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I thought about writing an FJM style entry Saturday dissecting Phil Rogers' latest column on leadoff men, but decided I had better things to do with my Saturday night. I then ran across three more Chicago-based articles on Sunday which referenced Williams' conference call non-denial of a question regarding Jerry Owens. I had to post something.

But just as I was setting out to write a post titled "Leadoff Man Bukkake," the Jermaine Dye non-news broke, distracting me for a good 90 minutes. So, there will be no impotence or Viagra references in this post. Sorry.

I do have to ask why our local beat writers assume Jerry Owens is your 2009 CFer and defacto leadoff man while Chris Getz, who outperformed Owens on the same Charlotte squad, is in a competition for the second base job and penciled into the 9th spot on the extremely premature '09 White Sox lineup. What is it about Owens skills at age 28 that suggests he's any better than the discarded Willy Harris? Why does the local media think leadoff hitter is a position, and not simply the first man penciled into the lineup?

Anyway, the winter meetings start today in Vegas, and rumors are due to start tricking in any minute now, so use the comments to do what you do...

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What WTGTD writes

get’z set in stone.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 8, 2008 9:41 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

you on the ledge right now?

or are you 100% sure that dye isnt going anywhere?

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Dec 8, 2008 9:44 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Not really on the ledge at all.

Wasn’t Torri Hunter and Miguel Cabrerra, white sox last year as well? Some hillrod from the Dayton trib killed any chance of this deal going down now.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 8, 2008 9:49 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Killed Dye being moved for Bailey or for anyone else?

Thank you,
these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.

by Jbasic89 on Dec 8, 2008 9:50 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

For Bailey...

If you were the Red’s, would you make this trade?

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 8, 2008 9:50 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No

Thank you,
these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.

by Jbasic89 on Dec 8, 2008 9:54 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

They aren

Thank you,
these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.

by Jbasic89 on Dec 8, 2008 9:54 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

huh?

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 8, 2008 9:55 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

**They aren't good enough

for Dye to be able to help them with anything besides maybe trading him for prospects at the deadline..

Thank you,
these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.

by Jbasic89 on Dec 8, 2008 9:55 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

So my membership is safe for now.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 8, 2008 10:04 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Why trade him until some other chips fall?

His value may increase if a team loses out on a bat or 2 that they planned on signing/trading for.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 8, 2008 9:56 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know why they think it is a "position"?

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 8, 2008 9:41 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Everyone knows you need speed at the top of the order

Look at almost every World Series winner blah, blah, blah

by hitlesswonder on Dec 8, 2008 9:48 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Well when Tex signs with the Yankees

and Kong is shipped to L.A. all this lead off talk will stop.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 8, 2008 9:50 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

who are we getting for p-kon?

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Dec 8, 2008 9:55 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

do you have to ask?

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 8, 2008 9:57 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yes

because this is like the brian roberts rumors in chicago…. our sportswriters have become obsessed wtih figgins and roberts, but theyre never going to happen.

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Dec 8, 2008 9:58 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

we do have a surplus of middle infielders...

if the Oreiols were interested…

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 8, 2008 10:03 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I find it hard to believe

that all these players that we have acquired will still be here come feb 12th or whenever pitchers and catchers report.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 8, 2008 10:26 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ervin Santana… Figgins…

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 8, 2008 9:57 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

* Hunter

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 8, 2008 9:57 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

kotchman and garland

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Dec 8, 2008 12:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

latest word is tex for paulie and owens

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Dec 8, 2008 3:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i think it's because they are not smart.

because otherwise they would have figured this shit out already.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 8, 2008 9:51 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

is there any point in rec'ing front page posts?

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 8, 2008 10:18 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

i rec'd

can we make it green?

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 8, 2008 10:39 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I suggest flagging it

 And turning it flaming red.

"It never is, because I'm the Shogun. And before you get to the Shogun, you gotta go through a lot of ninjas."

by Ozzie Montana on Dec 8, 2008 2:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

DUZ IT MATTERZ?

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 8, 2008 11:43 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yes

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Dec 8, 2008 12:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

IIRC

it got done right before the meetings wrapped up.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 8, 2008 1:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

it was the first deal of the meetings

Thank you,
these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.

by Jbasic89 on Dec 8, 2008 8:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

WTF.

This Vegas, these guys won’t be doing business til 2 or 3 this afternoon.

