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"We're not into a big type of rebuilding project," Williams says, "but more of a transitional endeavor where you blend in some young players with a good veteran corps. I know we've traded away a lot of players, but we're just trying to put the best club on the field while staying flexible."

"I wake up every day feeling that there's one more move to make," Williams says. "We'll keep the lights on and see who calls.

"But, to be honest, I think it will be the quietest winter meetings I ever attended. I just think there will be very little trade action because of the economic landscape. Like it or not, teams have to tighten up. You can not give someone a dollar if you only have 50 cents."

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he really use this again?
You can not give someone a dollar if you only have 50 cents."

Thank you,
these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.

by Jbasic89 on Dec 7, 2008 11:28 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

kenny found a quarter!

he was down to 25 cents a month ago

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Dec 7, 2008 11:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He is down a quarter.

He used 75 cents. Remember, we said his budget had increase.

Must’ve been before they received the partnership K-1.

i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.

by winningugly on Dec 8, 2008 7:43 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Question

Was Dye in right worse than Griffey was in center this year?

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these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.

by Jbasic89 on Dec 7, 2008 11:30 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

well according to these he was

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pfk_WuYpfdux2FC_hs6ROEQ&gid=1

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these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.

by Jbasic89 on Dec 7, 2008 11:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

btw i looked at these after i asked that question

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these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.

by Jbasic89 on Dec 7, 2008 11:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not a huge numbers guy

but Dye played in quite a few more games which means a higher chances for mistakes

Hell just watching the two play you could tell that

by 815Sox on Dec 7, 2008 11:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

So basically

Kenny is thinking the market is going to stall (lets face it, its not going to be fun for the next few years, great time to graduate college) and is hoping these young guys develop?

by 815Sox on Dec 7, 2008 11:31 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

When I say market

I mean the baseball market/trading… not the “market” which is already stalled

by 815Sox on Dec 7, 2008 11:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Also

Need to mention I’m very well aware this is all a big bluff

by 815Sox on Dec 7, 2008 11:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

it'll stall

and he’ll have a crapload of cash on hand and a number of cheap young guys to make up the difference

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 7, 2008 11:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I like that he's doing this now.

We all called for this last year. Kenny somehow pulled together a few small things to get younger and stretched out a few guys stays just enough to get a division winner. He’s getting more young talent this year and will hopefully be able to fill in the gaps with the extra money and have a few of these guys work out. It’s gotta happen sometime.

Welcome to Nowhere. How did the treadmill get us here?

by defensive indifference on Dec 8, 2008 12:24 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Only time will tell

Next year we will either be praising kenny, or whining about how he wasted another shot or two at the division/league or World Series because he decided to rebuild

by 815Sox on Dec 8, 2008 12:28 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, I agree.

For the most part I’ve found myself praising Kenny in the past though.

Welcome to Nowhere. How did the treadmill get us here?

by defensive indifference on Dec 8, 2008 12:31 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

I also still think he has a big move or two coming

by 815Sox on Dec 8, 2008 12:33 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Also

With out division the only team we are going to have to worry about is the Twins, we are basically going to be competing with the Red Sox, Rays, Angels and Yankees for the next few years… especially if the baseball market really does stall out

by 815Sox on Dec 8, 2008 12:35 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I would disagree rather strongly

Cleveland and MN are the 2 best teams in the division, and both have strong farm systems. They are probably co-favorites to win the division next season.

At this point, I don’t think the Sox are particularly better than DET or KC. We’re talking about a team that, as currently configured, has Richard and Marquez in the rotation and Jerry Owens, Chris Getz, and Wilson Betemit/Josh Fields starting everyday. That’s a pretty bad team.

The Sox may be building a better team for the future, and the offseason is far from over, but it’s crazy to talk about competing with the elite of the AL right now.

by hitlesswonder on Dec 8, 2008 12:43 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...

it’s really not the time to compare this team to the rest of the division.

Welcome to Nowhere. How did the treadmill get us here?

by defensive indifference on Dec 8, 2008 12:50 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

strong farm systems?

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 8, 2008 1:15 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well...stronger than the Sox

For Cleveland, Miller, Lofgren, Wellgarz, Mills, Rodriguez, Lewis, LaPorta…I think that’s pretty good. Granted, a big question is Miller’s arm.

For MN…well, I know less but Hicks, Revere, Ramos, and Swarzak are all good prospects and I’m assuming their deal with Satan for the best scouts in baseball continues…

by hitlesswonder on Dec 8, 2008 8:52 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

lofgren, huh.

the indians sure think of lot of that guy, considering they didn’t bother to protect him.

a-rod is a traitor.

by larry on Dec 8, 2008 8:58 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I thought they thought no one would claim him because of his injuries

Because no one would spend a MLB roster spot on a guy that physically isn’t ready to perform again.

