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Ruminations on Rumors (w/ Bonus Vazquez Rumor)

Scanning Google Reader -- Suck it, Bloglines! -- over the past 24 hours, I came across a couple of related entries from two completely different type of sites. I thought about posting them separately as FanShots, but I thought they combined to frame a more robust discussion about the baseball rumor landscape.

In the first, Will Carrol, of Pete Rose reinstated and Washington Grays fame, as well as Baseball Prospectus' Under The Knife, recently announced that he would not be participating in the rumor mongering during the upcoming winter meetings (Dec. 8-11th). Not that I really care; as he says, the market is saturated with plenty of hard-working journos (both Carrol and Aaron Gleeman cite Ken Rosenthal in particular). No, I'm linking to his resignation from the rumor game because of the numbers he cites about the rumors themselves.

Paul DePodesta wrote that 25% of rumors have any basis in fact. I spoke with Andrew Friedman earlier this year and he gave a slightly higher number. I’d say that the number is higher still, probably about 50%. There’s some nugget of truth, some overheard conversation or leak, some good source talking out of school in — just a guess — half. About 25% is chatter - secondary things that aren’t quite right, people talking about things that never quite get to the real talking stage. I can remember a team saying they liked a guy and then a couple weeks later, that guy was in a trade rumor involving the team. It didn’t happen, but someone filled in the gap with something plausible. Not right, but not entirely wrong.

About 10% beyond that is trial balloons. They aren’t facts, but agents and teams like to get stuff out there and it’s useful to some extent, assuming you can pick apart the layers of anonymity. I’d argue there’s real value here in that it helps create action. In Moneyball, Peter Gammons was shown to be a go-between, an information clearinghouse for what teams were trying to do and there’s unquestionably a value there.

It’s the other 15% that’s worrisome. It’s the whole cloth, puff of smoke lies that throw everything off and give the whole process a bad name. I’ll split that into half "good" and half "evil" — the good smoke is just talking points, people throwing ideas on the wall and covering them in a thin candy shell of credibility. The evil smoke is designed to do something, to create action or in most cases, just attention. These seldom hold up very long, but they’re out there and worse, there’s some big name people that do this far too often, likely under pressure of deadline or an editor telling them to produce something.

The second comes from Gawker, the New York and media centric mega-blog, which uses the recent news that David Gregory will (read: may) take over at Meet The Press as a backdrop for a discussion on rumors and journalism on the internet.

In classic journalism, rumors had to be double-sourced before, say, a newspaper would run with them. So you get a tip, then you have to find some other person who would know to agree with it. That person should not be the original tipster. Pretty simple.

But everything is new and different now! Online "news" outlets are not all as professional as we are around here. Rumors pop up everywhere online, all the time. But here's the key difference between now and the old days: if a rumor is reported online, people tend to treat it as a rumor until it's reported somewhere else. Then, two places have it up separately, and ta-da! It's the internet version of double-sourcing. It doesn't necessarily require any enterprise on the part of lazier blogs—just wait until two places report it, and it's gold! No actual sources necessary!

How do the two relate? Well, without truly knowing the ins-and-outs--I'm just a blogger, remember--I'd argue that there is no Two-Scource-Rule for a baseball rumor. If it's whispered and can pass the smell test, it'll probably be written about, or at least re-whispered on the radio. But I'd also argue that we, as semi-functional basement-dwellers, have formed something of our own Two-Source-Rule. Take the Jermaine Dye Rumors, for instance.

Dye has been mentioned in regards to numerous teams, but the rumor that seems to have taken hold involves the Reds. Why? Because it's been written about by different outlets--Some Cinci radio station (not WKRP), The Enquirer, ChiSox.com, and the Trib--though all seem to be using a similar source, pointing back at the first source and adding Jockety's non-denial. So now it's a super-duper, 4-star, rhodium-plated rumor, because it has multiple sources....

And, I'll end that discussion there--even though I had more to say--because the Best-In-The-Business has a Hot-Off-The-Stove rumor for us.

The Braves, moving to address their starting pitching needs, are in serious discussions with the White Sox about a trade for right-hander Javier Vazquez, according to major-league sources.

The White Sox would receive as many three players in return. Left-hander Jo-Jo Reyes and infielder Brent Lillibridge are among the names under discussion, sources said.

[Update by The Cheat, 12/02/08 5:04 PM CST]: The opening line of Rosenthal's article now reads "The Braves, moving to address their starting pitching needs, are on the verge of acquiring right-hander Javier Vazquez from the White Sox, according to major-league sources." (emphasis added is mine)

[Update by The Cheat, 12/02/08 6:05 PM CST]: Rosenthal now says it's done pending physicals. Announcement Wednesday or Thursday. Players departing: Vazquez and Boone Logan. Players arriving: Brent Lillibridge (short, fast, scrappy, middle infielder with a hole in his swing), a young starter thought to be Charlie Morton (mediocre, uninspiring back-of-the-rotation candidate) and possibly Tyler Flowers (Power and plate discipline catcher, who just destroyed the AFL, but needs work behind the plate).

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Jo-Jo Reyes seems like a nice piece

But does him and Lillibridge plus whatever else make us a better team in ’09?

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these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.

by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 4:41 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

i don't think so

but all these moves sure would be making us young

It's all in the game

by U-God on Dec 2, 2008 4:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah i mean I'd be a lot happier about Reyes, but it can't hurt to have

some more depth up the middle, right?

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by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 4:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't call Jo-Jo a AAAA guy, but you'd imagine

either an outfielder, or a 3B… meh its all such a mess as he has so many options on where he can add a piece…

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by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 4:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

4:53pm: Rosenthal now says the Braves are on the verge of acquiring Vazquez.

BOOM

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by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 5:01 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

hes like super fast right? (gay accent)

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these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.

by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 5:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

and like Lillibridge,

he isn’t all that great

by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 2, 2008 5:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

hes got a nice career OBP... if he managed to get any sort of power he looks like he'd be a solid player

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these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.

by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 5:15 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

From teh Google

Dated November 25th ’06

Gregor.Blanco.

Here’s a guy the Sox should be targeting.

The Braves are kinda in the market for a leadoff guy. I saw they were in the conversation for Roberts, whose skills are pretty redundant with Mr. Dergan’s. I don’t know what the market will be for Pods, since i don’t know if there is a team out there stupid enough to think that he can play centerfield.

Gregor Blanco is a 22 year old Venezuelan recently added to the Braves 40-man roster. He spent time between AA and AAA this year, posting OBPs of .397 and .408 in the Southern and International Leagues, respectively. He also stole 31 bags, though he got caught 15 times.

He’s currently playing for a certain team that is now being coached, at least in some part, by Ozzie Guillen in Venezuela, the Tiburones. In the league where Anderson and Fields couldn’t hit their weight, Blanco’s hitting .295/.415/.409.

Because Gregor has absolutely ZERO power, you’re not going to see him on any top prospect list, (Sickels didn’t list him in his most recent Braves top 20. BA didn’t even name him to the top 20 players recently added to the 40-man roster, while they put Heath Phillips 9th) but he belongs in the conversation. He’s posted OBPs at or very near .400 at every stop in the minors, and figures to be able to do the same at the majors.

I suspect that Ozzie’s got a good scouting report on the kid, and if he feels he can play, we’ll be making a push for him. However, there is one troubling sign. I don’t know how involved Ozzie is with the Tiburones, but whoever is filling out the lineup cards down there keeps putting Blanco 9th, with Alex Sanchez (Yes, I’m pretty sure it’s that Alex Sanchez) leading off.

Let’s just hope that if Pods is gone, we’ve got a replacement that hasn’t been dumped by the Tigers, Giants, and DRays. Because Sanchez is tearing up the VEN

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by The Cheat on Dec 2, 2008 5:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

So who we getting?

