commemorative mug that I picked up at Walgreens
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Get a room, you two.
Are you blind? You were meant for each other.
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Dec 12, 2008 4:17 PM CST up reply actions
larry 1, Cheat, coming to bat.
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
Speaking of "shape", Ozzie says Dayan is a fat sack of shit:
Like I say, he’s got to come in shape," said Guillen of Viciedo, who was told by the White Sox to lose 10 pounds before reporting to Glendale. “Spring Training is not [the place] to get yourself in shape.”
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
I forgot to mention it -
that nickname is horseshit. Fer Chrissakes. Elevate the game, Cheat – Obama is watching, to say nothing of Reifert.
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
Is it just me or
Is this chick really into her sucker…? It’s like she’s making love to it.
I am going to ask you one time, and i'm gonna ask you nice. Where the fuck is Ringo bitch.
You have never had a woman, have you, ED?
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
ED = Erectile Disfunction?
I don't need to look at fancy stats
to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST
by omnipotent grab on Dec 12, 2008 7:02 PM CST up reply actions
I can't believe it's taken this long
for someone to put that together. I was not going to be the one. I’m not Bob Dole.
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
OMG that is so funny...
because you said ED and my handle is ElDiablo…. and then omnipotent grab made a funny about erectile disfunction….
now i have to think of a new nickname…
is swisher30 still taken..?
I am going to ask you one time, and i'm gonna ask you nice. Where the fuck is Ringo bitch.
How terribly droll.
I don't need to look at fancy stats
to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST
by omnipotent grab on Dec 12, 2008 9:45 PM CST up reply actions
I check the FanShots for shit like this
Didn’t see it… posted myself, and immediately front-paged it.. Oops
AIM: SouthSideCheat
future tip.
since it’s been proven time and again that i’m the fastest linker in all of SSS-land, you should probably just search under my name, lolli.
willy taveras free?
burnett to yankees, 5/$82.5M
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3765754
willy taveras free?
When
are they going to open up their pocket books… I mean that’s only 243 million that they have committed this off season…. Hmm they must be feeling the recession…. Good thing they saved that 16 million from abreau….
What is their luxury tax going to be…?
I am going to ask you one time, and i'm gonna ask you nice. Where the fuck is Ringo bitch.
if you've got the money, now is certainly the time to be spending it.
deals to be had.
willy taveras free?
Um... nevermind
I was only thinking of the FA market…
the theft of swisher is clearly a “deal”
AIM: SouthSideCheat
Sox felt bad they put him at lead off and started him in CF.
So, they took a little less to show him respect. Duh.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 13, 2008 4:20 PM CST up reply actions
Added Wise and Viciedo to the payroll chart
http://www.southsidesox.com/pages/White-Sox-Payroll-Info
With the signing bonus, that puts the Sox at something like $91M with Jenks and the near-minimum guys yet to be added.
Looks like about a $100M payroll from here
AIM: SouthSideCheat
I love the payroll chart
I can remember when it was first put up. I think this was the first site to have something like it up on a regular basis.
Additionally:
Didn’t Colin (or was it Keith?) put together a draft of the 5 year plan with projected starters at each position going forward? Hardly perfect, of course, but a useful thing to have around. Can you find the link and put it up next to the payroll chart?
So..it's a 4 year deal
Do the Sox have arbitration rights after the 4th year? Anything?
That’s a short time frame for such a young guy.
My thoughts too
there is hope in that the deal was structured such that there was a big jump in the 4th year, which would be his first year of arbitration.
AIM: SouthSideCheat
Wouldn't he just be a FA? He came into the league as a FA, not through the draft.
Don't look back because we are going forward!
No
All international players come in as free agents.
He signed a major league deal, and thus that’s the concern; that he might have a clause like Contreras and Iguchi (and other older international guys) whereby they are declared free agents on November 15th (or some similar date) after their contract expires.
AIM: SouthSideCheat
So -- provided that clause isn't in there -- the Sox will control him for the normal six years?
or just four, because he was signed as a FA?
as cheat pointed out earlier, all international players (i.e., those not draft eligible) are signed as free agents.
it’s the major league contract that’s the issue, not his draft eligibility.
willy taveras free?
I like this quote
“Cuban baseball, I feel, is good baseball,” said Viciedo, who has talked about living with Ramirez or Contreras during Spring Training. “Alexei motivates me to work even a little harder. With him, what he did as motivation, I know I can be successful.”
number one when it mattered!
Pride.
I don't need to look at fancy stats
to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST
by omnipotent grab on Dec 12, 2008 6:12 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, kid, set a rookie record for GS's in a season
and it’s all gravy. Oh, and be 146 lbs. with wrists of steel, Mickey Mouse hands and the ability to reproduce at will.
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
are you describing larry?
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 12, 2008 7:24 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah he obliterated that
Old prestigious grand slam rookie record previously held by Shane Spencer of 3 circa 1998.
I am going to ask you one time, and i'm gonna ask you nice. Where the fuck is Ringo bitch.
Chrismas/Chanukkah/Kwaanza arrive early....
Charlie Haeger was non-tendered by the Padres—-let’s bring him back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
saito
is takashi saito one to go after? he was non-tendered
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
couldn't hurt....
larry has that system down to a science. Especially with the way the economy is….big wigs like larry coming in dressed in their mink coats and 24k gold cigarrete holders with pockets lined with coke make for a large draw during shift changes.
