Running the White Sox
Here's the one Sox item I found today (thanks to Baseball Musings): Voros McCracken notes base running isn't the problem for the White Sox:
There is nothing wrong with good baserunning, proper bunting technique, hitting cutoff men, etc. The thing is there’s a reason why they call them the ‘little things.’ All of it can get canceled out by a three run homer in a hurry. When it comes to ‘doing the little things,’ being able to do the ‘big things’ probably needs to come first.
BTW, what's your Superbowl prediction? Mine? New England 42, New York 13.
- Jim looks at the 2008 Sox PECOTA projections and Santana's departure.
- The Tigers signed CF Curtis Granderson to a 6-year $30 million deal (6th year club option).
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Prediction
No really, Patriots 41 - Giants 17. Over by the end of the 1st quarter.
20 minutes of Giants practice footage taped by the Pats.
If Cox can help Owens and Richar out, that would be great. As long as I don't see AJ or Dye up there trying to bunt.
by RME JICO on Feb 3, 2008 2:46 PM CST 0 recs
Giants 24 Patriots 35
by rhythm on Feb 3, 2008 2:48 PM CST 0 recs
I have a cup of coffee riding on this game.
Giants - 24
Literally pulled those number out of my ass just now. I really just hope it's a close game.
by defensive indifference on Feb 3, 2008 3:40 PM CST 0 recs
I used the same method to arrive at my numbers
by The Wizard on
Feb 3, 2008 9:22 PM CST
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I'm in a rough decision
It's like The Empire vs Jar Jar Binks, the Empire is really bad...but I can't live with a Jar Jar victory.
by shaftr on Feb 3, 2008 5:22 PM CST 0 recs
Well put!
by rhythm on
Feb 3, 2008 7:21 PM CST
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unfortunately...
by Shoeless In SC on
Feb 4, 2008 2:38 PM CST
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My prediciton
by ChicagoPete on Feb 3, 2008 8:09 PM CST 0 recs
Who took the under?
by CWSKeith on Feb 3, 2008 9:13 PM CST 0 recs
I took points
I had it being a close game, with Eli Manning throwing a late pick to ice the game for the Pats. In fact, I was golden until he threw the late touchdown since I had money on him throwing a 4th quarter interception.
by The Cheat on
Feb 3, 2008 9:26 PM CST
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He tried is ass off to throw it too
by colintj on
Feb 3, 2008 9:50 PM CST
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the 4th quarter pick, I mean
by colintj on
Feb 3, 2008 9:50 PM CST
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17-14 Giants
by MarketMaker on Feb 3, 2008 9:37 PM CST 0 recs
Not quite as good
by omnipotent grab on
Feb 3, 2008 10:14 PM CST
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thought they could cover
by The Deacon on Feb 4, 2008 8:17 AM CST 0 recs
I feel better now that
by palehose67 on Feb 4, 2008 8:29 AM CST 0 recs
ha!
by The Deacon on
Feb 4, 2008 8:34 AM CST
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From Gonzales in the Trib.
If healthy, Quentin could be impact player for Sox
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/cs-080203-chicago-white-sox-quentin,1,669535.story
by ballyb on Feb 4, 2008 11:18 AM CST 0 recs
Last winter's Erstad suck-off pieces
by CWSKeith on
Feb 4, 2008 11:47 AM CST
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am i the only one
by ruffster on
Feb 4, 2008 12:58 PM CST
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wow...
by Shoeless In SC on
Feb 4, 2008 2:42 PM CST
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32, I think.
Expires in October, 2013
by ballyb on
Feb 4, 2008 2:55 PM CST
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hm. even better.
by Shoeless In SC on
Feb 4, 2008 3:01 PM CST
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Minor nuisance.
by ballyb on
Feb 4, 2008 3:06 PM CST
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Even if...
by The Jerry Royster Experience on
Feb 4, 2008 1:18 PM CST
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Regardless,
by ballyb on
Feb 4, 2008 1:34 PM CST
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no
by colintj on
Feb 4, 2008 5:10 PM CST
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good for him
by shaftr on
Feb 4, 2008 4:57 PM CST
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Everything I've ever read about
by palehose67 on
Feb 4, 2008 5:27 PM CST
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Juan Gone to the Cardinals?
It was reported last month that this might happen, but there's been no followup the last couple of weeks. Gonzalez, 38, last played in the majors in 2005.
Source: Newsday
by SSH2005 on Feb 4, 2008 11:43 AM CST 0 recs
Re: Santana deal
"DON'T PRINT THAT
People who know say the Twins' only window for acquiring starting pitcher Phil Hughes from the New York Yankees in a trade for Johan Santana lasted less than two days, and that was in December.
Then, in a surprising turnabout that broke a 30-year philosophy of extravagant - and stupid - spending, the Yankees changed their minds and decided that committing Santana, 29, to a seven-year contract was too huge a gamble to take. Plus, the Yankees, in the midst of ownership transition, decided they wouldn't part with prospects the way they once did.
