Ruminations on Rumors (w/ Bonus Vazquez Rumor)
by The Cheat on Dec 2, 2008 4:39 PM CST
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Scanning Google Reader -- Suck it, Bloglines! -- over the past 24 hours, I came across a couple of related entries from two completely different type of sites. I thought about posting them separately as FanShots, but I thought they combined to frame a more robust discussion about the baseball rumor landscape.
In the first, Will Carrol, of Pete Rose reinstated and Washington Grays fame, as well as Baseball Prospectus' Under The Knife, recently announced that he would not be participating in the rumor mongering during the upcoming winter meetings (Dec. 8-11th). Not that I really care; as he says, the market is saturated with plenty of hard-working journos (both Carrol and Aaron Gleeman cite Ken Rosenthal in particular). No, I'm linking to his resignation from the rumor game because of the numbers he cites about the rumors themselves.
Paul DePodesta wrote that 25% of rumors have any basis in fact. I spoke with Andrew Friedman earlier this year and he gave a slightly higher number. I’d say that the number is higher still, probably about 50%. There’s some nugget of truth, some overheard conversation or leak, some good source talking out of school in — just a guess — half. About 25% is chatter - secondary things that aren’t quite right, people talking about things that never quite get to the real talking stage. I can remember a team saying they liked a guy and then a couple weeks later, that guy was in a trade rumor involving the team. It didn’t happen, but someone filled in the gap with something plausible. Not right, but not entirely wrong.
About 10% beyond that is trial balloons. They aren’t facts, but agents and teams like to get stuff out there and it’s useful to some extent, assuming you can pick apart the layers of anonymity. I’d argue there’s real value here in that it helps create action. In Moneyball, Peter Gammons was shown to be a go-between, an information clearinghouse for what teams were trying to do and there’s unquestionably a value there.
It’s the other 15% that’s worrisome. It’s the whole cloth, puff of smoke lies that throw everything off and give the whole process a bad name. I’ll split that into half "good" and half "evil" — the good smoke is just talking points, people throwing ideas on the wall and covering them in a thin candy shell of credibility. The evil smoke is designed to do something, to create action or in most cases, just attention. These seldom hold up very long, but they’re out there and worse, there’s some big name people that do this far too often, likely under pressure of deadline or an editor telling them to produce something.
The second comes from Gawker, the New York and media centric mega-blog, which uses the recent news that David Gregory will (read: may) take over at Meet The Press as a backdrop for a discussion on rumors and journalism on the internet.
In classic journalism, rumors had to be double-sourced before, say, a newspaper would run with them. So you get a tip, then you have to find some other person who would know to agree with it. That person should not be the original tipster. Pretty simple.
But everything is new and different now! Online "news" outlets are not all as professional as we are around here. Rumors pop up everywhere online, all the time. But here's the key difference between now and the old days: if a rumor is reported online, people tend to treat it as a rumor until it's reported somewhere else. Then, two places have it up separately, and ta-da! It's the internet version of double-sourcing. It doesn't necessarily require any enterprise on the part of lazier blogs—just wait until two places report it, and it's gold! No actual sources necessary!
How do the two relate? Well, without truly knowing the ins-and-outs--I'm just a blogger, remember--I'd argue that there is no Two-Scource-Rule for a baseball rumor. If it's whispered and can pass the smell test, it'll probably be written about, or at least re-whispered on the radio. But I'd also argue that we, as semi-functional basement-dwellers, have formed something of our own Two-Source-Rule. Take the Jermaine Dye Rumors, for instance.
Dye has been mentioned in regards to numerous teams, but the rumor that seems to have taken hold involves the Reds. Why? Because it's been written about by different outlets--Some Cinci radio station (not WKRP), The Enquirer, ChiSox.com, and the Trib--though all seem to be using a similar source, pointing back at the first source and adding Jockety's non-denial. So now it's a super-duper, 4-star, rhodium-plated rumor, because it has multiple sources....
And, I'll end that discussion there--even though I had more to say--because the Best-In-The-Business has a Hot-Off-The-Stove rumor for us.
The Braves, moving to address their starting pitching needs, are in serious discussions with the White Sox about a trade for right-hander Javier Vazquez, according to major-league sources.
The White Sox would receive as many three players in return. Left-hander Jo-Jo Reyes and infielder Brent Lillibridge are among the names under discussion, sources said.
[Update by The Cheat, 12/02/08 5:04 PM CST]: The opening line of Rosenthal's article now reads "The Braves, moving to address their starting pitching needs, are on the verge of acquiring right-hander Javier Vazquez from the White Sox, according to major-league sources." (emphasis added is mine)
[Update by The Cheat, 12/02/08 6:05 PM CST]: Rosenthal now says it's done pending physicals. Announcement Wednesday or Thursday. Players departing: Vazquez and Boone Logan. Players arriving: Brent Lillibridge (short, fast, scrappy, middle infielder with a hole in his swing), a young starter thought to be Charlie Morton (mediocre, uninspiring back-of-the-rotation candidate) and possibly Tyler Flowers (Power and plate discipline catcher, who just destroyed the AFL, but needs work behind the plate).
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Jo-Jo Reyes seems like a nice piece
But does him and Lillibridge plus whatever else make us a better team in ’09?