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 9, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Chuck James too
http://www.baseball-reference.com/j/jamesch03.shtml
seems like he fell off a clif in 2008
others http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/12/non-tendered-pl.html
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
joey gathright was non-tendered
ozzie wants joey!
http://hotstove.mlblogs.com/archives/2008/12/royals_nontender_bale_gathrigh.html
http://www.baseball-reference.com/g/gathrjo01.shtml
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
Some other interesting non-tenders...
- Daniel Cabrera. He’s certainly no worse than our current fifth starter candidates and Williams was rumored to be interested in the past, so we’ll see.
- Takashi Saito. If he’s healthy he’d give the Sox another good arm back there in case they do deal Jenks.
- Ty Wiggington. Somewhat surprised to see him non-tendered, although I can’t say I know much about the Astros’ financial situation. I bring him up not because I think the Sox will sign him, just because he looks like a pretty useful player. He’d certainly make a heckuva bench player.
all three would be interesting pieces
i’d really like to take cabrera, just because he’d be fun to watch (which is my hope for this season now, rather than something concrete). he’s a real life Wild Thing. maybe he just needs glasses!
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
Or some prescription goggles.
I don't need to look at fancy stats
to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST
by omnipotent grab on Dec 13, 2008 1:18 AM CST up reply actions
what do you think about chuck james colin?
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
extreme flyballer in the Cell isn't usually a good recipe.
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
Ty's numbers are damn nice.
He’s 31, 23 HRs, .876ops. That sounds like a pretty good 3B option to me.
www.stallingtheman.blogspot.com
his defense is as good as Josh Fields
that’s the sad thing
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by The Cheat on Dec 13, 2008 1:30 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
3rd base is the last place we're adding
we’ve got Fields competing with Viciedo backed up by Betemit
AIM: SouthSideCheat
Right.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 13, 2008 4:24 PM CST up reply actions
Saito is injured
He wasn’t able to prove health, so they dumped him
Yes on Cabrera though…. The O’s had him all screwed up, but I don’t think he’s a rotation candidate. Sure he’s better than [Starter Candidate 5] but he profiles to the bullpen. Has no 3rd pitch
AIM: SouthSideCheat
I would seriously look into Cabrera
and gathright as well i suppose. Saito is also good if he can prove his health but I doubt the Sox would bring him in.
Kenwo4life=ratings
agree with all but gathright
if we’re gonna chase one of the low-OBP burners it might as well be willy
sit*
not much difference between gathright's and taveras' OBPs
gathright http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=3913&position=OF
taveras http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1876&position=OF
BA http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=6144&position=OF
owens http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=6002&position=OF
wise http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1554&position=OF
after a brief look I didn’t find big differences
marcel’s wOBA projections show joey .302, tav .307, BA .305, jesse .307, wise .317
BA, jesse and joey have better UZR/150 scores
I didn’t spend time on it though and I probably missed something though…
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
PMR
2008 CF http://www.baseballmusings.com/archives/030095.php
BA 102.17, tav 101.98, joey 97.28
2007 CF http://www.baseballmusings.com/archives/023939.php
tav 103.52, jesse 97.75
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
How about Cooper working w/
Daniel Cabrera?
"I am not going out like SSH. "
by WTGTD, 12/3/08
I likey!
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 13, 2008 4:26 PM CST up reply actions
Hes fast you know?
I don't need to look at fancy stats
to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST
by omnipotent grab on Dec 13, 2008 1:09 AM CST up reply actions
and he can jump over cars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cySfw8f0beg
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
How many times must we repeat the same responses?
I don't need to look at fancy stats
to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST
by omnipotent grab on Dec 13, 2008 1:17 AM CST up reply actions
couldn't resist!
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
Jackson to join Farmer in Sox' radio booth
story is empty so far, there’s only the title
http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=257921
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
Well its not like he has anywhere else to go.
I don't need to look at fancy stats
to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST
by omnipotent grab on Dec 13, 2008 12:57 AM CST up reply actions
"the story is empty so far"
DJ: a memoir
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
by colintj on Dec 13, 2008 1:15 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
You were high when you posted this, weren't you?
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
ONE. REALLY. BAD. BROADCAST. TEAM .
"I am not going out like SSH. "
by WTGTD, 12/3/08
not empty link
http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2008/12/jackson-to-retu.html
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
[reiteration of ballyb's sentiments here]
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Dec 14, 2008 12:41 AM CST up reply actions
Does anyone think Chris Capuano will be decent in 09?
He did just have tommy john surgery, but he’ll probably be cheaper than MacDougal. Ha.
www.stallingtheman.blogspot.com
no?
larry has that system down to a science. Especially with the way the economy is….big wigs like larry coming in dressed in their mink coats and 24k gold cigarrete holders with pockets lined with coke make for a large draw during shift changes.
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 9, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
not yet
but if you have him for more than 1 year well worth the risk.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
For a blog that was posted yesterday
and Considering he is out television guy… this blog is riddled with out of date information and Typo’s
I thought punto got more than 2.5 mil a year
Carl Farnsworth
Burnett had already signed.
http://www.stevestone.com/stevesPitch.html
I am going to ask you one time, and i'm gonna ask you nice. Where the fuck is Ringo bitch.
I am sure it is written as, "as told to by Steve".
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 13, 2008 4:28 PM CST up reply actions
some familiar names in the A's organization...
There prospect list is pretty tough….
I think that i would take the rangers minor league system over oaklands though…
I am going to ask you one time, and i'm gonna ask you nice. Where the fuck is Ringo bitch.
