With Very Important Eyes watching, Sox start youth movement
CBS's Scott Miller pens an article on the White Sox Youth Movement™, and peppers in some quotes from Ken Williams. Normally, I'd just pull the most interesting Williams' quote, but I can't tell which quotes are fresh and which are stale and used to frame the story Miller is trying to tell. Read, and decide for yourself.
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i'm most interested in the idea that...
lillibridge is a “kenny guy” in that he’s been chased for over three seasons at this point.
speed and no obp
typical kenny guy
Thank you,
these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.
He had an OBP over .400
….
…
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in ’06
…
in A-ball
AIM: SouthSideCheat
by The Cheat on Dec 3, 2008 8:54 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
i stand corrected.....
Thank you,
these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.
I remember a quote from Kenny yesterday
“I was not looking for a player like Brent Lillibridge, I was looking for THE Brent….ah who am I kidding.”
Steve Stone's take on the Javy Trade
http://www.stevestone.com/stevesPitch.html
I am going to ask you one time, and i'm gonna ask you nice. Where the fuck is Ringo bitch.
Wow and we thought we had spelling issues.
I don't need to look at fancy stats
to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST
by omnipotent grab on Dec 3, 2008 10:50 PM CST up reply actions
"I believe that Jake Peavey will not wind up in a Chub uniform"
can’t fault that one
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Dec 4, 2008 12:58 AM CST up reply actions
i can't help but hear his voice
as i read that.
"KenWO
no point in arguing with people who are blinded from reality..."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 29, 2008 6:49 PM
Speaking of speed...
who is the guy that you race in the fundamentals deck now that Pods is gone… i never got a chance to get over there and check that out…
Thank you,
these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.
you can't be serious....
Thank you,
these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.
Actually - it was still Pods
Don't look back because we are going forward!
so it doesn't get buried in the previous mega-thread
MLB.com’s Top 50 prospects
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/minorleagues/prospects/y2009/
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
Beckham could definitely be in the top 20.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
Ahead of Other Beckham and Triunfel? That seems wacked
by hitlesswonder on Dec 3, 2008 9:13 PM CST up reply actions
that truinfel feller is awfully big for a shortstop
Thank you,
these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.
I've thought of over 20 who couldn't be ranked lower than #50
Gordon misses the cut
by 3E8 on Dec 3, 2008 9:20 PM CST up reply actions
thought that also
the way everyone drools over triunfel and escobar, i didnt think there could be any way that gordon was on there…. doesnt matter though, our top 4 looks a HELL of a lot better than it did last year.
12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez
Yeah
If he is not 30-50, I assume he would be top 20. If not, then they need to check themselves.
What, you don't think Gordon is top10?
Get your head our of Ur-Ass
by JoeCoolMan24 on Dec 4, 2008 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
Per KG:
Year in Review: Samardzija is a high-profile pick who suddenly clicked in a bullpen role and pitched some important innings in the big leagues down the stretch.
The Good: When he’s on, he can dominate on his fastball alone; he can get it into the upper 90s, and it features explosive late life. His slider gives him a second plus pitch that can generate swings and misses. He’s a big, strong athlete who shows a lot of confidence and aggressiveness on the mound.
The Bad: Samardzija’s performances are wildly erratic from day to day, as his mechanics can become inconsistent, leading to drops in velocity, a flattening of his breaking balls, and serious command issues. He struggled for nearly two years before finally finding success, leaving many to wonder if he’s a bit of a fluke.
Fun Fact: While at Valparaiso High School in Indiana, Samardzija was the second-place finisher in Mr. Football as a senior, was named to the all-state baseball team as a center fielder, and also lettered in basketball while remarkably not missing a single game in any of the three sports over a three-year period.
Perfect World Projection: Samardzija flashes the stuff to become either a closer or a solid front-line starter, but not consistently enough.
Glass Half Empty: His track record is in large part awful, and in his last 10 regular-season games he allowed 10 runs and 20 baserunners in 8 1/3 innings. What you saw in August was a fluke.
Path To The Big Leagues: Barring some kind of disaster, Samardzija will open the year in the majors.
Timetable: He wants to start again, but the moves the Cubs make during the offseason will define his 2009 role.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
The Cubs let Kerry Wood go and are currently closer-less...
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
Well, they do have Marmol.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
my friend whos a cubs fan
tells me Samardzija has nothing but a fastball at this point
Thank you,
these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.
Yeah, well my friend who is Samardzija's cousin
actually hates him. :-/
yea he probably sucks
ND is the all time gayest school
Thank you,
these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.
If I see you in real life
I’ll cut you. How dare you talk about my beloved Notre Dame…
I'm a former ND fan
Currently in recovery… I was raised on that school (it must be an Chicago Irish thing) but I just cannot deal with them anymore.
