Revisionist History 101 with professor Keith Foulke

by The Cheat on Feb 17, 2008 1:20 AM CST in Quotes

"I never considered myself a closer," Foulke said. "I've always been [just] a bullpen guy. Sometimes pitching in the seventh inning is more valuable than pitching in the ninth."

That's exactly how I remember it too, Keith.

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The Chicago Tribune and the San Francisco Chronicle are both reporting that Crede-for-Lowry deal will more than likely be Crede-for-prospect(s), with Lowry staying in SF.

The Giants have a very young (2nd youngest Top 10 according to Baseball America), very raw farm system bolstered by a nice international signing (Angel Villalona) and 6 of the first 51 picks in the 2007 draft (a number of whom received over-slot bonuses). For comparisons sake, the White Sox have had a total 6 picks in the top 100 of the last three first-year player drafts, with zero over-slot bonuses.

While I'm pretty sure the the Giants won't trade any of their four 2007 first rounders, a Crede trade would be a nice way for the Sox to bring in some young talent into the organization. Both Wendell Fairley and Nick Noonan are the type multi-dimensional high-upside (position) players around whom the Sox 2007 draft was supposed to be built. Now is Kenny's chance to make up for the mistakes of last year's draft.

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according to Gonzo today

Crede looked "good" in his 1st workout, but gave no details on what "good" means. The rest of the article is usual filler with no real news. Crede is resigned to whatever...
I still think the Mar. 15 game against the Cuba is his last with the Sox.

Next time, Bhoov, do some research.

by Chiburb on Feb 17, 2008 5:46 AM CST reply actions

Everyone cried about getting Lowry in return...

for Crede. We are likely going to end up with a couple B- prospects who will never even play in the majors.

by SSH2005 on Feb 17, 2008 7:29 AM CST reply actions

As I said at the time

If they are positional prospects I have no problem with that.

Folks have more or less convinced me on Lowry. I see upside but he is probably not worth the risk. Is the verdict that Brad Hennessey a pipe dream?

"There is not a liberal America and a conservative America. There is the United States of America."

by Tdogg on Feb 17, 2008 8:55 AM CST up reply actions

Crede or Konerko?

Anyone have an opinion of Crede staying put at 3B and getting the extension while Fields goes to first. Trade Konerko and Uribe to a team. Maybe the O's because there is interest for Uribe and a possible 1B. While Konerko clogs bases and we wait for his bat to get hot for months, Crede goes to SF for prospects meaning a waste other than healing the farm system.

If WS are in for win now, I think this helps. Get your prospects with Uribe and Konerko, or even a SP.

Just wanted to get your thoughts and I'll hang up and listen

"I have no idea of what the rotation might be, ... Ask me tomorrow."

by rangerjae on Feb 17, 2008 8:53 AM CST reply actions

so we should be hoping for a PTBNL?

i really don't see what value Lowry has for us, so I'm glad he's off the table.

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Feb 17, 2008 11:31 AM CST reply actions

cowley up to his old tricks

"And even with the California-born Garland back in his element of skateboards and surfers..."

http://blogs.suntimes.com/whitesox/2008/02/where_the_deer_and_antelope_pl.html#more

by larry on Feb 17, 2008 11:39 AM CST reply actions

I like it.

It would be incredibly difficult for me to get excited about someone who had a K/BB rate of 1. To me Lowry in the AL and the cell is no better than Floyd/Egbert/etc. I'd much rather have a couple of cheap high upside low minor players. Or even 1 of those for Crede.

by bhoov on Feb 17, 2008 11:43 AM CST reply actions

yeah

lowry looks like a dime a dozen sort of pitcher, especially when you consider his injury concerns. that would be fine if the sox were struggling for pitching help but they really aren't - at least not at the level lowry offers. it'd be nice to have a couple B position prospects added to the system.

by larry on Feb 17, 2008 11:56 AM CST up reply actions

If Lowry can stay healthy...

He can maybe be a 4th, 5th starter in the AL... maybe as high as a 3rd starter in the NL... but that makes him redundant on this team where we already have a plethora of 4th, 5th starters.

I'd not take Lowry for much of anything. Certainly not for Crede, a gold-glove caliber third baseman that can offer some decent pop, great contact, and decent batting average.