Anyway, I forgot Santana on the Indians list…so if it makes you feel better, switch the names :)

by hitlesswonder on Dec 8, 2008 9:06 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i don't see anyone on there that i'd take instead of

Beckham, Poreda and Flowers. Laporta is slightly more advanced, but is already stuck at a corner OF spot. Miller pitched 22 innings last year. The guy I like best offhand is a guy you didn’t even mention, Carlos Santana (whom they picked up in the Blake deal, iirc). The others are either less advanced, don’t play premium positions or haven’t performed as well. In the very least, this is arguable.

As for the Twins, their position players are all miles away from ready and they don’t have a prospective ace on the way. All of this is with minimum research, so I won’t say I’m definitely right. But I certainly quibble with the idea that the Twins and Indians have significantly better talent on the farm at this point.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 8, 2008 10:01 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Again thats counting that Kenny doesn't bring anyone else in

If he doesn’t then I’d agree that Cleveland and Minn will compete with them… but Det and KC better then the current team we have??

Minnesota was just as lucky as we were last year to be in the position that they were in, if they didn’t have that dome then I doubt they would have been in contention. Cleveland ended up doing better at the end but unloaded some of their talent.

BTW I never said they are competing with the AL elite with this team, I said that is who the future opponents will be and that is who they will be competing against.

The Rays are still young, we will see if next year was a fluke. The Red Sox will be good. The Yankees will be able to spend whatever they want of course (unless the market really craps out)

by 815Sox on Dec 8, 2008 7:45 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The Yankees will be able to spend whatever they want of course

(unless the market really craps out).

In which case, the Yankees will be able to spend whatever they want.

"I am not going out like SSH. "
by WTGTD, 12/3/08

by ballyb on Dec 8, 2008 8:31 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I meant like great depression levels

but yes they will still be able to outspend people

by 815Sox on Dec 8, 2008 8:37 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

In my mind it's too early to say the Sox

are going to compete for anything this year. And the same goes for years to come. The Sox don’t have the young talent of the Rays, so I don’t see how anyone can project them as an elite team for the next 5 seasons or whatever. And the Sox don’t have the money of LAA,Bos, NYY.

The Sox could absolutely be a very competitive team in the coming years, maybe even this year with some moves. But Kenny has not cornered the market on young talent this offseason. He’s added 2 interesting prospects (assuming Viciedo signs) that are not sure things to a system that lacks any top 50 prospects.

by hitlesswonder on Dec 8, 2008 9:00 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds like a post from December, 2007.

So who the eff knows?

i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.

by winningugly on Dec 8, 2008 9:19 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Bad reporting or just weirdness?

From a recent trib story:

Another major-league source said talks linking Jenks and the New York Mets never progressed. Williams scouted Mets pitching prospect Bobby Parnell at an Arizona Fall League game last month, but New York is disinclined to trade Parnell, the source said.

Is this really suggesting the Mets would not trade Parnell for Bobby Jenks? Really? I just don’t get it — either this is bad reporting (I notice there’s no direct link made between scouting Parnell and Jenks, just an implication) or Jenks trade value is low beyond my imagining….

by hitlesswonder on Dec 7, 2008 11:58 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Its slightly possible

The league knows something about Jenks injury that we don’t? Who knows though

by 815Sox on Dec 8, 2008 12:07 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

if the market really is in this bad of shape

in terms of supply, i’d imagine it would be much stronger at the deadline, considering the inevitable injuries, contenders looking for bullpen help, extra bat, etc.

"KenWO
no point in arguing with people who are blinded from reality..."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 29, 2008 6:49 PM

by Illini0509 on Dec 8, 2008 12:11 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i'm beginning to believe that kenny williams has amassed some heavy gambling debt.

he’s trimming payroll in the 10s of millions and still talking about only having various amounts of change with which to buy things.

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Dec 8, 2008 12:14 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

All I know is

Kenny better have something cooking up in the kitchen right now

by 815Sox on Dec 8, 2008 12:16 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

fa reals yo

Thank you,
these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.

by Jbasic89 on Dec 8, 2008 1:27 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

unsubstantiated rumor:

kang, kodos & cash considerations for hank scorpio and a lenny to be named later

How much is that Uribe in the window?

by thecip on Dec 8, 2008 8:57 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

what about the dogs with bees in their mouth so that when they bark they shoot bees at you?

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 8, 2008 10:03 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

they taste like burning.

How much is that Uribe in the window?

by thecip on Dec 8, 2008 10:17 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Have we acquired Ken Griffey Jr yet?

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these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.

by Jbasic89 on Dec 8, 2008 9:19 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Short Center

Thank you,
these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.

by Jbasic89 on Dec 8, 2008 9:21 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Sox clippings from THT transaction analysis
12/4/08

Atlanta Braves acquired RHP Javier Vazquez and LHP Boone Logan from the Chicago White Sox in exchange for C Tyler Flowers, INFs Jonathan Gilmore and Brent Lillibridge and LHP Santos Rodriguez.