If the Rangers can manage their farm the way the Rays have, they will be so damn good. And they’ll have an easier time because of how weak the AL West is.
an easier time beating up on the mariners and a's, maybe
though it would be fun to see the angels sweat out a division championship
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Dec 13, 2008 1:38 PM CST up reply actions
Short notice...but if you are on here Kenny Williams
is coming on the score at 1230 with Rongey
Kenwo4life=ratings
kenny: they ask me why don't you spend the money you would've spent on torii?
because we never had that money, we were hoping torii would bring additional revenue that would’ve cover his contract
now he’s polishing lilibridge’s knob…
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
It is funny he answered the question I posed...
wonder if they hire people to take the pulse of the fan base?
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 13, 2008 5:06 PM CST up reply actions
kenny
play http://www.670thescore.com/topic/play_window.php?audioType=Episode&audioId=3199118
download http://podcast.670thescore.com/wscr/1480314.mp3
RSS feed http://www.670thescore.com/pages/podcast/53027.rss
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
better look
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 13, 2008 4:32 PM CST up reply actions
Interesting...
He said Fields and Getz will get a chance to play everyday. No mention of JO or any other 2nd base candidate.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 13, 2008 4:36 PM CST up reply actions
Nick Swisher for Jeff Marquez, Betimet, and Viciedo.
Dollar for 75 cents. oops, dollar for dollar.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 13, 2008 4:48 PM CST up reply actions
good look
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 13, 2008 4:32 PM CST up reply actions
If only there were a picture somewhere
of someone licking a lollipop
I am going to ask you one time, and i'm gonna ask you nice. Where the fuck is Ringo bitch.
I don't need to look at fancy stats
to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST
by omnipotent grab on Dec 13, 2008 1:10 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
also
I don't need to look at fancy stats
to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST
by omnipotent grab on Dec 13, 2008 1:14 PM CST up reply actions
best yet
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 13, 2008 4:33 PM CST up reply actions
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Dec 13, 2008 2:22 PM CST up reply actions
larry has that system down to a science. Especially with the way the economy is….big wigs like larry coming in dressed in their mink coats and 24k gold cigarrete holders with pockets lined with coke make for a large draw during shift changes.
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 9, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That Bape fad died out quickly didn't it
I’ve heard over 90 percent of it in the US is fake… wouldn’t surprise me either
probably because theres only
like two Bape stores in the country
larry has that system down to a science. Especially with the way the economy is….big wigs like larry coming in dressed in their mink coats and 24k gold cigarrete holders with pockets lined with coke make for a large draw during shift changes.
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 9, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
damned that worked so well...
let’s try again… now if only someone had naked pictures of their wife
I am going to ask you one time, and i'm gonna ask you nice. Where the fuck is Ringo bitch.
does larrys mom count ?
larry has that system down to a science. Especially with the way the economy is….big wigs like larry coming in dressed in their mink coats and 24k gold cigarrete holders with pockets lined with coke make for a large draw during shift changes.
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 9, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
show some respect
the lady’s presence guarantees white sox winners.
if you have pictures of his wife, though, that’s completely fair game. i’m unaware of any win guarantee surrounding her.
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Dec 13, 2008 2:26 PM CST up reply actions
An idea....
let’s get Daniel Cabrera and turn him into a closer……and deal Bobby.
do you know how many guys cabrera walks...
i think 80% of the leadoff men in the ninth would get on via BB
larry has that system down to a science. Especially with the way the economy is….big wigs like larry coming in dressed in their mink coats and 24k gold cigarrete holders with pockets lined with coke make for a large draw during shift changes.
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 9, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
nevermind i actually like that idea now that i think about it...
larry has that system down to a science. Especially with the way the economy is….big wigs like larry coming in dressed in their mink coats and 24k gold cigarrete holders with pockets lined with coke make for a large draw during shift changes.
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 9, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sox currently over-budget according to KW
And that’s without the arb raise to Jenks.
To me, that means dealing Dye frees up very little money. I would expect that someone besides Dye needs to dealt which leaves at least one of Jenks, Buehrle, and Dotel on the block I would think.
I would imagine he has the Jenks arb figured in his assessment
While it’s unknown what the final figure will be it’s pretty simple to ballpark in the $5+M range
AIM: SouthSideCheat
It's hard from the radio to tell
Also, “a little over” is pretty vague. Either way, the Sox will shed more salary — KW said he wasn’t under pressure to get under budget right now. But I think that just means that there’s time left and he’s not against the wall yet. Really, I think he’s being honest about this and it means at least 2 things:
1) That one of Dye or Jenks are almost almost a lock to move.
2) That the FA signings following such a move are not going to be high profile. Which means no Abreu. The Sox need a SP and CF so I’d think Willy T and something Cabrera-esque (although he’s maybe too pricey).
I’d be unsurprised to to see Owens and a more established “leadoff man” in the OF together batting 9 and 1 respectively.
by hitlesswonder on Dec 13, 2008 6:57 PM CST up reply actions
I fear for Che, one day he might just be missing and we'll find out that Dayan has gained 30 lbs overnight.
I don't need to look at fancy stats
to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST
by omnipotent grab on Dec 13, 2008 5:43 PM CST up reply actions
cubans don't eat brother cubans
too proud
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
Oh, than the grinders should be scared.
I don't need to look at fancy stats
to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST
by omnipotent grab on Dec 13, 2008 5:47 PM CST up reply actions
no no, dayan. we meant the sandwich. not the dirt encrusted tiny white man at the end of the bench.
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
colin, what's the url of your "white sox thingy" spreadsheet?
