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The Torpedo Boat weighs in on the Cabrera trade

Acmilan_tiny by The Wizard on in Quotes

and he wants the 2nd base job:

"Yeah, [the Cabrera trade] was a shock, not a shock, but I heard the news and I was like, `Wait a second, they just signed me to a contract and then they made the trade,' `' Uribe said through translator/coach Omer Munoz. "But I talked to a lot of people and everything was fine after that.''

Make no mistake about it, however, Uribe wants the starting job at second.

"They don't have to worry about my attitude,'' Uribe said. "Whatever they need me to do. I've never had one problem anywhere I've been. I'm here to work hard and win that second base job. If not, whatever job they give me.''

and:
"First of all, I have no control over who the starter is,’’ Uribe said. "I’m going to do everything I can in my power to be the starting second baseman. That’s what I like to do, I like to start and be a difference-maker.’’
Can Ozzie say no? [assuming Profundo isn't traded]
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oh come on
shouldn't that be "the torpedo boat weighs in on the cabrera trade"?

punnery opportunity missed!

by thatshortkid on Feb 21, 2008 4:10 PM CST   0 recs

At least it resolves our
thin talent at second base
So instead of a big splash, there were ripples -- enough to change the tide, Williams believes

by Brush Back on Feb 21, 2008 4:15 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

outkast
AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Feb 21, 2008 5:49 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

kinda looks like Snoop Dogg
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.

by rhythm on Feb 21, 2008 6:55 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Why is Ramirez's build being compared to...
Soriano?  He looks way skinnier than Soriano to me.  Soriano is wiry but he's also muscular.  Ramirez just looks anorexic.

by SSH2005 on Feb 22, 2008 1:03 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

They are listed
as the exact same height and weight.  I think what's throwing you off is that everything he's wearing in these pics from helmet to pants is like two sizes too big.

by 3E8 on Feb 22, 2008 1:18 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Swishalicious!
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Feb 21, 2008 5:40 PM CST   0 recs

The difference
between Swisher's swagger and BA's cockiness is that .075 in batting average.
Show mercy. I get to watch the Rangers.

by Tim from Texas on Feb 22, 2008 8:49 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

pods chances
[psaunders@denverpost.com]:
Today, Hurdle spelled out what Podsednik must do to make the team.

"He's got to be able to play center field, go get the ball," Hurdle said. "He's got to put the barrel on the ball, move it around, put it on the ground, stay healthy, steal some bases."

by The Wizard on Feb 21, 2008 6:19 PM CST   0 recs

is that supposed to mean something
will that guarantee him a job or something?

by Jbasic89 on Feb 21, 2008 9:52 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Tomo Ohka...........
A flyball pitcher.  Might be entertaining to watch the Tigers take batting practice off him at THE CELL.

by stanchar on Feb 21, 2008 8:53 PM CST   0 recs

No post tonight
Ozzie and the players kept quiet on the big meeting, so the beat writers couldn't come up with anything interesting, and neither can I....

Gonzo, Gregor, and Cowley decided it would be fun to write about Uribe today, while Cabrera is amenable to a contract extension. D'oh!

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Feb 22, 2008 12:52 AM CST   0 recs

2nd base
Richar is late reporting and he's being shitlisted aleady, and it seems like someone has had a talk with Uribe and told him everything's gonna be alright - he seems awfully confident about his playing time.  This looks like last year's CF spring training "competition" redux.
"Swisher's versatility allows us to give Owens a chance to come back and show he's ready to be that sparkplug like Podsednik was a couple of years ago." - KW

by ChicagoPete on Feb 22, 2008 6:41 AM CST   0 recs

noticed the same thing
and ozzie has a boner for ozuna as well, so richar could be S.O.L.
12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Feb 22, 2008 7:17 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Guess he should show up on time then.
You would think a guy fighting for a starting job for the first time would do everything in his power to show up early, let alone just on time.   I know if I'm fighting for an MLB job I'd be there early.  

by Grinder in Training on Feb 22, 2008 7:21 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Word! No excuse Danny boy!
For a guy who didn't do all that much last year against 2 guys who perform when they needed/wanted to, you would think he would get his ass into camp early to impress people.

Why all the hating on Pablo Ozuna?  Sure his fielding skills aren't the greatest, but he is quick on the pads, and he does get on base.  