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these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.
by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 4:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
i don't think so
but all these moves sure would be making us young
It's all in the game
by U-God on Dec 2, 2008 4:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't been a fan of Lillibridge since I first heard of him when he was traded from the Pirates
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by The Cheat on Dec 2, 2008 4:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah i mean I'd be a lot happier about Reyes, but it can't hurt to have
some more depth up the middle, right?
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these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.
by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 4:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i just wonder who KW would be harvesting all these AAAA players to get
It's all in the game
by U-God on Dec 2, 2008 4:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't call Jo-Jo a AAAA guy, but you'd imagine
either an outfielder, or a 3B… meh its all such a mess as he has so many options on where he can add a piece…
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these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.
by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 4:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
4:53pm: Rosenthal now says the Braves are on the verge of acquiring Vazquez.
BOOM
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these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.
by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 5:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'll add the update
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by The Cheat on Dec 2, 2008 5:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hes like super fast right? (gay accent)
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these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.
by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 5:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Unlike Lillibridge, Blanco is a player I've been touting since he was on the same Venezuelan team as Sweeney and Anderson
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by The Cheat on Dec 2, 2008 5:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and like Lillibridge,
he isn’t all that great
by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 2, 2008 5:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's Ty Cobb compared to Lillibridge
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by The Cheat on Dec 2, 2008 5:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he stabs elevator operators?
It's all in the game
by U-God on Dec 2, 2008 5:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hes got a nice career OBP... if he managed to get any sort of power he looks like he'd be a solid player
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these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.
by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 5:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
From teh Google
Dated November 25th ’06
Gregor.Blanco.
Here’s a guy the Sox should be targeting.
The Braves are kinda in the market for a leadoff guy. I saw they were in the conversation for Roberts, whose skills are pretty redundant with Mr. Dergan’s. I don’t know what the market will be for Pods, since i don’t know if there is a team out there stupid enough to think that he can play centerfield.
Gregor Blanco is a 22 year old Venezuelan recently added to the Braves 40-man roster. He spent time between AA and AAA this year, posting OBPs of .397 and .408 in the Southern and International Leagues, respectively. He also stole 31 bags, though he got caught 15 times.
He’s currently playing for a certain team that is now being coached, at least in some part, by Ozzie Guillen in Venezuela, the Tiburones. In the league where Anderson and Fields couldn’t hit their weight, Blanco’s hitting .295/.415/.409.
Because Gregor has absolutely ZERO power, you’re not going to see him on any top prospect list, (Sickels didn’t list him in his most recent Braves top 20. BA didn’t even name him to the top 20 players recently added to the 40-man roster, while they put Heath Phillips 9th) but he belongs in the conversation. He’s posted OBPs at or very near .400 at every stop in the minors, and figures to be able to do the same at the majors.
I suspect that Ozzie’s got a good scouting report on the kid, and if he feels he can play, we’ll be making a push for him. However, there is one troubling sign. I don’t know how involved Ozzie is with the Tiburones, but whoever is filling out the lineup cards down there keeps putting Blanco 9th, with Alex Sanchez (Yes, I’m pretty sure it’s that Alex Sanchez) leading off.
Let’s just hope that if Pods is gone, we’ve got a replacement that hasn’t been dumped by the Tigers, Giants, and DRays. Because Sanchez is tearing up the VEN
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by The Cheat on Dec 2, 2008 5:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So who we getting?
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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
looks like Jo-Jo Reyes, Brent Lillibridge, and one more player.
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these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.
by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 5:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that's sort of not as bad as the Swisher deal, right?
by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 2, 2008 5:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
One would have to assume...
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these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.
by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 5:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
emphasis on "sort of not as bad"
It's all in the game
by U-God on Dec 2, 2008 5:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no
just on “sort of”
and by “sort of not as bad as”, I meant “probably worse than, all things considered,”
by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 2, 2008 5:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
From Cowley's Twitter
Bye-bye Javy Vazquez. Off to the Braves pending physical.
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these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.
by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 5:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
This would appear to be crappy.
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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Gammons is saying
Boone Logan is part of the deal
by indianguy30 on Dec 2, 2008 5:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
And no Jo-Jo Reyes...
hmmm what is going on
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these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.
by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 5:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that's randomly amusing
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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
here
FOXSports.com’s Ken Rosenthal says Jo-Jo Reyes won’t be in the deal. Perhaps Charlie Morton or Kris Medlen will be. We can’t imagine the deal getting done without the White Sox getting some pitching in return. Relievers Manny Acosta and Blaine Boyer would also make sense as possibilities. Lillibridge, if traded, could compete with Chris Getz and Jayson Nix for the starting job at second base for the White Sox.
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these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.
by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 5:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Shit. I wanted Reyes.
I hope Lillibridge isn’t the “big prize” that comes from ATL.
by JoeCoolMan24 on Dec 2, 2008 5:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well if its Vazquez for Lillibridge then yeah
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these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.
by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 5:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
EDIT Vazquez and Boone Logan for Lillibridge
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these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.
by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 5:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
not that I give a shit or anything
he was only the fourth best pitcher in the AL, right?
by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 2, 2008 5:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
but the guys at beyond the boxscore said he was.
are you saying they’re incorrect?
JERRY OWENS
by larry on Dec 2, 2008 5:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
beyond the boxscore sucks
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these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.
by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 5:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
just dont like all the sabermetric bullshit
i mean some of it makes sense, but most of it is just numbers that really give you a headache thinking about more than they tell you about a player
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these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.
by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 5:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
disagree
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
colin needs stats to tell if a player sucks.
weak.