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
nothing in particular
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
feel free to c/p stuff you want
so you can edit it for yourself. i fiddle with everything constantly and not that scientifically. the idea is to learn why you’re doing what you’re doing and i’m reading Tango’s blog to try to get this stuff down. this is a really informative thread.
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
big, big like the big hurt
how does his swing look?
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
To the untrained eye, VG.
But I noticed he hit a few balls (one a real shot) to the right side. Gotta get Walker on that quickly.
"I am not going out like SSH. "
by WTGTD, 12/3/08
not really enough to say.
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
well he definitely lands on a stiff front leg
gets big separation between his hands and hips and swings pretty hard. the one national team clip had him sending a fastball shoulder eye into the seats, an impressive feat freals.
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
I love this...
I thought he looked really good…
It looked like he hit a lot of game winners… and he must drive in a lot of runs.
He didn’t have an errors at 3rd base in the video i watched….
He was just killing and i mean killing the soft toss….
seriously… this reminds me of when iguchi signed and people were breaking down his swing from grainy you tube videos.
I prefer to trust the scouts and slate him in as our # 3 prospect…. with potential to be our # 1
The only thing i saw from the video is that he could be a beast of a man… Huge shoulders and looked very fluid borderline athletic. If that was recent video he doesn’t really look like he needs to drop that much weight.
Can’t wait for some spring training action..
I am going to ask you one time, and i'm gonna ask you nice. Where the fuck is Ringo bitch.
scott brosius looked like he hit a lot of game winners, too
…and i think he’s available. i’m fine to trust the scouts and whatnot, but i’d rather not count on the idea that he “must” drive in bunches of runs and that youtube isn’t rife with videos of him making errors.
he's massive for 19 years old
not that I know what I’m talking about, but that bat swing looks really sweet.
number one when it mattered!
the big smouth
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
no, i matured into a 6'1" white guy. mother nature is a mad scientist.
Cashing checks and having sex.
shouldn't you be out on the piss by now?
must be getting to that time your way by now? any discounts on at the Pink Monkey tonight?
number one when it mattered!
nice clip
thanks
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 13, 2008 9:16 PM CST up reply actions
He does not look that fat
But Christ is he big. Looks like a basketball player at 3B. His swing looks very strong too.
by JoeCoolMan24 on Dec 14, 2008 12:37 AM CST up reply actions
yea I don't think he looks fat either.
Just a big boy IMO.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 15, 2008 10:17 AM CST up reply actions
he's a damn beast
solid swing
takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm
This guy looks
like a mixture of the Big Hurt and Carlos Lee. My god did you see that shot to right field? The ball absolutely flies off of his bat. I have a feeling I am going to like this guy.
Kenwo4life=ratings
Reminds Me Of . . .
The young Albert Pujols – huge, slightly rounded, right-handed third baseman with big-time thump. Please note, I’m not saying he is going to hit anything like Albert. I’m not even sure Viciedo is going to make the majors. But, just looking at him, there are physical similarities.
To hell with caution. Should I make my reservations for the Cooperstown induction in 2034 or 35?
I don't remeber Pujols ever looking round.
Maybe it’s his near perfection as a hitter for that many consecutive years plus that time I saw him at PETCO from behind home plate, but I’ve always though of Pujols as an Adonis type.
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
that and because you're gay.
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Dec 14, 2008 5:00 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Someone had to say it - for the 300th time.
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
YW.
Never doubt me. I’m Superman – I never lie.
Does it fit?
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
I knew it!
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 14, 2008 8:53 PM CST up reply actions
he was
fairly chubbly as a 20 year old, IIRC. This was partly why he fell to the thirteenth round, I think.
by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 14, 2008 5:01 PM CST up reply actions
He was a draft and follow
You don’t really draft and follow, same JUCO conference as Buehrle (38th)… Those guys usually aren’t taken until day 2 — give them another year of play, during which you don’t have to pay them, then decide — Both Buehrle and Pujols received bonuses significantly above their slot (though I don’t know what either figure is)… The Sox and Cards both new they had something when they signed them…
AIM: SouthSideCheat
I'm tired...
Of hearing williams talk about the “budget”.It was always If sox fans filled up the park they would put the money it back in the team….Why arn’t they saying that now?I also,remember williams talking like a badass after the sox got knock out by the rays saying he knows what he needs to do next year to make us better…So,I guess all we needed was canadiate
John Danks=Man Crush.
I agree. every year its the same song and dance.
So Jerry told him to trim the payroll by 50 million dollars this year? Thats Marlin-like. (other than the fact the marlins never spend 50 million to begin with).
Kenwo4life=ratings
In true Swish tradition
Why so serious?
by reardenmettle on Dec 13, 2008 9:22 PM CST up reply actions
it will never die
White Sox first baseman Paul Konerko is again a consideration for the Angels, who worked hard to sign him three years ago.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/chi-081213-phil-rogers-baseball,0,3055131.column
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
We get chone, kotchman and garland?
I don't need to look at fancy stats
to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST
by omnipotent grab on Dec 13, 2008 11:58 PM CST up reply actions
garland an FA right?
sub in adenhardt
"KenWO
no point in arguing with people who are blinded from reality..."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 29, 2008 6:49 PM
Had your funny bone removed?
I don't need to look at fancy stats
to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST
by omnipotent grab on Dec 14, 2008 12:34 AM CST up reply actions
yeah, esp since kotchman isn't on the Angels anymore...
Why so serious?
by reardenmettle on Dec 14, 2008 12:47 AM CST up reply actions
for realz.
