Ruminations on Rumors (w/ Bonus Vazquez Rumor)

by The Cheat on Dec 2, 2008 4:39 PM CST in Rumors Comment 597 comments

Scanning Google Reader -- Suck it, Bloglines! -- over the past 24 hours, I came across a couple of related entries from two completely different type of sites. I thought about posting them separately as FanShots, but I thought they combined to frame a more robust discussion about the baseball rumor landscape.

In the first, Will Carrol, of Pete Rose reinstated and Washington Grays fame, as well as Baseball Prospectus' Under The Knife, recently announced that he would not be participating in the rumor mongering during the upcoming winter meetings (Dec. 8-11th). Not that I really care; as he says, the market is saturated with plenty of hard-working journos (both Carrol and Aaron Gleeman cite Ken Rosenthal in particular). No, I'm linking to his resignation from the rumor game because of the numbers he cites about the rumors themselves.

Paul DePodesta wrote that 25% of rumors have any basis in fact. I spoke with Andrew Friedman earlier this year and he gave a slightly higher number. I’d say that the number is higher still, probably about 50%. There’s some nugget of truth, some overheard conversation or leak, some good source talking out of school in — just a guess — half. About 25% is chatter - secondary things that aren’t quite right, people talking about things that never quite get to the real talking stage. I can remember a team saying they liked a guy and then a couple weeks later, that guy was in a trade rumor involving the team. It didn’t happen, but someone filled in the gap with something plausible. Not right, but not entirely wrong.

About 10% beyond that is trial balloons. They aren’t facts, but agents and teams like to get stuff out there and it’s useful to some extent, assuming you can pick apart the layers of anonymity. I’d argue there’s real value here in that it helps create action. In Moneyball, Peter Gammons was shown to be a go-between, an information clearinghouse for what teams were trying to do and there’s unquestionably a value there.

It’s the other 15% that’s worrisome. It’s the whole cloth, puff of smoke lies that throw everything off and give the whole process a bad name. I’ll split that into half "good" and half "evil" — the good smoke is just talking points, people throwing ideas on the wall and covering them in a thin candy shell of credibility. The evil smoke is designed to do something, to create action or in most cases, just attention. These seldom hold up very long, but they’re out there and worse, there’s some big name people that do this far too often, likely under pressure of deadline or an editor telling them to produce something.

The second comes from Gawker, the New York and media centric mega-blog, which uses the recent news that David Gregory will (read: may) take over at Meet The Press as a backdrop for a discussion on rumors and journalism on the internet.

In classic journalism, rumors had to be double-sourced before, say, a newspaper would run with them. So you get a tip, then you have to find some other person who would know to agree with it. That person should not be the original tipster. Pretty simple.

But everything is new and different now! Online "news" outlets are not all as professional as we are around here. Rumors pop up everywhere online, all the time. But here's the key difference between now and the old days: if a rumor is reported online, people tend to treat it as a rumor until it's reported somewhere else. Then, two places have it up separately, and ta-da! It's the internet version of double-sourcing. It doesn't necessarily require any enterprise on the part of lazier blogs—just wait until two places report it, and it's gold! No actual sources necessary!

How do the two relate? Well, without truly knowing the ins-and-outs--I'm just a blogger, remember--I'd argue that there is no Two-Scource-Rule for a baseball rumor. If it's whispered and can pass the smell test, it'll probably be written about, or at least re-whispered on the radio. But I'd also argue that we, as semi-functional basement-dwellers, have formed something of our own Two-Source-Rule. Take the Jermaine Dye Rumors, for instance.

Dye has been mentioned in regards to numerous teams, but the rumor that seems to have taken hold involves the Reds. Why? Because it's been written about by different outlets--Some Cinci radio station (not WKRP), The Enquirer, ChiSox.com, and the Trib--though all seem to be using a similar source, pointing back at the first source and adding Jockety's non-denial. So now it's a super-duper, 4-star, rhodium-plated rumor, because it has multiple sources....

And, I'll end that discussion there--even though I had more to say--because the Best-In-The-Business has a Hot-Off-The-Stove rumor for us.

The Braves, moving to address their starting pitching needs, are in serious discussions with the White Sox about a trade for right-hander Javier Vazquez, according to major-league sources.

The White Sox would receive as many three players in return. Left-hander Jo-Jo Reyes and infielder Brent Lillibridge are among the names under discussion, sources said.

[Update by The Cheat, 12/02/08 5:04 PM CST]: The opening line of Rosenthal's article now reads "The Braves, moving to address their starting pitching needs, are on the verge of acquiring right-hander Javier Vazquez from the White Sox, according to major-league sources." (emphasis added is mine)

[Update by The Cheat, 12/02/08 6:05 PM CST]: Rosenthal now says it's done pending physicals. Announcement Wednesday or Thursday. Players departing: Vazquez and Boone Logan. Players arriving: Brent Lillibridge (short, fast, scrappy, middle infielder with a hole in his swing), a young starter thought to be Charlie Morton (mediocre, uninspiring back-of-the-rotation candidate) and possibly Tyler Flowers (Power and plate discipline catcher, who just destroyed the AFL, but needs work behind the plate).