I still dabble in ND Hockey and Basketball from time to time but that is it
You can't just take 1 sport and not the other
I love their Football, Hockey, and Basketball teams. I root for the others, but I don’t follow the other sports, not even baseball.
like I said I dabble
I will watch them from time to time.. but currently the football team is an average to below average team with a big tv deal
the FSU v ND game when they were ranked 1 and 2 (which ND won) back in the early 90s still remains one of my favorite attended games ever… that place was electric. I also went to Holy Cross (of Rudy fame) during Ty’s first year… some great games that year
You never transfered to ND?
I heard it is actually pretty easy to transfer from Holy Cross to ND.
by JoeCoolMan24 on Dec 3, 2008 10:01 PM CST up reply actions
nope
It can be easy to xfer though.. HC overplays that to bring in people though. I didn’t really like HC or South Bend all that much though
def my most hated school
Thank you,
these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.
Firesales are always fun
Thank you,
these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.
I'm not sure what to make of that article
The Kenny quotes all seem to be fairly guarded and non-specific. Before ‘07, we were bombarded with the grinder/leadoff nonsense. No specific narrative means he’s not especially sure what his team is going to look like as of the date of those quotes.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
What are the chances Kenny makes this Dye-Jenks trade
And then uses that money to sign K-Rod? I just don’t see Kenny being fine with “plug in” closers.
Gott in Himmel!
nein!
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
jenks, hermanson, shingo..
i’m thinking KW learned his lesson from teacher koch.
this post is subject to revision based upon whatever colin says the HBT annual has to say on the topic discussed.
Things that are irksome: Acting like a team's top ten prospect list is filled with future MLB players
In Alexei Ramirez (who will move from second base to shortstop in ’09), slugger Carlos Quentin, a healthy Josh Fields at third, Flowers, second baseman Chris Getz, 19-year-old Cuban Dayan Viciedo, Lillibridge, Gilmore and Jerry Owens, who currently projects as the leadoff hitter unless (or until) Williams makes his next move, the White Sox collection of young position players with potential — both near and far — is growing.
Out of those listed Quentin is an impact player. Ramirez might be above average, but his D and OBP are big questions still. The rest are a bunch of question marks at best (Viciedo, Fields) and guys that are virtually locks to not be even average in the MLB. Is Viciedo any better a prospect than Kendry Morales was?
One of these things is not like the others
One of these things just doesn’t belong
Can you tell which thing is not like the others
By the time I finish my song?
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
ramirez obp isnt that important is he continues to hit .400 with risp in the 6 or 7 hole
Thank you,
these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.
I pretty much agree with you.
But Beckham, and to a lesser extent BA, Allen, Shelby and Danks, all add to that foundation. Betemit is a piece that matters also. And Dye and Bobby are apparently on the block.
Alexei is going to be a serviceable SS at least (say 1.75 WAR) as will Getz, Quentin above average at a corner. Between Betemit and Fields, we’ve got the same at third. BA gives us serviceable CF. So we need a C, 1B and DH by 2010 and the other corner OF by 2009. Flowers is a C/1B type, Viciedo is a 4C type, Beckham’s bat and D will make him potentially viable anywhere on the infield. So there’s a serviceable 2009 and 2010, plus Danks, Allen, Shelby and the Dye/Bobby yield. If Kenny intends to be in contention he’s going to have to spend beyond that, but he’s put himself in position to do so with Thome, Dye, Vazquez, Swish and Bobby’s arb all coming off the books shortly as a result of trade or terms of contract.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
the same at third = serviceable.
fucked up the order there.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
I'm actually not that pessimistic about the Sox future
I just object to glorifying/exaggerating a “youth movement” by implying that players like Lillibridge, Owens, Gilmore, and Getz are the foundation of a young contending team. None of those guys is close to being a top 50 prospect in baseball and most top 50 prospects in baseball never become very good.
I know KW has gone +3 on the Rogers scale with the two trades, but Flowers is the only really intriguing player he got and there’s a real good chance he pulls a Daric Barton. I’m not sure if Williams is punting on 2009 or not. Right now I think he’s just slashing payroll without the intention using the “saved” money — and I’m not objecting to that. If the finances of the team dictate moving players in bad market, that’s the way it goes. I don’t think he’s building a team like TB or AZ just stocked with A prospects with these trades.
KW has always tried to contend, so I’ll be interested in seeing if that’s true for 2009 or not….
by hitlesswonder on Dec 3, 2008 11:12 PM CST up reply actions
actually he's -2 on the Rogers scale
maybe -2.5
The Sox have traded 3 major leaguers and gotten a major league utility player in return, that’s it.
AIM: SouthSideCheat
Right...I forgot they had to be major leaguers
-2 is a big hole to climb out of. Konerko for FIggins, Weaver and Shields?
by hitlesswonder on Dec 3, 2008 11:26 PM CST up reply actions
i like
talking about owens “projecting” as anything. he’ll be 28 on opening day. unless he projects to get younger with a magical amulet, it’s time to accept him as what he is.
he’s…um… a guy who OPSed well under .700 last year. rad!
i should add
that those numbers were in charlotte, too.