"I am not going out like SSH. "
by WTGTD, 12/3/08

by ballyb on Dec 8, 2008 11:05 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

After a few trades are annulled

EVERYBODY PICK US FOR 3RD OR 4TH SO I DINK WE DOIN POOTY GOO
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Dec 8, 2008 11:32 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

because they won't be arriving until then...

Ken Williams expected into town the next few hours, and both he and manager Ozzie Guillen will meet with the media later today. 4 minutes ago

a-rod is a traitor.

by larry on Dec 8, 2008 12:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

lovely! it's been too long.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Dec 8, 2008 11:20 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

plop plop!

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 8, 2008 11:26 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I.E.

FAIL. What is that a picture of?

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 8, 2008 11:41 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No, WTGTD fail.

Works fine here.

i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.

by winningugly on Dec 8, 2008 11:51 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I.E. FAIL

meaning Internet Explorer… I am used to my trusty mozilla.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 8, 2008 11:52 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I know what you meant.

IE image works fine here.

i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.

by winningugly on Dec 8, 2008 11:56 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I would probably get fired

if it loaded. So thank god.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 8, 2008 11:57 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Nah

Completely suitable for work this time.

by Grinder in Training on Dec 8, 2008 12:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That is why I usually post the dog hump/puke at night...

job security is already hard enough as it is!

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 8, 2008 12:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

btw thank you for that article on closers.

I rec’d you for it.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 8, 2008 11:53 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks. I saw that.

Where’s my prize?

i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.

by winningugly on Dec 8, 2008 11:56 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You are looking at him.

unless JD gets traded.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 8, 2008 12:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

there's no way you're leaving SSS when JD gets traded.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 8, 2008 12:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I promised you all that he would not be traded.

Bet my membership on it. I couldn’t take that walk of shame.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 8, 2008 12:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Cheat would crap his pants...

The threads would go from 100+ comments to 20. This place would turn into the D-Rays blog.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 8, 2008 12:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Old Chinese saying, WTGTD:

Put your hand in a moving stream, then remove it. The hole that is left is how indispensible you are. Or something like that.

(We are all dispensible. Anyone calling for Toonder’s return? I mean, really?)

i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.

by winningugly on Dec 8, 2008 12:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

and this place cycles through would be Cheat helpers like

you go through a bottle of wine.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 8, 2008 12:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

*box for bottle

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 8, 2008 1:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yuck

drink a mans drink, mother’s milk, I mean Wolfshmidt Vodka! AKA wolfenshmuck.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 8, 2008 2:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not much of a hard alcohol guy (I love my beers)

Colin on the other hand had a great night on here after consuming what appeared to be quite a few drinks for him (so like 3)

by 815Sox on Dec 10, 2008 7:15 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I never got Toonder's departing message...

has anyone heard from ChicagoPete?

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 8, 2008 1:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Nobody did. It was whispered in the winds.

Or maybe that was the dog farting.

Either way….
Pete was last spotted (in my recollection) at the end of the season and in the short-lived post-season.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Dec 8, 2008 2:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

With pete...

probably your dog passing gas.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 8, 2008 2:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

well played

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Dec 8, 2008 11:55 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Speaking of questionable mediocre members of our team....

Look who is the proud new sponsor of our little Larry (Dewayne).

And for the record, I still love Willie.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Dec 8, 2008 11:29 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

the ps?

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 8, 2008 11:42 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

port slut.

a-rod is a traitor.

by larry on Dec 8, 2008 11:43 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That is not very nice...

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 8, 2008 11:46 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

haha great

How much is that Uribe in the window?

by thecip on Dec 8, 2008 12:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

"The Grave Dancer" Sam Zell continues his tango with the Scrubs:

http://www.cnbc.com/id/28113659

Interesting last line in the article (re: Trib. possible bankruptcy) about trading with the Cubs. When is a contract not a contract?

i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.

by winningugly on Dec 8, 2008 11:55 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

In what entity are the Cubs held?

But, yes, I agree with you. (And who am I to agrue – this is your baliwig.)

i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.

by winningugly on Dec 8, 2008 12:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

some LLC

something like chicago cubs national league baseball club, llc

a-rod is a traitor.

by larry on Dec 8, 2008 12:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That makes sense.

i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.

by winningugly on Dec 8, 2008 12:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I heard the trib did file chapter 11

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Dec 8, 2008 1:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2008/12/tribune-files-for-bankruptcy.html

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Dec 8, 2008 1:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Tribune files for bankruptcy
Media conglomerate Tribune Co. has filed for bankruptcy protection, pressured by high debts.