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Jo-Jo Reyes seems like a nice piece

But does him and Lillibridge plus whatever else make us a better team in ’09?

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these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.

by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 4:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

i don't think so

but all these moves sure would be making us young

It's all in the game

by U-God on Dec 2, 2008 4:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I haven't been a fan of Lillibridge since I first heard of him when he was traded from the Pirates

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by The Cheat on Dec 2, 2008 4:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

yeah i mean I'd be a lot happier about Reyes, but it can't hurt to have

some more depth up the middle, right?

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these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.

by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 4:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i just wonder who KW would be harvesting all these AAAA players to get

It's all in the game

by U-God on Dec 2, 2008 4:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I wouldn't call Jo-Jo a AAAA guy, but you'd imagine

either an outfielder, or a 3B… meh its all such a mess as he has so many options on where he can add a piece…

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these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.

by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 4:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

4:53pm: Rosenthal now says the Braves are on the verge of acquiring Vazquez.

BOOM

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these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.

by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 5:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I'll add the update

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Dec 2, 2008 5:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Gregor Blanco

here we come

by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 2, 2008 5:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

hes like super fast right? (gay accent)

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these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.

by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 5:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Unlike Lillibridge, Blanco is a player I've been touting since he was on the same Venezuelan team as Sweeney and Anderson

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Dec 2, 2008 5:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

and like Lillibridge,

he isn’t all that great

by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 2, 2008 5:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

He's Ty Cobb compared to Lillibridge

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Dec 2, 2008 5:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

he stabs elevator operators?

It's all in the game

by U-God on Dec 2, 2008 5:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

hes got a nice career OBP... if he managed to get any sort of power he looks like he'd be a solid player

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these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.

by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 5:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

From teh Google

Dated November 25th ’06

Gregor.Blanco.

Here’s a guy the Sox should be targeting.

The Braves are kinda in the market for a leadoff guy. I saw they were in the conversation for Roberts, whose skills are pretty redundant with Mr. Dergan’s. I don’t know what the market will be for Pods, since i don’t know if there is a team out there stupid enough to think that he can play centerfield.

Gregor Blanco is a 22 year old Venezuelan recently added to the Braves 40-man roster. He spent time between AA and AAA this year, posting OBPs of .397 and .408 in the Southern and International Leagues, respectively. He also stole 31 bags, though he got caught 15 times.

He’s currently playing for a certain team that is now being coached, at least in some part, by Ozzie Guillen in Venezuela, the Tiburones. In the league where Anderson and Fields couldn’t hit their weight, Blanco’s hitting .295/.415/.409.

Because Gregor has absolutely ZERO power, you’re not going to see him on any top prospect list, (Sickels didn’t list him in his most recent Braves top 20. BA didn’t even name him to the top 20 players recently added to the 40-man roster, while they put Heath Phillips 9th) but he belongs in the conversation. He’s posted OBPs at or very near .400 at every stop in the minors, and figures to be able to do the same at the majors.

I suspect that Ozzie’s got a good scouting report on the kid, and if he feels he can play, we’ll be making a push for him. However, there is one troubling sign. I don’t know how involved Ozzie is with the Tiburones, but whoever is filling out the lineup cards down there keeps putting Blanco 9th, with Alex Sanchez (Yes, I’m pretty sure it’s that Alex Sanchez) leading off.

Let’s just hope that if Pods is gone, we’ve got a replacement that hasn’t been dumped by the Tigers, Giants, and DRays. Because Sanchez is tearing up the VEN

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by The Cheat on Dec 2, 2008 5:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

So who we getting?

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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

looks like Jo-Jo Reyes, Brent Lillibridge, and one more player.

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these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.

by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 5:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

that's sort of not as bad as the Swisher deal, right?

by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 2, 2008 5:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

One would have to assume...

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these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.

by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 5:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

emphasis on "sort of not as bad"

It's all in the game

by U-God on Dec 2, 2008 5:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

no

just on “sort of”

and by “sort of not as bad as”, I meant “probably worse than, all things considered,”

by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 2, 2008 5:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

yeah

It's all in the game

by U-God on Dec 2, 2008 5:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

From Cowley's Twitter

Bye-bye Javy Vazquez. Off to the Braves pending physical.

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these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.

by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 5:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

This would appear to be crappy.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Gammons is saying

Boone Logan is part of the deal

by indianguy30 on Dec 2, 2008 5:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

And no Jo-Jo Reyes...

hmmm what is going on

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these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.

by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 5:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

that's randomly amusing

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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

here

FOXSports.com’s Ken Rosenthal says Jo-Jo Reyes won’t be in the deal. Perhaps Charlie Morton or Kris Medlen will be. We can’t imagine the deal getting done without the White Sox getting some pitching in return. Relievers Manny Acosta and Blaine Boyer would also make sense as possibilities. Lillibridge, if traded, could compete with Chris Getz and Jayson Nix for the starting job at second base for the White Sox.