I don't need to look at fancy stats
to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST
by omnipotent grab on Dec 14, 2008 1:03 AM CST up reply actions
well i thought i was going along with the joke
considering the quality prospect adenhart is considered to be
"KenWO
no point in arguing with people who are blinded from reality..."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 29, 2008 6:49 PM
show was awesome
shook hands with ghostface, masta, and u-god. my namesake also gave me a free cd and i hugged cappodonna
sit*
That's pretty sweet.
Did they play a lot of 8 Diagrams stuff, or just a big mix of everything. I saw Ghostface and GZA separately this summer, and they were both awesome. Ghostface did Shimmy Shimmy Ya, which was sweet.
www.stallingtheman.blogspot.com
nothing from 8 diagrams
they did shimmy shimmy ya and the place went nuts. it was a huge mix of everything with a lot of stuff from the solo cds getting thrown in like ice cream and liquid swords. it was pretty badass. hell of a show for my first concert.
sit*
That's kinda weird,
considering this is their post-8 diagrams tour. I do have to give it to them: they perform the songs their fans like. They’re not trying to pull some Beastie Boys stuff where they just don’t play songs they’re tired of cough Brass Monkey cough.
I love Ice Cream. Probably my top 5 Wu songs.
www.stallingtheman.blogspot.com
who wants to read some stupid, ahem, analysis?
To truly assess Flowers’ prospect value, one simply can’t ignore the following information:
1. Shortly after the calendar turns to 2009, Flowers will be 23 and will not have an at bat above A+ ball. In comparison, Delmon Young is four months older than Flowers and has logged well over 1300 big league at bats. (thanks for the totally irrelevant comparison; in comparison, my left forearm currently itches)
2. While Flowers currently plays catcher, from everything I’ve read, I would put the odds of him remaining behind the plate at 70/30 against. ( charter member: future oddsmakers of america) A move to first base means the power isn’t a bonus, it’s a must sapping much of his additional perceived value.
3. The Braves traded him QUICKLY after the end of the AFL! This is huge as the deal reeks of the Braves selling high and jumping at an opportunity to land a 200 inning workhorse without dealing Freeman, Heyward, Hanson, or Schafer. (considering KW’s history, blind squirrel may have found nut)
4. Flowers STILL ranked in the bottom quarter of Baseball America’s top 20 AFL prospects. (who cares?)
5. I have not read a single analysis of Flowers’ performance saying his stock has significantly risen post AFL as he was, and still is a borderline top 100 player. (that’s because that would be a really stupid thing to write; how many times can a guy re-state the same point about the AFL, just slightly different…?).
6. AFL statistics can be misleading as Eugenio Velez and Sam Fuld were two of the breakout performers from the 2007 AFL season. While both are not the prospects Flowers is, it’s a good indicator of how misleading AFL output can be. (apparently, four times)
When combining his .291/.400/.488 career minor league line, AFL performance, and anecdotal information, I’m left agreeing with most prospect analysts who consider him a borderline top 100 player even after his dominating fall. At this point, too many question marks surround Flowers to consider him an elite talent.
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2008/12/13/691422/don-t-believe-the-hype-tyl
willy taveras free?
wow, there's more analysis in the music threads than in that post
by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 14, 2008 3:30 PM CST up reply actions
Phil Rogers has relatives who write?
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
While the writing reeks with attitude, I don't think the conclusion is wrong
The consensus of stuff I read was that Flowers was a B/B- prospect unlikely to stick behind the plate. He’s hasn’t faced a significant amount of advanced pitching yet. My opinion is crap, but saying he’s borderline 100 seems eminently reasonable to me. And his age is an issue — is Soto a better comparison? He was more advanced at Flowers age as well.
by hitlesswonder on Dec 14, 2008 6:42 PM CST up reply actions
interview with richard dotson, former sox pitcher and charlotte pitching coach
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=8368
David Laurila: Comparing eras, how did pitching in the 1980s differ from today?
Richard Dotson: From my perspective, gosh, the cutter is a little bit bigger pitch now than it used to be. I mean, there were guys who threw somewhat of a cutter, or a small slider, but I see that as being used more now. I’d say that the style of pitching in the ’60s, ’70s, and ’80s included a lot more drop-and-drive type of guys, sort of along the lines of Tom Seaver, as far as his delivery to the plate—you know, the emphasis on using your legs. We still try to use the legs, but as far as the posture of the pitcher, at least here with the White Sox, we try to emphasize staying taller and creating an angle to the plate instead of actually kind of almost pushing the ball, which certain guys can do. Other than that, pitching is what it is.
willy taveras free?
Hey Colin
I’m heading up to AA from Thur-Sat afternoon, anything going on around campus?
"KenWO
no point in arguing with people who are blinded from reality..."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 29, 2008 6:49 PM
it's finals and then winter break
so it should be a weird mix of somber, wild and then vacant. eventswise? i haven’t checked because i’m just trying to survive this week, but check out the schedules (via google) at the michigan theater, the blind pig, the ark, and whatever michigan sports you might be into. i suggest hockey first and foremost and then basketball (is it sexist to assume you know i mean men’s? but why would i mean women’s? is that sexist?…fucking finals). anything else in particular you mean?
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
thanks
I figured there probably wouldn’t be much going on with finals in progress, but i’m arriving the day law school finals end so at least there will probably be some sort of year end party, etc. the basketball team is playing oakland in detroit so i think i’m passing on that, but hockey sounds like a solid option.
"KenWO
no point in arguing with people who are blinded from reality..."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 29, 2008 6:49 PM
Off topic...