If Crede must go to the Giants, I too hope we get some position prospects.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Feb 17, 2008 1:46 PM CST up reply actions

will we get a couple B prospects for crede?

that would be nice but is it realistic?

by The Wizard on Feb 17, 2008 2:22 PM CST up reply actions

Because of the rawness of their B prospects,

possibly realistic. A couple of them have not seen one inning of professional baseball yet. Spring training has a tendency for making hitters look really good, so if Crede truly is healthy then who knows.

by 3E8 on Feb 17, 2008 2:40 PM CST up reply actions

what does B mean to you?

i'd imagine two minor leaguers with decent upside could be had.

by larry on Feb 17, 2008 3:00 PM CST up reply actions

crede or konerko

I have no problem trading pk instead of crede. Lets not forget how lucky we are that we had good paulie in oct 2005 not bad, hang your head after another pop up paulie. he goes on such long cold steaks I no longer thnk he's worth $15m. Let Fields paly first. w/o crede at third have we really improved out if defense with orlando?

by spadog on Feb 17, 2008 1:15 PM CST reply actions

He isn't worth 15 million

And thats why the Sox pay him 12 a season.

by Tony82087 on Feb 17, 2008 1:48 PM CST up reply actions

in your scenario...

i'd have to choose konerko and fields' bats over crede's and fields'.

Konerko's OPS+ since 2004:
127
136
134
116

Crede's since 2004:
83
96
107
49

Konerko is fantastically consistent and is still in his peak power years. Don't worry about the money thing. It's not yours.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Feb 17, 2008 1:54 PM CST up reply actions

Why would we..

trade konerko and stick fields at 1B? If anything we would trade PK and put Swish at 1B, a more favorable position for him.

I can see Kenny GM holding onto Crede until something formidable comes along. We are in a great position cause we have the freedom to do what we please with Crede. The only ones who would suffer is him and Fields, but screw Crede he's gone after this yr anyhow. I hope Fields takes the starter spot in ST

by oldComiskey91 on Feb 17, 2008 4:14 PM CST up reply actions

Daytona...

Chubby Checker can still do the twist!

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Feb 17, 2008 2:02 PM CST reply actions

haha look at those jeans

things are painted on!

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Feb 17, 2008 2:03 PM CST up reply actions

oh my god...

not michael mcdonald!

David: Hey, Paula.

Paula: Yeah?

David: I gotta tell you something. I'm really excited about it. Uh, for the first time, today, I woke up, I came to the store, and I - I feel confident to say to you that if you don't take this Michael McDonald DVD - that you've been playing for two years straight - off, I'm going to kill everyone in the store and put a bullet in my brain!

Paula: David, what do you suggest we play?

David: I don't care. Anything! I would rather - I would rather watch "Beautician And The Beast". I would rather listen to Fran Drescher for eight hours than have to listen to Michael McDonald. Nothin' against him, but if I hear "Yah Mo B There" one more time, "Yah Mo" burn this place to the ground.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Feb 17, 2008 2:07 PM CST up reply actions

wrong site

by larry on Feb 17, 2008 2:07 PM CST up reply actions

for NASCAR talk?

heh. there are NASCAR fans outside the south, you know.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Feb 17, 2008 2:20 PM CST up reply actions

maybe

but i'm thinking not on here.

by larry on Feb 17, 2008 2:59 PM CST up reply actions

btw, Sickel's SF Giants Top 20 Prospects for 2008

[minorleagueball]:

   1. Angel Villalona, 3B, Grade B+
   2. Henry Sosa, RHP, Grade B
   3. Tim Alderson, RHP, Grade B
   4. Madison Bumgarner, LHP, Grade B- (lack of breaking ball is a caution flag for me)
   5. Nate Schierholtz, OF, Grade B-
   6. Nick Noonan, 2B, Grade B-
   7. Clayton Tanner, LHP, Grade B-
   8. Eugenio Velez, UT, Grade B- (I probably like him more than I should but he is fun to watch)
   9. Wendell Fairley, OF, Grade C+ (Grade A tools, Grade D refinement, very risky but possible
high reward)
  10. John Bowker, OF, Grade C+ (sleeper bat)
  11. Charlie Culberson, INF, Grade C+
  12. Osiris Matos, RHP, Grade C+
  13. Wilber Bucardo, RHP, Grade C+
  14. Jose Capellan, LHP, Grade C+
  15. Sergio Romo, RHP, Grade C+
  16. Travis Denker, 2B, Grade C+
  17. Emmanuel Burriss, SS, Grade C (I have massive doubts about his bat)
  18. Nick Pereira, RHP, Grade C
  19. Ben Copeland, OF, Grade C
  20. Benjamin Snider, LHP, Grade C

Other guys include Adam Cowart, Andy D'Allessio, Justin Hedrick, Travis Ishikawa, Joseph Martinez, Pat Misch, Paul Oseguera, Danny Otero, Kelvin Pichardo, Kevin Pucetas, Pablo Sandoval, Clay Timpner, Juan Trinidad, and Jackson Williams.

This system has improved. I have to admit I have a lot of doubts about Fairley, who has tools galore but is very unrefined. I'm not sure that the Giants have a very good track record recent helping players like him develop, and he could easily flame out in A-ball. We will see.

by The Wizard on Feb 17, 2008 2:36 PM CST reply actions