This is a great move for the Braves. They add an innings-eater (eight years of over 200 innings pitched) who is only 32 despite 11 years of service. He can rack up the strikeouts, and despite his 4.67 ERA, his xFIP was 3.96, making this a potential bargain for the club. The 2009 Bill James Handbook projects him to pitch 214 innings of 3.80 ERA ball, whiffing 195. Keep in mind that this is with Vazquez pitching in The Cell, a hitter’s park, so he may do better at Turner Field. Also, don’t rule out peace of mind because he finally gets his wish to pitch closer to his native Puerto Rico, a fact that spurred him to request a trade from the Arizona Diamondbacks three years ago. Logan is a young left-hander who hasn’t experienced success at the major league level yet and probably won’t win a bullpen job.

For the ChiSox, it opens the ability for the club to chase after a young pitcher via trade. Rumor has it they have their eye on Cincinatti Red Homer Bailey, possibly in exchange for outfielder Jermaine Dye. Flowers is the real prize here, as Kenny Williams reportedly salivated over him after seeing him play fall ball. He has questions defensively, but the ChiSox are hoping he is A.J. Pierzynski’s replacement. Gilmore is too far off to project while Lillibridge will compete with Jayson Nix and other retreads for the second base job. He can also fill in as a utility man off the bench and has excellent speed. He could be Williams’ answer to Chone Figgins, who he has coveted for a long time. Rodriguez, 20 and pitching in Rookie ball last year, could be the gem of the trade. He whiffed 49 in 25 innings while walking just 13, giving up nine earned runs and zero homers.
12/5/08

Chicago White Sox signed RHP John Van Benschoten to a minor league contract.

Van Benschoten won’t follow in the footsteps of Rick Ankiel and Adam Loewen, at least not yet. The former college slugger remains adamant as staying as a pitcher despite having baseball’s worst career ERA in at least 90 innings pitched. While his minor league track record suggests an ability to be a back of the rotation starter or capable middle reliever, he certainly hasn’t translated it to ability at the major league level. Perhaps White Sox pitching coach Don Cooper can spin another feel-good story.

by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 8, 2008 9:24 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm, "peace of mind" for Javy.

How is that quantified, seamheads? WTF is THT doing talking about unquantifiable concepts that could affect performance?

I am appalled.

i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.

by winningugly on Dec 8, 2008 9:29 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

hilarious

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 8, 2008 6:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

"gets his wish to pitch closer to his native Puerto Rico"

Can somebody help me?

I never got this. Does he / family / friends walk back and forth to Puerto Rico?

"I am not going out like SSH. "
by WTGTD, 12/3/08

by ballyb on Dec 8, 2008 9:50 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Oops, didn't read below.

Marginal difference at best.

How many days off are players free to do as they please. Exceptions written into contracts? Pitchers different?

"I am not going out like SSH. "
by WTGTD, 12/3/08

by ballyb on Dec 8, 2008 9:53 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

that is really stretching it

I mean, seriously, ATL is closer to PR than Chicago but I’d be willing to be there is more PR culture and immigrants in CHI than ATL.

He has peace of mind because he went from one of the largest markets to one of the smaller ones and he isn’t pitching for Guillen anymore. Javy will do well in ATL because it’s the NL and a pitcher’s park. I wish him well and hope the package the Sox got for him turns into something decent.

by madvillian on Dec 8, 2008 9:37 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

the reason he wants to be close to puerto rico is because his family does not live with him, they live in puerto rico.

heck of a lot easier to get to the PR on a day off from atlanta (or other nl east cities, for that matter) than phoenix or even chicago.

a-rod is a traitor.

by larry on Dec 8, 2008 9:47 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Si.

Same time zone, too. And it’s warmer than Chi-town.

All factors in giving him peace of mind.

i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.

by winningugly on Dec 8, 2008 9:49 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

but considering chicago and nyc are large markets with sizable puerto rican populations

- and i know that geographically atl is a lot closer – its still more flexible to fly from chitown or nyc because you can get more direct flights.

by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 8, 2008 9:55 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i hear they've got a pretty decent sized airport in ATL

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 8, 2008 10:05 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i know, i've been

but size of airport probably doesn’t equate demand for direct flight b/w atl and puerto rico.

i don’t want to take up more comment space, bottom line is that i agree with madvillian but i’m also sensitive to the sensitive prick’s (i.e. hobby) personal matters.

by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 8, 2008 10:15 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i know its a hub

and i stand corrected, checked direct flights for delta (i think that’s the primary carrier for ATL), and there are plenty of direct flights. not for united and aa though.

by onlysoxfaninboston on Dec 8, 2008 10:37 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

it's like you're bhoov today.

do some damn research, son.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 8, 2008 11:07 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Have I wandered onto an FAA site by mistake?

Fer Chrissakes.

i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.

by winningugly on Dec 8, 2008 11:11 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

DEFEND!

Gotta close the year strong, osfib. Gotta close.

i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.

by winningugly on Dec 8, 2008 11:29 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

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