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Dec 2, 2008 6:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Who am I to disagree with
the almighty over at beyond the boxscore and the annual overrating of Javy Vazquez . . . though I can tell you what to do with his xFIP or whatever other peripheral you want to look at that he is supposedly underperforming to.
by jc2313 on Dec 2, 2008 5:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hey, he was actually great in '07
but every other year, yeah.
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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
also they did say they didn't think he's 4th best or whatever
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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no, he wasn't.
but he was pretty solid.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
fuck my life
I hope Kenny has the fucking time of his life with the extra 25 cents he has to work with
by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 2, 2008 5:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gammons
A baseball source told ESPN’s Peter Gammons that the deal will include four other players, including reliever Boone Logan, who would also go from the White Sox to the Braves.
Among the players expected to go from Atlanta to the Chicago organization are Jo-Jo Reyes, Brett Lillibridge and another top prospect.
by indianguy30 on Dec 2, 2008 5:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
two suspected head cases in one deal, huh.
JERRY OWENS
by larry on Dec 2, 2008 5:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
not to mention the
one we already got rid of.
larrys fortune cookie: you will learn much and have the advantage of not reading my pompous responses.
by bhoov on Dec 2, 2008 5:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the money saved will go into a brainwashing program
by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 2, 2008 5:33 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
LOL!
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Dec 2, 2008 6:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ozzie is getting his team, that's for sure.
Foxhole guys.
For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.
by winningugly on Dec 2, 2008 7:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
good point.
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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 8:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i love how kenny is on the warpath to purge the sox of any malcontents/non-gamers.
and by love i mean i’m worried.
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Dec 2, 2008 6:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Per Rosenthal: no Reyes
The White Sox will receive as many three players in return. Infielder Brent Lillibridge is expected to be in the deal, along with a young starting pitcher. Left-hander Jo-Jo Reyes was among the pitchers under discussion, but is not in the trade, sources said.
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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Wait
I get it. We’re making a bunch of salary room for some sort of FA right?
god dammit
It's all in the game
by U-God on Dec 2, 2008 5:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It would seem that way, wouldn't it.
We have traded away like $17 M from next years payroll, right? Not to mention no more Uribe, Cabrera, Crede, ect.
Quick, one of you payroll experts, how much less are we looking at right now? CC Sabathia!?!?!?! lol
by JoeCoolMan24 on Dec 2, 2008 5:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kenny finally has the money for "his guy"
Nomar. Plus, a new lemonade stand for the yung’ uns! Big picture, Joe. Big picture.
by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 2, 2008 5:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I hear Kenny is going after Orlando Hudson
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Dec 2, 2008 6:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We need more 2B
Every deal should include a 2B, the Jim Hendry school of GMing
and we’re dangerously low on our Orlando quotient
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by The Cheat on Dec 2, 2008 6:11 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Precisely
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Dec 2, 2008 6:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i'd also prefer to have completed all of our offseason moves before most other teams have done anything.
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Dec 2, 2008 6:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ROFL!!!!!
Don't look back because we are going forward!
by Brush Back on Dec 2, 2008 6:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ESPN just confirmed it
This better mean we’re in the running for a free agent stud.
I don’t know why else they’re clearing cap room?
Either way, I’m happy we got something for Javier!
by Option27 on Dec 2, 2008 5:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
ROFL!!!!
Don't look back because we are going forward!
by Brush Back on Dec 2, 2008 6:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
did you even get up off the floor from the last one?
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Dec 2, 2008 6:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cheat: 18 months ago on Lillibridge
http://www.southsidesox.com/2007/7/18/03839/5384
Lillibridge was off my radar until he was traded from the Pirates organization last off-season. His ‘06 line made him a PECOTA hero, but he hasn’t even managed to put up his ML projections in AA and AAA this season. From the two at-bats that I got to see from him in the Futures Game, he appears to have a Brian Anderson or Josh Fields type hole in his swing. The breaking balls at the upper levels have begun to catch up with him, and I’m not sure that he’ll be able to stick in the majors in the future. I’d pass.
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by The Cheat on Dec 2, 2008 5:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
yeah that sounds right looking at his first inning page
he’s a Uribe replacement if he’s even MLB capable.
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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
is he a honey-magnet too?
:p
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Dec 2, 2008 6:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
nope. dude has a negative HORP
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Dec 2, 2008 6:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
his numbers are as good as fields.
that’s the sad thing.
JERRY OWENS
by larry on Dec 2, 2008 6:15 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
i love that line. i think it should be used liberally.
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Dec 2, 2008 6:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
mlb trade rumors
5:19pm: ESPN’s Peter Gammons says Vazquez is flying to Atlanta tomorrow for a physical. The White Sox will send Vazquez and lefty Boone Logan to the Braves for Reyes, Lillibridge, and another prospect.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 5:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Another prospect better equal Jordan Shafer
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by The Cheat on Dec 2, 2008 5:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I prefer Scarlett Johansson
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by The Wizard on Dec 2, 2008 6:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I forgot, MM likes pics
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Dec 2, 2008 6:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
she's mega hot. very fair skinned, but way too good-looking for me to complain.
Cashing checks and having sex.
by MarketMaker on Dec 2, 2008 6:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A ball reliever.
come on. we know KW’s modus.