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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:16 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

looks like Jo-Jo Reyes, Brent Lillibridge, and one more player.

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these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.

by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 5:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

One would have to assume...

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by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 5:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

no

just on “sort of”

and by “sort of not as bad as”, I meant “probably worse than, all things considered,”

by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 2, 2008 5:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

It's all in the game

by U-God on Dec 2, 2008 5:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

From Cowley's Twitter

Bye-bye Javy Vazquez. Off to the Braves pending physical.

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these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.

by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 5:18 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

This would appear to be crappy.

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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:23 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Gammons is saying

Boone Logan is part of the deal

by indianguy30 on Dec 2, 2008 5:23 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

And no Jo-Jo Reyes...

hmmm what is going on

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by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 5:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

that's randomly amusing

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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

here

FOXSports.com’s Ken Rosenthal says Jo-Jo Reyes won’t be in the deal. Perhaps Charlie Morton or Kris Medlen will be. We can’t imagine the deal getting done without the White Sox getting some pitching in return. Relievers Manny Acosta and Blaine Boyer would also make sense as possibilities. Lillibridge, if traded, could compete with Chris Getz and Jayson Nix for the starting job at second base for the White Sox.

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these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.

by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 5:24 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Shit. I wanted Reyes.

I hope Lillibridge isn’t the “big prize” that comes from ATL.

by JoeCoolMan24 on Dec 2, 2008 5:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

this fucking sucks

It's all in the game

by U-God on Dec 2, 2008 5:25 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

well if its Vazquez for Lillibridge then yeah

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by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 5:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

EDIT Vazquez and Boone Logan for Lillibridge

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these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.

by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 5:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

not that I give a shit or anything

he was only the fourth best pitcher in the AL, right?

by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 2, 2008 5:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

but the guys at beyond the boxscore said he was.

are you saying they’re incorrect?

JERRY OWENS

by larry on Dec 2, 2008 5:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

beyond the boxscore sucks

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by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 5:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

just dont like all the sabermetric bullshit

i mean some of it makes sense, but most of it is just numbers that really give you a headache thinking about more than they tell you about a player

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these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.

by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 5:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

disagree

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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Who am I to disagree with

the almighty over at beyond the boxscore and the annual overrating of Javy Vazquez . . . though I can tell you what to do with his xFIP or whatever other peripheral you want to look at that he is supposedly underperforming to.

by jc2313 on Dec 2, 2008 5:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

hey, he was actually great in '07

but every other year, yeah.

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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

also they did say they didn't think he's 4th best or whatever

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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

no, he wasn't.

but he was pretty solid.

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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

fuck my life

I hope Kenny has the fucking time of his life with the extra 25 cents he has to work with

by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 2, 2008 5:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Gammons
A baseball source told ESPN’s Peter Gammons that the deal will include four other players, including reliever Boone Logan, who would also go from the White Sox to the Braves.

Among the players expected to go from Atlanta to the Chicago organization are Jo-Jo Reyes, Brett Lillibridge and another top prospect.

by indianguy30 on Dec 2, 2008 5:26 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

not to mention the

one we already got rid of.

larrys fortune cookie: you will learn much and have the advantage of not reading my pompous responses.

by bhoov on Dec 2, 2008 5:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL!

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Dec 2, 2008 6:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ozzie is getting his team, that's for sure.

Foxhole guys.

For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.

by winningugly on Dec 2, 2008 7:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

good point.

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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 8:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Per Rosenthal: no Reyes
The White Sox will receive as many three players in return. Infielder Brent Lillibridge is expected to be in the deal, along with a young starting pitcher. Left-hander Jo-Jo Reyes was among the pitchers under discussion, but is not in the trade, sources said.

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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:26 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Wait

I get it. We’re making a bunch of salary room for some sort of FA right?

god dammit

It's all in the game

by U-God on Dec 2, 2008 5:27 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

It would seem that way, wouldn't it.

We have traded away like $17 M from next years payroll, right? Not to mention no more Uribe, Cabrera, Crede, ect.

Quick, one of you payroll experts, how much less are we looking at right now? CC Sabathia!?!?!?! lol

by JoeCoolMan24 on Dec 2, 2008 5:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Kenny finally has the money for "his guy"

Nomar. Plus, a new lemonade stand for the yung’ uns! Big picture, Joe. Big picture.

by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 2, 2008 5:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

NOMAR?

TRADE GRADE A+ IF TRUE

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by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 5:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I hear Kenny is going after Orlando Hudson

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Dec 2, 2008 6:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

We need more 2B

Every deal should include a 2B, the Jim Hendry school of GMing

and we’re dangerously low on our Orlando quotient

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Dec 2, 2008 6:11 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Precisely

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Dec 2, 2008 6:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

ROFL!!!!!

Don't look back because we are going forward!

by Brush Back on Dec 2, 2008 6:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

ESPN just confirmed it

This better mean we’re in the running for a free agent stud.

I don’t know why else they’re clearing cap room?

Either way, I’m happy we got something for Javier!

by Option27 on Dec 2, 2008 5:29 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

ROFL!!!!

Don't look back because we are going forward!

by Brush Back on Dec 2, 2008 6:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Cheat: 18 months ago on Lillibridge

http://www.southsidesox.com/2007/7/18/03839/5384

Lillibridge was off my radar until he was traded from the Pirates organization last off-season. His ‘06 line made him a PECOTA hero, but he hasn’t even managed to put up his ML projections in AA and AAA this season. From the two at-bats that I got to see from him in the Futures Game, he appears to have a Brian Anderson or Josh Fields type hole in his swing. The breaking balls at the upper levels have begun to catch up with him, and I’m not sure that he’ll be able to stick in the majors in the future. I’d pass.

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by The Cheat on Dec 2, 2008 5:29 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

yeah that sounds right looking at his first inning page

he’s a Uribe replacement if he’s even MLB capable.

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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

is he a honey-magnet too?

:p

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Dec 2, 2008 6:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

nope. dude has a negative HORP

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Dec 2, 2008 6:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

his numbers are as good as fields.

that’s the sad thing.

JERRY OWENS

by larry on Dec 2, 2008 6:15 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

ah

just when i thought it was dead. you pulled it back in.

larrys fortune cookie: you will learn much and have the advantage of not reading my pompous responses.

by bhoov on Dec 2, 2008 6:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

mlb trade rumors

5:19pm: ESPN’s Peter Gammons says Vazquez is flying to Atlanta tomorrow for a physical. The White Sox will send Vazquez and lefty Boone Logan to the Braves for Reyes, Lillibridge, and another prospect.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 5:35 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I prefer

Tommy Hanson

by jc2313 on Dec 2, 2008 5:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I prefer Scarlett Johansson

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by The Wizard on Dec 2, 2008 6:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I forgot, MM likes pics

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Dec 2, 2008 6:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

A ball reliever.

come on. we know KW’s modus.

JERRY OWENS

by larry on Dec 2, 2008 5:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

BOOM

Rosenthal just said on Comcast Sportsnet that most likely deal is

Vazquez and Logan for
Lillibridge, Morton and some catcher named Tyler something…

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by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 5:36 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

YESSS

TYLER FLOWERS?!?!

PLZ YES PLZ

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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

exactly.
  1. OPS+ baby!

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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Flowers?

That would soften the blow considerably, and it makes sense…

by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 2, 2008 5:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah i was waiting to hear his name

i was daydreaming earlier today that it would be sweet to get him.

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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

after looking at flowers' numbers

is there any realistic chance we get him?

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by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 5:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

pray to the baseball gods sir

but we need a C. AJ’s last year is either this one or next.

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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

more realistically

he’d be replacing Konerko

by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 2, 2008 5:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

better defensively than brandon allen?

