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The 5 things I'm looking forward to this spring training

March 3rd

As far as I'm concerned, the March 3rd broadcast against the Royals on CSN is the official start of spring training. I've grown so spoiled by Comcast's coverage of the spring games that the only real excitement I feel prior to being able to see some game action, no matter how poor the play may be, is searching the internet for pictures of game action; and if I get really desperate (as I am now) it's pictures of practice, not even full-squad practice. Man, I am jonesing for some real live baseball.

I suppose it's a bit ironic that spring training doesn't start for me until I can actually see it in action. I mean I write about the White Sox, yet reading about bullpen sessions and towel drills just doesn't do it for me. So while pitchers and catcher reporting, the first full-squad practice, or the first spring game prompts countdown clocks on other sites, I've got March 3rd circled on my calendar.

Alexei Ramirez

Within hours of receiving word that he had filed for residency in the Dominican Republic, I was wondering what it would take to get Alexei Ramirez on the south side, and if we wanted him at all. Six months later, we know how much it took to get him in black, but that's about it. What we knew about Ramirez back then, just hours after learning his name, is essentially all that we know about him now. He's added 14 lackluster at-bats in the Dominican Winter League, but that's hardly enough to form an opinion.

Ramirez could burst on the scene and emerge as the starting second baseman, or even the starting center fielder, respectively rendering the Cunningham and Carer trades unneeded. He could be a valuable super-utility guy, allowing the Sox trim almost $10M off the roster in the form of Joe Crede, Juan Uribe, and the soon-to-be completely useless Pablo Ozuna. He could show lots of promise, but still need some seasoning in the minors to work on some thing, or he could be a washout who pulled himself from the DWL for fear that more at-bats would expose him as a career minor leaguer.

I think Ramirez is more like to fall into one of the latter categories, but the complete unknown, the possibility for anything is not something you often see in spring training. Ramirez is easily the player I'm most eager to see in action.

John Danks and Gavin Floyd better be ready in spring training. Broadway and Egbert are right there, pushing them for a rotation spot.

The 6th Starter Battle

When Lance Broadway took the mound for his first major league start, I was more concerned about watching the latest episode of The Office than watching the Sox march their way to a higher (lower?) draft pick. After reading some positive initial reports in the gamethread, however, I made sure to watch the replay on Comcast. Broadway doesn't have stuff that will blow you away, and his numbers from Charlotte last season don't inspire much confidence, but the September addition of a cutter, and his improved peripherals in the second half are enough to swing me back into the viable 5th starter camp.

Jack Egbert went from me calling him an organizational player in 2006 to underrated top-10 prospect by the end of that season to no-longer underrated top prospect this season. Like Broadway, he's not going to dazzle you with his stuff, but he should have enough to get hitters out, with a plus sinker that can occasionally climb above 90, a plus changeup, and a bit of hitch in his delivery. ZiPS and PECOTA project him to be the Sox 3rd or 4th best starting pitcher, even though he figures to spend the year in Charlotte.

Nick Massett says he's in camp to earn a spot in the White Sox starting 5. We're amused. Prove us wrong, Nick. Prove us wrong.

I don't expect any of these players to make the club, but between Egbert and Broadway, I think the Sox have a pitcher who should pitch well enough to allow Ozzie and Kenny to have a quick leash should any of the back-end starters falter in April. Add in the overconfident Masset and the always unpredictable knuckleballer Charlie Haeger, and you've got enough candidates to almost expect a surprise breakout. I know I am.

Carlos Quentin

In his community projection thread -- polls open until mid-day Wednesday. Log your projection here -- I opined that as go Carlos Quentin, so go the White Sox. If Quentin is able to become a plus-defensive doubles machine with an above average OBP, the White Sox offense will take a huge leap forward. In the last two seasons, the Sox have had just one outfielder-season of both above-average OBP and and average slugging. Nick Swisher should easily fill this category, and Jermaine Dye will provide slugging if not OBP. Should Quentin show the promise that made him a top 25 prospect, the Sox will have their most potent offensive outfield in years, perhaps ever.

The Joe Crede trade

There hasn't been a more telegraphed trade during Kenny Williams' tenure as White Sox GM. We all know it's going to happen. Joe Crede knows it's going to happen. The San Francisco Giants know it's going to happen. As long as Joe Crede demonstrates the ability to make it through the first two weeks of spring training, he's going to be shipped out to the highest bidder, presumably San Francisco.

I've never really been someone who likes to spend too much time speculating about possible trades. Too many of them have such little chance of happening that it's almost fruitless to speculate. And that's what makes the Crede trade fun. We know it's gonna happen, and we pretty much know where he's headed. Now we can speculate willy-nilly about possible return.

The only thing more fun (for me) than speculating about a would-be trade is writing about one that actually happened. For that reason, and that reason alone, I can't wait for Crede to finally be dealt. It's not every spring training that you get to write about a significant player being traded.

How about you?

What are you looking forward to this spring? Did I miss something? Anyone taking a trip to Tucson?

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Crede trade
As far as Kenny williams and telegraphed trades go, I remember reading a lot about the freddy garcia trade before it happened. But that was for someone else's player, so it might not apply.

by boyonthedock on Feb 19, 2008 3:12 AM CST   0 recs

Gavin Floyd
He showed some signs last year of being able to be a decent starter.  We know he's got the tools to be a competent major league starter, but will he put it all together.  The bullpen experience for him was terrible last year, so if hes not a starter here (and hes out of options), i cant see him sticking around in the bullpen for too long.
12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Feb 19, 2008 7:18 AM CST   0 recs

Ozzie on Floyd
''Outstanding,'' Guillen said of Floyd's session. ''There's one thing about Gavin Floyd: The problem was not the stuff he has. The problem was he didn't have any confidence. But if this kid comes around and has confidence he can pitch on this level, I don't see why he can't be a real good one -- not just a third or fourth guy. He has the stuff to be a No. 2 or No. 1 guy.''

we heard this when they acquired Floyd after scouting him in the AFL, but can he actually take the step from being a good AAA starter to a big leaguer?

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Feb 19, 2008 8:05 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Gavin.... an ace?
On the Rangers or Royals... maybe... but even that's a stretch.

I just don't see it. I mean, I didn't see it last year. A 1-2 starter has to be able to at times, dominate a lineup. Not every start, but just once in a while. Floyd seems to me to be like Haeger, Russel, Masset, et al... a back of rotation/long man. A league-average to just better than league-average innings eater. That has value, of course, but the club only needs one, maybe two of those guys... not 4, 5.

I hope I'm wrong, obviously, but I wouldn't bet on it.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Feb 19, 2008 9:44 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

ozzie said he had the stuff to be an ace
i don't think there are many who would dispute that statement. largely because such a statement means pretty much nada.

by larry on Feb 19, 2008 9:52 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Floyd
It really is a shame he hasn't put it together, when you watch the guy warming up in the bullpen or in a game in AAA, he just looks beyond nasty.  My parents live near Charlotte so I was able to see him pitch in the minors a couple times, and I've never seen a guy with more movement.  It just really isn't there once he got to the big leagues, I don't know what it is.  

Could just be something as simple as he isn't confident enough in his pitches and he is aiming, or just fear, whatever it may be.  
The guy does have the pitches, just don't know if he will ever have the make up of a guy who can shut down teams regularly.

by Grinder in Training on Feb 19, 2008 10:43 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

out of options?
... we could possibly flip him for somebody in another org in the same situation... kinda like the Thornton for Borchard trade a couple of years ago.

by ruffster on Feb 19, 2008 10:40 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

I think you rounded all the bases, Cheat
Good job.
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Feb 19, 2008 9:45 AM CST   0 recs

I'm leaving on Saturday for Tucson...
Be there for a week. I will be sure to give my report. :)

by Tony82087 on Feb 19, 2008 10:33 AM CST   0 recs

We're in the homestretch Cheat...
Hang in there.
I'll hang up and listen to your answer.

by Hazymania on Feb 19, 2008 10:35 AM CST   0 recs

I'll be in Tucson
for a few games in mid-March, one against the Cubs. Hopefully I'll get a glimpse of Fukudome.

Also, I'm excited about Floyd. I think he's got impressive stuff, and if he puts it all together, he'll be a mid-rotation guy. I may be wrong, of course, but here's to hoping.

by HulkSmash on Feb 19, 2008 10:37 AM CST   0 recs

Add another one to the list
I'll be there for the first five games.

by Sox Machine on Feb 19, 2008 10:50 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Jim
I know last season you went to a few of the games on the 'back fields'. I have been there the last 3 years, and thats something we haven't done. Any tips?

by Tony82087 on Feb 19, 2008 10:54 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Actually
I've never gone to a game on the back field -- I've just seen morning practices there.  Watch some BP, get an idea of what prospects look like, etc.

I have been to a B game, which aren't scheduled until later, sometimes during the season.  It's good to ask employees of the stadium if they know of any, because they're not always announced in advance.

by Sox Machine on Feb 19, 2008 2:51 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

sickels' all questions answered thread
let's try to get as many sox young player/prospect questions in before the 2pm deadline:

http://www.minorleagueball.com/story/2008/2/19/12491/7270#commenttop

by larry on Feb 19, 2008 11:58 AM CST   0 recs

sickels' quentin projection
If healthy, I'd say something like .270/.340/.460.

by larry on Feb 19, 2008 1:53 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Marrioti
Wow, any of you see the article from Marrioti this morning??  Basically calls Ozzie no better than Terry Bevington and also calls him an as*hole.

Wow.  How is this guy still employed in Chicago??

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/mariotti/800843,mariotti021908.article

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Feb 19, 2008 1:08 PM CST   0 recs

Who, Ozzie?
Sometimes I wonder too...
Next time, Bhoov, do some research.

by Chiburb on Feb 19, 2008 1:12 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Oh btw...
Sometimes it's best not to provide a link to certain places.  Why help his hit count?
Next time, Bhoov, do some research.

by Chiburb on Feb 19, 2008 1:13 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Pot, Kettle, Black???
"So why pay any attention to him? He's nothing but a megalomaniac driven by how much we talk and write about him, which tends to trivialize the more important mission of inspiring the Sox toward some state of contention in the game's most difficult division. I mean, have you ever sat back and absorbed what comes out of Guillen's mouth? It isn't funny. It's mindless."

Wow Jay

by Tony82087 on Feb 19, 2008 1:15 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I know Jay
has it out for Ozzie ever since 2006, but I think he may have lost his mind on this one.  He called him out personally, something Ozzie did and got reprimanded for.  

So, do you think Jay is even allowed in the press box after this one?  He called out the whole organization - Jerry, Kenny and Ozzie.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Feb 19, 2008 1:21 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Press box?
I wonder if Mariotti remembers the last time he's seen it.

I don't even bother glancing at the headlines.  This is every column:

In a city like SQUUUUAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWK!  SQUAWWWWWWWWWK!

(flapping wings wildly)

SQUAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWK!  SQUAWK!  SQUAWWWWWK!

Repeat for 20 inches or so.

by Sox Machine on Feb 19, 2008 2:56 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Well said
I fondly remember Jay suggesting the Sox would not win another game in 05 right before they went on the  16-1 run to end it. He's like Max Mercy from The Natural but without the redeeming qualities..

by hitlesswonder on Feb 19, 2008 4:00 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Well....
He gets people to talk about what he writes.

by BoKnows on Feb 19, 2008 1:26 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Wonderful.
"All this has done is put the Tigers in a better position to contend with us."

by ballyb on Feb 19, 2008 7:13 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

hahaha!
[Norman Chad]:
Q. If Andy Pettitte appears before Congress, will Roger Clemens fly in Pettitte's brother from Sicily to sabotage the testimony?

by The Wizard on Feb 19, 2008 1:36 PM CST   0 recs

HA!
Yes, godfather!
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Feb 19, 2008 1:45 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Crede
I'd miss him from the Sox, but if Fields can hold down 3rd then it's probably better to go with the younger, cheaper player.  You can't pay Joe Crede to ride the bench, so you should get what you can for him.

Joe, we'll always have 2005...

"Can I borrow your towel? I think my car just hit a water buffalo." - Fletch

by mdmnd9294 on Feb 19, 2008 2:33 PM CST   0 recs

starting rotation
[Scot Gregor]:
If Buehrle gets the ball on Opening Day, Vazquez, Danks, Contreras and Floyd would follow. If Vazquez gets the nod, Buehrle, Floyd, Contreras and Danks would follow.

by The Wizard on Feb 19, 2008 3:02 PM CST   0 recs

MB on OD
Buehrle pitched on Opening Day in '02-'06.

Overall numbers:
5 starts (1 rain-shortened)
31 2/3 IP
22 H
8 ER
8 BB
13 K
2.27 ERA.

Team went 3-2 (including the '06 rain game).

"They say that blood is thicker than water. What we have is thicker than blood."

by Toonderstrook on Feb 19, 2008 3:43 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Wow
And a .600 win % against the other teams' #1 looks good to me.

Nice stats, T.  You fast, baby.

Jeff Cox: I'm going to call you "FN".

by winningugly on Feb 19, 2008 3:50 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I bet Ozzie goes with his gut again
and has Vasquez pitch OD.
How do you fuck a nut?!

by omnipotent grab on Feb 19, 2008 3:50 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I Believe
Last year was the first year they didn't give buehrle the ball on OD since he was a starter with the Sox. This proved to be the worst game ever and would set the tone for a most horrendous season. I hope they start MB this year.

by oldComiskey91 on Feb 19, 2008 6:19 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Spring training mysteries
Ramirez is number one with me as well. I'm hoping he can hit a breaking ball and play SS well enough that OCab is let go in 2009.

I'll be interested in seeing if any of the young pitchers look decent in AZ. I guess Floyd and Masset in particular. I've been a firm doubter in both, but the positive Floyd PR is starting to get to me. The Sox really need someone not MB or JV to deliver a sub-5 ERA as a starter.

As for Masset, I'm curious how the battle between him and Wasserman plays out. That's right -- I'm interested in who the last man in the pen will be. The season needs to get here soon....  

by hitlesswonder on Feb 19, 2008 3:53 PM CST   0 recs

Report from Tucson
Linebrink looked very good--he handled every soft ground ball tapped back to the mound in the drills I saw today. I think he is worth every dime!

Other than that, anything I should look out for over the next few days until reinforcements get here?

by swsox on Feb 19, 2008 5:13 PM CST   0 recs

Floyd's mechanics and arsenal
and try to find out if Danks is working on a cutter or not.  Check out if the Count is throwing mostly overhand or not.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Feb 19, 2008 8:47 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

swisher to stay at center
[Scott Merkin]:
Ozzie Guillen explained Tuesday how Nick Swisher primarily will play center during Spring Training. Guillen also doesn't plan to move around Swisher too much in the field during the course of the regular season, even if both Owens and Quentin are getting playing time.

"It's not easy to move everywhere, especially if you're going to play every day," Guillen said. "Like I always say, you're not going to bring a Gold Glove center fielder. But he played center field before. He played center field for the Oakland A's, so why couldn't he play for us.

"To me, it's harder to play center field in Oakland than to play in Chicago. In Chicago, a ball hit over your head is a home run. In Oakland, you've got to go get it. He did a good job there and I have a lot of confidence in him."

by The Wizard on Feb 19, 2008 6:05 PM CST   0 recs

So...
if Swisher is going to stay in CF even when Owens is starting, there really is no reason to ever see Owens over Quentin in LF other than to give Quentin a day off.

by SSH2005 on Feb 19, 2008 6:16 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Huh?????????????????????
"Like I always say, you're not going to bring a Gold Glove center fielder."
"All this has done is put the Tigers in a better position to contend with us."

by ballyb on Feb 19, 2008 6:25 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

It's imperative that LF
Be played by a weak-hitting speedster who will leadoff. There is no other option.

by hitlesswonder on Feb 19, 2008 7:02 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

managers who think like that are...
like football coaches who call a timeout with 2:01 to play in the 4th quarter.
"They say that blood is thicker than water. What we have is thicker than blood."

by Toonderstrook on Feb 19, 2008 9:44 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

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