i know he was the cat’s pajama’s not too long ago and could be our next Gavin Floyd, but really? we couldn’t steal anything else?

though there’s no press release yet!

got be a big chance we are going for a top FA now

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/12/reds-trade-bail.html

if only because Jocketty has shown himself to be pretty open about his intentions. he’s at least been floating possibilities. i don’t think Kenny has even mentioned the Reds, but Jocketty otoh has gone as far as he can talking about the Sox and what he’s been offered.

but I am excited to see what this kid can offer. If this was 2010 then JD wouldnt be moved, he would just become the next DH.

We will miss you JD and your World Series MVP; however, you managed to not perform any clutch hitting last year. I see this as our opportunity to dump him before a steep decline in performance. I will miss his diving catches, but then again, they were a result of his slow movement in the outfield.

Does this mean Brian Anderson gets a full time gig in the outfield (assuming we dont get an OF free agent.

It’d essentially be six years of Bailey for one of Dye (plus possible draft pick compensation), as Dye has a mutual option for 2010 at $12MM. Those almost never get fully exercised – if one side wants it, the other doesn’t. It would be interesting to see what the White Sox could do with Bailey given their recent success developing young pitchers.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/12/reds-trade-bail.html

Bailey reminds me of a Corey Patterson or Feliz Pie. Looking at Bailey’s career numbers makes me want to vomit if that’s what we’re going to get every 5 days.

I can’t see Kenny turning around to go after a big free agent…there really aren’t any that excite me.

I HOPE this is a rumor….I really like JD.

same writer though…

http://www.daytondailynews.com/s/content/oh/story/sports/pro/reds/2008/12/07/ddn120808spredsweb.html

now we have to fill another hole.

It was fun while it lasted WTGTD

We are trying to collect as many failed first round picks to pair up with our own failed picks. BA has a new best friend.

a) sign abreu
b) sign ibanez (puke)
c) trade for hermida

$85 million, give or take? Kenny insinuated in the last conference call that after the Vazquez trade they were pretty close to their limits, so I’m guessing this trade gives them some leeway on the market…

Small market here we come

A 22 year old starter with that kind of talent. Obviously there are risks, but 6 years worth of Bailey for a year of Dye seems worth it. Also, I don’t think anyone sees the 09 team as a possible WS team.

http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2008/12/7/684400/kenny-williams-pulls-heist

or our favorite WTGTD memories.

A source familiar with the talks rejected a report in the Dayton Daily News quoting a “major-league source close to the situation” that a deal to send Sox right fielder Jermaine Dye to Cincinnati for pitcher Homer Bailey “was done and would be announced this week.”

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-081207-chicago-white-sox-winter-meetings,0,7672373.story

Even though the White Sox won the AL Central in 2008, they apparently lost money.

Williams said getting younger is his prime objective this winter, but cutting the 2008 payroll ($121 million) ranks a close second.

“If there’s something out there, whether it be by trade or through free agency, we’ll explore it,” Williams said. “But there are parameters we have right now. Payroll-wise, we are bumping up against our break-even point as we sit here today.”

http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=256402

here

DONT LET THE DOOR HIT YOU ON THE ASS!

the White Sox go and get things started early by trading Jermaine Dye to Cincinnati for Homer Bailey. All I could think of was The Dude from The Big Lebowski saying, "That’s [expletive] interesting, man." Maybe this is Kenny’s trend. Find some mega-talented ultra-high first-round pitcher who’s done nothing of late but annoy the team that drafted him. It sure worked with Gavin Floyd . .

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=1118

Reds assistant general manager Bob Miller said the club is not about to announce a trade that would send Homer Bailey to White Sox for the Jermaine Dye.

“We haven’t talked to White Sox since we got here (Las Vegas),” Miller said.

The Chicago Tribune quoted a White Sox source as saying the deal wasn’t done. The source said the Reds were reluctant to take Dye’ $11.5 million salary.

Link

waaaay limited sample, but nonetheless encouraging. that said, the cards (which actually have all available data from their respective years) suggest a serious mechanical change occurred. check it: ‘07 vs. ’08

Note the big time difference in the fastball’s movement. Just from having stared at these a ton, Bailey’s fastball goes from Dotelian (limited x movement, BIIIIG y movement) to crappy. And the K rate in ’07 from the fastball was very good (10+%). So it looks like he changed his arm slot and ended up with a worse version of everything.

“Wrong. It’s not even close,” Jocketty said of the rumor.

There have been talks between the Reds and White Sox involving Dye, but they to not appear to be currently active.

“We haven’t had any discussions with the White Sox since before Thanksgiving,” Jocketty told MLB.com.

http://hotstove.mlblogs.com/archives/2008/12/jocketty_denies_dyebailey_rumo.html

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/12/orlando-cabrera.html

I’m not that good at handicapping trades right after they happened — I’m really more of a hindsight guy — but my sense of this is that the Reds may have gotten the better end of the Homer Bailey for Jermaine Dye deal.

This may sound surprising in that, generally speaking, trading a 22 year-old pitching prospect for an aging corner guy with a dreadful glove usually constitutes malpractice. I’ve seen a lot of Homer Bailey, however, and my gut is that he’s about to fall into the abyss. He’s a putative power pitcher whose fastball has slowed down, who hasn’t made any adjustments or developed a credible third pitch, and who, based on his reaction to being sent down the past couple of years, seems to have some attitude problems. Could he turn it around with the change of scenery and turn into Curt Schilling or something? Sure, I suppose anything is possible and, hey, the guy is only 22. But I’m just kind of going with my gut on this one, and my gut tells me that he’s going to bop around for the next four or five years, disappointing wherever he goes, and making people scratch their heads and wonder why in the hell he never took off.

Dye? Not exactly someone who the Reds are going to build around, but he’s a useful bat at the very least, and if he can tear it up in the first half, he could be a useful trade chit for the Reds to send to a playoff contender desperate for an extra bat.

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/shysterball/article/dye-bailey/

If thats all we could get for Jermaine Dye, the scouts must thin Dye is going to hit .230 next year and hit 15 home runs. We could asily get 3 top notch prospects from another team for Jermine Dye, He’s a seasoned veteran. The Sox are hoping for 2011.