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these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.

by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 5:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Shit. I wanted Reyes.

I hope Lillibridge isn’t the “big prize” that comes from ATL.

by JoeCoolMan24 on Dec 2, 2008 5:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

this fucking sucks

It's all in the game

by U-God on Dec 2, 2008 5:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

well if its Vazquez for Lillibridge then yeah

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these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.

by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 5:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

EDIT Vazquez and Boone Logan for Lillibridge

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these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.

by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 5:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

not that I give a shit or anything

he was only the fourth best pitcher in the AL, right?

by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 2, 2008 5:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

umm, no.

by jc2313 on Dec 2, 2008 5:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

but the guys at beyond the boxscore said he was.

are you saying they’re incorrect?

JERRY OWENS

by larry on Dec 2, 2008 5:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

beyond the boxscore sucks

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these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.

by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 5:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

wut

by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 2, 2008 5:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

just dont like all the sabermetric bullshit

i mean some of it makes sense, but most of it is just numbers that really give you a headache thinking about more than they tell you about a player

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these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.

by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 5:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

disagree

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

colin needs stats to tell if a player sucks.

weak.

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Dec 2, 2008 6:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Who am I to disagree with

the almighty over at beyond the boxscore and the annual overrating of Javy Vazquez . . . though I can tell you what to do with his xFIP or whatever other peripheral you want to look at that he is supposedly underperforming to.

by jc2313 on Dec 2, 2008 5:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

hey, he was actually great in '07

but every other year, yeah.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

also they did say they didn't think he's 4th best or whatever

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

no, he wasn't.

but he was pretty solid.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I can agree with that.

by jc2313 on Dec 2, 2008 5:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

fuck my life

I hope Kenny has the fucking time of his life with the extra 25 cents he has to work with

by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 2, 2008 5:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Gammons

A baseball source told ESPN’s Peter Gammons that the deal will include four other players, including reliever Boone Logan, who would also go from the White Sox to the Braves.

Among the players expected to go from Atlanta to the Chicago organization are Jo-Jo Reyes, Brett Lillibridge and another top prospect.

by indianguy30 on Dec 2, 2008 5:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

two suspected head cases in one deal, huh.

JERRY OWENS

by larry on Dec 2, 2008 5:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

not to mention the

one we already got rid of.

larrys fortune cookie: you will learn much and have the advantage of not reading my pompous responses.

by bhoov on Dec 2, 2008 5:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

the money saved will go into a brainwashing program

by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 2, 2008 5:33 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

LOL!

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Dec 2, 2008 6:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Ozzie is getting his team, that's for sure.

Foxhole guys.

For some reason I feel like having a Cuban sandwich.

by winningugly on Dec 2, 2008 7:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

good point.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 8:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i love how kenny is on the warpath to purge the sox of any malcontents/non-gamers.

and by love i mean i’m worried.

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Dec 2, 2008 6:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Per Rosenthal: no Reyes

The White Sox will receive as many three players in return. Infielder Brent Lillibridge is expected to be in the deal, along with a young starting pitcher. Left-hander Jo-Jo Reyes was among the pitchers under discussion, but is not in the trade, sources said.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Wait

I get it. We’re making a bunch of salary room for some sort of FA right?

god dammit

It's all in the game

by U-God on Dec 2, 2008 5:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

It would seem that way, wouldn't it.

We have traded away like $17 M from next years payroll, right? Not to mention no more Uribe, Cabrera, Crede, ect.

Quick, one of you payroll experts, how much less are we looking at right now? CC Sabathia!?!?!?! lol

by JoeCoolMan24 on Dec 2, 2008 5:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Kenny finally has the money for "his guy"

Nomar. Plus, a new lemonade stand for the yung’ uns! Big picture, Joe. Big picture.

by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 2, 2008 5:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

NOMAR?

TRADE GRADE A+ IF TRUE

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these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.

by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 5:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I hear Kenny is going after Orlando Hudson

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Dec 2, 2008 6:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

We need more 2B

Every deal should include a 2B, the Jim Hendry school of GMing

and we’re dangerously low on our Orlando quotient

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Dec 2, 2008 6:11 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

Precisely

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Dec 2, 2008 6:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i'd also prefer to have completed all of our offseason moves before most other teams have done anything.

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Dec 2, 2008 6:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

ROFL!!!!!

Don't look back because we are going forward!

by Brush Back on Dec 2, 2008 6:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

ESPN just confirmed it

This better mean we’re in the running for a free agent stud.

I don’t know why else they’re clearing cap room?

Either way, I’m happy we got something for Javier!

by Option27 on Dec 2, 2008 5:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

ROFL!!!!

Don't look back because we are going forward!

by Brush Back on Dec 2, 2008 6:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

did you even get up off the floor from the last one?