"I have no idea of what the rotation might be, ... Ask me tomorrow."

by rangerjae on Feb 22, 2008 7:38 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

wheres the hating?
just said ozzie has a boner for ozuna.
12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Feb 22, 2008 7:48 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Not specifically here
But I read a lot of Pablo bashing here and other sites.

I think Pablo gives a lot of effort.  

''If my [stuff] sells papers every day and we win, well, I want to be on the front page every day, as long as I don't rape anybody"

by rangerjae on Feb 22, 2008 8:15 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

So did Pods and Erstad...
Next time, Bhoov, do some research.

by Chiburb on Feb 22, 2008 8:58 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

But Pablo is on the team
Those two are not
''If my [stuff] sells papers every day and we win, well, I want to be on the front page every day, as long as I don't rape anybody"

by rangerjae on Feb 22, 2008 9:15 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Pablo
Secret Weapon though he be, doesn't have the skills to be a starter.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Feb 22, 2008 3:14 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I think Ozuna
Will get most of his time in LF and 3B. I think an Owens/Ozuna platoon is really pretty likely in LF. It does seem like Uribe will be starting at 2B...ugh.

by hitlesswonder on Feb 22, 2008 7:36 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

carlos quentin?
12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Feb 22, 2008 7:48 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

3B?
Wasn't that tried in '05 and Pablo wasn't up to it?  And that was the original reason for getting Rob Mack?  
Next time, Bhoov, do some research.

by Chiburb on Feb 22, 2008 8:59 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Yep...
1st and 3rd - that's why he was in center... oh the bad memories of that
So instead of a big splash, there were ripples -- enough to change the tide, Williams believes

by Brush Back on Feb 22, 2008 9:05 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Rob Mac bad bad bad
in CF
''If my [stuff] sells papers every day and we win, well, I want to be on the front page every day, as long as I don't rape anybody"

by rangerjae on Feb 22, 2008 9:41 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Why would we want Juan at 2nd?
One of the primary reasons for replacing him was his bat - moving him to 2nd only moves the issue over. To me the position should be between Pablo, Alexei and Danny. Juan should remain as the backup to 2nd, SS, and 3rd.
Unless he suddenly found out how to improve his hitting.
...Of course, when he's on, he can carry this team....
So instead of a big splash, there were ripples -- enough to change the tide, Williams believes

by Brush Back on Feb 22, 2008 8:13 AM CST   0 recs

very annoying
This org will bench a prospect in a heartbeat, but they're in love with their downsloping vets.

At least with the youngsters there's a CHANCE that they might exceed expectations.  With clowns like Erstad and Pods and Uribe, you've got a long track record so you know exactly what you're going to get.  But the Sox act in the opposite fashion - they think that half a bad season from a youngster is enough to gauge what the rest of their career will look like, but with the vets they always pray that they'll recapture magic and play like they did at their peak 3 or 4 years ago.  If Uribe starts at 2B in April, that's total bullshit.

"Swisher's versatility allows us to give Owens a chance to come back and show he's ready to be that sparkplug like Podsednik was a couple of years ago." - KW

by ChicagoPete on Feb 22, 2008 9:57 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

because juan is a worse hitter
than pablo, alexei, and danny? am i missing something here?

it's not a particularly difficult argument to make that juan uribe is the best player of that bunch, ignominious company though it may be. he's certainly the best fielder and his bat is roughly the same or better. weren't you the same people who were whining last year that the best player didn't win an open competition? now people want to change those rules to the best player who isn't older than danny richar? bullshit, eh.

at any rate, getting up in arms at this point over who you think is playing 2B based upon tea leaves reading is pretty silly. it's february 22.

by larry on Feb 22, 2008 10:10 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Once again
I am going to jump on your bandwagon here. Here we go again.... 8 zillion posts on what Ozzie is definitely going to do and who should or should not start before the team has played 1 freaking ST game.

I want Danny or Alex to win the job but it wouldnt be the worst thing in the world with a Cab-Uribe up the middle. In fact the pitching staff may love it.