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by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 5:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

he plays catcher

so I’d hope so

and yeah, Allen is especially suck in the field, I think.

by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 2, 2008 5:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah.

well regarded. number 3 ceiling i want to say.

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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

age?

I don’t see him on sickels’ list…

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by The Wizard on Dec 2, 2008 6:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

ya missed him.

“5) Tyler Flowers, C, Grade B: Love the power and walks, main question is glove.”

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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 6:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

morton

not blind yet!

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Dec 2, 2008 6:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

oops.

sorry. misread it. yeah, age. threw 75 IP in MLB.

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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 6:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

oh

thanks

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by The Wizard on Dec 2, 2008 6:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah is he better or worse than Jo-Jo

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by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 5:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Tyler Flowers - 22-year-old righty

hit .288/.427/.494/.921 with 17 HR 98 BB 102 K’s in 122 games last year.

Sure! Sign me up!

by JoeCoolMan24 on Dec 2, 2008 5:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

level?

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by The Wizard on Dec 2, 2008 6:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

A+

FSL, iirc. So: nice.

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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 6:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

lets not get too excited

we dont even know who we are getting in return…. BUT, in Kenny I trust.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

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by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 6:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Minor League Ball: Braves Top 20

here

1) Jason Heyward, OF, Grade A-: A personal favorite, though he actually hit fewer homers than expected. Broad base of skills.
2) Frederick Freeman, 1B, Grade B+: Debating whether or not to move him up to A-. Not as broad a skill base as Heyward, but power and youth stand out.
3) Thomas Hanson, RHP, Grade B+: Looks good to me, though will need some Triple-A to put on the finishing touches. Number Two starter ceiling.
4) Jordan Schafer, OF, Grade B+: I should have put him on the Rotowire Top 100 list. Will be in the 50/50 for the book. Power, speed, defense, OBP, and played well without the juice.
5) Tyler Flowers, C, Grade B: Love the power and walks, main question is glove.
6) Cole Rohrbough, LHP, Grade B: Excellent ceiling. I cannot prove why objectively, but I worry a bit about his arm. Needs sharper command too.
7) Craig Kimbrel, RHP, Grade B: I hesitate to grade relief prospects this highly, but I can’t ignore his early dominance.
8) Gorkys Hernandez, OF, Grade B-: Would like to see more power, other skills coming along.
9) Kris Medlen, RHP, Grade B-: Am I overrating him? Looks like he could be a really good swingman.
10) Jeff Locke, LHP, Grade B-: I’ve liked him since he was in high school. Like Rohrbough, worry some about injuries.
11) Randall Delgado, RHP, Grade B-: Needs better command, but a high ceiling guy.
12) Brett DeVall, LHP, Grade B-: A long way away, but a high ceiling.
13) Zeke Spruill, RHP, Grade B-: Like DeVall, a long way off, but fits into organization philosophy perfectly.
14) Brandon Hicks, SS, Grade C+: Love the power, walks, speed, defense. Hate the strikeouts.
15) Eric Campbell, 3B, Grade C+: If his head is on straight, could surprise people in ’09.
16) James Parr, RHP, Grade C+: Fourth/fifth starter type.
17) J.J. Hoover, RHP, Grade C+: Sleeper call on a junior college guy that I love. Hard-thrower with improving command.
18) Kala Ka’aihue, 1B, Grade C+: Similar to his brother Kila though I don’t think he will perform quite as well in ’09 as his brother did in ’08.
19) David Francis, RHP, Grade C+: Sleeper pick.
20) Edgar Osuna, LHP, Grade C+: Sleeper pick, great K/BB ratio.

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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:39 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

thanks for adding something ;)

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 5:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

also: i thought reyes made less sense from the "yet another lefty?" perspective

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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:41 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

who cares

I wouldn’t want him even if he was throwing with his enormous ass

by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 2, 2008 5:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Morton's rate stats got kind of rough in his debut

but that’s not that uncommon. Plus we can check out his stuff w/ pfx.

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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:43 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

they'll pencil in Morton if he's part of the trade

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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I like the word 'pencil' and the other spot goes to . . .

Marquez? Probably for about a month since Kenny does have a bit of an ego thing and probably would like nothing more than for Marquez to take a spot. Poreda in the rotation May 1.

by jc2313 on Dec 2, 2008 5:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Richard, yo.

Buehrls, Danks, Floyd, Richard, Morton

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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Call me a firm believer in the Richard belongs

in the pen camp. Think he can be very effective out of the pen, but not seeing him as an effective starter long term.

by jc2313 on Dec 2, 2008 5:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i think he's probably durable

and he can be at least replacement level.

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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I won't argue that, but if winning in 2009

takes a priority to long term development than I think we see Poreda in early May.

by jc2313 on Dec 2, 2008 5:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

if we're selling off Vazquez

i don’t think winning in ’09 is the priority.

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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe he's using the money elsewhere

and believes Vazquez can be replaced, or close to it. Neither proposition is outlandish.

by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 2, 2008 5:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That would require a FA splash

Kenny is usually pretty clear about his intentions there.

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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 6:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

2007, imo

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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 6:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

oh, gotcha.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 6:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

anyone has to be an upgrade over Javy HAS to be and upgrade. Even if it is Richard… I am hoping Poreda is ready though. We need an intimidating beast to scare other teams.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 6:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I would be shocked if Kenny isn't planning

on contending in 2009. Sure he has an eye on the future as well, but we aren’t in the AL East . . . you can do both. Replacing Vazquez’s 2008 production isn’t far fetched . . . less than league average ERA?

by jc2313 on Dec 2, 2008 6:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

WOOOOOOOOOOO

5:34pm: Rosenthal says an announcement could come Wednesday or Thursday. He says Lillibridge is in the deal along with a young starter, but it’s not Reyes. Additionally, highly regarded catcher Tyler Flowers might be the third prospect (which would improve the trade quite a bit for the Sox).

Thank you,
these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.

by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 5:44 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

plzplzplzplzplzplz

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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Serious. Morton, BL and TF feels goooood

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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

So its official, we want Morton over Reyes?

Thank you,
these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.

by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 5:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

It's all in the game

by U-God on Dec 2, 2008 5:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

hmm

i think so

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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I prefer Reyes.

He has a consistently good minor league record. Morton had one good minor league year.

larrys fortune cookie: you will learn much and have the advantage of not reading my pompous responses.

by bhoov on Dec 2, 2008 5:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i'd like to read more

but Morton’s had buzz

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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed . . .

That would be a very solid haul for a player they seemingly were set on moving.

by jc2313 on Dec 2, 2008 5:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Rotation:

Buehrle, Danks, Floyd, Morton, Poreda/Marquez/Richard?

Wow. That’s a young ass rotation.

by JoeCoolMan24 on Dec 2, 2008 5:48 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

OPOS buehrle?

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Dec 2, 2008 6:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i like this deal

I think it’s clear that the White Sox are rebuilding this year, probably b/c the recession has hit them.

I expect them to clear more salary and maybe make a big FA splash next offseason when even more money comes off the books.

by shaftr on Dec 2, 2008 5:51 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Clearly the Sox are clearing money from the books for that big 2010 free agent class

I mean come on — LeBron, D-Wade, Stoudamire, Ginobili… fucking sweet.

by CWSKeith on Dec 2, 2008 5:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

LEBRON TO THE WHITE SOX

LOVE IT

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these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.

by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 5:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

12 tool athlete!

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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

obvs

he loves MJ so he’s going to follow in his footsteps…Birmingham, get ready for LBJ!

by jeeves on Dec 2, 2008 9:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Looks like Braves fans wouldn't want to give up Flowers alone for Javy

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these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.

by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 5:52 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

But

they are getting Logan as well! :)

by jc2313 on Dec 2, 2008 5:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

NOOOOOOOO

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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Dance, puppets, dance!