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Dec 2, 2008 6:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Cheat: 18 months ago on Lillibridge

http://www.southsidesox.com/2007/7/18/03839/5384

Lillibridge was off my radar until he was traded from the Pirates organization last off-season. His ‘06 line made him a PECOTA hero, but he hasn’t even managed to put up his ML projections in AA and AAA this season. From the two at-bats that I got to see from him in the Futures Game, he appears to have a Brian Anderson or Josh Fields type hole in his swing. The breaking balls at the upper levels have begun to catch up with him, and I’m not sure that he’ll be able to stick in the majors in the future. I’d pass.

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Dec 2, 2008 5:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

yeah that sounds right looking at his first inning page

he’s a Uribe replacement if he’s even MLB capable.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

is he a honey-magnet too?

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Dec 2, 2008 6:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

nope. dude has a negative HORP

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Dec 2, 2008 6:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

his numbers are as good as fields.

that’s the sad thing.

JERRY OWENS

by larry on Dec 2, 2008 6:15 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs

ah

just when i thought it was dead. you pulled it back in.

larrys fortune cookie: you will learn much and have the advantage of not reading my pompous responses.

by bhoov on Dec 2, 2008 6:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i love that line. i think it should be used liberally.

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Dec 2, 2008 6:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

mlb trade rumors

5:19pm: ESPN’s Peter Gammons says Vazquez is flying to Atlanta tomorrow for a physical. The White Sox will send Vazquez and lefty Boone Logan to the Braves for Reyes, Lillibridge, and another prospect.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 5:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Another prospect better equal Jordan Shafer

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Dec 2, 2008 5:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I prefer

Tommy Hanson

by jc2313 on Dec 2, 2008 5:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I prefer Scarlett Johansson

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Dec 2, 2008 6:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I forgot, MM likes pics

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Dec 2, 2008 6:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

she's mega hot. very fair skinned, but way too good-looking for me to complain.

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Dec 2, 2008 6:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

A ball reliever.

come on. we know KW’s modus.

JERRY OWENS

by larry on Dec 2, 2008 5:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

BOOM

Rosenthal just said on Comcast Sportsnet that most likely deal is

Vazquez and Logan for
Lillibridge, Morton and some catcher named Tyler something…

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these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.

by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 5:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

YESSS

TYLER FLOWERS?!?!

PLZ YES PLZ

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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

AFL Strikes again!

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Dec 2, 2008 5:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

exactly.

OPS+ baby!

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Flowers?

That would soften the blow considerably, and it makes sense…

by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 2, 2008 5:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

yeah i was waiting to hear his name

i was daydreaming earlier today that it would be sweet to get him.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

after looking at flowers' numbers

is there any realistic chance we get him?

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these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.

by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 5:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

pray to the baseball gods sir

but we need a C. AJ’s last year is either this one or next.

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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

more realistically

he’d be replacing Konerko

by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 2, 2008 5:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

better defensively than brandon allen?

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these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.

by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 5:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

he plays catcher

so I’d hope so

and yeah, Allen is especially suck in the field, I think.

by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 2, 2008 5:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

in this context?

by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 2, 2008 6:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Is this Morton fellow anyone decent?

by CWSKeith on Dec 2, 2008 5:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

yeah.

well regarded. number 3 ceiling i want to say.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

age?

I don’t see him on sickels’ list…

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Dec 2, 2008 6:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

ya missed him.

“5) Tyler Flowers, C, Grade B: Love the power and walks, main question is glove.”

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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 6:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

morton

not blind yet!

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Dec 2, 2008 6:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

oops.

sorry. misread it. yeah, age. threw 75 IP in MLB.

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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 6:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

oh

thanks

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Dec 2, 2008 6:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

yeah is he better or worse than Jo-Jo

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by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 5:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Tyler Flowers - 22-year-old righty

hit .288/.427/.494/.921 with 17 HR 98 BB 102 K’s in 122 games last year.

Sure! Sign me up!

by JoeCoolMan24 on Dec 2, 2008 5:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

level?

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Dec 2, 2008 6:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

A+

FSL, iirc. So: nice.

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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 6:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

lets not get too excited

we dont even know who we are getting in return…. BUT, in Kenny I trust.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 6:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Minor League Ball: Braves Top 20