"There is not a liberal America and a conservative America. There is the United States of America."

by Tdogg on Feb 22, 2008 10:25 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

people are allowed to speculate
and ozzie isnt tough to figure out.
12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Feb 22, 2008 10:32 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

it gets rather tiresome
to read the repetitious "erstad and pods will definitely be back in 2008" or "this team doesn't give young players a chance" or "i hate juan uribe" posts. we got it the first fifteen times. your venting quota has been exceeded. move on until something actually happens.

by larry on Feb 22, 2008 10:38 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

you're not telling me
my venting quota has been exceeded, are you?
12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Feb 22, 2008 10:42 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

so long as you're venting about something
that actually has a basis in fact - you know, say, something other than the "this team will pass over young players in a minute based soley upon brian anderson and blithely ignoring josh fields, john danks, jerry owens, boone logan, gavin floyd and so on.

by larry on Feb 22, 2008 10:48 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

i havent vented though
i just dont really care when other people vent about something thats been talked about, i just ignore it.
12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Feb 22, 2008 10:56 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

ignore such things long enough
and you get a comments section that is predominated by garbage like this:

http://blogs.suntimes.com/whitesox/2008/02/thome_checks_in.html#comments

the best sox offensive player definitely needs to retire. 150 OPS+ says it all. done. i've seen sites degenerate before. i'd like to keep this a place where sox fans intelligently discuss the team and baseball.

by larry on Feb 22, 2008 11:25 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

larry, or shall I say, Mr . Stalin,
I am occasioanlly weary of "paying for the same real estate twice" re: going over the same old ground, but it's like any other media - if you don't like it, turn the channel (or the other cheek).  I don't see how we would ever turn into just another blog, already.

It's supposed to be fun.

Jeff Cox: I'm going to call you "FN".

by winningugly on Feb 22, 2008 2:58 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

spend enough time on the internet
and you'll see how quickly things can get spiral out of control. cheat does a good job but informal sanctions work just as well here as in real life.

and the problem with "changing the channel" is that there isn't another channel - at least not that i've found - where one can discuss white sox baseball with other intelligent and informed fans without lots of schlock interspersed. i'm not particularly interested in wading through the same unimaginative screeds over and over. that's neither fun or interesting. it's one of the primary reasons i now rarely read or post over at john sickels' site. i'd like SSS to maintain a generally higher level of discourse because there isn't another place like it.

by larry on Feb 22, 2008 3:13 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I agree, but in the end,
the Sox and their movements/potential/strategy are not an infinite universe, either.  So things get repeated.

I do believe if we Sox fans are not getting either Sox or tail we go insane, so my advice, sir, (not that you need it) is go get some tail, man.  Worked for me last week.

Jeff Cox: I'm going to call you "FN".

by winningugly on Feb 22, 2008 3:39 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

there's nothing wrong with some repetition
but there comes a point where everything gets tired. especially when it's the same people posting it over and over. juan uribe is fat. yeah, we know. SSH liked eduardo perez a lot. check. darin erstad isn't a good baseball player. 10-4. i realize this is the internet and we don't get the same body language feedback from people but we all need to know when to say when. my jerry owens joke-telling days are done. fun for a while but it's over. unless we're adding some new twists or info, some stuff needs to be retired not retreaded. these are especially lean times and we all will run afoul of it at some point but we don't want to be like tv talking heads who just repeat the same thing louder and louder in the belief that this somehow makes it better.

by larry on Feb 22, 2008 3:53 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Eduardo Perez...
He may very well have been a good option against lefties instead of Thome.  We will never know...

by SSH2005 on Feb 22, 2008 4:11 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

he retired
seems like he was cooked, either physically or mentally. good thought but you can't make a man play.

by larry on Feb 22, 2008 4:15 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, probably...
but Eduardo Perez's lefty split in 2006 (the season before he signed with the White Sox and then retired) looks pretty good...

169 PA  /  .275 AVG  /  .331 OBP  /  .503 SLG  /  .834 OPS

Had Perez wanted to play, it wouldn't have been a shock if he topped Thome's 2007 lefty split of...

169 PA  /  .196 AVG  /  .314 OBP  /  .350 SLG  /  .663 OPS

That is just putrid.  Thome still shouldn't face any lefties this season.  Maybe against lefties, Ozzie will rest Thome, stick Swisher at DH, Quentin in LF, and Ramirez (if he's on the roster) or Anderson (if he's still around) in CF?

by SSH2005 on Feb 22, 2008 4:49 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

thome will be platooning some
they've pretty much said that. and ozzie now has some options to do it.

perez, by the way, is busy trying to resucitate baseball in PR. we'll see how successful he is.

by larry on Feb 22, 2008 4:52 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Sorry to extend the thought
cause it's obvious to me that the subject is dead, and in principle I agree that rehashing the same crap is boring (I especially like and agree with your comment about talking heads and repetition/talking louder), but... you aren't the ultimate authority on when a topic is dead or not.

