Chone Offensive Projections
by colintj on Dec 18, 2008 2:31 AM CST
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On first glance: Carlos is being viewed skeptically, which makes sense. If he does it again, there's no worries. And hes Q! so are there worries to begin with? No. No there are not. I haven't digested much else. They look somewhat pessimistic, I guess?
Also, I don't know if they have been park-adjusted or not. Per Tango it's still in beta and not everything's rolled out yet, for example, Sox pitchers aren't up. Chone's reputation is as good as PECOTA's and Nate Silver in this arena, so the massive grain of salt necessary for James and Marcel need not apply, but I'm not sure what league average is yet and other such pertinent details.
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I don't like these low expectations for Q! Don't you see the exclamation point?
I see he still leads in HBP, though.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Dec 18, 2008 10:08 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
i laughed when i saw that projection.
nobody even close. leads the team by 10. if that holds, i see him needing to go to the plate in full armor by the ASB.
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Dec 18, 2008 11:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Also, Wiz beat you in Fanshots, loser.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Dec 18, 2008 10:13 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
damn right!
where are my props colin?
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Dec 18, 2008 12:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
swing and a miss
where are my props colin?
someone is supposed to jump in here and reply ‘in the same place the getz interview is’
:p
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Dec 19, 2008 5:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ouch
.286 our leading hitter?
12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez
by The Deacon on Dec 18, 2008 10:13 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'd be more concerned
if his swing didn’t look so repeatable with the naked eye. Clearly I’m not a scout, but I don’t think he’ll have trouble hitting as long as he is healthy.
It wasn’t as if as the season went on pitchers figured him out or anything. He improved in the second half and he was considered a top prospect at one time before injuries. This isn’t a guy coming out of no where. I imagine the power numbers may go down a bit, but otherwise I don’t see anything to make me thing he won’t be Q! again next year.
by Grinder in Training on Dec 18, 2008 10:18 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
"He improved in the second half." Like W.O.W.
April/March PA 106 -- .302 .434 .616 1.050
May PA 123 -- .290 .366 .533 .899
June PA 113 -- .266 .381 .468 .849
July PA 113 -- .275 .345 .608 .953
August PA 110 -- .322 .464 .667 1.130
Once again, the key to formatting charts properly is? Help
"I am not going out like SSH. "
by WTGTD, 12/3/08
by ballyb on Dec 18, 2008 12:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Those strikethrus are PAs
"I am not going out like SSH. "
by WTGTD, 12/3/08
by ballyb on Dec 18, 2008 12:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was only saying
It wasn’t like he had a point where it looked like he was over matched, or that what he had done in the first half was a fluke. I was pointing to his consistency as a reason to believe what he did was legitimate and could be duplicated.
by Grinder in Training on Dec 18, 2008 12:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was agreeing w/ you.
He adjusted very well and finished his season strong.
Sorry for not making my agreement clear. Very difficult not being “off the chart” happy with Q!’s offensive stats.
"I am not going out like SSH. "
by WTGTD, 12/3/08
by ballyb on Dec 18, 2008 2:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough
I thought you were just replying sarcastically.
by Grinder in Training on Dec 18, 2008 3:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
use this:
[blockquote][pre] text goes here [/pre][/blockquote]
replace [ with < and replace ] with >
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Dec 18, 2008 12:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks.
"I am not going out like SSH. "
by WTGTD, 12/3/08
by ballyb on Dec 18, 2008 2:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
can I see an example?
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Dec 18, 2008 2:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i gotcha covered wiz
Apr/Mar PA 106 — .302 .434 .616 1.050
May PA 123 — .290 .366 .533 .899
June PA 113 — .266 .381 .468 .849
July PA 113 — .275 .345 .608 .953
August PA 110 — .322 .464 .667 1.130
"Those god damned Cubs get all of the publicity in this town." -George S. Halas, after the Babe's called shot and the Yankees sweep in the World Series, 1932.
by e-gus on Dec 18, 2008 5:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Furcal signs w/ Dodgers, contract interesting:
Furcal gets $6.5 million next season, $8.5 million in 2010 and $12 million in 2011. The deal includes a $12 million team option for 2012, and the option would become guaranteed if he has 600 plate appearances in 2011. He also can earn an additional $1 million annually, including the option year, if he remains healthy.
Only $6.5MM for 2009 ($7.5MM if healthy)? Not a bad deal for LA.