The Chicago Tribune’s parent company was working with bankruptcy advisers at investment bank Lazard and law firm Sidley Austin to weigh financial options, sources told the Chicago Tribune for this morning’s paper.

Tribune Co. has been struggling under a $13 billion debt load since real estate magnate Sam Zell took the company private last December in an $8.2 billion leveraged buyout. The company faces a deadline today on $70 million of unsecured debt it took on before Zell’s deal.

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Dec 8, 2008 1:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

W . O . W .

"I am not going out like SSH. "
by WTGTD, 12/3/08

by ballyb on Dec 8, 2008 12:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

BWAHAHAHAHA!

(I do feel bad for him, sort of.)

i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.

by winningugly on Dec 8, 2008 12:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Rec'd.

Very nice, Buckley. (Smirks to self.)

i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.

by winningugly on Dec 8, 2008 12:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

hard to feel sorry for him when doc said, "quit drinking or you'll lose yer legs".

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 8, 2008 1:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

oh no!

jeez!

How much is that Uribe in the window?

by thecip on Dec 8, 2008 12:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

that is pretty sad.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Dec 8, 2008 1:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

no dick allen

bastasrds…

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Dec 8, 2008 2:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

no dick allen level anger

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Dec 8, 2008 2:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Woman arrested after ill-timed smoke break
Associated Press
12:02 AM CST, December 8, 2008
MUNCIE, Ind. – Police say a Muncie woman was arrested after asking a state trooper whether she could smoke — and then trying to light up a marijuana joint.

Thirty-two-year-old Honesty Knight was a passenger in a vehicle that Trooper Eric Perkins pulled over for a traffic violation early Friday. While the trooper was talking to the driver, Knight obtained the trooper’s permission to smoke.

Police say Perkins then asked to see the cigarette, which contained marijuana, not tobacco.

Knight faces a preliminary charge of possession of paraphernalia. She was released from jail on bond, but couldn’t be located for comment because no home telephone number was listed in her name.

a-rod is a traitor.

by larry on Dec 8, 2008 12:22 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

there's Muncie fer ya!

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Dec 8, 2008 1:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Try Indiana in general

I spent a year over there… never again

by 815Sox on Dec 8, 2008 2:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

sorry about your luck...

oh wait someone is going to get mad at me for making fun of people from Indiana who have never heard of hockey!

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 8, 2008 2:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Fuck you guys

I live in Lake County, IN.

IN>IL

by JoeCoolMan24 on Dec 8, 2008 7:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

that's not cool, man.

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Dec 9, 2008 1:23 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Its okay

It was 7 years ago, I blocked it out

by 815Sox on Dec 8, 2008 7:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Viciedo update, etc.
By Mark Gonzales

LAS VEGAS — An announcement on the signing of 19-year-old third baseman Dayan Viciedo by the White Sox could come as soon as the end of the week.

Agent Jaime Torres comfirmed that the necessary paperwork was completed that would allow the Cuban to arrive in the United States.

Viciedo has drawn rave reviews from several major league scouts for his hitting, but Sox general manager Ken Williams revealed Viciedo was told to lose 10 pounds before the start of spring training.

Nevertheless, completing the paperwork will allow Viciedo to get acclimated to the United States.

Torres also reported that Sox shortstop Alexei Ramirez, the runnerup to Tampa Bay’s Evan Longoria in the 2009 American League rookie of the year ballotting, took only two weeks off before resuming workouts.

Recently signed pitcher John Van Benschoten is represented by agent Joe Bick, who represents since-departed Nick Swisher and Sox farm director Buddy Bell.

http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2008/12/viciedo-update.html

a-rod is a traitor.

by larry on Dec 8, 2008 12:29 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks - I was wondering WTF was happening with this.

i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.

by winningugly on Dec 8, 2008 12:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

pretty much on the ramirez path.

arrives one month after the deal is announced. they don’t just let anyone into this country. legally, of course.

a-rod is a traitor.

by larry on Dec 8, 2008 12:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I liked this part...
completing the paperwork will allow Viciedo to get acclimated to the United States.

Which to me reads that Viciedo needs to get used to doing a lot more paperwork in the US. Which is probably true: 401K distribution, timecards, insurance forms, the 3 things you fill out when you see a doctor that all ask what you are allergic to and which they don’t read, and so on……

by hitlesswonder on Dec 8, 2008 12:44 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Do you have anything to declare?