The Yankees, for once, might look good on this one. It's clear that in the latter years of Santana's new deal with the Mets, what has virtually become a priceless left arm won't be the same as it is now. And that's assuming that arm remains healthy. People get old, and arms get old.
It's unlikely the Mets will be able to get disability insurance on Santana's deal beyond the first four years. It's simply too big a risk.
As for the Boston Red Sox, they wouldn't offer pticher Jon Lester and outfielder Jacoby Ellsbury together in a package for Santana. And after initial talks, Boston remained relatively passive throughout the Santana sweepstakes.
There are baseball people who think outfielder Carlos Gomez, whom the Twins got for Santana and who might be baseball's fastest player on the basepaths (sub-4 seconds to first base), might have more upside than Ellsbury. That, of course, is to be determined.
The Santana-Mets deal was not a deal made solely by Twins general manager Bill Smith. It was made by Smith, the Pohlad family ownership, top Twins scouts and assorted top front-office officials. The Twins were convinced, under the circumstances, that it was the best they could do."
by winningugly on Feb 4, 2008 2:06 PM CST 0 recs
hey old man...
by Shoeless In SC on
Feb 4, 2008 2:36 PM CST
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Strib (Minny Star-Tribune) - off the Fox
Junior.
by winningugly on
Feb 4, 2008 3:07 PM CST
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Wow. All you haters lost :)
Watching Eli play in the SEC for four years I wasn't surprised how he has played in this year's playoffs. He loosened up a lot, and starting playing like the young 20-year old I saw at Ole Miss and predicted would be a Heisman winner before his senior year started. My friends called me nuts but I still placed $20 on him being a Heisman winner, and it ended up not being a bad bet. He was in the discussion until the very end.
Anyway, I've always been an Eli supporter. He's judged too harshly by the media and is unfairly compared to his brother Peyton. Peyton is ridiculously good. One of the best quarterbacks to ever play the game. Eli has a long way to go to be him, but he's still capable of winning championships.
I can't wait for my Superbowl hat and shirt to come in. Kinda makes the NFC championship stuff I bought pale in comparison, but oh well. It's just money.
by Shoeless In SC on Feb 4, 2008 2:33 PM CST 0 recs
bandwagon jumper!
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Feb 4, 2008 2:41 PM CST
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Kinda lucky, I guess
Nothing, nothing will compare to a Gamecock football championship, however... That is about as likely to happen as the White Sox winning it all in 2008.
If the Gamecocks win a football title I dunno what I'll do. I'll be happy for the rest of my life. I could die happy. I really could. A basketball championship? Yeah, that'd be great. So would a College World Series victory. But nothing would compare to a football title.
That's something I will probably have to wait my entire life for, unfortunately.
by Shoeless In SC on
Feb 4, 2008 2:50 PM CST
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Just for the record...
I'll also come out and say that I think the Giants won despite Eli Manning and that the Giant's Defensive Unit actually deserved the MVP. If you don't want to give the award to their whole defensive unit, then their middle linebacker Pierce, any of the D-lineman, or even Tyree were better choices than Manning, IMHO.
I will say that I'm in line with the TMQ from crappy ESPN.com in believing that the quarter back and running back positions are over represented in terms of season and post-season awards, so I have a bit of a bias with respect to the Superbowl MVP already. Truly outstanding performances from other positions are frequently over looked in a rush to hand an award to the a quarter back or running back.
22 years ago a very deserving defensive end received his due and it would be exciting to see that happen more often.
by rhythm on
Feb 4, 2008 5:28 PM CST
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Won *despite* Manning?
Not that I disagree with you about the defense deserving it (Tuck, maybe?), but Manning outplayed his counterpart handily, and you're dismissing his contributions a little too strongly.
by Sox Machine on
Feb 4, 2008 5:43 PM CST
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Yeah!
by winningugly on
Feb 4, 2008 6:20 PM CST
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Maybe I was being a bit harsh...
I'll give you that he did what he needed to do and won the game. He also screwed up a number of plays, such as that floater to Burress on the last drive and the near interception to Samuel as obvious examples.
If I'm going to choose someone to be the MVP of a game, I'm going to go with someone that was consistently playing at a very high level throughout the game and that the team couldn't have won without. You know, like the Giant's defense.
It's just my opinion, so take it for what it's worth (ie nothing). If you disagree with it, that's fine.
by rhythm on
Feb 4, 2008 7:11 PM CST
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The "floater" looked ot have been thrown
Are you saying Rex = Eli? If you were the Giants' GM would you do that trade?
I didn't think so. You are usually right as rain, rhythm - are you imbibing tonight? ;)
And remember when Dent was MVP in '86? Blech! It felt anti-climactic. Tough to ever give it to a defensive guy.
by winningugly on
Feb 4, 2008 7:21 PM CST
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Rex and Eli
The pass to Tyree has to be one of my favorite NFL plays of all time... regular season included. Simply amazing at not only the skill and luck (yeah I admit there may have been some chance there) but also when you take into account what was on the line.
It truly seemed to me that the Giants wanted it a bit more. At least the defensive lineman did. My buddy said he had never seen a game where the defensive line owned another team's offensive line so much over the course of an entire game. These were three pro bowl lineman! I bet Brady was hurting this morning.