Vazquez is not worth Flowers straight up let alone with additional prospects. Surely Wren wouldnt make this deal.

Posted by: tsweet9000 | December 02, 2008 at 05:47 PM

by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 2, 2008 5:52 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

haha thats the exact post i was referring to in my post above...

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by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 5:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I do too

We need a young catcher to take over the reigns of AJ eventually

by Option27 on Dec 2, 2008 5:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

they sure do

they sound like they didn’t get shit in the trade over at talking chop

It's all in the game

by U-God on Dec 2, 2008 5:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

IS ANYONE WATCHING ESPN IT IS FUCKING RIDICULOUS

I THINK I HAVE HEARD BREAKING NEWS AT LEAST 15 TIMES NO EXXAGERATION

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these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.

by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 5:57 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

AS I WAS TYPING THAT ANOTHER BREAKING NEWS FLASHED ON THE SCREEN

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

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these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.

by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 5:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes. Since I woke up 80 minutes ago

I have seen at least 11 or 12 BREAKING NEWS come across SportsCenter. lol. They were all big stories too.

by JoeCoolMan24 on Dec 2, 2008 6:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Morton isn't in the Kalk pfx d-base...

PLZ TO BE UPDATING JOSH TY

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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 6:08 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

not in the same way...

look up the dates of his starts first? blah.

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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 6:15 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yo jbasic

too bad Dye ain’t on that plane eh?

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 6:12 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

haha

My sig is strictly for record keeping, nothing against you

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these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.

by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 6:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It's sweet dude!

Really! I found this KenWO classic and rub it in his face. He messed with one of my preseason predictions ;)

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 6:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

btw

vazquez trade (check)

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 6:14 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

rec

:)

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 6:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hmm...

Third after Beckham and Poreda?

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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 6:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

pre CY-JV trade

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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 6:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Flowers, Viciedo, Beckham, Danks and Shelby

is a pretty decent stockpile of position players.

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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 6:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I would say close

I said 25-27 before this trade.

I bet 20-22 now.

by JoeCoolMan24 on Dec 2, 2008 6:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

we don't even know for sure who we are getting back in return?

Or are we just happy that he is gone ;P

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 6:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

As long as you dont use stats,

I don't need to look at fancy stats

to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST

by omnipotent grab on Dec 2, 2008 6:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i wouldn't dare

It's all in the game

by U-God on Dec 2, 2008 6:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You are missing the points.

I look at stats, all the time as a matter of fact. I just do not believe that you can accurately judge a player just on his stats. There are certain intangibles that can’t be recorded.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 6:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Have to agree with that statement

It would tend to be correct 92% of the time in relation to a probablity of + or – 7.5% with an deviation allocated for error in the 3% range.

Don't look back because we are going forward!

by Brush Back on Dec 2, 2008 7:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd put

him 3rd or 4th.

Beckham
Poreda
Viciedo
Flowers
Danks
Allen

He might be at the top if we were sure he’ll stick at catcher.

larrys fortune cookie: you will learn much and have the advantage of not reading my pompous responses.

by bhoov on Dec 2, 2008 6:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

KG, May 2008:
Charlie Morton, RHP, Triple-A Richmond (Braves)
Morton has long been an enigma in the Braves system—a player with the kind of scouting reports that should make him a top prospect, but whose performances were hampered by control lapses and some questions about his maturity. He started to turn the corner last year at Double-A, and he’s built on it so far in the International League, firing seven one-hit innings on Saturday to lower his ERA to 2.14 in six outings, while allowing just 20 hits in 33 2/3 innings. Morton can flash three plus pitches at times, with a 88-92 mph fastball that he can dial up to 94 when the occasion warrants, an excellent curveball, and a good changeup with tumbling action and deceptive arm action. With John Smoltz moving to the bullpen and Mike Hampton about as dependable as your average cable TV installer, Morton could be getting a look soon.

linky link

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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 6:18 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

94 MPH fastball, excellent curevball, poor control. Gavin Floyd anyone?

by Grinder in Training on Dec 2, 2008 6:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

he certainly sounds like a Sox trade target.

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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 6:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Pfeiffer, June 2008
The younger Morton entered his age-24 season this year as a veteran of six minor league campaigns since being chosen out of a Connecticut high school in the third round of the 2002 draft, and the owner of a career 5.89 RA and 1.62 WHIP in 515 1/3 innings spread from rookie ball to Double-A, with 408 K/275 BB. The Braves decided to bump Morton up to Triple-A following his mediocre Double-A debut last year, and he responded with a surprisingly strong showing. Morton’s chief ability appears to be keeping the ball in play; he has not yet allowed a home run this season, and since the start of last year’s campaign at Mississippi has given up just three in 158 2/3 innings. If he manages to maintain that ability in the show, he could experience some success while pitching in front of a team that ranks second in the National League in defensive efficiency.

here

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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 6:19 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

VG.

I don't need to look at fancy stats

to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST

by omnipotent grab on Dec 2, 2008 6:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Is the 2nd one

A picture painted by someone named Morton?

by JoeCoolMan24 on Dec 2, 2008 6:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

morton salt

It's all in the game

by U-God on Dec 2, 2008 6:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Whoosh.

I don't need to look at fancy stats

to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST

by omnipotent grab on Dec 2, 2008 6:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

did I use that right?

I wasnt around when that joke was established.

I don't need to look at fancy stats

to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST

by omnipotent grab on Dec 2, 2008 6:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yes you did

It's all in the game

by U-God on Dec 2, 2008 6:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yay me!

I don't need to look at fancy stats

to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST

by omnipotent grab on Dec 2, 2008 6:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't need stats

to see that a guy like Vazquez can’t get it done.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 6:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

?

not getting why you put that here WTGTD

It's all in the game

by U-God on Dec 2, 2008 6:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

REPLYING TO SIGS

OOPS CAPS LOX.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 6:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

first time seeing it in 3 days?

I don't need to look at fancy stats

to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST

by omnipotent grab on Dec 2, 2008 6:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

HMM...

do the math :)

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 6:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You could have seen it sunday, monday, or today.

it was in all the threads you shat on.

I don't need to look at fancy stats

to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST

by omnipotent grab on Dec 2, 2008 6:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't shit on threads

I make this place cool. This would be a board of Mimes like it was when I lurked. Someone had to bring “Chicago Toughness” and optimism to these threads.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 6:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

larry says he’s sticking on the west coast. i’ve advocated for the signing already.

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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 6:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

he's sticking on the west coast then its a moot point

but man, mb, danks, the unit, gavin, and richard/poreda/marquez

that’s wishful fucking thinking

by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 2, 2008 6:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah i know

that kind of rotation would be pimpin’ fo sho

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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 6:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

His arm would fall off by May playing in The Windy City.

No thanks… Kenny all I want for Christmas now is C.C.! Please make it happen! Dream big SOX! Even if he is C.omplete C.hoke and was abused by his managers 2 years in a row. CC also = Cooked Cheeseburger

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 6:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

* packs victory hitter

no matter who we get in return. Addition by subtraction! NOW PUT THAT IN YOUR PIPE AND SMOKE IT PHIL ROGERS!

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 6:27 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Yes, plus

we traded 2 guys and got 3 back . . . that is a +1!!!

by jc2313 on Dec 2, 2008 6:56 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

WRECKED!!!!!!!

for being the only one who knows what I am referring to…

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 7:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

well, "addition by subtraction" i would think implies the whole is made better by simply jettisoning the problem part

not flipping it for other parts, however many that may be

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Dec 2, 2008 7:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Request for Cheat....

Home button on the recent user comments page… + Self rec button.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 6:30 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

you need another method for patting yourself on the back?

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Dec 2, 2008 6:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No one else is going to do it.

Well maybe KenWo. They both seem to have come from the same bizarro world where Jerry Owens is the greatest baseball player in history.