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
by winningugly on Dec 18, 2008 10:39 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
computers are stupid
no way Q hits .268 and 22 unless he’s still hurt. he would hit more than 22 bombs with his eyes closed, and still post an OBP of .330.
by Hatchetm on Dec 18, 2008 10:41 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Well, you just contradicted yourself.
Of course there is a way – if he’s hurt. He’s projected for 130 games. That means he’s projected to get hurt.
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
by winningugly on Dec 18, 2008 10:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
must be an amazing computer
to adjust per AB performance for a forecast injury. more than likely they just threw his 2006-2008 stats into the box and turned the crank.
by Hatchetm on Dec 18, 2008 11:06 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Or...
He’s been hurt consistently since he got to the big leagues?
by Grinder in Training on Dec 18, 2008 11:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
who are you?
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
by colintj on Dec 18, 2008 1:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
colin = the bad guy in "Pale Rider"
right before he gets shot by Clint Eastwood.
“WHO ARE YOU????” (Bang.)
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
by winningugly on Dec 18, 2008 3:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good flick
But the kung-fu axe handle scene was too much.
www.stallingtheman.blogspot.com
by Raf on Dec 18, 2008 4:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It was SUPPOSED to be a parody/over the top.
I love that flick.
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
by winningugly on Dec 18, 2008 4:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah - almost same power numbers as Q.
I don’t know whether to feel hopeful or cynical. Wait, I don’t feel anything – I am a MAN, baby!
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
by winningugly on Dec 18, 2008 11:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
thome should retire
~ 0.850 projected ops for a dh is unacceptable
i’m also disappointed that a projected SB/CS exists for che; this guy should not be given the green light period.
by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 18, 2008 12:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
hey now. I think he had, like, double-digits of SBs last year.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Dec 18, 2008 12:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
jerry owens he is not
jerry can steal 50 bags
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Dec 18, 2008 12:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Alexei could too
If he tried 150 times.
by Grinder in Training on Dec 18, 2008 12:44 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
+1 fo sho!
I don't need to look at fancy stats
to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST
by omnipotent grab on Dec 18, 2008 1:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hoytsstash just hopes Jerry can get on 50 times
to do just that…..
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into 9 innings.
by Hoytsstash on Dec 18, 2008 12:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It will be a long season
if these projections hold true.
My liver already hurts.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 18, 2008 12:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Some would call you a pessimist.
I prefer “lily-livered”. Man up!
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
by winningugly on Dec 18, 2008 12:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Konerko Pipe Dream
If Q does regress, Konerko isn’t a waste of space any more at first and makes up for it! .260 with 28 homers is a pipe dream for Paulie.
by Otter7 on Dec 18, 2008 12:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Why in the world is that a pipe dream?
He hit .240, and still had 22 HR’s in only 430 ABs. If he didn’t hit 28 home runs and near .260 I’d be stunned.
by Grinder in Training on Dec 18, 2008 12:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the home runs may be somewhat aggressive (though based upon his second half one could make a good argument). but the batting average seems easily attainable. his expected BA was around .280 last year. can you say bad luck?
by larry on Dec 18, 2008 1:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
a .244 BA/BIP rate
lowest in the AL with players with 500 PA’s, so looks like he was unlucky
number one when it mattered!
by hoodlight on Dec 18, 2008 1:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If Paulie hits .260-.270 he's good for 30 dongs, easy.
I think he’s a reasonable bounce-back candidate if his hand is healthy.
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
by winningugly on Dec 18, 2008 1:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and his hand sure looked healthy in aug-sept
by larry on Dec 18, 2008 1:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
His p-hand is strong.
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
by winningugly on Dec 18, 2008 1:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
day late with that one
only time i will have ever beaten you to something, so i have to enjoy it
sit*
by U-God on Dec 18, 2008 2:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i wasn't trying to post something for the first time.
"They will surely make fewer home runs," Guillen said. "Defense players and worthy pitchers will likely take over the protagonist's role."
by larry on Dec 18, 2008 2:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting choice of verbage, U.
“Beaten”. Sensitive guy, ain’t ya?