And I think he’ll be contributing to his 401k – he’s a little young to be taking distributions, OPOS.

i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.

by winningugly on Dec 8, 2008 12:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You think he has to fill out a time card?

by Grinder in Training on Dec 8, 2008 1:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL!
Q. If the Detroit Lions go 0-16, will they qualify for a government bailout?

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/othersports/390086_chad01.html

:p

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Dec 8, 2008 1:02 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Tribune is verkacht.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Tribune-files-for-bankruptcy-apf-13773627.html

BWAHAHAHAHA!

i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.

by winningugly on Dec 8, 2008 1:22 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

BTB

Quick UZR/PMR Comparison
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2008/12/8/684214/quick-uzr-pmr-comparison

Quick UZR/PMR Comparison
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2008/12/8/679648/introducing-justvorp

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Dec 8, 2008 2:18 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

So... as of right now.

are we the best team in the division? My answer is YES!

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 8, 2008 2:37 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

What happened to jack wilson?

ROFL at U-God’s post. Didn’t the Twins try this experiment last year?

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by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 8, 2008 2:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

he's only going to cost the tigers $1M

and they don’t really need more offense, so it’s not a terrible signing for them

sit*

by U-God on Dec 8, 2008 2:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

for sucktitude!

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

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by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 8, 2008 2:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

it's a great signing.

[again showing how defense is undervalued.] especially for the tigers, who were horseshit on defense last year.

a-rod is a traitor.

by larry on Dec 8, 2008 2:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Renteria won a gold glove or 2 if I am not mistaken?

How did that work out for them? They still have Pena, and MCab in the infield. Not good. Polanco is decent but he is getting up there in age and size of head.

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bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

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by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 8, 2008 2:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

no one named Pena plays for Detroit

and renteria’s defense has been down lately

sit*

by U-God on Dec 8, 2008 3:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

right
  • I mean Guillen

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by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 8, 2008 3:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

news to me

inge is a decent infielder.

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by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 8, 2008 3:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Inge will be at 3B

and he’s not awful defensively at third

sit*

by U-God on Dec 8, 2008 3:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

if he's anywhere near the elite SS defender he's been in the past, he'll be well

worth a million dollars. and anytime you expect a low scoring game, the value of his defense goes up.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 8, 2008 2:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Unless they give him pogo sticks to stand on

he won’t be able to get to all those line drives hit over his head due to their shitty pitching staff.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 8, 2008 3:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

shitty defense contributes to shitty pitching staff

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by colintj on Dec 8, 2008 3:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

a strong combination of both

in my estimation.

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by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 8, 2008 3:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

so you agree tha they do need help at defense. and they just signed the guy

was the consensus best shortstop in baseball from 03-07 for a million dollars, less than a fourth of what Uribe got last year. what’s the problem?

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 8, 2008 3:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I never said he was the best SS

from 03-07.

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by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 8, 2008 3:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+ he might be done :X

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by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 8, 2008 3:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

he's signed for a million dollars. that's twice the league min.

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by colintj on Dec 8, 2008 3:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

not a bad signing. not a great signing.

The question is, does this make them any better? NO.

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by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 8, 2008 3:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I would agree that it probably does not make them

better over 2008 . . . probably not any worse either.

by jc2313 on Dec 8, 2008 3:15 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

exactly

its a “meh” signing. AIR thier offense wasn’t lighting the league on fire either… (as i recall)

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

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by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 8, 2008 3:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't say we had a better offense than them.

They did most of that damage when they were completely out of it.

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bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

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by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 8, 2008 3:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

what have they done to make me believe otherwise?

Healthy Granderson back + Everett but minus Ivan. WHERE IS PHIL ROGERS WHEN YOU NEED HIM!

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by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 8, 2008 3:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

is it a done deal?

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by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 8, 2008 3:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That makes Everett about a +1 to +1.5 win player. He got $1 million, which is what teams pay for bad utility players who belong in Triple-A. This is a pretty massive steal for the Tigers, and along with the Gerald Laird trade earlier today, they’ve added something like three wins to their roster in 12 hours and spent a grand total of about $4 million to do so.

Heck of a day for Dave Dombrowski.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/tigers-sign-adam-everett

 

a-rod is a traitor.

by larry on Dec 8, 2008 3:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

we shall see how this turns out...

a million dollars is a lot for a month or 2 of healthy everett. Laird is a good pick up though.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

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by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 8, 2008 3:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

well GREAT for the TIGERS

I might go trade in my sox gear for some tiger gear!