I don't need to look at fancy stats

to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST

by omnipotent grab on Dec 2, 2008 6:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

now you are just lying.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 6:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think you do enough real life masturbation

no need to add a virtual option to your already busy lifestyle

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Dec 2, 2008 6:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Nah I prefer saving my loads.

For a shooting effect.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

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KG on Flowers, May 2008
Flowers had a career game on Friday night for the Pelicans, going 3-for-4 with four runs scored, a double, a pair of home runs, and seven RBI in a 22-3 thrashing of Lynchburg. One of the more interesting prospects in the system, Flowers is an absolutely massive presence at the plate and behind it, standing at 6’4" and tipping the scales at somewhere around 250 pounds. His .259/.407/.427 line shows how great his strike zone control is, as he’s walked 58 times in 239 at-bats, and playing in one of the worst hitters parks around belies his power, for on the road he has seven home runs in 126 at-bats. The key to his future is his defense, and right now the chances of him staying behind the plate are right around 50/50.

link

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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 6:31 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

he sounds like he's got a monster.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 6:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

he whips it out?

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Dec 2, 2008 6:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It's all in the game

by U-God on Dec 2, 2008 6:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

room needs more smoke

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Dec 2, 2008 6:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

NL Great Leaps Forward, per KG, Sept 2008:
Atlanta Braves

A second-round pick last June, first baseman Freddie Freeman showed plus raw power and outstanding hitting ability in his full-season debut, compiling a .316/.378/.521 at Low-A Rome. A tighter approach and more translation of his raw power to in-game performance could move him to the elite level.

Runner-up: Gigantic catcher Tyler Flowers showed outstanding secondary offensive skills by producing 32 doubles, 17 home runs, and 98 walks in a .288/.427/.494 season at High-A Myrtle Beach. He’s good enough to stay behind the plate despite being below average defensively, but the bat should more than make up for it.

link

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 6:32 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

per the THT annual

it sounds like it doesn’t actually make a whole lot of sense to go way over slot for a top 10 type pitcher if you’ve got a number of top 50 picks.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 6:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

sorry, my bad

i meant acquired minor league players from this deal and the swish deal, not draft picks from orlando.

so would kdub be warming up these players that were just acquired for another trade??

by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 2, 2008 6:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

it's possible

from the looks of it, though, these guys all have the markings of “Kenny’s guys”. Morton’s got good stuff without the results and Flowers rocked the AFL.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 6:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

oh yeah

Lillibridge sounds like a grinder.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 6:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

a-rod?

manny? I could live with losing Dye and adding Manny.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 6:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

can a-rod play 2nd though?

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Dec 2, 2008 6:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I thought center field

and lead off?

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 6:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Flowers and Viciedo sound like similar sorts of prospects

w/ Flowers being the more advanced in all regards

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 6:33 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Viciedo is a lot younger though

and Cuban

Thank you,
these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.

by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 6:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Gotta give him an extra point for the pride.

I don't need to look at fancy stats

to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST

by omnipotent grab on Dec 2, 2008 6:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

So if it is, in fact, Flowers + Morton + Lillibridge...

that’s gotta be pretty close to an “F’n A!” trade, although not all the way there. I’d give it a grade of “Party on, Wayne!”, though.

Seriously though, perusing that list, Flowers looks like as good a prospect as the Sox could have hoped for (besides Heyward). Not that I would mind getting Freeman or Hanson or Schafer, but grabbing a good catching prospect for the system is straight pimpin’.

by CWSKeith on Dec 2, 2008 6:46 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

where's the OPOS???

AJ will be dispensable…in the next year or two

by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 2, 2008 6:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well done TAEG

I don't need to look at fancy stats

to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST

by omnipotent grab on Dec 2, 2008 6:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You better be female.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 6:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

NO GAYS ALLOWED IN HERE!

I don't need to look at fancy stats

to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST

by omnipotent grab on Dec 2, 2008 6:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

NO AIDS BURGERS!

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 6:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

WTF!!!

I congratulated Coling yesterday!

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 7:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

its pronounced colin.

I don't need to look at fancy stats

to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST

by omnipotent grab on Dec 2, 2008 7:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

HWOP?

(how would ozzie pronounce it?)

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 7:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

* HOWPI?

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 7:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

coleen

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Dec 2, 2008 7:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

what's hobby done for us, huh????

97G, 6272/3 IP, 324R, 1.25 WHIP, 8.56 K/9

not bad

by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 2, 2008 6:52 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Vazquez is a good pitcher.

We’re not talking about Jaime Navarro or Todd Ritchie here. A guy who will give you 200 innings of average or better work has as lot of value. The Sox shouldn’t be dumping him for nothing.

Assuming this is true, I’m not against trading him, but if Lillibridge is the best player the Sox get back, that would be pretty bad.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Dec 2, 2008 6:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Flowers!

I don't need to look at fancy stats

to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST

by omnipotent grab on Dec 2, 2008 6:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I win.

I don't need to look at fancy stats

to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST

by omnipotent grab on Dec 2, 2008 6:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Also flagged.

I don't need to look at fancy stats

to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST

by omnipotent grab on Dec 2, 2008 6:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i don't think lillibridge is the player folks on SSS are raving about

i agree, javy is a good pitcher, and i put up those very basic stats to partially illustrate that point.

by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 2, 2008 6:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

AGREED

You might also have to look at this as addition by subtraction. He was a head case who could only pitch 4 2/3 innings a game (okay maybe 6) but still, he choked down the stretch. Kenny looked him in the eyes in Minnesota and it was over for Javy.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 7:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

'choked' on

3 days rest . . . need all the facts there. Regardless, there is still A LOT of value in a league average pitcher that can give you 200+ innings per year.

by jc2313 on Dec 2, 2008 7:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I have all the facts

a guy named John Danks and a guy named Buehrle pitched on 3 days rest… how did they pitch in comparison? He does have value and that is why it looks like we are getting a decent return.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 7:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well you stated this would be addition

by subtraction . . . hence, less than replacement level production which is not the case. I am not comparing him to any other pitcher as that is not what the comment was about.

by jc2313 on Dec 2, 2008 7:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

GETTING rid of the guy

was good enough for me.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 7:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

even before september

how many times have you ever been confident in javy making it multiple times through a lineup? how many “oh shit, here we go again” games with a 5th/6th meltdown have there been?

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Dec 2, 2008 7:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I always got the sense...

that Vazquez was the one most victimized by the horrible defense the Sox featured down the stretch. He’s not someone who pitches well out of the stretch.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Dec 2, 2008 7:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

4.64 RA with 200+ IP pitched?

yeah that’s pretty damn solid.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 6:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

But his FIP is really good!

I don't need to look at fancy stats

to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST

by omnipotent grab on Dec 2, 2008 6:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i were being serious

that’s like 40 runs saved compared to average over 200 IP.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 7:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Why would I be serious?

I don't need to look at fancy stats

to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST

by omnipotent grab on Dec 2, 2008 7:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Dec 2, 2008 7:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I was thinking that myself.

I don't need to look at fancy stats

to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST

by omnipotent grab on Dec 2, 2008 7:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No, he's quite bad.

Javy Vazquez on contending team vs. team’s main rival(s) and/or in postseason:
 
1998-2003 Montreal. Team never in contention (closest was 2nd place in 2002, but they were 19 games back of Braves)
2004: NYY. Vazquez vs. Boston: 1-2, 5.56 ERA
2005: AZ. Team not in contention (2nd place, but 77-85 record)
2006: SOX. Vazquez vs. Tigers: 0-1, 7.50 ERA. Vazquez vs. Twins: 0-4, 6.83 ERA.
2007 SOX. Team not in contention
2008 SOX. Vazquez vs. Twins: 2-1, 6.61 ERA
Postseason Career: 1-1, 10.65 ERA

I have said it before, but Javy appears to be the exception that proves the rule that, by the time you reach the majors, you’ve weeded out all the head cases. There’s just too much evidence to the contrary in his case.

by The Actual El Guapo on Dec 2, 2008 7:12 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

How about you put the numbers for the non contention years too.