here

1) Jason Heyward, OF, Grade A-: A personal favorite, though he actually hit fewer homers than expected. Broad base of skills.
2) Frederick Freeman, 1B, Grade B+: Debating whether or not to move him up to A-. Not as broad a skill base as Heyward, but power and youth stand out.
3) Thomas Hanson, RHP, Grade B+: Looks good to me, though will need some Triple-A to put on the finishing touches. Number Two starter ceiling.
4) Jordan Schafer, OF, Grade B+: I should have put him on the Rotowire Top 100 list. Will be in the 50/50 for the book. Power, speed, defense, OBP, and played well without the juice.
5) Tyler Flowers, C, Grade B: Love the power and walks, main question is glove.
6) Cole Rohrbough, LHP, Grade B: Excellent ceiling. I cannot prove why objectively, but I worry a bit about his arm. Needs sharper command too.
7) Craig Kimbrel, RHP, Grade B: I hesitate to grade relief prospects this highly, but I can’t ignore his early dominance.
8) Gorkys Hernandez, OF, Grade B-: Would like to see more power, other skills coming along.
9) Kris Medlen, RHP, Grade B-: Am I overrating him? Looks like he could be a really good swingman.
10) Jeff Locke, LHP, Grade B-: I’ve liked him since he was in high school. Like Rohrbough, worry some about injuries.
11) Randall Delgado, RHP, Grade B-: Needs better command, but a high ceiling guy.
12) Brett DeVall, LHP, Grade B-: A long way away, but a high ceiling.
13) Zeke Spruill, RHP, Grade B-: Like DeVall, a long way off, but fits into organization philosophy perfectly.
14) Brandon Hicks, SS, Grade C+: Love the power, walks, speed, defense. Hate the strikeouts.
15) Eric Campbell, 3B, Grade C+: If his head is on straight, could surprise people in ’09.
16) James Parr, RHP, Grade C+: Fourth/fifth starter type.
17) J.J. Hoover, RHP, Grade C+: Sleeper call on a junior college guy that I love. Hard-thrower with improving command.
18) Kala Ka’aihue, 1B, Grade C+: Similar to his brother Kila though I don’t think he will perform quite as well in ’09 as his brother did in ’08.
19) David Francis, RHP, Grade C+: Sleeper pick.
20) Edgar Osuna, LHP, Grade C+: Sleeper pick, great K/BB ratio.

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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

thanks for adding something ;)

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 5:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

also: i thought reyes made less sense from the "yet another lefty?" perspective

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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

who cares

I wouldn’t want him even if he was throwing with his enormous ass

by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 2, 2008 5:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Morton's rate stats got kind of rough in his debut

but that’s not that uncommon. Plus we can check out his stuff w/ pfx.

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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I believe the timeline for Poreda to join the rotation was

just bumped up by a couple months.

by jc2313 on Dec 2, 2008 5:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

they'll pencil in Morton if he's part of the trade

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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I like the word 'pencil' and the other spot goes to . . .

Marquez? Probably for about a month since Kenny does have a bit of an ego thing and probably would like nothing more than for Marquez to take a spot. Poreda in the rotation May 1.

by jc2313 on Dec 2, 2008 5:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Richard, yo.

Buehrls, Danks, Floyd, Richard, Morton

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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Call me a firm believer in the Richard belongs

in the pen camp. Think he can be very effective out of the pen, but not seeing him as an effective starter long term.

by jc2313 on Dec 2, 2008 5:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i think he's probably durable

and he can be at least replacement level.

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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I won't argue that, but if winning in 2009

takes a priority to long term development than I think we see Poreda in early May.

by jc2313 on Dec 2, 2008 5:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

if we're selling off Vazquez

i don’t think winning in ’09 is the priority.

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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe he's using the money elsewhere

and believes Vazquez can be replaced, or close to it. Neither proposition is outlandish.

by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 2, 2008 5:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

That would require a FA splash

Kenny is usually pretty clear about his intentions there.

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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 6:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

My guess is he's re-using the 2006-07 philosophy, then.

by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 2, 2008 6:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

2007, imo

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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 6:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

as in 2006-2007 offseason

by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 2, 2008 6:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

oh, gotcha.

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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 6:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

agreed

anyone has to be an upgrade over Javy HAS to be and upgrade. Even if it is Richard… I am hoping Poreda is ready though. We need an intimidating beast to scare other teams.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 6:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I would be shocked if Kenny isn't planning

on contending in 2009. Sure he has an eye on the future as well, but we aren’t in the AL East . . . you can do both. Replacing Vazquez’s 2008 production isn’t far fetched . . . less than league average ERA?

by jc2313 on Dec 2, 2008 6:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

WOOOOOOOOOOO

5:34pm: Rosenthal says an announcement could come Wednesday or Thursday. He says Lillibridge is in the deal along with a young starter, but it’s not Reyes. Additionally, highly regarded catcher Tyler Flowers might be the third prospect (which would improve the trade quite a bit for the Sox).

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these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.

by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 5:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

plzplzplzplzplzplz

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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Serious. Morton, BL and TF feels goooood

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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

So its official, we want Morton over Reyes?

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these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.

by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 5:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

yeah

It's all in the game

by U-God on Dec 2, 2008 5:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

hmm

i think so

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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Then again, I'd rather it be Poreda than Morton

by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 2, 2008 5:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I prefer Reyes.

He has a consistently good minor league record. Morton had one good minor league year.

larrys fortune cookie: you will learn much and have the advantage of not reading my pompous responses.

by bhoov on Dec 2, 2008 5:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i'd like to read more

but Morton’s had buzz

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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed . . .

That would be a very solid haul for a player they seemingly were set on moving.

by jc2313 on Dec 2, 2008 5:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Rotation:

Buehrle, Danks, Floyd, Morton, Poreda/Marquez/Richard?