Also, I don't agree with you telling someone to pipe down just because you think something has been said enough, it seems like too much of a power trip. Plus, maybe someone else wants to hear it? (I know that may be a stretch)

In addition, I'm assuming that new posters and passer-by types aren't checking the back logs of posts and may bring up a dead topic from time to time. I realize that you have a good memory and most likely aren't speaking to them with your comments, but I wanted to just put it out there for the record.

In summary, I agree with you that many topics are dead and don't need to be brought up, but I don't agree that you should be telling people not to bring them up again. I apologize for just creating a Catch-22, but then again you are under no obligation to consider my opinion.

I'll pipe down now ;)

Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.

by rhythm on Feb 22, 2008 4:35 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

8 zillion?
where?
12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Feb 22, 2008 10:33 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Cmon Deac
You get the point. I know people want to speculate.. cool. But folks write things like they are foregone conclusions. The Pods-Erstad argument was a perfect example. Even when folks says Ozzie or KW are not hard to read I don't believe that is accurate either.

All Im saying is these points have been made over and over again. Lets see a few games and then start the bitch fest.

And yeah Richar is dumb as hell for messing up the Visa thing.

"There is not a liberal America and a conservative America. There is the United States of America."

by Tdogg on Feb 22, 2008 11:21 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

or how mike myers' option was totally
getting picked up. after he posted an ERA in excess of 11.00. yup, this team doesn't look at performance. they just make decisions based upon age.

by larry on Feb 22, 2008 11:27 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

I thought for sure that he would be back...
especially because his option was only for $1.1 million.  I just assumed that Kenny and Ozzie thought Myers would bounce back the next year.  Thankfully, I was wrong.

by SSH2005 on Feb 22, 2008 11:30 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

If you can't get up in arms
What's the point of being on SSS...

My real point was KW replaces Juan to improve the bat, obviously we still have an issue if the bat is now being moved over to a different postion. Or at least we have potentially have an issue - hopefully one of the other 3 shows they can hit on a consistant bases - and by consistent I don't mean once every 10 at bats, unless they are getting hit or taking a bunch of walks. (And hopefully they can show some solid defense too.)

In regards to defense - I agree, if I'm a pitcher, I wouldn't be too upset with those 2 taking care of the middle.

So instead of a big splash, there were ripples -- enough to change the tide, Williams believes

by Brush Back on Feb 22, 2008 11:20 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

The Legend continues to work his spell
"The guy showed up to spring training and was waiting outside the complex on the day pitchers and catchers were supposed to report. This may not sound like much to the old timers, but in the days of visa hang-ups, and not so fond memories of Pedro Martinez making up excuses not to go to Ft. Myers and Red Sox spring training, it is refreshing to know that the guy who plays the hardest, practices the hardest as well. A real lunch-pail kind of player. Kudos."

I thought lunch-pail-kind-of-player label was only reserved for erstad.

link

by onlysoxfaninboston on Feb 22, 2008 8:45 AM CST   0 recs

Uribe has a slight edge in the competition for 2B?
According to the Chicago Sun Times, Juan Uribe "has a slight edge" in the competition for the White Sox's starting job at second base.
He'll be battling Danny Richar, Pablo Ozuna and Alexei Ramirez for the gig now that Orlando Cabrera has replaced him as the team's shortstop. "I have no control over who the starter is,'' Uribe said. ''I'm going to do everything in my power to be the starting second baseman. That's what I like to do. I like to start and be a difference maker.''

Source:  Chicago Sun-Times

by SSH2005 on Feb 22, 2008 10:09 AM CST   0 recs

Has Richar made it to camp yet?
Or is he still having visa problems? If Richar isn't even in Tucson yet, I could see where Uribe would have the "slight" edge in camp. :)

by Tony82087 on Feb 22, 2008 10:42 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

not yet
pretty fucking dumb move to make if you want a job.

by larry on Feb 22, 2008 10:49 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

P*ssing Ozzie off
is no way to earn a starting job.  

Does Richar still have options left?  I'm assuming he does - but not sure.

If he doesn't win the 2B job, do you think they'll send him down?  With Ozuna, Uribe and Ramirez on the club, you would have to think so...but maybe they ship Ramirez down instead?

Ozuna screws this all up....

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Feb 22, 2008 10:57 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

ramirez isn't making the team
my guess was and remains (because nothing has happened yet) that only 2 of those 4 are on the opening day roster. we'll see how things start to shake out once ST starts for all teams. uribe is on the block for anyone who wants to take the salary - he's one serious (i.e., more than two months out) injury away from being the SS or 2B for another team. richar should probably show up to work if he wants a major league job. ozuna is on the roster. ramirez would have to be utterly spectacular to make the roster.

and richar has options.

by larry on Feb 22, 2008 11:04 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Ozuna
I may have missed it, but have there been any reports on his recovery?  If his injury is still nagging, wouldn't he be most likely to start the season in AAA (rehab)?  I don't see him as worthy of a spot if he's lost any speed (opinion).
Next time, Bhoov, do some research.

by Chiburb on Feb 22, 2008 11:20 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

i didn't say anything about him being worthy
guaranteed contract. he's on the bench. and he was playing in the DR. he's physically able to play baseball.

by larry on Feb 22, 2008 11:29 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Bench
I agree with you.  Not sure how the bench looks if Uribe isn't traded?

Uribe
Ozuna
Hall
Gonzo/Owens
Anderson

??

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Feb 22, 2008 11:20 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

tear
12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Feb 22, 2008 11:37 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

What the....
...why did I say Gonzo?  I meant Quintin...my brain is fried from work.  sorry
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Feb 22, 2008 1:22 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Let bygones be bygones...but
From Buster Olney:
>* Heard this: Gio Gonzalez, the pitcher acquired by Oakland in the Nick Swisher deal, is making a strong first impression in the Athletics' camp, and so are the three primary position players acquired in the winter trades -- Carlos Gonzalez, Ryan Sweeney and Aaron Cunningham. Here is a video clip of Cunningham from last summer.

Gonzalez shined in his first workout, writes Susan Slusser.

by BoKnows on Feb 22, 2008 11:07 AM CST   0 recs

Just once I want to read
In one of those stories involving a trade. "Yeah his first bullpen session, he sucked."

Now that would be a funny "fluff" piece.

"There is not a liberal America and a conservative America. There is the United States of America."

by Tdogg on Feb 22, 2008 11:16 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

i was gonna say the same thing
no one is going to say anything bad about any player right now. hell, mac hits a player in BP and there's nary a word about mac maybe having some control issues.

by larry on Feb 22, 2008 11:30 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

anyone with
some sort of talent probably looks good in spring because no one has seen baseball in so long, hahahaha
12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Feb 22, 2008 11:38 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

question
do the spring training photo's on the chicagosports website for the sox not work for anyone else or is it just me?
12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Feb 22, 2008 11:42 AM CST   0 recs

Regarding these visas:
Why doesn't the team have someone (in the players' countries) handle getting the necessary paperwork for these guys, or at least make sure they're on some schedule? Seems like a no brainer, chump change considering the problems it can create.
"All this has done is put the Tigers in a better position to contend with us."

by ballyb on Feb 22, 2008 11:52 AM CST   0 recs

who says they don't?
you kinda sorta need the player to, you know, be involved in the process.

by larry on Feb 22, 2008 11:56 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

since you seem unfamiliar with the process
getting a visa isn't just paperwork. you need to actually go to the embassy/consulate in person, fingerprinted, interviewed, etc. and you need to set up your appointment pretty far in advance these days. and "you" need to do this, not your representative.

by larry on Feb 22, 2008 11:59 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

these are supposed to be men
who you would think should be able to do simple tasks themselves, on time....
12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Feb 22, 2008 12:01 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

well
they need to be told about the simple tasks and what timeframes and so on. but the sox (and every major league organization) do just that. they've got immigration attorneys in all these countries to take care of things and shepherd players through the process. but, as someone who deals with clients every day, the old chestnut about leading a horse to water comes to mind. people don't return your calls, emails, letters. you tell them what the deadlines are and they ignore you or forget. we can't do a lot for our clients but they need to do a little, too. you can bet the problem was that danny just ignored his shepherd and didn't get the appointment set up in time.

by larry on Feb 22, 2008 12:07 PM CST to parent up   0 recs