I don't need to look at fancy stats

to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST

by omnipotent grab on Dec 2, 2008 7:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That's my point -- he's very good when his team sucks and very sucky when his team is good.

Look, I never buy the Cowley-esque “that guy sucks ’cause he has no heart”, or “that guy just doesn’t want it bad enough” crap that has always passed for sports journalism. Having said that, the fact remains: Vazquez is good-to-great in years when his team sucks and below average-to-awful in years when his team is good. There has literally never been a year in his career in which this had not been true. There’s too much to ignore in his case.

by The Actual El Guapo on Dec 2, 2008 7:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

well, the braves are fucking terrible

so career year javy!

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Dec 2, 2008 7:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

no I like these numbers.

addition by subtraction. REC!

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 7:15 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

how many total starts is that?

it looks like a handful. if you looked at all above average hitting teams versus average pitchers and then looked at Javy specifically, i’d be more convinced.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 7:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, it's at least 14 games based on decisions alone, probably closer to 20 when you factor in ND's

In addition to the stats, you’ve got the anectdotal evidence we all saw in 2006 and 2008. Lest we forget, the guy looked just godawful in literally every chance to pitch in a big game, struggling with control, blowing leads immediately after being provided them, etc.

I will not miss him.

by The Actual El Guapo on Dec 2, 2008 7:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

kenny chose lilibridge?
In return for Vazquez and another yet undisclosed White Sox player, Chicago will receive three players. The South Siders were given a list of five players and allowed to choose three. They were most interested in infielder Brett Lillibridge and catcher Tyler Flowers.

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081202&content_id=3699467&vkey=news_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Dec 2, 2008 6:58 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

He's fast!

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Dec 2, 2008 6:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Scrappy

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Dec 2, 2008 7:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

And has a low OPS

PUNTO!!!

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Dec 2, 2008 7:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

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!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

I don't need to look at fancy stats

to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST

by omnipotent grab on Dec 2, 2008 7:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

One word, Grinder.

I don't need to look at fancy stats

to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST

by omnipotent grab on Dec 2, 2008 6:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

sorry i didnt bother to check his color.

I don't need to look at fancy stats

to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST

by omnipotent grab on Dec 2, 2008 7:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I would.

I don't need to look at fancy stats

to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST

by omnipotent grab on Dec 2, 2008 7:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

But over those three years we got the better production.

I don't need to look at fancy stats

to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST

by omnipotent grab on Dec 2, 2008 7:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Over the past 3 years.

I don't need to look at fancy stats

to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST

by omnipotent grab on Dec 2, 2008 7:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If he indeed gets Flowers

I would argue Chris Young was worth the production.

by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 2, 2008 7:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i know that foo

he’s still yet to enter prime, if that’s what you’re alluding to, but he’s hasn’t shown much improvement from 2007 to 2008

by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 2, 2008 7:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

chris young = overrated

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 7:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I like this....Kenny is getting ready to throw the Sox into competition

for a Free Agent…..we are getting younger, we still have a solid corps and we are adding prospects and draft picks (OC)….

by stanchar on Dec 2, 2008 7:01 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Javy's RA/9 was slightly below average, but he threw 200+ IP again

the Sox seem to have this starting pitching thing figured out.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 7:08 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

and if you infer league average plus a bonus for the extra IP, he's getting approximately market value

5M/win —> 2.25 WAR —> 11.25/yr + .75 (asspulled IP bonus) ~ 12M/yr

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 7:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

you have to factor in chris young.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 7:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

he's been slightly worse than league average in CF in his age 23 and 24 seasons

that’s based on Chone projecting a -1 in CF next year…i can’t imagine he’s been that great in center the past two seasons if he’s a -1 for his age 25 season and obviously provided 0 production in 2006. If Javy was worth 3 WAR/year from 2006-2008, that’s 9 WAR total, of which CY has made back 4.5. the dollars per win are pretty obviously in the DBacks favor.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 7:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

3 Years of Javy, Plus Flowers (if it is) and who else they get has to be worth more then CY, no ?

by Grinder in Training on Dec 2, 2008 7:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yes.

I don't need to look at fancy stats

to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST

by omnipotent grab on Dec 2, 2008 7:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

well if you compare to 180 IP standard (which is probably a little high)

that’s 30 extra IP thrown at league average rather than replacement level, about 5 starts, or about another half win. so 2.75*5 = 13.75 per

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 7:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

So the question is...

what the Sox do about their rotation. Are the Sox really going into next season with Buehrle, Floyd, Danks, and a couple of kids who might or might not be decent? If so, what does that say about them trying to contend for 2009? Are they really convinced that Gavin Floyd is for real?

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Dec 2, 2008 7:14 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

it was addressed above

this looks like a 2007-style approach. if we can do no better than replacement level at Javy’s spot next year, then my Google Doc of Awesome says we’re just under .500 as a club.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 7:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Was not the same thing

stated regarding this year? If nothing else they have options . . . as I stated previously, I think you will see Poreda sooner rather than later next year.

Also, you have to consider you have a 2nd half of the season with Contreras . . . for whatever that is worth.

by jc2313 on Dec 2, 2008 7:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Is that so?

I thought Contreras would miss all of 2009.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Dec 2, 2008 7:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

thought best case was june or july

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Dec 2, 2008 7:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I believe that is accurate, so full 2nd half

may be a tad optimistic, but he is coming back from a non pitching arm injury . . .

by jc2313 on Dec 2, 2008 7:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i bet August at earliest

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 7:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

ruptured on 8/9, usually a year to heal

so if he’s back any time in august, make sure to post repeatedly then about how completely awesome your prognostication skills are.

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Dec 2, 2008 7:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

There are some reasons...

for concern. Below-average peripherals (30 homers, 70 walks, 145 Ks in 206.1 IP).

He deserves a rotation spot, but he’s not a sure thing.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Dec 2, 2008 7:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...

if by “for real” I didn’t know if you meant 120 ERA+ “for real” — I’d certainly be skeptical about him repeating that — versus for real in the sense that he can stay in the league as a valuable starting pitcher (league average, maybe a bit better). I think he’s done a good lot towards proving he can do the latter.

by CWSKeith on Dec 2, 2008 7:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Couldn't agree more with your worry and general thought process.

We need a proven starter to be serious…..not to mention a solid middle infielder or centerfielder. I gotta believe one of those is a free agent of elite status….Kenny is not the kind to throw away a season.

by dantesox on Dec 2, 2008 7:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

its too good to be true

to get excited about flowers, i wont believe it until i see it.

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Dec 2, 2008 7:19 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

no sir

but is it common for the best player in the trade NOT to be named right away?

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Dec 2, 2008 7:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Javy's the best player.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 7:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

more specific

on our side.

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Dec 2, 2008 7:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

usually the guy that hasn't made AA

doesn’t get that kind of pub.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 7:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

The guys who have ML service time are going to get more billing.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Dec 2, 2008 7:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Blargh.