Wow. That’s a young ass rotation.

by JoeCoolMan24 on Dec 2, 2008 5:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

we're gonna be contending for a while now aren't we?

It's all in the game

by U-God on Dec 2, 2008 5:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

OPOS buehrle?

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Dec 2, 2008 6:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i like this deal

I think it’s clear that the White Sox are rebuilding this year, probably b/c the recession has hit them.

I expect them to clear more salary and maybe make a big FA splash next offseason when even more money comes off the books.

MrROFL.com

by shaftr on Dec 2, 2008 5:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Clearly the Sox are clearing money from the books for that big 2010 free agent class

I mean come on — LeBron, D-Wade, Stoudamire, Ginobili… fucking sweet.

by CWSKeith on Dec 2, 2008 5:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

LEBRON TO THE WHITE SOX

LOVE IT

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these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.

by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 5:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

12 tool athlete!

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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

obvs

he loves MJ so he’s going to follow in his footsteps…Birmingham, get ready for LBJ!

-Jeeves Life in the Cell

by jeeves on Dec 2, 2008 9:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

LOL

by Option27 on Dec 2, 2008 5:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Looks like Braves fans wouldn't want to give up Flowers alone for Javy

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by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 5:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

But

they are getting Logan as well! :)

by jc2313 on Dec 2, 2008 5:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

NOOOOOOOO

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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 5:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Dance, puppets, dance!

Vazquez is not worth Flowers straight up let alone with additional prospects. Surely Wren wouldnt make this deal.

Posted by: tsweet9000 | December 02, 2008 at 05:47 PM

by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 2, 2008 5:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

haha thats the exact post i was referring to in my post above...

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by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 5:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I love this "third starter at best" stuff Braves fans are trying to pull.

by Daniel Berlyn on Dec 2, 2008 6:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Atlanta fans like this Flowers guy

number one when it mattered!

by hoodlight on Dec 2, 2008 5:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

good they can keep him and send us mccann

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Dec 2, 2008 5:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I do too

We need a young catcher to take over the reigns of AJ eventually

by Option27 on Dec 2, 2008 5:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

they sure do

they sound like they didn’t get shit in the trade over at talking chop

It's all in the game

by U-God on Dec 2, 2008 5:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

IS ANYONE WATCHING ESPN IT IS FUCKING RIDICULOUS

I THINK I HAVE HEARD BREAKING NEWS AT LEAST 15 TIMES NO EXXAGERATION

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by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 5:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

AS I WAS TYPING THAT ANOTHER BREAKING NEWS FLASHED ON THE SCREEN

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

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by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 5:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes. Since I woke up 80 minutes ago

I have seen at least 11 or 12 BREAKING NEWS come across SportsCenter. lol. They were all big stories too.

by JoeCoolMan24 on Dec 2, 2008 6:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Morton isn't in the Kalk pfx d-base...

PLZ TO BE UPDATING JOSH TY

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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 6:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

you can use brooksbaseball

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Dec 2, 2008 6:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

not in the same way...

look up the dates of his starts first? blah.

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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 6:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yo jbasic

too bad Dye ain’t on that plane eh?

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 6:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

haha

My sig is strictly for record keeping, nothing against you

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by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 6:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

It's sweet dude!

Really! I found this KenWO classic and rub it in his face. He messed with one of my preseason predictions ;)

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 6:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

hey i fully admitted i was wrong in that case.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Dec 2, 2008 6:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

btw

vazquez trade (check)

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 6:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Way to go nostrodamus.

by Grinder in Training on Dec 2, 2008 6:16 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

rec

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 6:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

where would flowers rank in our top 10?

It's all in the game

by U-God on Dec 2, 2008 6:18 PM CST reply actions 1 recs

Hmm...

Third after Beckham and Poreda?

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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 6:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

we've got a nice top 5 now

It's all in the game

by U-God on Dec 2, 2008 6:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

When was the last time we could say our top 5 looked this legit?

Long ago

by Option27 on Dec 2, 2008 6:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

pre CY-JV trade

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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 6:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

what goes around comes around yo

by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 2, 2008 6:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

so are we in the teens farm system rankings-wise now?

It's all in the game

by U-God on Dec 2, 2008 6:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Flowers, Viciedo, Beckham, Danks and Shelby

is a pretty decent stockpile of position players.

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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 6:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I would say close

I said 25-27 before this trade.

I bet 20-22 now.

by JoeCoolMan24 on Dec 2, 2008 6:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

we don't even know for sure who we are getting back in return?

Or are we just happy that he is gone ;P

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 6:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

we're going off the reportings of morton, flowers, and littlebridge

It's all in the game

by U-God on Dec 2, 2008 6:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

As long as you dont use stats,

I don't need to look at fancy stats

to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST

by omnipotent grab on Dec 2, 2008 6:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i wouldn't dare

It's all in the game

by U-God on Dec 2, 2008 6:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You are missing the points.