Kanye killed (in a good way) Heartless on SNL last night. Crazy talented!
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 14, 2008 2:37 PM CST reply actions
Not a fan AT ALL
I think his new CD is the worst of the year. I might mention that when I write up my best album of the year story on Gapers Block.
Top 5 albums:
1.Los Campesinos
2.Lykke Li
3.Bon Iver
4.The Cool Kids
5.Harvey Milk
www.stallingtheman.blogspot.com
lol
Not a fan eh? Any particular reason why? HIs last 3 cds before this are classics. BTW you have to listen to it over and over. Plus mixing the advance versions with the retail version, adds a lot to the cd.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 14, 2008 9:03 PM CST up reply actions
i liked 808s a lot
I like how it came out the same week as Chinese Democracy, and instead of taking Kanye 20 years, it took him 2 weeks.
I agree, 808s is a great CD
You can’t go into expecting the same ’old Kanye.
by JoeCoolMan24 on Dec 14, 2008 10:51 PM CST up reply actions
You know, I like Kanye
I think he’s a fantastic producer and has a great ear for music. However, his new CD sounds like Akon singing to Graduation. If anyone else released this, people would think it sucked. Since Kanye did it, everyone is praising him for “expanding his horizons”. I’m not buying it. The beats are nice though.
www.stallingtheman.blogspot.com
I would say the opposite
A lot of people I have talked to really hate it BECAUSE it is Kanye and it sounds nothing like him. I also, was one of those people until I listened to the CD a couple more times and started to really like it.
by JoeCoolMan24 on Dec 15, 2008 7:25 AM CST up reply actions
I feel that way about LIL Wayne's cd.
I expect hard from him (no homo), yet I get lollipop (pun intended)?
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 15, 2008 10:22 AM CST up reply actions
have you heard the advance copy yet?
If not, I can email it to you, or give you a link to download it.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 15, 2008 10:21 AM CST up reply actions
while the critcs panned it, i actually dig it
if you acknowledge that most of kanye’s lyrics are his usual whiny self-centered ego-stroking, the cd comes off as pretty solid. not a lot of artists in that area go that experimental, imo. it’s nothing earth-shattering, but it’s an interesting (to me, at least) venture into what can be done from a minimalist perspective.
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Dec 15, 2008 12:36 AM CST up reply actions
Yankees sign Journo who threw shoes at Bush
Multi-year deal includes restitution to journo for Bush destroying his country
The first shoe would have been a direct forehead smash...
the second one….not so close.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into 9 innings.
Bush looked like a young Leon Spinks with the head-bob left....
of course I’m speaking of Leon Spinks in his prime.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into 9 innings.
bush looked good. agile reflexes. really kept his head on a swivel in the middle of a nasty shoe fight.
Cashing checks and having sex.
this world
it is just too funny. i just can’t take it seriously anymore
by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 14, 2008 5:30 PM CST up reply actions
seriousness
and lack of self awareness are gold mines
"KenWO
no point in arguing with people who are blinded from reality..."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 29, 2008 6:49 PM
nail on the head
without a doubt
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into 9 innings.
golden!
He was smirking when he was ducking!!!!!
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 15, 2008 10:24 AM CST up reply actions
way to state the obvious.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 14, 2008 9:05 PM CST up reply actions
Is it 1996?
Damn we can still save Tupac!
What do you see in a 14 ppg with no jumper that makes one think he will be better than a 26ppg\ 12rpg guy? Is there some kind of magic formula that tells you 14 > 26??
by Dabullsfan on Jul 1, 2008 10:19 AM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 14, 2008 10:45 PM CST up reply actions
willy t
Free agent Willy Taveras has received interest from Cincinnati, Washington and the Chicago White Sox.
http://www.denverpost.com/rockies/ci_11227465
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
So, Taveras would actually cost money....
I’m thinking I’d actually rather see Owens play CF instead of throwing $2-$3M Willy’s way. Would it be more? Punto got $4M per year, so maybe….
by hitlesswonder on Dec 14, 2008 7:29 PM CST up reply actions
if Willy only gets 2-3M, he'd be a pretty good deal.
i’d throw him into the CF mix.
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
really? $3M? i guess it could happen. i'm gonna say $2M is the number. and fuck it, i'd take a shot on him at that cost.
Cashing checks and having sex.
Nick Punto is making $4
There are 4 teams interested in Willy. $2M seems like reasonable guess….
by hitlesswonder on Dec 14, 2008 9:16 PM CST up reply actions
i guess...i just keep looking at his numbers...and punto's...it's just that they both pretty much suck.
there is no reason nick punto should be making $4M. none. i don’t think that should be used as a barometer for taveras’ worth.
Cashing checks and having sex.
paying 4M at a market rate gets you 1 WAR.
Punto can apparently play a solid shortstop, as well as Uribe in fact. Supply of such talent is in demand.
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
last year was the only year that punto played more than 1/3 of his games at SS.
can you even be sure in 168 career games at SS that he is a solid SS? and would you give him 2 yrs/ $8M with that amount of evidence and a career 74 OPS+?
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Dec 14, 2008 10:51 PM CST up reply actions
by the way, here's the number of games that punto has played each year at SS since his first callup in 2001:
1, 1, 7, 11, 34, 26, 27, 61.
i’m calling horseshit on the deal, and punto as well.
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Dec 14, 2008 10:55 PM CST up reply actions
Check his fangraphs card and tell me what his skillset profiles best at. I see a stellar defender with no bat. What does that sound like to you?
The math says a replacement level offense for a +5 run SS is a ~ .272 wOBA. Punto’s career wOBA is .294, 1 win per full season better. 1 win above replacement went last year for $4.4M. The Sox paid Uribe 4.5M to be a utility INF.
Are we sure he’s that good at short? No. We’ve got 1/3 of the sample we’d like to be certain, but between the fans (included in CHONE) and the assorted metrics, he consistently scores well. I’m sure the Twins have self scouted that one. The Sox don’t know for sure that Alexei is going to be adequate at short, but again, there’s decent enough evidence and I’m sure they scouted it.
It isn’t the best deal ever, but the Twins are looking at guys like Ty Wiggington right now after whiffing on Casey Blake. I don’t think there’s a serious opportunity cost for them here because their sights are set so low. I will say that a tiny all-hustle type like Punto is probably an injury risk, especially at 32. If he only gets 300 AB, all at short, they still haven’t vastly overpaid.
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
The risk is that Punto hits like he did in 2007 or 2005
He’s a fine defensive player at 3 positions. But he’ll hurt them if he’s posting an OPS around .600. If he hits like last season and plays SS, he’s worth the money.
by hitlesswonder on Dec 15, 2008 9:39 AM CST up reply actions
The fascination with Punto on this site is fascinating.
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
and i would say he's probably not worth the money since his "acceptable" seasons
have generally been years in which his babip is well above his career average. of course, he seems to be one of those players who probably has decent “intangible” value outside of his baseball value since he’s the type who dives into first base and, thus, is a favorite of fans and the media alike.
willy taveras free?
last season he was as good as OC
normally he’s a 1ish WAR player. that’s worth 4M.
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
I think one point being missed is that when you have a
2008 payroll of approx $55M, you can’t spend $4M+ on utility infielders. Maybe their payroll pushes $60M this year (he is part of the reason) . . . but I don’t think this is money well spent. I think it is stretching it to make a case he is 1 win above replacement . . .
they need a left side of the infield
is there a SS/3B combo you like better?
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
They have Buscher at 3rd, right?
So, they could resign Harris to place SS for less than that . . . sign Uribe as the RH platoon with Buscher for at 3rd . . . their are other internal options as well . . . Luke Hughes, Steven Tolleson . . . would have to jump AAA, but I sure wouldn’t be signing a utility IF to a 2 year deal. I’m pretty sure there are more than that as well as I just gave it a curosry glance . . . plus, that doesn’t even address the trade market either.
Buscher...
Hope he is a good defender!
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 15, 2008 11:24 AM CST up reply actions
sounds like you're on to something.
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
i understand the concept of the sunk cost
but if you want to get to the root of the issue, bartlett and garza for harris and young is it atm.
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
if he's playing 150 games in CF, he's worth at least 2.5 million.
but if we’re just collecting 4th OFs and he’d be willing to be paid as such, perhaps less. but there are plenty of teams that need CF on the cheap.
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
Really? at $2M or $3M I wouldn't want to see the Sox get him.
Looking over his stats, I’d guess healthy you’d see a .330 OBP and sub .700 OPS in a good year. With plus CF defense.
If the Sox are currently over budget, I’d rather see them spend the money on a vet starter.
by hitlesswonder on Dec 14, 2008 7:46 PM CST up reply actions
Don't want
even if he does have a .330 OBP, he’s still probably in line to be leadoff hitter, which would be bad. They have similar production already for cheaper.
by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 14, 2008 8:13 PM CST up reply actions
spent on a starter?
No confidence in our scouting?
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 15, 2008 10:34 AM CST up reply actions
larry
If you have yet to see my response in the Leaving Las Vegas thread ^
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 14, 2008 9:07 PM CST up reply actions
much better arm.
a lot faster too.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 14, 2008 9:08 PM CST up reply actions
Hows his REWARD?!
I don't need to look at fancy stats
to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST
by omnipotent grab on Dec 14, 2008 9:13 PM CST up reply actions
He is who we think he is?
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 15, 2008 10:31 AM CST up reply actions
Kotchman, Chone and Garland plz
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
+1
I don't need to look at fancy stats
to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST
by omnipotent grab on Dec 14, 2008 7:23 PM CST up reply actions
hideki okajima "completes" marathon in over 6 hours.
Hey larry, since you hate Owens, I assume you would like to see Taveras sign...
Do you think we would for sure have to move either Dye or Jenks to be able to sign Willy T.? If so, do you think signing him would be worth losing one of our core guys even though we may net a reasonable return for either? THX in advance.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 15, 2008 10:29 AM CST up reply actions
Then I imagine with our current roster you would like to see Getz lead off and JO bat 9th?
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 15, 2008 10:35 AM CST up reply actions
JO or BA?
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 15, 2008 10:36 AM CST up reply actions
Ok, KW mentioned that we have a logjam of infielders.
He said prospects will let him know when they’re ready blah blah blah. Say Beckham goes off in ST, do you think they would consider moving Che to CF? I am confused as to why KW paints himself into corners all the time. Is Che practicing both SS and CF this offseason incase Beckham shows he is ready? I feel that there is no place for Beckham on this team for the forseeable future…
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 15, 2008 10:50 AM CST up reply actions
3rd? Betemit, Fields and Viciedo?