Sorry, every time I see that particular combination of words, I have to say “Blargh.”

by The Actual El Guapo on Dec 2, 2008 7:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

16 million off the payroll (javy and swish)

another 32ish after this season (Jose, Dye, Thome)……
I think Dye gets dealt and we sign Adam Dunn.

by stanchar on Dec 2, 2008 7:20 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

-13 runs according to Chone

which is obviously abysmal.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 7:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Win Accounting Dunn:

Off: 2.0 WAA
Def: -1.3 WAA
Pos: -.75

so he’s roughly average for a corner OF. interestingly, his Def+Pos Adj is greater than 1.75, so he contributes more to the team as a DH than an OF.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 7:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

why

we already have adam dunn’s father jim

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Dec 2, 2008 7:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

they said that on the score today...

lol

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 8:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

on the braves website

it is reporting a 6 player deal in which the sox got to choose 4 of 5 prospects instead of 3.

http://atlanta.braves.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081202&content_id=3699498&vkey=news_atl&fext=.jsp&c_id=atl

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Dec 2, 2008 7:23 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

chipper?

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Dec 2, 2008 7:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

sid bream and mark wohlers.

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Dec 2, 2008 7:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

well...

we already got Mark Lemke in lilli whatever

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Dec 2, 2008 7:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

jeff blauer!

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 7:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Blauser

you’re young. and forgiven.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Dec 2, 2008 7:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

typo.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 7:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

LIAR!

just kidding.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Dec 2, 2008 7:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

haha

though i think javy got a bad rap here in chicago based on a limited number of starts at the end of a pennant race

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Dec 2, 2008 7:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

you are correct sit

he’s pretty infuriating to watch sometimes though, so i get where that comes from.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 7:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

*sir.

wtf.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 7:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

get with it colin

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Dec 2, 2008 7:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

flagged

terrible wu impressions

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Dec 2, 2008 7:45 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Sit?

and yes i agree with that as well.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Dec 2, 2008 7:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

lmao.

I don't need to look at fancy stats

to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST

by omnipotent grab on Dec 2, 2008 7:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

who cares?

Flowers is confirmed all that matters.

by Grinder in Training on Dec 2, 2008 7:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

sweeeeeeet

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 7:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

boom bitches

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Dec 2, 2008 7:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

does it matter?

if thats the haul, thats great!

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Dec 2, 2008 7:25 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

lets get markakis instead.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/baseball/bal-markakis1202,0,5518914.story?track=rss

maybe if he doesn’t want an extension they’d trade him. maybe i’ll bang vanessa marcil tonight too…but let me dream

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Dec 2, 2008 7:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i would be disappointed if that were to happen

weren’t liney and him like redneck fishing buddies or something?

by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 2, 2008 7:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

was typing a fucking paper and get a phone call from my dad asking about vazquez

and as i z through these comments….i giggle more and more uncontrollably at the thought of tyler flowers catching for gavin floyd….there’s 2 fucking beasts of men…..i like this morton kid and lillibridge…he can be at least decent right?

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Dec 2, 2008 7:28 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

where you pullin that one from?

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Dec 2, 2008 7:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Dec 2, 2008 7:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yes

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Dec 2, 2008 7:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

* pukes

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 8:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder if that extra guy from the Braves could

be a veteran with some cash owed him….do they have any dead weight? I’m thinking someone in the 3-6 million range….can’t think of who it would be….

by stanchar on Dec 2, 2008 7:34 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Has this been posted?
7:05pm: MLB.com’s Mark Bowman says the White Sox will actually receive four players in the deal. They’ll choose from a list of five, with Flowers and Lillibridge their top targets.

Thank you,
these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.

by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 7:36 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

ric flair

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Dec 2, 2008 7:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i would like to know which player we leave out from the list.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 7:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

5-4 = 1

and/or unity.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 7:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i meant right now

not afterwards

my heart is all a flutter and i love KW again

It's all in the game

by U-God on Dec 2, 2008 7:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah i am not getting this paper done

with frickin trades like this going down.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 7:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah i hear you man....8 page paper on nathaniel bacon...fuck that

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Dec 2, 2008 7:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i'm glad i have half of that

fucking research for this thing is a biiiiitch.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 7:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

im glad

i never have to write a paper again.

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Dec 2, 2008 7:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i kind of do it as a hobby

…a severely underpaid hobby. where my chedda?

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 7:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

and here i thought sbnation paid in gov't cheese

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Dec 2, 2008 8:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

because it's bio and i'm a fucking english major.

why am i writing papers for this class?

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 7:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

fuck my history major life

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Dec 2, 2008 7:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

?

It's all in the game

by U-God on Dec 2, 2008 7:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

My recommendation for this paper?

“Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
(repeat for 7.97 pages)
… Bacon.”

by The Actual El Guapo on Dec 2, 2008 7:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Who is this person?

For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.

by winningugly on Dec 2, 2008 7:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

he led a rebellion back in the 1770s....wanted all the indians to leave or die

you know…

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Dec 2, 2008 7:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

bacon's rebellion.

I taught that 2 years ago.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Dec 2, 2008 7:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

write my paper !

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Dec 2, 2008 7:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

no.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Dec 2, 2008 7:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

damn

you still in the wrestling crowd?

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Dec 2, 2008 7:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yes.

well sort of. Armando got released. I have been spending the past 2 weeks getting him indy bookings

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Dec 2, 2008 7:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

ohhh yeah i heard about that

poor guy

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Dec 2, 2008 7:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

eh

he’ll be back eventually. left on good terms. going to get more in ring experience

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Dec 2, 2008 7:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

talked to your guy punk lately?

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Dec 2, 2008 7:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

have not seen him in a month or so.

They had a long european tour

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Dec 2, 2008 7:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

dude i gotta meet this guy sometime

my little brother’s a huge fan of him….how’d you come to know these guys

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Dec 2, 2008 8:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Armando has been a good friend

for a long time. before he even considered going into wrestling.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Dec 2, 2008 8:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

seeing as he died in 1676, you might want to read your sources closer

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Dec 2, 2008 7:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

that was another nathaniel bacon

bitch

regards ;)

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Dec 2, 2008 7:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

must be something in the name

the older one

Before the “Virginia Rebellion,” as it was then called, began in earnest, in 1674, a group of so-called “freeholders” on the Virginia frontier demanded that American Indians living on treaty-protected lands be driven out or killed.

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Dec 2, 2008 7:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

you're right....this trade is making me lose my fucking mind!

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Dec 2, 2008 7:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

fuck me for not knowing that

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Dec 2, 2008 7:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

*sit

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Dec 2, 2008 7:56 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

recdwo4life

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 8:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

wrecked

It's all in the game

by U-God on Dec 2, 2008 7:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Really, who the fuck is this?

;)

For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.

by winningugly on Dec 2, 2008 7:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The Trading of Javy Merits an Off-Season Pop-In

even from someone as peripatetic (your $500 word) as I.

by The Actual El Guapo on Dec 2, 2008 7:50 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Glad you popped.

For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.

by winningugly on Dec 2, 2008 7:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder it could be Rafael Soriano....

owed 6 milion in ’09….injury-prone power righty serving as more insurance if decision is made to deal jenks.

by stanchar on Dec 2, 2008 7:43 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

chipper jones

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Dec 2, 2008 7:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

jair jurrjens?

jeff franceour?
brian mccann?

but seriously Soriano would be a nice 4th guy

Thank you,
these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.

by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 7:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

do no want frenchy

It's all in the game

by U-God on Dec 2, 2008 7:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

not^

It's all in the game

by U-God on Dec 2, 2008 7:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Really, who is this person?

For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.

by winningugly on Dec 2, 2008 7:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

come on old man

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Dec 2, 2008 7:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 8:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It's all in the game

by U-God on Dec 2, 2008 8:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

in honor of kotchman = old meme

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 8:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

nice!

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Dec 2, 2008 9:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

casey kotchman

It's all in the game

by U-God on Dec 2, 2008 7:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 7:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

someone had to

It's all in the game

by U-God on Dec 2, 2008 7:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

don't understand the kotch love

he’s aight but I’m not convinced he’s LA 1B

by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 2, 2008 7:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Whoosh!