JERRY OWENS
by larry on Dec 2, 2008 5:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
BOOM
Rosenthal just said on Comcast Sportsnet that most likely deal is
Vazquez and Logan for
Lillibridge, Morton and some catcher named Tyler something…
Thank you,
these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.
by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 5:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
YESSS
TYLER FLOWERS?!?!
PLZ YES PLZ
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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
AFL Strikes again!
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by The Cheat on Dec 2, 2008 5:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Flowers?
That would soften the blow considerably, and it makes sense…
by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 2, 2008 5:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah i was waiting to hear his name
i was daydreaming earlier today that it would be sweet to get him.
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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
after looking at flowers' numbers
is there any realistic chance we get him?
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these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.
by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 5:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
pray to the baseball gods sir
but we need a C. AJ’s last year is either this one or next.
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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
more realistically
he’d be replacing Konerko
by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 2, 2008 5:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
better defensively than brandon allen?
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these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.
by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 5:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he plays catcher
so I’d hope so
and yeah, Allen is especially suck in the field, I think.
by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 2, 2008 5:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah.
well regarded. number 3 ceiling i want to say.
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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
age?
I don’t see him on sickels’ list…
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by The Wizard on Dec 2, 2008 6:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ya missed him.
“5) Tyler Flowers, C, Grade B: Love the power and walks, main question is glove.”
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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 6:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
morton
not blind yet!
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Dec 2, 2008 6:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
oops.
sorry. misread it. yeah, age. threw 75 IP in MLB.
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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 6:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
oh
thanks
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by The Wizard on Dec 2, 2008 6:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah is he better or worse than Jo-Jo
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by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 5:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tyler Flowers - 22-year-old righty
hit .288/.427/.494/.921 with 17 HR 98 BB 102 K’s in 122 games last year.
Sure! Sign me up!
by JoeCoolMan24 on Dec 2, 2008 5:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
level?
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Dec 2, 2008 6:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lets not get too excited
we dont even know who we are getting in return…. BUT, in Kenny I trust.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 6:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Minor League Ball: Braves Top 20
1) Jason Heyward, OF, Grade A-: A personal favorite, though he actually hit fewer homers than expected. Broad base of skills.
2) Frederick Freeman, 1B, Grade B+: Debating whether or not to move him up to A-. Not as broad a skill base as Heyward, but power and youth stand out.
3) Thomas Hanson, RHP, Grade B+: Looks good to me, though will need some Triple-A to put on the finishing touches. Number Two starter ceiling.
4) Jordan Schafer, OF, Grade B+: I should have put him on the Rotowire Top 100 list. Will be in the 50/50 for the book. Power, speed, defense, OBP, and played well without the juice.
5) Tyler Flowers, C, Grade B: Love the power and walks, main question is glove.
6) Cole Rohrbough, LHP, Grade B: Excellent ceiling. I cannot prove why objectively, but I worry a bit about his arm. Needs sharper command too.
7) Craig Kimbrel, RHP, Grade B: I hesitate to grade relief prospects this highly, but I can’t ignore his early dominance.
8) Gorkys Hernandez, OF, Grade B-: Would like to see more power, other skills coming along.
9) Kris Medlen, RHP, Grade B-: Am I overrating him? Looks like he could be a really good swingman.
10) Jeff Locke, LHP, Grade B-: I’ve liked him since he was in high school. Like Rohrbough, worry some about injuries.
11) Randall Delgado, RHP, Grade B-: Needs better command, but a high ceiling guy.
12) Brett DeVall, LHP, Grade B-: A long way away, but a high ceiling.
13) Zeke Spruill, RHP, Grade B-: Like DeVall, a long way off, but fits into organization philosophy perfectly.
14) Brandon Hicks, SS, Grade C+: Love the power, walks, speed, defense. Hate the strikeouts.
15) Eric Campbell, 3B, Grade C+: If his head is on straight, could surprise people in ’09.
16) James Parr, RHP, Grade C+: Fourth/fifth starter type.
17) J.J. Hoover, RHP, Grade C+: Sleeper call on a junior college guy that I love. Hard-thrower with improving command.
18) Kala Ka’aihue, 1B, Grade C+: Similar to his brother Kila though I don’t think he will perform quite as well in ’09 as his brother did in ’08.
19) David Francis, RHP, Grade C+: Sleeper pick.
20) Edgar Osuna, LHP, Grade C+: Sleeper pick, great K/BB ratio.
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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
thanks for adding something ;)
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 5:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
also: i thought reyes made less sense from the "yet another lefty?" perspective
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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
who cares
I wouldn’t want him even if he was throwing with his enormous ass
by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 2, 2008 5:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Morton's rate stats got kind of rough in his debut
but that’s not that uncommon. Plus we can check out his stuff w/ pfx.
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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I believe the timeline for Poreda to join the rotation was
just bumped up by a couple months.
by jc2313 on Dec 2, 2008 5:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
they'll pencil in Morton if he's part of the trade
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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I like the word 'pencil' and the other spot goes to . . .
Marquez? Probably for about a month since Kenny does have a bit of an ego thing and probably would like nothing more than for Marquez to take a spot. Poreda in the rotation May 1.
by jc2313 on Dec 2, 2008 5:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Richard, yo.
Buehrls, Danks, Floyd, Richard, Morton
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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Call me a firm believer in the Richard belongs
in the pen camp. Think he can be very effective out of the pen, but not seeing him as an effective starter long term.
by jc2313 on Dec 2, 2008 5:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i think he's probably durable
and he can be at least replacement level.