SS Che, Beckham, Lillibridge
2b Getz, Nix, Lillibridge, Beckham
1b Kong, Flowers, Viciedo
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 15, 2008 10:58 AM CST up reply actions
CF: JO and BA
;X
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 15, 2008 11:01 AM CST up reply actions
betemit is a utility player. fields is a mediocre player. viciedo is 19.
ramirez has played one year in the majors. lillibridge is probably a utility player. getz is a rookie who may be a utility player. nix is an AAAA player who may be a utility player at the major league level. konerko will likely not be playing first base next year. flowers has never played above a ball.
i do not see a single player in that group who is good enough to block anyone at any position. this seems like a merit competition that will decide itself.
Point taken.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 15, 2008 11:07 AM CST up reply actions
could fields end up in 1st?
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
I say he either places or shows.
Not ready for first yet.
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
vg
I don't need to look at fancy stats
to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST
by omnipotent grab on Dec 15, 2008 5:58 PM CST up reply actions
do you think if we do sign him...
Dye or Jenks is for sure gone?
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 15, 2008 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
Screw Taveras...there is absolutely no reason
to not sign Daniel Cabrera…..plus one or two other free agents.
agreed
I feel we already have Taveras… ie JO -defense.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 15, 2008 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
Anderson should start short of getting someone better.
We need starting pitching and some assurance of production at AT LEAST one of the other question marks—- cf, second and third.
Nick Punto?
;X
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 15, 2008 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
Should start?
I am not that confident that BA is an everyday player just yet. Should compete for a spot? Yes.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 15, 2008 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
Well.. regardless if he’s an every day player, he’s done nothing to show that he isn’t a better player than our other options, which is all that matters.
If the best option is bad, that doesn’t mean he isn’t the best option. He’s better than Jerry Owens, he should start, it’s as simple as that.
by Grinder in Training on Dec 15, 2008 12:53 PM CST up reply actions
If Beckham makes a statement in ST.
Then your best option is to move Che out there no?
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 15, 2008 1:08 PM CST up reply actions
regardless of any statements, admissions, declarations, narratives, averments, proclamations, manifestos
gordon beckham may make in ST, it will have no bearing on where ramirez is playing. he’s the SS next year.
Because for a million or so
he’s worth the risk….maybe we can even make him a bullpen guy. If he costs much more than that, then no. My bigger point is…..we nneed starting pitching.
so cost is apparently another reason to not sign daniel cabrera, huh.
we’ve got two now. any more you care to disclose?
All of the obvious performance-related ones....
which is why I wouldn’t go to high with the salary. He’s worth the risk.
Stop being like that lar,' it's not very becoming.....
especially when you get the point. Have any ideas….I’d like to hear them.
let our young starters compete for the spot?
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 15, 2008 11:36 AM CST up reply actions
are we playing in fantasyland again?
everything i’ve heard and seen suggests the team doesn’t have much, if any, payroll left. i can’t really see anything i’d do in such a situation. maybe JR will let KW spend a couple million bucks on a second or third tier free agent in january when the prices drop. either way, it seems i’d be standing pat now.
Hawk likes him?
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 15, 2008 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
I would rather give one of our young guys a chance first.
I thought Poreda was close to being ready? Marquez? Why not see what these guys do in ST before you go pulling the trigger on extra salary obligations.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 15, 2008 11:27 AM CST up reply actions
Cabrera's probably not a good investment, but choosing Marquez/Poreda/Richard is punting on 2009
Which is fine. Sometimes, a team simply isn’t in position to compete. But if you have a rotation with Richard and Marquez it doesn’t make any sense to keep Dye and Jenks. And ditching Dotel would be good as well. They aren’t going to contend.
If the Sox want to try to string together some kind of competitive team, the need to sign or acquire a SP with a reasonable chance not sucking. Cabrera is not that guy I think. Something more like the El Duque signing would be better (Pedro?), there you had an older guy with an injury history but someone who had demonstrated competence in the past.
Giving a rotation spot to Marquez isn’t the same giving it to someone like Cueto. There are young guys that have a good chance to pitch effectively. Marquez is not one of them and Richard really isn’t either. The Sox don’t have the prospects to fill 2 rotation spots from their minor league system.
by hitlesswonder on Dec 15, 2008 1:12 PM CST up reply actions
remember, we got a guy named coop!
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 15, 2008 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
what free agents would you like to sign dante?
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 15, 2008 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
Hard to answer specifically.....
It just doesn’t appear to me we can have anopening day lineup that’s as competitive as we’d like without looking at spending some money in free agency…..that said, I am OK with cutting payroll slightly…say 98-108 mil.
Pretty much there right
now without spending money in FA, so then you must be okay with not signing FA’s either.
Take it easy...
jc is friggin hilarious! Anyone who comes at cheat the way he did deserves recognition on this page.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 15, 2008 1:12 PM CST up reply actions
Actually, I didn't . . .but I appreciate your concern on behalf of Dante.
Just pointing out to our friend Dante that they are already in ‘his’ payroll range without signing the FAs he claims we need to stay competitive as ’we’d’ like. Just playing a little devil’s advocate with him and the non mutually exclusive statements he made.
I was actually interested in finding out what FA signings would make us ‘competitive’ and stay in that range . . .
Haha . . . you make me laugh. Baiting me into games 5 year olds play
funny man you are, funny man.
if you 2 weren't my best friends,
I don’t want to know what I would do to you!
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 15, 2008 5:41 PM CST up reply actions
Dad?
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 15, 2008 5:42 PM CST up reply actions
6.5 hours? That is pretty much walking the whole way. Maybe he was raising money for breast cancer.
Fer Chrissakes, this is a story? I’d be embarassed to see it in print if I was him. Self-immolation should be Option #1.
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
by winningugly on Dec 15, 2008 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
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