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
by winningugly on Dec 18, 2008 2:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he's good for 30 dongs, easy
/snickers
My Mom and Dad went to Oklahoma, and all they brought back for me was this signature.
by rhythm on Dec 18, 2008 2:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm uncomfortable with all the dong around here
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Dec 18, 2008 2:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't need to look at fancy stats
to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST
by omnipotent grab on Dec 18, 2008 2:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"so looks like he was unlucky"
or he’s the slowest guy in MLB. one or the other. haha.
by Hatchetm on Dec 18, 2008 1:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
because his lack of speed is a recent phenomenon.
i’d forgotten about those 9 infield hits back in 2006.
by larry on Dec 18, 2008 1:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he'll never be as slow as you
number one when it mattered!
by hoodlight on Dec 18, 2008 1:38 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
just as an FYI, while you're certainly correct in this case
being last in this is going to illustrate poor luck, let’s keep in mind that the best comparison should be to his career average babip, which i think is around .280ish. still, a .40 difference is substantial (though i’m not sure whether it would still rank him with the largest differential in the AL).
by larry on Dec 18, 2008 1:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
better to rank the difference between current and ave babip
but including players with less than 3 years experience in the rankings may not be so reliable
by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 18, 2008 1:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hardball times article re: BABIP
konerko stats at bottom.
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/batters-and-babip/
by Hatchetm on Dec 18, 2008 1:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"lowest in the AL with players with 500 PA’s"
Great stat.
"I am not going out like SSH. "
by WTGTD, 12/3/08
by ballyb on Dec 18, 2008 2:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Betimet looks like a good utility player from that projection
Much better than Uribe on offense.
by madvillian on Dec 18, 2008 12:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Assuming he is, in fact
a utility player next year
by onthemark12 on Dec 18, 2008 12:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
if the plan is rebuilding then they need to role with an infield of fields, ramirez, getz, kong
if fields or getz puts up a stinker in the first couple months than switch them with betimit, assuming the sox are still in contention
by madvillian on Dec 18, 2008 12:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You expect the race to be over in early June?
Even I am not that pessimistic.
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
by winningugly on Dec 18, 2008 1:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I should have said "competitive"
I mean, if the Sox are hovering around .500 and say Fields for example is hitting 200/250/380 then it might be smart to fill in Betemit, try to contend, and then find a 3B next year.
I’m not sure though. I’m actually happy as hell the Sox made the playoffs last year, and that has bought them a rebuilding year or two (if you count 2007 I guess) in my mind, including this next season.
by madvillian on Dec 18, 2008 2:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How many positions can Lillibridge play at once?
EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on Dec 18, 2008 1:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I bet he's hell on wheels at Twister.
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
by winningugly on Dec 18, 2008 1:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
As long as those positions
Involve him taking a roster spot from Jerry Owens as our designated pinch runner I’m happy with it.
by Grinder in Training on Dec 18, 2008 2:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wish we had Joey.
I don't need to look at fancy stats
to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST
by omnipotent grab on Dec 18, 2008 2:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be shocked if there wasn't a
semi-platoon with Betemit-Fields, at least to start the year. And by “semi-platoon” I don’t mean Fields sits against all righties, just that Fields sits against certain righties (maybe righties with av. fastball velcoity < 91?). Maybe give Fields 40% of the righty starts, so about 60% of the total 3B at bats. Betemit actually hits righties pretty good (.814 OPS last 3 yrs.) and should get a sig. chunk of those 3B ABs against righties.
larrys fortune cookie: you will learn much and have the advantage of not reading my pompous responses.
by bhoov on Dec 18, 2008 2:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting...
…think we could get Garland back on the cheap?
Heyman’s Latest: Dye, Garland
Heyman says the Reds, Braves, and Rays are still showing interest in Jermaine Dye.
He says the Dodgers, White Sox, and Mets “could be possibilities” for Jon Garland. A return to Chicago?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 18, 2008 2:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
oh god. no.
when you’re in the company of only the mets and dodgers, usually not a good thing.
"They will surely make fewer home runs," Guillen said. "Defense players and worthy pitchers will likely take over the protagonist's role."
by larry on Dec 18, 2008 2:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ned, Kenny and Omar walk into a bar...
….then I forgot the joke.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 18, 2008 2:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
here
The White Sox discussed Abreu, but that may only be if they trade Jermaine Dye.
• The Reds, Braves and Rays are still showing interest in Dye.
• The Dodgers, White Sox and Mets could be possibilities for Jon Garland, who’s two years younger than Burnett with a better lifetime record (106-89) but not nearly as coveted as a free agent.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/jon_heyman/12/18/heyman.scoop/1.html
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Dec 18, 2008 2:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would like the Abreu move
if we could get him for 2-years or less…and get some young pitching or some semblance of a CF’er.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 18, 2008 2:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Replace Dye with Abreu and a prospect?
Yuck.