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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I won't argue that, but if winning in 2009
takes a priority to long term development than I think we see Poreda in early May.
by jc2313 on Dec 2, 2008 5:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
if we're selling off Vazquez
i don’t think winning in ’09 is the priority.
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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he's using the money elsewhere
and believes Vazquez can be replaced, or close to it. Neither proposition is outlandish.
by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 2, 2008 5:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That would require a FA splash
Kenny is usually pretty clear about his intentions there.
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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 6:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My guess is he's re-using the 2006-07 philosophy, then.
by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 2, 2008 6:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
2007, imo
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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 6:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
oh, gotcha.
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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 6:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
anyone has to be an upgrade over Javy HAS to be and upgrade. Even if it is Richard… I am hoping Poreda is ready though. We need an intimidating beast to scare other teams.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 6:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would be shocked if Kenny isn't planning
on contending in 2009. Sure he has an eye on the future as well, but we aren’t in the AL East . . . you can do both. Replacing Vazquez’s 2008 production isn’t far fetched . . . less than league average ERA?
by jc2313 on Dec 2, 2008 6:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
WOOOOOOOOOOO
5:34pm: Rosenthal says an announcement could come Wednesday or Thursday. He says Lillibridge is in the deal along with a young starter, but it’s not Reyes. Additionally, highly regarded catcher Tyler Flowers might be the third prospect (which would improve the trade quite a bit for the Sox).
Thank you,
these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.
by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 5:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
plzplzplzplzplzplz
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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Serious. Morton, BL and TF feels goooood
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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So its official, we want Morton over Reyes?
Thank you,
these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.
by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 5:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hmm
i think so
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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I prefer Reyes.
He has a consistently good minor league record. Morton had one good minor league year.
larrys fortune cookie: you will learn much and have the advantage of not reading my pompous responses.
by bhoov on Dec 2, 2008 5:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i'd like to read more
but Morton’s had buzz
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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed . . .
That would be a very solid haul for a player they seemingly were set on moving.
by jc2313 on Dec 2, 2008 5:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Rotation:
Buehrle, Danks, Floyd, Morton, Poreda/Marquez/Richard?
Wow. That’s a young ass rotation.
by JoeCoolMan24 on Dec 2, 2008 5:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
we're gonna be contending for a while now aren't we?
It's all in the game
by U-God on Dec 2, 2008 5:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OPOS buehrle?
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Dec 2, 2008 6:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i like this deal
I think it’s clear that the White Sox are rebuilding this year, probably b/c the recession has hit them.
I expect them to clear more salary and maybe make a big FA splash next offseason when even more money comes off the books.
by shaftr on Dec 2, 2008 5:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Clearly the Sox are clearing money from the books for that big 2010 free agent class
I mean come on — LeBron, D-Wade, Stoudamire, Ginobili… fucking sweet.
by CWSKeith on Dec 2, 2008 5:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LEBRON TO THE WHITE SOX
LOVE IT
Thank you,
these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.
by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 5:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
12 tool athlete!
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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
obvs
he loves MJ so he’s going to follow in his footsteps…Birmingham, get ready for LBJ!
-Jeeves Life in the Cell
by jeeves on Dec 2, 2008 9:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like Braves fans wouldn't want to give up Flowers alone for Javy
Thank you,
these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.
by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 5:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Dance, puppets, dance!
Vazquez is not worth Flowers straight up let alone with additional prospects. Surely Wren wouldnt make this deal.
Posted by: tsweet9000 | December 02, 2008 at 05:47 PM
by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 2, 2008 5:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
haha thats the exact post i was referring to in my post above...
Thank you,
these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.
by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 5:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Atlanta fans like this Flowers guy
number one when it mattered!
by hoodlight on Dec 2, 2008 5:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
good they can keep him and send us mccann
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Dec 2, 2008 5:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
they sure do
they sound like they didn’t get shit in the trade over at talking chop
It's all in the game
by U-God on Dec 2, 2008 5:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
IS ANYONE WATCHING ESPN IT IS FUCKING RIDICULOUS
I THINK I HAVE HEARD BREAKING NEWS AT LEAST 15 TIMES NO EXXAGERATION
Thank you,
these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.
by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 5:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
AS I WAS TYPING THAT ANOTHER BREAKING NEWS FLASHED ON THE SCREEN
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Thank you,
these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.
by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 5:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes. Since I woke up 80 minutes ago
I have seen at least 11 or 12 BREAKING NEWS come across SportsCenter. lol. They were all big stories too.
by JoeCoolMan24 on Dec 2, 2008 6:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Morton isn't in the Kalk pfx d-base...
PLZ TO BE UPDATING JOSH TY
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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 6:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
you can use brooksbaseball
AIM: SouthSideCheat
by The Cheat on Dec 2, 2008 6:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
not in the same way...
look up the dates of his starts first? blah.
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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 6:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yo jbasic
too bad Dye ain’t on that plane eh?
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 6:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
haha
My sig is strictly for record keeping, nothing against you
Thank you,
these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.
by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 6:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's sweet dude!
Really! I found this KenWO classic and rub it in his face. He messed with one of my preseason predictions ;)
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 6:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hey i fully admitted i was wrong in that case.
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Dec 2, 2008 6:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
btw
vazquez trade (check)
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 6:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
rec
:)
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 6:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
where would flowers rank in our top 10?