I look at stats, all the time as a matter of fact. I just do not believe that you can accurately judge a player just on his stats. There are certain intangibles that can’t be recorded.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 6:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Have to agree with that statement

It would tend to be correct 92% of the time in relation to a probablity of + or – 7.5% with an deviation allocated for error in the 3% range.

Don't look back because we are going forward!

by Brush Back on Dec 2, 2008 7:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'd put

him 3rd or 4th.

Beckham
Poreda
Viciedo
Flowers
Danks
Allen

He might be at the top if we were sure he’ll stick at catcher.

larrys fortune cookie: you will learn much and have the advantage of not reading my pompous responses.

by bhoov on Dec 2, 2008 6:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

KG, May 2008:

Charlie Morton, RHP, Triple-A Richmond (Braves)
Morton has long been an enigma in the Braves system—a player with the kind of scouting reports that should make him a top prospect, but whose performances were hampered by control lapses and some questions about his maturity. He started to turn the corner last year at Double-A, and he’s built on it so far in the International League, firing seven one-hit innings on Saturday to lower his ERA to 2.14 in six outings, while allowing just 20 hits in 33 2/3 innings. Morton can flash three plus pitches at times, with a 88-92 mph fastball that he can dial up to 94 when the occasion warrants, an excellent curveball, and a good changeup with tumbling action and deceptive arm action. With John Smoltz moving to the bullpen and Mike Hampton about as dependable as your average cable TV installer, Morton could be getting a look soon.

linky link

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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 6:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

94 MPH fastball, excellent curevball, poor control. Gavin Floyd anyone?

by Grinder in Training on Dec 2, 2008 6:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

he certainly sounds like a Sox trade target.

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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 6:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Pfeiffer, June 2008

The younger Morton entered his age-24 season this year as a veteran of six minor league campaigns since being chosen out of a Connecticut high school in the third round of the 2002 draft, and the owner of a career 5.89 RA and 1.62 WHIP in 515 1/3 innings spread from rookie ball to Double-A, with 408 K/275 BB. The Braves decided to bump Morton up to Triple-A following his mediocre Double-A debut last year, and he responded with a surprisingly strong showing. Morton’s chief ability appears to be keeping the ball in play; he has not yet allowed a home run this season, and since the start of last year’s campaign at Mississippi has given up just three in 158 2/3 innings. If he manages to maintain that ability in the show, he could experience some success while pitching in front of a team that ranks second in the National League in defensive efficiency.

here

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by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 6:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

introducing your new Chicago White Sox

It's all in the game

by U-God on Dec 2, 2008 6:20 PM CST reply actions 1 recs

VG.

I don't need to look at fancy stats

to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST

by omnipotent grab on Dec 2, 2008 6:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Is the 2nd one

A picture painted by someone named Morton?

by JoeCoolMan24 on Dec 2, 2008 6:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

morton salt

It's all in the game

by U-God on Dec 2, 2008 6:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Whoosh.

I don't need to look at fancy stats

to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST

by omnipotent grab on Dec 2, 2008 6:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

did I use that right?

I wasnt around when that joke was established.

I don't need to look at fancy stats

to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST

by omnipotent grab on Dec 2, 2008 6:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

yes you did

It's all in the game

by U-God on Dec 2, 2008 6:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

yay me!

I don't need to look at fancy stats

to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST

by omnipotent grab on Dec 2, 2008 6:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't need stats

to see that a guy like Vazquez can’t get it done.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 6:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

?

not getting why you put that here WTGTD

It's all in the game

by U-God on Dec 2, 2008 6:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

REPLYING TO SIGS

OOPS CAPS LOX.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 6:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

first time seeing it in 3 days?

I don't need to look at fancy stats

to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST

by omnipotent grab on Dec 2, 2008 6:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

HMM...

do the math :)

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 6:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You could have seen it sunday, monday, or today.

it was in all the threads you shat on.

I don't need to look at fancy stats

to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST

by omnipotent grab on Dec 2, 2008 6:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't shit on threads

I make this place cool. This would be a board of Mimes like it was when I lurked. Someone had to bring “Chicago Toughness” and optimism to these threads.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 6:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

oh

by JoeCoolMan24 on Dec 2, 2008 6:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

reply button to U-God

by JoeCoolMan24 on Dec 2, 2008 6:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

what's the possibility of signing randy johnson

its been discussed before i think?

by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 2, 2008 6:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

yeah

larry says he’s sticking on the west coast. i’ve advocated for the signing already.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 6:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

he's sticking on the west coast then its a moot point

but man, mb, danks, the unit, gavin, and richard/poreda/marquez

that’s wishful fucking thinking

by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 2, 2008 6:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

plus it would be tight to have him for his 300th

It's all in the game

by U-God on Dec 2, 2008 6:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

sentiment is for pussies yo

by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 2, 2008 6:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

and marketing

It's all in the game

by U-God on Dec 2, 2008 6:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

brooks boyer's done more with much less

its possible the unit could have more draw than jr

by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 2, 2008 6:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

yeah i know

that kind of rotation would be pimpin’ fo sho

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 6:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

His arm would fall off by May playing in The Windy City.