And he can play leadoff
Don't look back because we are going forward!
Joe Beimel
What about this guy?
Had a 2.02 ERA last year. Gives up a lot of hits, but really knows how to keep the hitters in the yard. He has allowed 1 HR in the past 120+ innings. I think he could be a solid piece in our bullpen. Doesn’t have great peripherals, but he seems to be good at not letting them score, and obviously not letting the ball leave the yard.
not letting the ball leave the yard.....
is a lot harder to do at the cell come july…
I am going to ask you one time, and i'm gonna ask you nice. Where the fuck is Ringo bitch.
Obviously
But I find it hard to get a guy who is better are keeping the ball in the park than Beimel.
by JoeCoolMan24 on Dec 3, 2008 11:28 PM CST up reply actions
Gargh... We had to put up with Joe the Plumber...
…Now we have to put up with Joe the White Sox Fan?
by South Side Expat on Dec 3, 2008 10:53 PM CST reply actions
I know youre still new here but its "blargh" not "gargh".
I don't need to look at fancy stats
to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST
by omnipotent grab on Dec 3, 2008 10:56 PM CST up reply actions
blargh it is!
Is “gargh” the sound KenWo makes while choking on a phallus? (I’m still new to posting, but I’ve lurked for awhile)
by South Side Expat on Dec 3, 2008 11:01 PM CST up reply actions
A few paragraphs into the posted article...
“I don’t think much about him when we’re trying to do things,” Williams said Wednesday afternoon, chuckling. "From what I’ve seen with him, he’s with us through good and bad.
“It’s Joe in Section 105, Seat 38 who’s more likely to write a letter or send me a bad voice mail.”
by South Side Expat on Dec 4, 2008 12:45 AM CST up reply actions
Robothal: Risky business for White Sox
Free-agent shortstop Orlando Cabrera had a tumultuous season with the White Sox, sparring with manager Ozzie Guillen and right fielder Jermaine Dye.
Why, then, would he want to return?
Money.
The White Sox offered Cabrera arbitration to ensure that they would receive two high draft picks as compensation if he signed with another club.
Cabrera, though, could choose to accept the White Sox’s offer, knowing he likely would receive a raise from his $9 million salary last season.
He then could go back into the free-agent market next winter, when the economy might be stronger — and the free-agent class at shortstop will be thinner.
The flaw in that scenario is that Cabrera would not start for the White Sox next season.
The White Sox already have decided to move Alexei Ramirez from second base to short. Cabrera might prefer to leave a team that doesn’t want him.
Then again, he also could return and request a trade. By offering arbitration, the White Sox diminished Cabrera’s value in the free-agent market, forcing any team that signs him to lose a high pick.
http://foxsports.com/mlb/story/8885188/
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
That's a good point
About Cabrera signing and then requesting a trade. Never thought of that. This scares me now….
by JoeCoolMan24 on Dec 3, 2008 11:30 PM CST up reply actions
Wouldn't be the worst thing.
Move Alexei to CF or maybe even 3B. Trade him if the team tanks, or ride him all the way to the playoffs. The Sox will be a better team in 09 with him.
www.stallingtheman.blogspot.com
yeah and hopefully there would be someone else to leadoff
so cabrera could hit 2nd where he is probably better suited
Thank you,
these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.
I could see a KW temper tantrum
in the very near future if this all were to happen.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 4, 2008 10:09 AM CST up reply actions
Nope.
He’s examined it from all angles and is prepared. You think he just fell of the turnip truck, or is a SSS poster?
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
the turnip truck?
is that from the 1930’s, WU?!
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 4, 2008 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
Well, if you look at the stock markets,
we’re back in the ’30’s. And it would’ve been politically incorrect to say he fell off a watermelon truck. I’ve been sensitized through my work here.
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
yeah, a turnip truck!
what, you think they grow in the ground or something?
kids.
"God created [Republicans] because He was disappointed in the monkey." -- Mark Twain.
One way to get rid of them is to tell 'em stories that dont go anywhere.
Like the time we went over to shelbyville during the war, I wore an onion on my belt….which was the style at the time…you couldnt get those white ones, you could only get those big yellow ones……………..now where was I……..oh yeah, the important thing was I was wearing an onion on my nelt, which was the style at the time, you couldnt get those…
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ………………….
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Dec 4, 2008 12:00 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Is this colin, our fucking colin?
retrospreadsheets get the spread in today’s THT
by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 4, 2008 8:09 AM CST reply actions
From larry's sig to THT's publisher...
I guess they finally got their happy ending from colin’s incessant flogging of THT’s dolphin.
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
nope.
wyers is the guy from stat speak. it weirds me out that there’s another colin. we’re so rare that running into one is always bizarre.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
that guy is a douche
"KenWO
no point in arguing with people who are blinded from reality..."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 29, 2008 6:49 PM
two thumbs up, way up, from me.
http://soxmachine.com/blogs/soxmachine/archive/2008/12/04/14584.aspx
this post is subject to revision based upon whatever colin says the HBT annual has to say on the topic discussed.
and because larry likes it
he hits the nail on the head with this:
Therein lies Vazquez’s true value: He pitched well enough over the course of a season to allow the Sox to have big games. It doesn’t matter if he couldn’t handle the heat – and evidence supporting that theory is merely anecdotal. Without Vazquez, the Sox don’t even stand in the kitchen to begin with.
i think it’s likely that one of kdub’s remaining moves will be to sign an innings eater type, because we can’t get by with only buerhle, danks, and floyd.
by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 4, 2008 9:40 AM CST up reply actions
D Lowe would fit the bill (chuckles).
So would CC (chuckles more).
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
PS DEFEND! CLOSE!!!!! End of the year is near.
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
acquisition of a pitcher is going to be quite necessary.
i’m all for going with the kids. witness my stance last offseason that the pitching was fine and that signing colon or whoever the fuck was entirely unnecessary. i can buy richard. i can’t buy anything after that.
this post is subject to revision based upon whatever colin says the HBT annual has to say on the topic discussed.
Marquez
Scout the player, not the numbers…
by hitlesswonder on Dec 4, 2008 10:16 AM CST up reply actions
on the score this morning
coop said richard is #4 right now and marquez is #5 with lance broadway and another cast of characters competing. he did mention poreda briefly, but said hes been coming along nicely, nothing about competnig for a spot.
12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez
as usual, stunning insight from coop.
this post is subject to revision based upon whatever colin says the HBT annual has to say on the topic discussed.
dry cement is hard
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
What do you see others don't?
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
Actually, I was being facetious
I don’t think he’ll actually be good. In fact, I’m stunned that a guy with his track record has been handed the #5 starter slot on a major league team. Injury issues and all, I think Egbert is probably a better prospect still (or at least no worse).
Granted, I was wrong about Floyd and he’s another AFL scouting pickup. But my personal opinion is that no team that thinks it will contend should seriously consider relying on Marquez for 1/5 of its starting pitching. So, I’m assuming that the Sox will pursue another cheap, young starter using Dye and/or Jenks as trade bait.
But I’m also assuming that if no deal happens, Marquez starts the year in the rotation as the Sox seem to really like him.
by hitlesswonder on Dec 4, 2008 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
Hurray! I'm not totally sure about Richard, either.
WE NEED a good starting pitcher.
+1
The team has to acquire another pitcher.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
And baby makes 3.
No #5 on the immediate horizon. Poreda probably needs more time, the “Z” boys (Marquez, Jimenez) not ready/able. Fortunately, as we ananlyzed/discussed to death last year, the average ERA of the #5 starter is 5.6 or something ridiculously high. Thus, just a serviceable guy works just fine until/if Count returns.
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
I’m not too concerned, plenty of options for the Sox at this point. It’s not like we don’t have salary space. I’d be stunned if we start the season with Marquez in the rotation.
by Grinder in Training on Dec 4, 2008 10:41 AM CST up reply actions
A new word! Call Webster's.
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
Official
No Morton or Reyes.
SOX FINALIZE SIX-PLAYER DEAL WITH THE BRAVES
The White Sox completed a six-player trade with the Braves today, sending pitchers Javier Vazquez and Boone Logan to Atlanta for catcher Tyler Flowers, infielders Jonathan Gilmore and Brent Lillibridge, and left-handed pitcher Santos Rodriguez.
Flowers, 22, was named to the Class A Carolina League All-Star Team in 2008 after hitting .288 with 17 home runs and 88 RBI. More recently, he batted .387 with 12 home runs and 23 RBI in just 20 games in the Arizona Fall League.
Gilmore, a 20-year-old third baseman, combined to hit .294 with four home runs and 35 RBI in 94 games with Advanced Rookie Danville and Class A Rome in 2008. He originally was selected as a sandwich pick (33rd overall) in the June 2007 First-Year Player Draft.
Lillibridge, a 25-year-old shortstop, spent most of the 2008 season with Class AAA Richmond, hitting .220 with seven triples, four home runs, 39 RBI and 23 stolen bases in 90 games. He also appeared in 29 games with Atlanta, batting .200 in 80 at-bats. Lillibridge was ranked by Baseball America as the No. 6 Prospect in the Braves organization following the 2007 season.
Rodriguez, 20, went 1-2 with a 2.79 ERA, five saves and 45 strikeouts in 29 innings with the Gulf Coast League Braves in 2008. He was named to Baseball America’s Rookie League All-Star Team and led the GCL with 13.9 strikeouts per 9.0 IP.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
tigers acquire jack wilson
http://www.nj.com/yankees/index.ssf/2008/12/detroit_tigers_acquire_ss_jack.html
this post is subject to revision based upon whatever colin says the HBT annual has to say on the topic discussed.
i'm not sure that's much of a concern on the tigers.
defense far more important for that pitching staff. not like the tigers had trouble scoring runs last year with edgar the black hole renteria hitting for them.
this post is subject to revision based upon whatever colin says the HBT annual has to say on the topic discussed.
Is that the lead singer for The White Stripes?
Oh, WILSON. Sorry.
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
renteria deal apparently almost official
if anyone is actually seriously worried about cabrera accepting arbitration, this should disabuse that notion.
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8888962/Sources:-Giants-sign-Renteria-to-two-year-deal
this post is subject to revision based upon whatever colin says the HBT annual has to say on the topic discussed.
Actually, it does the opposite for me.
Giants signed Renteria, Jack Wilson to Detroit, Khalil Greene to the Cardinals…Furcal to A’s, maybe. Not really sure where the chair for OC is going to be when the music stops.
Baltimore?
2-year deal.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 4, 2008 11:45 AM CST up reply actions
seems like there are quite a few chairs left.
and, under your scenario, cabrera is the only one left to fill them.
this post is subject to revision based upon whatever colin says the HBT annual has to say on the topic discussed.
If I were Cabrera I'm not sure the sad-sack Giants
or Depression-area Detroit would be where I’d sign on, anyway. And St. Louis ain’t spending his price tag. He’s doing fine sitting for awhile.
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
dodgers
they wont have furcal… and Hu isnt very good, so id say he still fits in there.
12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez
Dodgers is a good one
but I am not sure what the “quite a few” other will be. I don’t see Baltimore spending on a 33-year old SS just to come in 4th.
lets see
braves if peavy trade is completed, reds because dusty loves vets, twins if the price is right, blue jays are never afraid to spend money
12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez
hell
even the cubs, they dont seem to like theriot too much at that spot.
12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez
and they shouldn't...
he’s got a short ass shelf life.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
i just had a headrush of nefarious things you possibly intend to perform on
poor mr. theriot
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
I thought I saw that with the death of the Blue Jays' owner
their free-agent strategy was on hold. Sounded like financial issues (perhaps estate taxes).
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
death as cover now.
their gm was saying long prior to this that the economy was the issue for them.
this post is subject to revision based upon whatever colin says the HBT annual has to say on the topic discussed.
Maybe he's just unhappily married. As Denis Leary said in "The Ref"
“Your husband ain’t dead, lady. He’s hiding.”
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
you mean peavey?
"KenWO
no point in arguing with people who are blinded from reality..."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 29, 2008 6:49 PM
The would if they sign Tex (hometown)
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 4, 2008 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
the dodgers would be ideal
they have the #17 draft pick
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
jest you forget about
one large Uribe?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 4, 2008 11:52 AM CST up reply actions
You are pulling my leg from my pelvis with that.
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
LAD?
"KenWO
no point in arguing with people who are blinded from reality..."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 29, 2008 6:49 PM
So, I've been thinking about this...
Does anyone else think that KW is rebuilding this year because he thinks that the division will be terrible again, and any team he throws out there will “compete”.
Also, will the influx of young talent lead KW to acquire some older short-term players like Mike Cameron or Bobby Abreu?
www.stallingtheman.blogspot.com
I still go with JR is doing cost management
Did anyone else hear Stone talk ablut a lunch conversation with Selig and JR and their concerns about player cost in this economy
Don't look back because we are going forward!
I am sure this talk has been going
on for the past 20-years, between them.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 4, 2008 12:07 PM CST up reply actions
Perhaps - but its never been so out front as this year
Selig cautions the owners earlier, now him and JR mention it at a lunch Stone’s at. They must be concerned to risk the union saying they are trying to force compensation down. They paid an aweful lot the last time the union went after them.
Don't look back because we are going forward!
JR's best line ever.
“People expect me to pay my players the same as the dumbest owner in baseball.”
"I am not going out like SSH. "
by WTGTD, 12/3/08
Seriously..
It’s Bud Selig and Jerry Reinsdorf, what do you expect them to say?
We had a top 5 payroll last year, we’ve made what seems to be an effort to compete every year, I don’t know why we should expect Kenny to just leave a bunch of holes all over the field.
Looks to me like Kenny is setting himself up very nicely for this down market to pick up a few short term veterans while also stocking up his system for the long term. Let’s wait until spring trianing before we assume Jeff Marquez and Jerry Owens are the cornerstones of the 2009 season.
by Grinder in Training on Dec 4, 2008 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
three jews talking about the high cost of something at lunch.
must be unprecedented in the stereotypical history of the world.
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by larry on Dec 4, 2008 12:19 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Talking about it at lunch yes - talking about it to the press and on the radio no
Don't look back because we are going forward!
That’s Steve Stone’s job. I’m sure JR doesn’t mind people thinking there is a good reason to lower payroll some, but that doesn’t mean we’re starting the season at 60 million either.
Anyone know if JR is still active in his other businesses or has he retired for the most part?
by Grinder in Training on Dec 4, 2008 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
he hasn't been active in other (i.e., non-sox or bulls) businesses for a couple decades now.
he’s still a partner in some real estate investment firm, along with some of the other boys on the white sox board, but i wouldn’t call it a particularly active role.
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With a megaphone?
…and lunch at Rubin’s Sandwich Shop?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 4, 2008 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
Big LOL (sorry, Jim). Rec'd for truth.
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
No Jack Wilson Deal
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/
"I am not going out like SSH. "
by WTGTD, 12/3/08
Sorry if this was posted elsewhere . . .
Keith Law perspective on the deal . . . and called Flowers the best prospect in the system now.
does that mean he doesn't like beckham or really likes flowers?
i never know what to do with Law’s opinions.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
thats because he's a pompous ass
most of the time.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
you are correct sir.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
or that they both kind of should be ranked about the same?
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that's almost encouraging!
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
Well, he liked Beckham pre-draft
and rated him as 8th best going into the draft. I don’t think anything’s changed that opinion. Seems really high on Flowers based on huge bat and he seems to think that while he will be defensively challenged at C, he will remain there.
Everyone likes flowers.
(This is going to be “fish in a barrell” stuff.)
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
it's t-flo
get with the program!
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
re: "Big Game Javy"
did freddy pass on the baton to javy?
:p
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
Out of curiosity
how much do you think Ozzie saying Javy can’t pitch in big games hurt his trade value, true or otherwise?
Not much - Javy's career results hurt his trade value
Don't look back because we are going forward!
I realize that,
but I’d venture to say that it might have had a minimal impact
Score reporting OC now considering coming back
Apparently he’s not well liked out there – per the story – would have never guessed that
Don't look back because we are going forward!
Well.. that’s a boon for the White Sox if it happens. Could just be forcing other teams hands to give him some kind of offer.
by Grinder in Training on Dec 4, 2008 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
"that’s a boon for the White Sox if it happens."
Please explain.
"I am not going out like SSH. "
by WTGTD, 12/3/08
having orlando cabrera on the team for a below market price would be awful. just awful.
his selfishness must have cost the sox, what, ten or twelve wins at least last year.
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"below market price"
Arb = BMP
"I am not going out like SSH. "
by WTGTD, 12/3/08
approx 1/10M would be below market for a player like cabrera
confirmed by what edgar renteria just got. jc bradbury says cabrera is worth $15.5M for 2009. that may be high but i doubt you’ll find anyone who’ll say he’s worth less than what he’d get in arbitration.
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Apparently KW commented that he'd be on the bench if he accepted arb
So if KW lived up to that – it would be bad for him as a FA next year
Don't look back because we are going forward!
i'd like to see that quote.
and, again, there ain’t nothing stopping the white sox from trading cabrera if he accepts. certainly not his likely contract.
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I don't recall a KW quote but maybe robothal knows something
when he writes
He then could go back into the free-agent market next winter, when the economy might be stronger — and the free-agent class at shortstop will be thinner. The flaw in that scenario is that Cabrera would not start for the White Sox next season.
btw, I don’t think orca will accept arb
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
i find the idea preposterous.
they’re going to stick cabrera on the bench while ramirez/lillibridge plays short, betemit/fields plays third, and getz/nix plays second. tell me another, ken.
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It was said on a conference call today - I didn't hear it score reporting it
Don't look back because we are going forward!
hmm. i thought the conference call with KW was later this afternoon.
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i heard a clip of a conference call with KW on the score about 45 minutes ago
he did say alexei is the shortstop and if ocab accepts arbitration he would be a “utility” man.
brian anderson would've caught that...
got it. thanks.
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the question is
is there any other reason for KW to say that other than to discourage him from accepting? i can’t think of one. also, does that need to be made public? i dunno.
brian anderson would've caught that...
seems like it's piss in the wind either way.
in response to that question is KW going to say “we’d love to have cabrera back. fuck the guys on our roster.”? everyone knew exactly what this relationship was going to be last year: mercenary. for KW to start pining for cabrera now or something would be ridiculous.
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Couldn't be posturing to get him to refuse arb, could it?
If OC accepts, I expect KW will not let an asset rot on the bench. He’ll trade him or play him.
by hitlesswonder on Dec 4, 2008 12:53 PM CST up reply actions
We shall see.
"I am not going out like SSH. "
by WTGTD, 12/3/08
I personally, hate the idea of an actual major league player being in the plans for 2009
I much prefer projecting Viciedo to hit 30 HRs at 3B and Getz/Nix/Lillibridge to be sure bets for for a > .700 OPS.
by hitlesswonder on Dec 4, 2008 12:51 PM CST up reply actions
it wouldn't be awful, but that costs the team the 2 compensation draft picks, right?
by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 4, 2008 2:18 PM CST up reply actions
right
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
which the sox can't get unless cabrera signs with someone else after rejecting arbitration.
you’re putting the cart in front of the horse.
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i don't know what i was thinking (freal)
what i think you’re saying, is that of course oc would want to sign somewhere else for more years, $, etc, but if he can’t get it, he can’t get it, and he’s got to take arb. i get it then. end of story.
i don’t mind oc for another year either. anyway, let’s say he takes the arb, we can go through the same cycle next year and offer him arb, if we hadn’t traded him by then, ASSUMING his playing abilities are still worth a 2 year contract. who knows, if he kicks as during the 1st half, he could increase his trade value during the season that may equate the 2 picks.
by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 4, 2008 2:35 PM CST up reply actions
that's part of it.
also, the value of cabrera at the deal he would get in arbitration would very likely be worth more to the white sox than the value of the draft picks (in addition to the possibility that the sox would get to try this whole thing all over again next year in such a scenario). unless you masturbate over prospects like wiz does in his mom’s basement. then i guess you’d want the draft picks to add some more variety to your fantasies. ;)
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I don't use prospects you perv
scarlett is damn fine
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
Because we are a better team with Orlando Cabrera.
Is that not enough?
by Grinder in Training on Dec 4, 2008 12:39 PM CST up reply actions
It wouldn't be a big deal if OC takes the offer
I don’t think Kenny would mind having Orlando back for another season especially after shaving some of the payroll. The only drawback would be having to waiting till 2010 to get the two picks.
That would be if he is still Type A?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 4, 2008 12:50 PM CST up reply actions
Cabreras rated ahead of Jeter in the ratings system that determines Type A and B free agents
Thank you,
these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.
Chicago Pete just ran his new Corvette off the road.
That alone is enough reason for OrCa to come back.
(Just kidding, Pete, you POS.)
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
is that what we are calling it now
“Doh, you pulled a Swisher 2008!”
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 4, 2008 1:01 PM CST up reply actions
Cowley won't allow it.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 4, 2008 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
I'd like to see it for that reason alone!
well, also to have a real SS playing SS.
"God created [Republicans] because He was disappointed in the monkey." -- Mark Twain.
I thought Ramirez was a real SS
He was out of position last year.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 4, 2008 1:00 PM CST up reply actions
Yep. just like Beckham will be.
"God created [Republicans] because He was disappointed in the monkey." -- Mark Twain.
i hear, however, that joe's wife is attempting to induce cabrera to stay...
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seduce?
is cabrera pregnant?
I could see Juan, but not Cabrera. (sorry I had too)
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 4, 2008 1:00 PM CST up reply actions
i believe she's already seduced him
judging by the goofy face little cowley has.
and if pregnancy is the first thing that enters your mind when you read ‘induce’, i think you should tone down that preggers fetish.
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lol
Cabrera does kind of look like an alien that is wincing in pain from a strong case hemroids.
My wife just gave birth 2 months ago and the baby was 2 weeks late….thus the induce/pregnancy connection!
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 4, 2008 1:06 PM CST up reply actions
congrats!!!!!
you are the father, right?
if not, disregard.
"God created [Republicans] because He was disappointed in the monkey." -- Mark Twain.
Yes
but the kid doesn’t look like my wife….how is that possible?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 4, 2008 1:11 PM CST up reply actions
babies generally pop out looking like the father
something about nature giving proof of babydaddy before DNA testing
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
easy, you look for the sweaty chick that resembles a deflated balloon
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
yeah, i don't get why chicks get all gross and fat when they're having a baby. it's totally not hot.
Cashing checks and having sex.
yes, i recall.
i see you miss her large belly. just let it, go, mate.
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mate?
Speak like a pirate day was in September!
So, tell me, why do they call ye, “Cap’n Feathersword?”
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 4, 2008 1:11 PM CST up reply actions
pirates are also not the first thing that comes to my mind when i read mate.
so a pregnant pirate fetish is it?
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You're getting warm larry
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 4, 2008 1:22 PM CST up reply actions
It's "matey", BBS, for pirate-speak.
Hoodie brings the actual “mate” proper usage to the table, and larry is filching it.
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
Yeah, and don't go
raining on my fetishes, WU!
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 4, 2008 1:26 PM CST up reply actions
wait wait, oc is fucking joe cowley's wife
now this thread is getting interesting, this is some good stuff
by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 4, 2008 2:19 PM CST up reply actions
Old news
that happened early last year…now they are getting ready to induce, per larry.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 4, 2008 2:22 PM CST up reply actions
early last year?
jesus. that woman has what should be a year old child still in her? i’m thinking inducing might be rough on her.
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February
Baby is only 3 weeks late – I think it is embarassed by its looks and thus wants to stay in. I have to say, I can’t blame him/her/it.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 4, 2008 2:39 PM CST up reply actions
last year reads a whole lot like 2007 to me. you know, considering it's currently 2008 (secretary just confirmed this for me - she's good with dates and shit).
but i see. you mean last season.
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Yeah, my brain isn't working too well today.
All that pirate talk got me spinning.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 4, 2008 3:32 PM CST up reply actions
Ill believe when I see it.
"It just occurred to me that the White Sox could win the division."
by SuddenSam on May 22, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
" That just makes me want to puke all over your head, sir."
youth movement, sure, but trimming money is always nice
I am sure Reinsdorf was really impressed with Q, Danks, and Gavin in terms of their salaries. “Kenny, why can’t we make the whole roster like that? I say go do it son”
three sox farmhands in BA's AFL top twenty
Arizona Fall League Top 20 Prospects
1. Matt Wieters, c (Orioles)
2. Tommy Hanson, rhp (Braves)
3. Brian Matusz, rhp (Orioles)
4. Logan Morrison, 1b (Marlins)
5. Carlos Triunfel, ss/2b (Mariners)
6. Bud Norris, rhp (Astros)
7. Gordon Beckham, ss (White Sox)
8. J.P. Arencibia, c (Blue Jays)
9. Justin Smoak, 1b (Rangers)
10. Brett Wallace, 3b (Cardinals)
11. Dan Cortes, rhp (Royals)
12. Sean West, lhp (Marlins)
13. Julio Borbon, of (Rangers)
14. Sean Doolittle, 1b/of (Athletics)
15. Tyler Flowers, c (BravesWhite Sox)
16. Aaron Poreda, lhp (White Sox)
17. Jason Donald, ss (Phillies)
18. Scott Cousins, of (Marlins)
19. Jeff Manship, rhp (Twins)
20. Eric Young Jr., of/if (Rockies)
http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/?p=1815
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So were not 27th any more?
At least 25th, I bet.
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
Wow
Flowers tore up the AFL, but was only ranked 15th?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Dec 4, 2008 1:23 PM CST up reply actions
could have been 4...
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
so if you start writing for this site, you're automatically obligated to constantly lament long ago traded minor leaguers, huh
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Is that a recent pitcure of Getz?
I bet it is.
i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.
doesn't poreda have more trade value now
before his lack of secondary pitches is exposed by better hitting?
or are the scouts well aware?
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
that was his knock coming into the draft
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
if you and i know about his lack of secondary pitches
i’m guessing everyone does.
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BA likes Bud Norris a lot more than Goldstein from the looks of it.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
considering it's a prospect list compiled from performances over a month and a half
i think it’s pretty hard to argue with norris’ results, no?
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he was a tick above average in K rate, and about two times worse than average in BB rate
the impressive thing was the 1 HR in 19 IP. sounds like the set up man/closer that KG’s (post AFL) prospect list describes.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
no, the impressive thing is his stuff.
which is why you watch baseball games and don’t care much about what happens in 19 innings in the fall.
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i didn't realize his stuff was in question.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
and it seems to me their opinion is basically the same
but he shined while pitching out of the bullpen in the Arizona Fall League.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=8331
people who shine in something tend to be highly ranked in something.
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there are a number of Top 50 guys on there.
and I don’t think KG will have Norris in that club.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
you seem to be having trouble grasping what the purpose of the list i cited is.
here’s a hint: it’s titled “the arizona fall league top 20 prospects”.
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"those players who played in the AFL in 2008 come under consideration as prospects"
is how i read that.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
"and i'm rating them on their performance in the AFL"
all reports said his stuff was electric. some said the best they saw outside of hanson. hence why he’s ranked there.
it would be a really fucking stupid list if it was the one you think it is. “here’s a top 100 list. cross out all the players who didn’t play in the AFL and post it on the blog.”
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i haven't read any scouting reports from the AFL.
i don’t have a subscription. all i have is what i can infer from a list that has literally zero additional context. if his stuff was even more impressive than previously considered, i would not know that.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
so you are commenting then because...?
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in order to get clarification and or speculation from those who
know more than me. dick.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
try reading the clarification then before continuing to comment.
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and, once again, i'll note that actually clicking the link can provide the "additional context"
which is not “literally zero.” there’s a chat, which had already begun and discussed norris, linked right there from the person who made the list. goddamn amazing this internet.
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i hope you can excuse me from assuming it was scrip only.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
no indication of that.
their little homeplate thing denotes that.
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