It's all in the game
by U-God on Dec 2, 2008 6:18 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Hmm...
Third after Beckham and Poreda?
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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 6:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
we've got a nice top 5 now
It's all in the game
by U-God on Dec 2, 2008 6:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
When was the last time we could say our top 5 looked this legit?
Long ago
by Option27 on Dec 2, 2008 6:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
pre CY-JV trade
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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 6:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
so are we in the teens farm system rankings-wise now?
It's all in the game
by U-God on Dec 2, 2008 6:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Flowers, Viciedo, Beckham, Danks and Shelby
is a pretty decent stockpile of position players.
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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 6:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would say close
I said 25-27 before this trade.
I bet 20-22 now.
by JoeCoolMan24 on Dec 2, 2008 6:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
we don't even know for sure who we are getting back in return?
Or are we just happy that he is gone ;P
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 6:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
we're going off the reportings of morton, flowers, and littlebridge
It's all in the game
by U-God on Dec 2, 2008 6:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
As long as you dont use stats,
I don't need to look at fancy stats
to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST
by omnipotent grab on Dec 2, 2008 6:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You are missing the points.
I look at stats, all the time as a matter of fact. I just do not believe that you can accurately judge a player just on his stats. There are certain intangibles that can’t be recorded.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 6:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Have to agree with that statement
It would tend to be correct 92% of the time in relation to a probablity of + or – 7.5% with an deviation allocated for error in the 3% range.
Don't look back because we are going forward!
by Brush Back on Dec 2, 2008 7:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
KG, May 2008:
Charlie Morton, RHP, Triple-A Richmond (Braves)
Morton has long been an enigma in the Braves system—a player with the kind of scouting reports that should make him a top prospect, but whose performances were hampered by control lapses and some questions about his maturity. He started to turn the corner last year at Double-A, and he’s built on it so far in the International League, firing seven one-hit innings on Saturday to lower his ERA to 2.14 in six outings, while allowing just 20 hits in 33 2/3 innings. Morton can flash three plus pitches at times, with a 88-92 mph fastball that he can dial up to 94 when the occasion warrants, an excellent curveball, and a good changeup with tumbling action and deceptive arm action. With John Smoltz moving to the bullpen and Mike Hampton about as dependable as your average cable TV installer, Morton could be getting a look soon.
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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 6:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
94 MPH fastball, excellent curevball, poor control. Gavin Floyd anyone?
by Grinder in Training on Dec 2, 2008 6:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he certainly sounds like a Sox trade target.
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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 6:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pfeiffer, June 2008
The younger Morton entered his age-24 season this year as a veteran of six minor league campaigns since being chosen out of a Connecticut high school in the third round of the 2002 draft, and the owner of a career 5.89 RA and 1.62 WHIP in 515 1/3 innings spread from rookie ball to Double-A, with 408 K/275 BB. The Braves decided to bump Morton up to Triple-A following his mediocre Double-A debut last year, and he responded with a surprisingly strong showing. Morton’s chief ability appears to be keeping the ball in play; he has not yet allowed a home run this season, and since the start of last year’s campaign at Mississippi has given up just three in 158 2/3 innings. If he manages to maintain that ability in the show, he could experience some success while pitching in front of a team that ranks second in the National League in defensive efficiency.
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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 6:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
introducing your new Chicago White Sox
It's all in the game
by U-God on Dec 2, 2008 6:20 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
VG.
I don't need to look at fancy stats
to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST
by omnipotent grab on Dec 2, 2008 6:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is the 2nd one
A picture painted by someone named Morton?
by JoeCoolMan24 on Dec 2, 2008 6:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Whoosh.
I don't need to look at fancy stats
to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST
by omnipotent grab on Dec 2, 2008 6:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
did I use that right?
I wasnt around when that joke was established.
I don't need to look at fancy stats
to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST
by omnipotent grab on Dec 2, 2008 6:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yay me!
I don't need to look at fancy stats
to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST
by omnipotent grab on Dec 2, 2008 6:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't need stats
to see that a guy like Vazquez can’t get it done.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 6:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
?
not getting why you put that here WTGTD
It's all in the game
by U-God on Dec 2, 2008 6:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
REPLYING TO SIGS
OOPS CAPS LOX.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 6:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
first time seeing it in 3 days?
I don't need to look at fancy stats
to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST
by omnipotent grab on Dec 2, 2008 6:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
HMM...
do the math :)
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 6:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You could have seen it sunday, monday, or today.
it was in all the threads you shat on.
I don't need to look at fancy stats
to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST
by omnipotent grab on Dec 2, 2008 6:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't shit on threads
I make this place cool. This would be a board of Mimes like it was when I lurked. Someone had to bring “Chicago Toughness” and optimism to these threads.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 6:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
what's the possibility of signing randy johnson
its been discussed before i think?
by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 2, 2008 6:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
yeah
larry says he’s sticking on the west coast. i’ve advocated for the signing already.
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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 6:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he's sticking on the west coast then its a moot point
but man, mb, danks, the unit, gavin, and richard/poreda/marquez
that’s wishful fucking thinking
by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 2, 2008 6:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
plus it would be tight to have him for his 300th
It's all in the game
by U-God on Dec 2, 2008 6:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
sentiment is for pussies yo
by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 2, 2008 6:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
brooks boyer's done more with much less
its possible the unit could have more draw than jr
by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 2, 2008 6:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah i know
that kind of rotation would be pimpin’ fo sho
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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 6:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
His arm would fall off by May playing in The Windy City.
No thanks… Kenny all I want for Christmas now is C.C.! Please make it happen! Dream big SOX! Even if he is C.omplete C.hoke and was abused by his managers 2 years in a row. CC also = Cooked Cheeseburger
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 6:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
* packs victory hitter
no matter who we get in return. Addition by subtraction! NOW PUT THAT IN YOUR PIPE AND SMOKE IT PHIL ROGERS!
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 6:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yes, plus
we traded 2 guys and got 3 back . . . that is a +1!!!
by jc2313 on Dec 2, 2008 6:56 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
WRECKED!!!!!!!
for being the only one who knows what I am referring to…
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 7:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well, "addition by subtraction" i would think implies the whole is made better by simply jettisoning the problem part
not flipping it for other parts, however many that may be
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Dec 2, 2008 7:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Request for Cheat....
Home button on the recent user comments page… + Self rec button.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 6:30 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
you need another method for patting yourself on the back?
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Dec 2, 2008 6:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No one else is going to do it.
Well maybe KenWo. They both seem to have come from the same bizarro world where Jerry Owens is the greatest baseball player in history.
I don't need to look at fancy stats
to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST
by omnipotent grab on Dec 2, 2008 6:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
now you are just lying.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 6:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you do enough real life masturbation
no need to add a virtual option to your already busy lifestyle
AIM: SouthSideCheat
by The Cheat on Dec 2, 2008 6:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nah I prefer saving my loads.
For a shooting effect.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 7:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
KG on Flowers, May 2008
Flowers had a career game on Friday night for the Pelicans, going 3-for-4 with four runs scored, a double, a pair of home runs, and seven RBI in a 22-3 thrashing of Lynchburg. One of the more interesting prospects in the system, Flowers is an absolutely massive presence at the plate and behind it, standing at 6’4" and tipping the scales at somewhere around 250 pounds. His .259/.407/.427 line shows how great his strike zone control is, as he’s walked 58 times in 239 at-bats, and playing in one of the worst hitters parks around belies his power, for on the road he has seven home runs in 126 at-bats. The key to his future is his defense, and right now the chances of him staying behind the plate are right around 50/50.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 6:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
imagine trying to railroad him
It's all in the game
by U-God on Dec 2, 2008 6:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he sounds like he's got a monster.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 6:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he whips it out?
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Dec 2, 2008 6:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
room needs more smoke
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Dec 2, 2008 6:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
NL Great Leaps Forward, per KG, Sept 2008:
Atlanta Braves
A second-round pick last June, first baseman Freddie Freeman showed plus raw power and outstanding hitting ability in his full-season debut, compiling a .316/.378/.521 at Low-A Rome. A tighter approach and more translation of his raw power to in-game performance could move him to the elite level.
Runner-up: Gigantic catcher Tyler Flowers showed outstanding secondary offensive skills by producing 32 doubles, 17 home runs, and 98 walks in a .288/.427/.494 season at High-A Myrtle Beach. He’s good enough to stay behind the plate despite being below average defensively, but the bat should more than make up for it.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 6:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
instead of freed up cash, what if stays freed up, and kdub uses the acquired draft picks to get a bigger fish??
by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 2, 2008 6:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
per the THT annual
it sounds like it doesn’t actually make a whole lot of sense to go way over slot for a top 10 type pitcher if you’ve got a number of top 50 picks.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 6:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
sorry, my bad
i meant acquired minor league players from this deal and the swish deal, not draft picks from orlando.
so would kdub be warming up these players that were just acquired for another trade??
by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 2, 2008 6:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it's possible
from the looks of it, though, these guys all have the markings of “Kenny’s guys”. Morton’s got good stuff without the results and Flowers rocked the AFL.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 6:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
a-rod?
manny? I could live with losing Dye and adding Manny.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 6:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
can a-rod play 2nd though?
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Dec 2, 2008 6:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought center field
and lead off?
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 6:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Flowers and Viciedo sound like similar sorts of prospects
w/ Flowers being the more advanced in all regards
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 6:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Viciedo is a lot younger though
and Cuban
Thank you,
these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.
by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 6:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta give him an extra point for the pride.
I don't need to look at fancy stats
to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST
by omnipotent grab on Dec 2, 2008 6:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So if it is, in fact, Flowers + Morton + Lillibridge...
that’s gotta be pretty close to an “F’n A!” trade, although not all the way there. I’d give it a grade of “Party on, Wayne!”, though.
Seriously though, perusing that list, Flowers looks like as good a prospect as the Sox could have hoped for (besides Heyward). Not that I would mind getting Freeman or Hanson or Schafer, but grabbing a good catching prospect for the system is straight pimpin’.
by CWSKeith on Dec 2, 2008 6:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
where's the OPOS???
AJ will be dispensable…in the next year or two
by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 2, 2008 6:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Rarely have I been this happy to see the ass of a departing player.
Wait … that didn’t sound right. Trying again:
Javier Vazquez has a sweet, sweet ass, and I can’t wait to get a good, close look at it. From behind.
There, that’s better.
by The Actual El Guapo on Dec 2, 2008 6:47 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
Well done TAEG
I don't need to look at fancy stats
to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST
by omnipotent grab on Dec 2, 2008 6:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You better be female.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 6:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
NO GAYS ALLOWED IN HERE!