No thanks… Kenny all I want for Christmas now is C.C.! Please make it happen! Dream big SOX! Even if he is C.omplete C.hoke and was abused by his managers 2 years in a row. CC also = Cooked Cheeseburger

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 6:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

* packs victory hitter

no matter who we get in return. Addition by subtraction! NOW PUT THAT IN YOUR PIPE AND SMOKE IT PHIL ROGERS!

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

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by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 6:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Yes, plus

we traded 2 guys and got 3 back . . . that is a +1!!!

by jc2313 on Dec 2, 2008 6:56 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

WRECKED!!!!!!!

for being the only one who knows what I am referring to…

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 7:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

well, "addition by subtraction" i would think implies the whole is made better by simply jettisoning the problem part

not flipping it for other parts, however many that may be

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Dec 2, 2008 7:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Request for Cheat....

Home button on the recent user comments page… + Self rec button.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 6:30 PM CST reply actions 1 recs

you need another method for patting yourself on the back?

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Dec 2, 2008 6:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

No one else is going to do it.

Well maybe KenWo. They both seem to have come from the same bizarro world where Jerry Owens is the greatest baseball player in history.

I don't need to look at fancy stats

to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST

by omnipotent grab on Dec 2, 2008 6:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

now you are just lying.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 6:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I think you do enough real life masturbation

no need to add a virtual option to your already busy lifestyle

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Dec 2, 2008 6:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Nah I prefer saving my loads.

For a shooting effect.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

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by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 7:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

KG on Flowers, May 2008

Flowers had a career game on Friday night for the Pelicans, going 3-for-4 with four runs scored, a double, a pair of home runs, and seven RBI in a 22-3 thrashing of Lynchburg. One of the more interesting prospects in the system, Flowers is an absolutely massive presence at the plate and behind it, standing at 6’4" and tipping the scales at somewhere around 250 pounds. His .259/.407/.427 line shows how great his strike zone control is, as he’s walked 58 times in 239 at-bats, and playing in one of the worst hitters parks around belies his power, for on the road he has seven home runs in 126 at-bats. The key to his future is his defense, and right now the chances of him staying behind the plate are right around 50/50.

link

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 6:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

imagine trying to railroad him

It's all in the game

by U-God on Dec 2, 2008 6:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

he sounds like he's got a monster.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 6:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

he whips it out?

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Dec 2, 2008 6:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

It's all in the game

by U-God on Dec 2, 2008 6:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

room needs more smoke

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Dec 2, 2008 6:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

NL Great Leaps Forward, per KG, Sept 2008:

Atlanta Braves

A second-round pick last June, first baseman Freddie Freeman showed plus raw power and outstanding hitting ability in his full-season debut, compiling a .316/.378/.521 at Low-A Rome. A tighter approach and more translation of his raw power to in-game performance could move him to the elite level.

Runner-up: Gigantic catcher Tyler Flowers showed outstanding secondary offensive skills by producing 32 doubles, 17 home runs, and 98 walks in a .288/.427/.494 season at High-A Myrtle Beach. He’s good enough to stay behind the plate despite being below average defensively, but the bat should more than make up for it.

link

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 6:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

instead of freed up cash, what if stays freed up, and kdub uses the acquired draft picks to get a bigger fish??

by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 2, 2008 6:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

per the THT annual

it sounds like it doesn’t actually make a whole lot of sense to go way over slot for a top 10 type pitcher if you’ve got a number of top 50 picks.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 6:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

sorry, my bad

i meant acquired minor league players from this deal and the swish deal, not draft picks from orlando.

so would kdub be warming up these players that were just acquired for another trade??

by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 2, 2008 6:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

it's possible

from the looks of it, though, these guys all have the markings of “Kenny’s guys”. Morton’s got good stuff without the results and Flowers rocked the AFL.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 6:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

oh yeah

Lillibridge sounds like a grinder.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 6:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

a-rod?

manny? I could live with losing Dye and adding Manny.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 6:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

can a-rod play 2nd though?

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Dec 2, 2008 6:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I thought center field

and lead off?

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

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by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 2, 2008 6:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Flowers and Viciedo sound like similar sorts of prospects

w/ Flowers being the more advanced in all regards

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 2, 2008 6:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Viciedo is a lot younger though

and Cuban

Thank you,
these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.

by Jbasic89 on Dec 2, 2008 6:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Gotta give him an extra point for the pride.

I don't need to look at fancy stats

to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST

by omnipotent grab on Dec 2, 2008 6:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

So if it is, in fact, Flowers + Morton + Lillibridge...

that’s gotta be pretty close to an “F’n A!” trade, although not all the way there. I’d give it a grade of “Party on, Wayne!”, though.

Seriously though, perusing that list, Flowers looks like as good a prospect as the Sox could have hoped for (besides Heyward). Not that I would mind getting Freeman or Hanson or Schafer, but grabbing a good catching prospect for the system is straight pimpin’.

by CWSKeith on Dec 2, 2008 6:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs