All-Time White Sox DH
by U-God on Dec 30, 2008 4:05 PM CST
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First off, thanks to everyone who voted yes. Feedback on what I could do to better these would be appreciated. This will be the first of my pieces for picking the best representative for the White Sox at each position, thus making an All-Time White Sox team. As it says in the headline, I'll be covering the DH first. I wanted to put up 5 players, but only found 4 even worth mentioning (even though I'm pretty sure we all know who will win). So without further ado, here are the four candidates (no, I will not give Jurassic Carl consideration).
Frank Thomas
We all know Frank Thomas. The man is the franchise leader in OBP, SLG, OPS (duh), Runs, TB, 2B, HRs, RBI, BB, K, OPS+, RC, XBH, and SF. Basically, if you could pick one player to represent the team he would probably be the choice for most of us. He played 959 games as our DH and recorded 957 hits (3 game-ending), 208 doubles, 196 homers, 643 RBI and slash-line of .278/.402/.511/.913. His numbers as a 1B are even more impressive.
Harold Baines
Eeyore before Paulie, Harold had his number retired by the Sox over a decade before he actually retired. We then signed him as a free agent and proceeded to trade him away again (pretty much ruining his chances at the HoF). He is our current first-base coach and moonlights as his own statue out on the concourse. Harold ranks third in franchise history in homers and RBI. A right fielder for the early part of his career, bad knees forced him to DH. Harold DH'd for the Sox in 602 games and here are the numbers he posted: 650 hits (30 game-ending), 134 doubles, 76 homers, 370 RBI, and a slash-line of .292/.369/.460/.828.
Greg Luzinski
After I stopped laughing at how goofy I thought this guy looked, I decided to look up some stuff on him because I've never heard of him. Apparently, Greg was born in Chicago but played the majority of his career in Philadelphia and even won a ring there in 1980. Too bad that doesn't count towards this poll. Greg DH'd for the Sox from 1981-1984. In those 512 games, he posted the following numbers: 491 hits (19 game-ending), 90 doubles, 83 homers, 311 RBI, and a slash-line of .264/.360/.450/.810.
Jim Thome
I love that picture. Anyways, The Gentleman Masher came over to the Sox around Thanksgiving of 2005 in a trade the sent the Legend and Gio Gonzalez (temporarily) to the Phillies who needed to clear room for Ryan Howard. So far he has DH'd in 398 games for us, with that number almost definitely increasing next season. He's given us the following: 372 hits (9 game-ending), 71 doubles, 108 homers, 286 RBI, and a slash-line of .266/.394/.549(!)/.943.
Now we vote, and please feel free to give feedback on what I could improve or what you would like to see in the next ones. Thanks.
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I voted for Thome
But only because I’d put the Big Hurt at 1B instead of DH.
by Tavarin on Dec 30, 2008 4:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
a solid reason
because if Frank wins this, he won’t be on the 1B ballot
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by U-God on Dec 30, 2008 5:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
shit. Had I known that, I would not have voted for him here.... :( I always fuck up my vote somehow.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Dec 30, 2008 8:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it's my bad
I should have said it at the top somewhere
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by U-God on Dec 30, 2008 8:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
3 game ending hits?
evidence? even if i believe that inflated number, i’d bet all three were either in 1994 or in games when the white sox were already eliminated from playoff contention.
by larry on Dec 30, 2008 5:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
solid job ugod.....i voted for the thomer
takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm
by furby2056 on Dec 30, 2008 5:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Funny story
My yougest sister used to be afraid of fireworks when she was little. Every time Frank’s name would be announced she would give us a look of fright and cover her ears while cowering. Pretty funny stuff and a story we love telling her friends and boyfriends
by 815Sox on Dec 30, 2008 6:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
This is really stupid
Obviously the guy posting is inept as Frank Thomas is clearly the best white sox first baseman. Thomas played more games at first base than he did at DH while in a White Sox uniform. Harold Baines is easily the best DH. The guy never heard of Greg Luzinski? Good lord….if someone is going to create a poll it should be someone who is over 13 years old. Christ sake.
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Dec 30, 2008 7:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I bet he didn't win back-to-back-to-back-to-back little league championships either...
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Dec 30, 2008 7:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm an old guy,
And I voted for Greg “The Bull”.I,ll never forget the mammoth “Roof Shots” at Old Comiskey.When the ball left his bat,it looked like it was going straight up like a pop up that never came down.Gotta go with Big Frank at 1B.
by oahu420 on Dec 30, 2008 7:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Luzinski really could pop em thats for sure.
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Dec 30, 2008 7:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
in my defense
1. I agree that Frank is the best 1B, but I’m not going to completely disregard what he did as a DH. By your logic I should not have included Baines in the DH list either as he played 995 games as a RF for us as opposed to 602 as a DH. Frank only played 10 more games at 1B than he did as a DH for us. So I guess that’s my reasoning.
2. Honestly, why would I have heard of Greg Luzinski? I’m 20 and he really didn’t seem to contribute that much to the team. I did my research on him and I posted his numbers. There are going to be a few players that I haven’t heard of. I’m gonna do my best to look them up before I post on them.
3. I appreciate the list a few comments down. I’m going to continue using the link that Wiz posted as that’s what I did for this, but the majority of those players will be appearing.
sit*
by U-God on Dec 30, 2008 8:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wouldn't it be better to have the 1B vote together with the DH vote?
btw, these may be useful
http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CHW/pos.shtml
http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CHW/staff.shtml
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Dec 30, 2008 7:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
i used those to determine the candidates
and in hindsight, yeah it probably would have been a good idea
sit*
by U-God on Dec 30, 2008 8:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I will provide the choices. he can do the write up.
DH- Harold Baines, Jim Thome,Greg Luzinski
1B- Paul Konerko, Frank Thomas, Greg Walker, Dick Allen, Zeke Bonura, Mike Squires.
2B- Ray Durham, Nellie Fox,Eddie Collins
SS- Luke Appling, Chico Carrasquel, Luis Aparicio, Ozzie Guillen, Jose Valentin, Juan Uribe
3B-Robin Ventura, Bill Melton, Pete Ward, Joe Crede
LF- Carlos Lee, Albert Belle, Tim Raines, Ron Kittle,Minnie Minoso, Joe Jackson
CF- Happy Felsch, Johnny Mostil, Jim Landis, Ken Berry, Chet Lemon, Lance Johnson, Aaron Rowand
RF- Jim Rivera, Floyd Robinson, Harold Baines, Ivan Calderon, Magglio Ordonez, Jermaine Dye
P- Ted Lyons, Red Faber, Doc White, Eddie Cicotti, Ed Walsh, Billy Pierce, Wilbur Wood, Tommy John, Joel Horlen, Mark Buehrle, Jon Garland, Gary Peters, Jack McDowell, Lamarr Hoyt, Alex Fernandez, Richard Dotson
RP- Hoyt Wilhelm, Bobby Thigpen, Roberto Hernandez, Keith Foulke, Bobby Jenks, Bob James, Ed Farmer, Goose Gossage, Terry Forster
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Dec 30, 2008 8:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Joe Kuhel
should be on the ballot at 1B.
by Hatchetm on Dec 30, 2008 8:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I looked into him and felt he didn't do enough on the Sox to get votes...
but if you want..go ahead add him.
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Dec 30, 2008 8:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
so we never had any catchers kenwo?
sit*
by U-God on Dec 30, 2008 8:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
there is only one worth mentioning. Kark. :)
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Dec 30, 2008 8:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
kidding! (before kenwo makes me a list :D).
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Dec 30, 2008 8:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was so sickened that you didn't know Greg Luzinski I forgot.
C- Ray Schalk, Sherman Lollar, Ed Hermann, Carlton Fisk, Ron Karkovice, AJ Pierzynski
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Dec 30, 2008 8:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it's cool
i figured you’d be all excited that your avatar got in the article
sit*
by U-God on Dec 30, 2008 8:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yah... but he should be winning dammit
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Dec 30, 2008 8:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and you actually nailed the six i plan on using
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by U-God on Dec 30, 2008 8:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hermann was shit. come on.
if you’re going deeper than five at a field position, it’s pretty silly. this ain’t the yankees. there’s some serious chaff on a list such as this. kittle? calderon? farmer?
by larry on Dec 30, 2008 8:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kittle and Calderon along with Baines and Thomas are my all time favorites.
So they made the cut :)
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Dec 30, 2008 8:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yes, they're favorites of mine, too.
seems like there are two lists one could create: best and favorite. and, for me at least, the overlap wouldn’t be all that much.
by larry on Dec 30, 2008 8:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Favorites
1b- Frank Thomas
2b- Tadahito Iguchi
SS- Jose Valentin
3B- I suppose Robin Ventura but I really haven’t liked any sox 3rd baseman all that much in my lifetime.
C- Ron Karkovice
LF- Ron Kittle
CF- Lance Johnson
RF- Ivan Calderon
DH- Harold Baines
RHP- Lamarr Hoyt
LHP- Mark Buehrle
RHRP- Bobby Thigpen
LHRP- Juan Agosto (don’t ask why he was terrible. I think its because they played Axel F when he came out of the pen)
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Dec 30, 2008 8:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So.. is this favorites or best? I thought we were picking the best team.
by Grinder in Training on Dec 31, 2008 1:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hmm
Seems I should have read larry’s post first instead of kenwo’s.
by Grinder in Training on Dec 31, 2008 1:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Personally
I would have left Rowand off but I would have been castrated by the SSS nation.
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Dec 30, 2008 8:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
at least you know.
others weren’t so lucky.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Dec 30, 2008 9:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i'm kind of surprised by your dislike of herrmann though
he had a higher career OBP than Kark and was only .001 lower in OPS
sit*
by U-God on Dec 30, 2008 8:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
karkovice, however, was one of the best defensive catchers of all-time.
hermann was merely average.
by larry on Dec 30, 2008 9:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
anyone who can combine ugly and defense like that
gets my vote
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
by colintj on Dec 30, 2008 11:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kittle
is ranked 21st all time in home runs per at bat. pretty impressive.
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Dec 30, 2008 9:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i mean at bats per home run
home runs per at bat would be pretty impressive.
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Dec 30, 2008 9:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no george davis? no wynn?
buck weaver, too.
c: fisk, schalk, pierzynski, lollar, karkovice.
by larry on Dec 30, 2008 8:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Early Wynn should have been included.
He had one magical season…i was looking at white sox career numbers and forgot about him. Shame on me.
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Dec 30, 2008 8:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We sure have had some SS’s.. Aparicio & Appling should be interesting.
by Grinder in Training on Dec 31, 2008 2:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it really shouldn't be, especially since luis' best years were not here.
aparicio was one of the best defensive SS ever but you’d need to be to overcome that OBP. appling in a walk.
by larry on Dec 31, 2008 2:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough
I didn’t pay enough attention to where Aparicio spent his best years, I was just looking at his overall #’s.
by Grinder in Training on Dec 31, 2008 2:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i've got 6 in mind right now
including the great white kark
sit*
by U-God on Dec 30, 2008 8:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and kenwo should be happy as half weren't in my lifetime
sit*
by U-God on Dec 30, 2008 8:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Fisk seems a shoo-in.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Dec 30, 2008 8:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Fisk is definitely a shoo-in
Sorry AJ
by oahu420 on Dec 30, 2008 8:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is where my Kark vote comes in for personal favorite (like larry was talking about up there). He was too cool.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Dec 30, 2008 9:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i went to an autograph thing with karkovice when i was a kid.
it was at the local pet store. i think i was the only one who showed up. pretty sure the owner just wanted to hang out with ron for awhile because it certainly didn’t attract customers.
by larry on Dec 30, 2008 9:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
who wouldn't want to hang out with Karko?
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Dec 30, 2008 9:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
who wouldn't want to hang out with kenwo?
takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm
by furby2056 on Dec 30, 2008 10:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
valid point....
Kenwo is everyone’s hero
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Dec 30, 2008 11:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
haha. awesome!!!! Where was Chi to take me to that one? He took me to meet Dick Biondi at a tire shop or something...would have loved to meet the big man behind the plate.
He could have signed my bag of cat litter.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Dec 31, 2008 8:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice work, U-God. Dig the format, the pretty pictures, the honesty.... This is a nice way to pass the off-season. thanks!
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Dec 30, 2008 8:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
thanks
I wanted to do something semi-productive with my time over break and I figured this was a good move.
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by U-God on Dec 30, 2008 8:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It was. Bon mots to you.
And U of I basketball can kiss my ass. We of W. Lay-flat are already spitting the bit. Like effin’ clockwork.
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
by winningugly on Dec 31, 2008 7:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you guys better not vote Frank DH.
that would be a travesty. ftr, i voted for Harold. i’m sure his numbers don’t compare to The Masher, but I’ve always had a big soft spot for him.
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
by colintj on Dec 30, 2008 11:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
carl sums it up:
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
by colintj on Dec 30, 2008 11:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
there actually was a skanberg comic there
it’s the one from palehose six where the ship’s burning.
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
by colintj on Dec 31, 2008 1:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I voted for Frank.
It says nothing of “career” DH, or “one with the highest career % of DH plate appearances”. And Harold was a gosh-darn RF fpr awhile, too. So, as hoodie would say, piss off.
regards
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
by winningugly on Dec 31, 2008 7:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you suck.
Sober, I was appalled at the women. Drunk I was told I danced with them all.
by colintj on Dec 31, 2008 2:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes.
I would rather douse a newspaper in gasoline, wrap it around my penis and light it on fire then relive that experience
by armedpp on Aug 29, 2007 2:36 AM EDT
by winningugly on Dec 31, 2008 3:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Really though isn’t Frank our best DH and 1B ever? If you took his stats from just 1b and his stats from just DH and made him two players he still wins at both, no ?
by Grinder in Training on Dec 31, 2008 1:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
yeah
but how’s he gonna play both in this imaginary game?
sit*
by U-God on Dec 31, 2008 3:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's Frank Thomas.
Bat him 2 and 6. He’ll never be on base when it’s his at bat anyways.. he’ll have cleared the bases with a home run.
Plus worst case he gets walked and stuck on base for his next at bat.. we add a special category. Ghost Runner for Frank Thomas.
Aparicio, Raines, Johnson and the great Jerry Owens can battle it out.
by Grinder in Training on Dec 31, 2008 6:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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