I don't need to look at fancy stats
to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST
by omnipotent grab on Dec 2, 2008 6:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
NO AIDS BURGERS!
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 6:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
triples, shut the fuck up, or at least consider the timing of your knucklehead comments
it was world’s aids day yesterday
by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 2, 2008 6:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
WTF!!!
I congratulated Coling yesterday!
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 7:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
its pronounced colin.
I don't need to look at fancy stats
to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST
by omnipotent grab on Dec 2, 2008 7:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
HWOP?
(how would ozzie pronounce it?)
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 7:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
* HOWPI?
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 7:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
coleen
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Dec 2, 2008 7:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
are we going to get confirmation on this shiz anytime soon?
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 6:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think we're about as confirmed as we're gonna get prior to the official announcement
AIM: SouthSideCheat
by The Cheat on Dec 2, 2008 6:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
what's hobby done for us, huh????
97G, 6272/3 IP, 324R, 1.25 WHIP, 8.56 K/9
not bad
by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 2, 2008 6:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Vazquez is a good pitcher.
We’re not talking about Jaime Navarro or Todd Ritchie here. A guy who will give you 200 innings of average or better work has as lot of value. The Sox shouldn’t be dumping him for nothing.
Assuming this is true, I’m not against trading him, but if Lillibridge is the best player the Sox get back, that would be pretty bad.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Dec 2, 2008 6:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Flowers!
I don't need to look at fancy stats
to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST
by omnipotent grab on Dec 2, 2008 6:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I win.
I don't need to look at fancy stats
to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST
by omnipotent grab on Dec 2, 2008 6:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Also flagged.
I don't need to look at fancy stats
to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST
by omnipotent grab on Dec 2, 2008 6:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i don't think lillibridge is the player folks on SSS are raving about
i agree, javy is a good pitcher, and i put up those very basic stats to partially illustrate that point.
by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 2, 2008 6:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
AGREED
You might also have to look at this as addition by subtraction. He was a head case who could only pitch 4 2/3 innings a game (okay maybe 6) but still, he choked down the stretch. Kenny looked him in the eyes in Minnesota and it was over for Javy.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 7:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
'choked' on
3 days rest . . . need all the facts there. Regardless, there is still A LOT of value in a league average pitcher that can give you 200+ innings per year.
by jc2313 on Dec 2, 2008 7:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I have all the facts
a guy named John Danks and a guy named Buehrle pitched on 3 days rest… how did they pitch in comparison? He does have value and that is why it looks like we are getting a decent return.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 7:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well you stated this would be addition
by subtraction . . . hence, less than replacement level production which is not the case. I am not comparing him to any other pitcher as that is not what the comment was about.
by jc2313 on Dec 2, 2008 7:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
GETTING rid of the guy
was good enough for me.
Way to go danks
bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 7:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
even before september
how many times have you ever been confident in javy making it multiple times through a lineup? how many “oh shit, here we go again” games with a 5th/6th meltdown have there been?
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Dec 2, 2008 7:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I always got the sense...
that Vazquez was the one most victimized by the horrible defense the Sox featured down the stretch. He’s not someone who pitches well out of the stretch.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Dec 2, 2008 7:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
4.64 RA with 200+ IP pitched?
yeah that’s pretty damn solid.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 6:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But his FIP is really good!
I don't need to look at fancy stats
to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST
by omnipotent grab on Dec 2, 2008 6:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i were being serious
that’s like 40 runs saved compared to average over 200 IP.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 7:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why would I be serious?
I don't need to look at fancy stats
to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST
by omnipotent grab on Dec 2, 2008 7:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Dec 2, 2008 7:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking that myself.
I don't need to look at fancy stats
to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST
by omnipotent grab on Dec 2, 2008 7:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No, he's quite bad.
Javy Vazquez on contending team vs. team’s main rival(s) and/or in postseason:
1998-2003 Montreal. Team never in contention (closest was 2nd place in 2002, but they were 19 games back of Braves)
2004: NYY. Vazquez vs. Boston: 1-2, 5.56 ERA
2005: AZ. Team not in contention (2nd place, but 77-85 record)
2006: SOX. Vazquez vs. Tigers: 0-1, 7.50 ERA. Vazquez vs. Twins: 0-4, 6.83 ERA.
2007 SOX. Team not in contention
2008 SOX. Vazquez vs. Twins: 2-1, 6.61 ERA
Postseason Career: 1-1, 10.65 ERA
I have said it before, but Javy appears to be the exception that proves the rule that, by the time you reach the majors, you’ve weeded out all the head cases. There’s just too much evidence to the contrary in his case.
by The Actual El Guapo on Dec 2, 2008 7:12 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
How about you put the numbers for the non contention years too.
I don't need to look at fancy stats
to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST
by omnipotent grab on Dec 2, 2008 7:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's my point -- he's very good when his team sucks and very sucky when his team is good.
Look, I never buy the Cowley-esque “that guy sucks ’cause he has no heart”, or “that guy just doesn’t want it bad enough” crap that has always passed for sports journalism. Having said that, the fact remains: Vazquez is good-to-great in years when his team sucks and below average-to-awful in years when his team is good. There has literally never been a year in his career in which this had not been true. There’s too much to ignore in his case.
by The Actual El Guapo on Dec 2, 2008 7:19 PM CST up reply actions