So, if I am reading the two options correctly . . .
we can either a) keep dye or b) trade dye . . . is that you Phil Rogers?
by jc2313 on Dec 11, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply recommended Unrec 1
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 19, 2008 12:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i would be cool with garland back
by JoeCoolMan24 on Dec 18, 2008 2:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely better than [Starter Candidate 5]
I don't need to look at fancy stats
to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST
by omnipotent grab on Dec 18, 2008 2:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not for the price of a (Starter Cand 5).
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
by winningugly on Dec 18, 2008 2:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Times are tight right now, they can’t be throwing big money at #5 Starters. The economy is in the dumper and to contend with everything else in the marketplace the Sox are going to have to have $1.00 beer games (Tue – Sat Home games) and 50 cent (or $1.00 if you are lucky enough to have that much) Hot Dogs.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 18, 2008 2:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
all this $1.00 talk is making kenny jealous
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Dec 18, 2008 3:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think Kenny
uses that line when he buys his family Christmas presents? Because I was thinking about using it.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 18, 2008 3:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
aren't you on the south side? i take it you don't mix with your neighbors in bronzeville, then.
cultural thing.
"They will surely make fewer home runs," Guillen said. "Defense players and worthy pitchers will likely take over the protagonist's role."
by larry on Dec 18, 2008 3:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I used to be on the south side
I have moved to the near north side across from Cabrini Green…thus, NO mixing with neighbors.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 18, 2008 3:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
dude doesn't show the fire and the passion!
seriously though i hated that perpetual smirk he had while getting his brains beat in. i’d take him at the right price, which i’m afraid will be more than we have to offer.
by Hatchetm on Dec 18, 2008 2:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
sorry for not using the reply button
i’m talking about garland.
by Hatchetm on Dec 18, 2008 2:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm talkin' 'bout Shaft.
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
by winningugly on Dec 18, 2008 3:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought you were talking about De La Hoya?
Sack of garbage lost me the mortgage payment.
Are you saying Jonny G isn’t Chicago Tough?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 18, 2008 3:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you saying Jonny G isn’t Chicago Tough?
damn straight
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Dec 18, 2008 3:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He drank too much Chardonney as a kid in "Cali"
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 18, 2008 3:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd not take him at all
I prefer to give the ball to richard
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Dec 18, 2008 3:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
fifth starter, wiz. not fourth starter.
"They will surely make fewer home runs," Guillen said. "Defense players and worthy pitchers will likely take over the protagonist's role."
by larry on Dec 18, 2008 3:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ok, use poreda/egbert
no sense in paying garland $10+ mil
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Dec 18, 2008 3:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You'd take
Richard #4
Poreda/Egbert #5
compared to
Garland #4 (2-years at lets say a total of $15 million)
Richard #5
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 18, 2008 3:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Poreda and Richard will not be in the same rotation
one’s going to end up as the second lefty in the pen
AIM: SouthSideCheat
by The Cheat on Dec 18, 2008 3:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
indeed. and egbert shouldn't be allowed in a major league rotation at this point either.
"They will surely make fewer home runs," Guillen said. "Defense players and worthy pitchers will likely take over the protagonist's role."
by larry on Dec 18, 2008 3:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Egbert is just another name for [Starter Candidate 5] right now
Basically, If he’s not K-ing 1 batter per inning in Charlotte while posting a K/BB > 3 by the All-Star break, it’s probably time to remove him from the 40-man
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by The Cheat on Dec 18, 2008 3:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
so basically this whole starter candidate 5 thing is another name for masset.
"They will surely make fewer home runs," Guillen said. "Defense players and worthy pitchers will likely take over the protagonist's role."
by larry on Dec 18, 2008 3:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Unlike the Law of Masset
[Starter Candidate 5] will not abide by your silly rules.
AIM: SouthSideCheat
by The Cheat on Dec 18, 2008 3:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If Raffy Furcal is only getting an AAV of $10 million, I doubt Garland gets that much
Not that Furcal doesn’t come with his own concerns, but I’d be surprised if Garland even lands as much as his last deal with the Sox (3/$30, right?). I think the truly premium players (Sabathia, Tex) will get their money but other than that I think you’ll see a bit of a ‘market adjustment’.
by CWSKeith on Dec 18, 2008 3:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
I haven’t expressed a desire to bring Garland back, but that’s because his value is the ability to eat innings at a league average ERA. The Sox aren’t in a position to pay for such a pitcher right now.
I’m waiting for the market to crater. I’m know it would be dumb for the Sox to sign Garland now, given their apparent financial state. But by the time Groundhog Day rolls around, there’s a decent chance there are some bargains to be had out there, of which Garland may be one.
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by The Cheat on Dec 18, 2008 3:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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