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

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by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 8, 2008 3:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

if he's actually worth 1-1.5 wins

or, in other words, $5M-7.5M or so, then, no, $1M isn’t a lot. it’s actually spot on.

a-rod is a traitor.

by larry on Dec 8, 2008 3:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Isn't that why the stat called "error" is recorded?

Way to go danks

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by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 8, 2008 3:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

ostensibly.

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by colintj on Dec 8, 2008 3:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

o'cab does

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by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 8, 2008 3:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i'm pretty sure given the pitchers, weather, park factor and hitters

i could guess which would be more low scoring.

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by colintj on Dec 8, 2008 3:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Dye-for-Bailey not dead yet?
I know GM Walt Jocketty has denied the rumors about the Reds sending young pitcher Homer Bailey to the White Sox for OF Jermaine Dye publicly, but don’t be shocked if Homer does get dealt at some point. Some folks have said there’s some truth to the Dye-for-Bailey rumor and here’s why: The Reds need a right-handed No. 3 hitter to put between the young guys (Votto and Bruce). Dye and Reds manager Dusty Baker know each other well and get along. The Reds are not sure Bailey will ever throw strikes consistently because of too much length in his arm action. That also might keep him from finding consistency with his breaking ball. Add into the mix that there’s pressure from Reds ownership on Jocketty to make something happen and it’s possible this isn’t done yet on the Reds end.

As for the White Sox, they have developed a bit of a track record in young arm “reclamation projects.” Gavin Floyd is the most obvious and recent example, a guy who struggled with his original organization (the Phillies), but clicked once he had a change of scenery. Bailey’s raw stuff is still outstanding and if another organization — White Sox or otherwise — feels they can help him harness it, it might be a worthwhile gamble.

— Jonathan Mayo

http://hotstove.mlblogs.com/archives/2008/12/dyeforbailey_not_dead_yet.html

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Dec 8, 2008 2:54 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

"The Reds are not sure Bailey will ever throw strikes consistently because of too much length in his arm action. That also might keep him from finding consistency with his breaking ball"

So why do we want this guy?

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

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by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 8, 2008 2:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

from what very limited info i have, he changed something that was working in '07

pretty drastically in ’08

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by colintj on Dec 8, 2008 2:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

which means he is hurt...

or a “coop project”. Great.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

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by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 8, 2008 3:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

we would have 6 years to work with.

and we need to get 1 year’s worth of the 2-3WAR JD would have been. and at a fraction of the cost.

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by colintj on Dec 8, 2008 3:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

id love it.

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Dec 8, 2008 3:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Cooper

I tried using Jim’s excellent search link (google), but couldn’t find it myself. Anyone have a link to pitching coach salaries? Seems we rely pretty heavily on the guy to develop these projects, I just was wondering how his salary compares.

by Grinder in Training on Dec 8, 2008 3:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I understand the contractual side but,

does it have to be this guy? IIRC he was one of their highest touted prospects going into last year correct? I am just fearful that he is injured and turns into 6 years of Mark Prior.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 8, 2008 3:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

as opposed to whom?

scarcity is a property of this market, sir.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 8, 2008 3:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

does anybody know jon daniels' cell?

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by colintj on Dec 8, 2008 3:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ian kinsler... I like :)

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

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by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 8, 2008 3:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think this is exactly the kind of guy you want

for Dye . . . if you are going the prospect/rebuilding route. Not sure what else you could ask for actually.

by jc2313 on Dec 8, 2008 3:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

not if he has a torn labrum.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 8, 2008 3:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Using the assumption that the Sox will have no medical

background/information on him before completing the trade . . . it still very well could work out as he would have 5 years left and if he returned to ‘pre-injury’ form . . . that could be 4 or 5 good years. However, the assumption used in this circumstance makes little sense.

by jc2313 on Dec 8, 2008 3:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well teams have snuck injuries past other teams in the past. ALA Sirotka, Garcia, etc...

I would make sure we aren’t trading for damaged goods. Although if he needs surgery he would probably be useful for roughly 4 years.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 8, 2008 3:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hope you're in the burbs, WTGTD.

Mostly sub 4 story buildings. Might break a leg. Don’t dive.

"I am not going out like SSH. "
by WTGTD, 12/3/08

by ballyb on Dec 8, 2008 3:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

and is overly rusty...

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

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by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 8, 2008 3:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

why do you have a picture of that god forsaken eyesore?

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

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by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 8, 2008 3:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

why does anyone have a picture of this building???