I don't need to look at fancy stats

to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST

by omnipotent grab on Dec 2, 2008 7:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

colin's +1 is a symbol and a number

made it seem like he meant something by it

by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 2, 2008 7:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

very long

I don't need to look at fancy stats

to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST

by omnipotent grab on Dec 2, 2008 7:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

it's a kenyan of a meme

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 8:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

So, with our best trading chips, Dye and Jenks, both being replaceable on the free agent market in Dunn, and one of the many closers (Wood, Fuentes, etc..).. and many SP’s on the free agent market. Could KW have set himself up for a spending spree when all the other teams are afraid to spend due to the economy?

I think my head exploded with joy.

KW sure does work quick.

by Grinder in Training on Dec 2, 2008 7:47 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

the answer to your question is an emphatic no

reassemble your head, the popcorn coming out of it is getting on my trousers. You might want to get that checked out, btw. Isn’t there supposed to be a brain there?

by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 2, 2008 7:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Say it with me: CC.

For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.

by winningugly on Dec 2, 2008 7:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

giggity

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Dec 2, 2008 7:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

isn't der fehr-er was forcing him to NY?

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Dec 2, 2008 8:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Fourth player potentially Jon Gilmore?

That’s completely unsubstantiated, by the way — I just saw his name pop-up in the minorleagueball.com thread as well as the thread at BTF. If it is, in fact, Gilmore, this is turns is fucking phenomenal. He’s got some pretty kick-ass stats, although he’s obviously a long ways away:

http://minors.baseball-reference.com/players.cgi?pid=33548

by CWSKeith on Dec 2, 2008 7:57 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

mlbtr

some atlanta fans are saying hes in it, according to their radio guy i believe…. but also saying morton is not involved.

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Dec 2, 2008 7:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

rosenthal

says NO reyes, and mentions lillibridge and flowers.

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Dec 2, 2008 8:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

But only 1 stolen base!

And even that was when he was apparently on the Romanian national team (ROM) — those Eastern European catchers can’t throw for shit. Though they do man a mean pommel horse.

by The Actual El Guapo on Dec 2, 2008 8:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You should see their Iron Crosses.

Can hold ’em for hours.

For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.

by winningugly on Dec 2, 2008 8:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Dec 2, 2008 8:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Can anyone find a scouting report on the guy?
  1. pick for the Braves in ’07 is all I know.

I don't need to look at fancy stats

to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST

by omnipotent grab on Dec 2, 2008 8:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

noticed that too

FAIL

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Dec 2, 2008 8:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

left that change a little over the plate their feisty

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Dec 2, 2008 8:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

*sit

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Dec 2, 2008 8:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Dec 2, 2008 8:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

here

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Santos%20Rodriguez&pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=520951

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Dec 2, 2008 8:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

not bad

looks good to me

by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 2, 2008 8:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

6'5", 180.

Che on the mound.

PS Does this mean we are amping up for LeBron in 2010?

For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.

by winningugly on Dec 2, 2008 8:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

no

wade.

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Dec 2, 2008 8:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

the prodigal son returns!

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Dec 2, 2008 8:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Rose + Wade = Infinite Lives

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 8:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

more like

rose + wade = up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, B, A, select, start

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Dec 2, 2008 8:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

also

http://thebaseballcube.com/players/R/Santos-Rodriguez.shtml

I don't need to look at fancy stats

to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST

by omnipotent grab on Dec 2, 2008 8:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

List of names mentioned so far:

Jo Jo Reyes
Charlie Morton
Tyler Flowers
Brent Lillibridge
Jon Gillmore
Santos Rodriguez

did i miss any?

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 8:07 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

science, baby.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 8:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

greg maddux from the 90s

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Dec 2, 2008 8:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

chicks dig the long ball.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 8:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

he's only henry now.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 8:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The Atlanta blogger (O'Brien) who most people are getting their shiite from is saying it's Gilmore, Flowers, Lilli and Rodriguez

If that’s true, I’d rather have Morton than either Gilmore or Rodriguez, but Rodriguez doesn’t look to be a bad find — 20 year old 6"5 lefty who struck out 45 in 29 IP.

by CWSKeith on Dec 2, 2008 8:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

And, with that....

I don’t think there’s any doubt Kenny has his sights on one of the higher profile pitchers….personally, I’D LIKE TO SEE HIM GET bEN sHEETS.

by dantesox on Dec 2, 2008 8:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yuck!

what are you thinking?

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 8:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

"Pending Physicals"

wtf are they testing?

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Dec 2, 2008 8:10 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

It's all in the game

by U-God on Dec 2, 2008 8:11 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

hope he's about to amputate those dusty ass teeth.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 9:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Javy

with the Sox, you best due your dilligence

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 8:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

so to speak.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 8:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

true, i forgot that whenever kenny trades a pitcher you have to test for armabouttofalloff-itis

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Dec 2, 2008 8:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

How much do you hang on psychiatry?

With Javy it’s from the neck up.

For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.

by winningugly on Dec 2, 2008 8:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

so he's this >< close to a complete fucking meltdown, then

awesome.

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Dec 2, 2008 8:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I miss Toonder's nuclear explosion picture.

For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.

by winningugly on Dec 2, 2008 8:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

he's the centerpiece from the sound of it

plus the Kenny-AFL connection, it really lines up.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 8:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

FUCKING WIN!!!

I don't need to look at fancy stats

to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST

by omnipotent grab on Dec 2, 2008 8:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's all in the game

by U-God on Dec 2, 2008 8:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Your doing great tonight.

I don't need to look at fancy stats

to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST

by omnipotent grab on Dec 2, 2008 8:15 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Unfortunately it is my left testicle.

Mrs. WU has been not very accomodating.

For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.

by winningugly on Dec 2, 2008 8:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I unrecd it jus so i could rec it twice.

I don't need to look at fancy stats

to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST

by omnipotent grab on Dec 2, 2008 8:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If this is true, what do yo u all think?
7:42pm: O’Brien believes Chicago’s return to be Flowers, Lillibridge, third baseman Jon Gilmore, and pitcher Santos Rodriguez.

Thank you,
these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.

by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 8:15 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

4:2 - according to Phil Rogers, we win by a factor of 2.

For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.

by winningugly on Dec 2, 2008 8:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

*margin of 2

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 8:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Is 2:1 not a factor of 2?

For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.

by winningugly on Dec 2, 2008 8:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

phil rogers doesn't know multiplication.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 8:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually this is big loss according to rogers

no major leaguers in return

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Dec 2, 2008 8:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

:(

yaargh

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 8:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

We get Lemke and I'm ordering season tickets tonight.

For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.

by winningugly on Dec 2, 2008 8:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

hah

recd

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Dec 3, 2008 1:24 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

We are not just comparing returns measured in heartbeats?

For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.

by winningugly on Dec 2, 2008 8:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Cheat why don't you think it's Gilmore?

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 8:23 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Can we get another thread?

I don't need to look at fancy stats

to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST

by omnipotent grab on Dec 2, 2008 8:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

And a table dance?

For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.

by winningugly on Dec 2, 2008 8:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Dec 2, 2008 8:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, my stars.

Where is her hand…?

For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.

by winningugly on Dec 2, 2008 8:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

what's the SSS jurisdiction?

do i have to keep my hands at my sides during the dance or what?

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Dec 2, 2008 8:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i'll allow it!

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Dec 2, 2008 10:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

And a change for a five for that table dance?

I don't need to look at fancy stats

to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST

by omnipotent grab on Dec 2, 2008 8:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

New thread's a-coming.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 8:26 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

That deserves a slap on the ass.

I don't need to look at fancy stats

to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST

by omnipotent grab on Dec 2, 2008 8:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I did good today!

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 8:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Beat you

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Dec 2, 2008 8:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

well delete the other one

i’ma c/p what i wrote some-a-wahrs

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 8:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

aw come on, mine's prettier.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 8:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

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