Way to go danks

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by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 8, 2008 3:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

FU

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

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by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 8, 2008 3:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I thought the KKK was?

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

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by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 8, 2008 3:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

considering that's not a building

doesn’t really count. also the fact that that was a long ass time ago factors in too.

sit*

by U-God on Dec 8, 2008 3:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

isn't that the building where they hold their rallies?

cause it’s white.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

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by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 8, 2008 3:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

calm down colin...

Im from the Brook son! Pfield is just where I lay my head, not my pride.

Way to go danks

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by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 8, 2008 3:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

how do you like the new common cd?

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by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 8, 2008 3:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

6% annual

Way to go danks

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by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

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M's signed Shelton
10:39 a.m.: The Mariners have signed first baseman Chris Shelton to a minor league deal. This is one of those low-risk, potentially high upside moves. Shelton posted a slugging percentage of .510 and .466 with the Detroit Tigers in 2005 and 2006 with Detroit over 388 and 373 at-bats respectively. He posted an .801 on-base-plus slugging percentage (OPS) with Class AAA Toledo after that, then a .979 OPS in 256 at-bats in AAA last season. Shelton also had 97 ABs with Texas last season, posting a not-so-good .663 OPS. But that’s a limited sampling.

Shelton’s minor league totals scream of potential upside, including a career .401 on-base percentage. The trouble he’s had is adjusting to major league pitching and converting those stats into meaningful major league totals. He got off to a great start with Detroit in 2006, but the “once around” syndrome appears to have caught up to him. We’ll see what the m’s think. Obviously, they suspect there might be a chance he’ll turn things around. Shelton should get a shot at the first base or DH job, despite being a righthanded bat. This team needs power and Shelton is a source of power when he’s on. Nothing wrong with creating a little competition. Or providing a platoon partner at first base with Russell Branyan, as some of you have mentioned.

http://blog.seattletimes.nwsource.com/mariners/2008/12/08/let_the_dealing_begin.html

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Dec 8, 2008 3:05 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

the mariners just got a whole lot uglier

his head is like sputnik!

How much is that Uribe in the window?

by thecip on Dec 8, 2008 3:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

babe

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by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

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goldstein
Q: Kevin, 
in regard to the Rangers being unable to produce good Major League pitchers, do you think that it would be a good idea for the organization to start teaching a featured pitch (such as the White Sox do with the cutter, thus making John Danks the pitcher he is today)? It would seem that if we told all of our young pitchers that they were going to develop a reliable change-up, it would improve their chances of reaching the majors and being successful. Not to mention that throwing the change-up instead of the slider would put a lot less strain on their arms. Do you know if the Rangers are currently doing this or have any plans to?

- Jeromy

Goldstein: You can’t have a feature pitch because there is no one pitch that every player can throw. When you get a young kid, you get them to focus on a single breaking ball; you have them throw a curveball or a slider instead of throwing both. That way, they can focus on one and make it a really good pitch. They don’t make that decision by flipping a coin. You look at the kid and you look at his mechanics and his arm action and where his release point is, and based on those factors you can say that he would be better throwing a curveball, or he would be better off throwing a slider. If you make your organizational pitch a slider, well, there are plenty of kids that shouldn’t be throwing a slider because they just can’t throw a slider. This goes back to the cookie-cutter mentality. I think that is one thing that the Rangers don’t do. Every player they have is treated differently based on that player — based on ability and make-up.

http://mvn.com/baseballtimeinarlington/2008/12/kevin-goldstein-qa-part-ii.html

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Dec 8, 2008 3:11 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

good answer.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 8, 2008 3:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd argue that the Jays with the cutter are a more appropriate example

Who’s thrown a cutter on the Sox since ‘00? Buerhle, Loaiza and Danks. That’s about it. Granted Coop gets some credit for all of them, but I’d hardly call it an organizational thing.

The Jays had more guys in their rotation this year throwing a cutter than the Sox have had this decade.

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Dec 8, 2008 3:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yup.

a-rod is a traitor.

by larry on Dec 8, 2008 3:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

to expand, as goldstein sort of mentions, danks was the type of pitcher who would benefit (and obviously has benefitted) from the cutter.

you can’t just say, as the joke on here seems to be, teach whomever a cut fastball and it will work.

a-rod is a traitor.

by larry on Dec 8, 2008 3:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i'll teach you a cutter!

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Dec 9, 2008 1:32 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

kenny turns 1 dollar to 20
A deft magician entertains some new acquaintances with card and other sleight-of-hand tricks by the front desk. The engaging young man is Jason Latimer, a renowned illusionist who happens to be represented by agent Dennis Gilbert.

Gilbert, a top players’ agent in a former life, now is a member of the Chicago White Sox front office as a special assistant to chairman Jerry Reinsdorf.

Gilbert’s dual-capacity appearance here, of course, ideally captures the transcendental nature of these Meetings, which could benefit greatly from Latimer’s influence.

Not so much because of Latimer’s ability to turn one-dollar bills into 20s … although that would certainly be a welcome way to stretch budgets.

But because of the teaser printed on his business card: “Impossible Is Merely An Opinion.”

A valuable mantra for baseball’s architects to chant for the next few days.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081208&content_id=3705913&vkey=hotstove2008&fext=.jsp

expect him to go after cc and tex now!

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Dec 8, 2008 3:16 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

kenny's vast network of bothan spies grows by the day!

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Dec 8, 2008 3:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

we need a wookie DH

How much is that Uribe in the window?

by thecip on Dec 8, 2008 3:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

we use magic to give ourselves an edge over the rest of baseball..?

WHY HAVEN’T WE THOUGHT OF THIS BEFORE NOW

Thank you,
these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.

by Jbasic89 on Dec 8, 2008 8:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Teams inquire on d. cabrera

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/12/teams-intereste.html

could we be in on this?

"KenWO
no point in arguing with people who are blinded from reality..."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 29, 2008 6:49 PM

by Illini0509 on Dec 8, 2008 3:32 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Hawk drools over this guy,

so yeah he is probably on Kenny’s 3 year board.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 8, 2008 3:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes... but

the price will be higher than MLBTR is speculating — Cabrera can still be traded after he is tendered a contract offer, and the Orioles aren’t going to want to lose him for nothing.

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Dec 8, 2008 3:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Roberts and DCab for

Thome and Getz! KW I can play fantasy baseball with the best of em!

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 8, 2008 3:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+ nick marquez

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 8, 2008 3:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

harry you know I am terrible with names.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 8, 2008 3:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

and jeff swisher.

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Dec 8, 2008 3:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

that name has a ring to it...

Rec!

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 8, 2008 3:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

viciedo
Torres again insisted that if Viciedo does not make the club out of spring training, expect a call-up before the All-Star Game because "this kid is something special.’

http://blogs.suntimes.com/whitesox/2008/12/winter_meeting_day_1_news.html
 

Viciedo is a longshot to make the opening day roster, but his hitting ability could force the issue if Josh Fields doesn’t perform to the Sox’s standards.


Several scouts believe Viciedo is likely to end up at first base, but Paul Konerko currently occupies that position and Jim Thome is under contract as the designated hitter for 2009.

http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2008/12/guillen-viciedo.html

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Dec 8, 2008 5:47 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Newsflash!

Dayan Viciedo’s agent says that Dayan Viciedo is good! Also, sun rose in east today.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Dec 8, 2008 7:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You've never heard of "reloading" the sale?

i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.

by winningugly on Dec 8, 2008 7:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

probably because it doesn't mean anything

Thank you,
these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.

by Jbasic89 on Dec 8, 2008 8:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It means once you have sold your client

you go back for more, while they are in a buying mood. Perhaps DV has a younger brother – like the Danks clan…?

i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.

by winningugly on Dec 8, 2008 8:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Dying to hear about Dye
By Hal McCoy | Monday, December 8, 2008, 04:23 PM

So far, on this chilly Monday afternoon in Dayton, there has been no confirmation or announcement on the trade of pitcher Homer Bailey to the Chicago White Sox (with a couple of minor-leaguers tossed in) for outfielder Jermaine Dye.

Let’s hope there hasn’t been a snag in the deal. My source, reliable and an insider with the White Sox, says there is a deal in place. Or was.

http://www.daytondailynews.com/o/content/shared-gen/blogs/dayton/cincinnatireds/entries/2008/12/08/dying_to_hear_about_dye.html

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Dec 8, 2008 5:55 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

This guy is believing his own BULLSHIT!

HAHA.

Way to go danks

bitch can’t throw more than 130 innings a season? Trade him. He has no balls

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Where Triples Go to Die on Dec 8, 2008 6:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Derrick Rose injured. You gotta hear how.
Derrick Rose wore a large gauze bandage on his left forearm and a
sheepish smile on his face.

Rose missed Monday’s practice after he needed 10 stitches to close a
gash suffered when he said he rolled onto a knife while eating an apple
in bed.

“It was a silly incident,” Rose said. "I was cutting up some food and I
laid on a knife getting lazy in bed. I went to go get a bottle of
water, came back, forgot the knife was there, then sat down and sliced
my arm.

http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/fullcourtpress/2008/12/rose-injured.html
http://deadspin.com/5104510/derrick-rose-injured-in-freak-apple-peeling-incident

phew…

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Dec 8, 2008 6:17 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

i had a dream today during a nap

and derrick rose broke his ankle…. i woke up so scared and was so relieved when i realized it was a dream…

Thank you,
these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.

by Jbasic89 on Dec 8, 2008 8:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

don't shoot the messenger!

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Dec 9, 2008 1:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Dusty on JD
“That was a couple of weeks that they talked,” Baker said. "I thought those talks were kind of off because of economics and because everybody wants your young players, which we’re trying to groom and keep.

"Were we interested in Jermaine Dye? Most definitely. It’s just a matter of how much it’s going to cost the team. The economics ‑‑ whether you want to face it or not, economics is a big issue, and not only in baseball, but in the world.

“And he’s just not Patterson-y enough, you know what I mean?”

http://hotstove.mlblogs.com/archives/2008/12/dusty_on_dye.html

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Dec 8, 2008 6:52 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

"whether you want to face it or not, economics is a big issue, and not only in baseball, but in the world."

that is such a great fucking quote. dusty baker has gotta be one of the 5 dumbest men in baseball. i mean, that guy is a fucking idiot.

Cashing checks and having sex.

by MarketMaker on Dec 9, 2008 1:37 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, without clicking the article

I am really assuming/hoping you made up that last sentence.

by JoeCoolMan24 on Dec 8, 2008 7:25 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Gotta love

Having some lady hit your car on the way home… drivers side none the less. Could have been way worse

by 815Sox on Dec 8, 2008 7:30 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Were you in it at the time?

i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.

by winningugly on Dec 8, 2008 7:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yup

its icy as hell in Rockford… she slid right into me…

perfect capper to my day which included one of my foster parents running off into hiding with her 4 grandchildren who are in foster care.. (I am a Social Worker just so people do not misunderstand what I am saying)

by 815Sox on Dec 8, 2008 7:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

nope

a 92 Camry.. into my brand new 2009 Dodge Caliber

by 815Sox on Dec 8, 2008 7:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Its all good

shit happens, I was calm about it. She seems legit… just an older lady. The damage is not too bad, I also mentioned that I used to work at the DMV and would be able to look up her information if there was any problems.

by 815Sox on Dec 8, 2008 8:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Calibers are badass

Thank you,
these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.

by Jbasic89 on Dec 8, 2008 8:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, if you like cock!

Swish!

I don't need to look at fancy stats

to see if a guy is good or not. You might have to.

by Where Triples Go to Die on Nov 30, 2008 4:16 PM CST

by omnipotent grab on Dec 8, 2008 8:48 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd

Thank you,
these bumblefucks think the Sox are going to trade Dye. I said I would cancel my membership on here in martyrdom of Dye being traded.

by Jbasic89 on Dec 8, 2008 9:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ba Dum Chish

I really like the car… it was pretty cheap. Plus its made 20 minutes away from my house

by 815Sox on Dec 9, 2008 11:40 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I remember your gig - you and dantesox are saving the goddamn world.

Been there. (Never had Obama’s help, though, so I may have to give it another shot…)

i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.

by winningugly on Dec 8, 2008 7:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ehh its a job

Not trying to save the world, you will become jaded really quickly if you go into the field with that attitude..

but what other job will allow you to witness a schizophrenic lady scream “MY KIDS ARE DYING” within 2 minutes of being in a courtroom? Especially one that is in regards to her parenting ability? The best part about it is considering you saw this lady through a bucket of spaghetti all over the room 3 weeks earlier..

Needless to say I will not be doing this for the rest of my life..

by 815Sox on Dec 8, 2008 8:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow - do you know my mother? Or my sister?

:)

i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.

by winningugly on Dec 8, 2008 8:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Might've been running an errand in a store and parked it, DB.

Go back to your “cutting”, knucklehead. I wipe myself with your T-shirt.

i guess if you think a guy who is missing both testicles is healthy,
sure.

by winningugly on Dec 9, 2008 8:26 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually

last year a drunk driver ran into my old car when it was parked outside of my house

by 815Sox on Dec 9, 2008 11:41 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

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