The future certainly looks bright for the Giants. WR3, Steve Smith, is going to be a star in this league I believe, Jacobs and Bradshaw are both young, and the defensive line looks just outstanding, even with the departure of Strahan. Tuck isn't even a starter, and Kiwanuka is playing LB, not his natural position. Another CB and a LB in the draft, and the Giants are set until they retool their offensive line which is also a great group. Makes me happy to be a Giants fan.
by Shoeless In SC on
Feb 4, 2008 8:21 PM CST
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That entire play with Tyree's catch was awesome
If one play were different (perhaps the tyree catch?), the story would be different and no one would be saying that the Giants wanted it more. Now if you want to say that Tyree wanted that ball more than Harrison, I would agree with you. At any rate, I think I'm splitting hairs here and apologize for that.
BTW, to split more hairs ;) , my entire argument for someone other than Eli getting the MVP can be summed up with what your buddy said. My argument wasn't that Eli = Rex, or that Eli sucks, just that other people seemed to be more deserving of the MVP because of how I think an MVP should be awarded.
I would argue that by giving the MVP to Eli, it makes everyone feel good because his brother got it last year and makes such a great story - blah blah blah. I don't buy into that crap. If others do, more power to them. I think you look at what was the most important factor in the win (IMO the defense holding the pats offense) and choose the person or people that made that happen (numerous choices possible).
I agree that the future looks bright for the Giants. I'm certainly not a fan of their team, but it was fun to watch them play a solid and exciting game. Things can change in a hurry, obviously, with injuries, etc, so enjoy their window while it lasts!
by rhythm on
Feb 5, 2008 1:45 PM CST
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Wasn't imbibing
I agree that Eli stepped up his game in the playoffs and looked a hell of a lot better than Rex did in last year's superbowl. I think he's improving, but that he's ceiling is an above average quarterback, not the superstar that Peyton is and that everyone wants to make him to be because he's Peyton's brother. I would say a Jeff Garcia in his 49ers prime above average quarterback is where Eli's ceiling is, noting that their games are very different, but that their results will be similar.
I didn't intend to say that Eli=Rex. I was trying to point to the fact that they both keep you on the edge of your seat and play a winning ugly style, if you will.
I think that people are blowing smoke up peoples' behinds when stating such things as "it's games like this where legends are created" when referring to Eli's performance in Sunday's superbowl. Eli did a fine job against a very good defense. He made some mistakes and kept you on the edge of your seat. I don't think he should have been the MVP of the superbowl.
by rhythm on
Feb 5, 2008 1:31 PM CST
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Hey, Favre keeps ya on the edge too
People are way too critical of Eli. I don't know why they do... but it was good to hear him sound back on his critics. When people criticize him I can only point to my Super Bowl hat and shirt and smile.
What the game should tell us is that in the end, records and stats don't mean anything if you don't win the last game.
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Feb 5, 2008 5:55 PM CST
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Agreed, drama is spelled Favre
I think we've officially beaten this horse to death.
by rhythm on
Feb 5, 2008 7:31 PM CST
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Agreed.
by Shoeless In SC on
Feb 5, 2008 8:11 PM CST
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Front or back?
by winningugly on
Feb 5, 2008 8:40 PM CST
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LOL!
by rhythm on
Feb 6, 2008 10:12 AM CST
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Anyone watch Marquette/Louisville?
As far as the game... let's not talk about that. Looks like it's gonna be another first-or-second round tournament exit for Marquette in March. Sigh...
by CWSKeith on Feb 4, 2008 8:43 PM CST 0 recs
i know you guys won head to head
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Feb 4, 2008 9:09 PM CST
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Good for them
Not that Marquette would beat Wisconsin if they played that game tomorrow night -- I doubt Marquette would come within 15. We're just nothing special... if MU gets the right matchup in the tournament, they'll (perhaps) win a game but even a Sweet 16 appearance looks like a hope and a prayer at this point.
Then again -- on the positive side -- if they're getting their terrible basketball out of the way now, maybe that's a good thing. I just fear they aren't a whole lot better than their slightly-better-than-the-middle-of-the-pack, Big East record indicates.
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Feb 4, 2008 9:16 PM CST
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Scott Merkin -- stoking the flames of homerism...
The title alone was enough to make me laugh. But then I read this great nugget:
So we improve by 4 or 5 games with Santana out of the A.L.? Hmmm, let's take a look...
Johan Santana (Record vs. White Sox)
2002: 0-1
2003: 1-0
2004: 2-2
2005: 4-0
2006: 3-1
2007: 3-1
So even in his best season against us, Santana still only cost us 4 losses. Now, is Merkin also assuming automatic wins over whichever pitcher the Twins will throw against us instead of Santana? How does this guy have a job? I can publish crap too, MLB.com. Will you hire me?
by SSH2005 on Feb 4, 2008 9:55 PM CST 0 recs
Retarded.
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Feb 4, 2008 10:26 PM CST
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Agreed, I would say 2... possibly 3.
by SSH2005 on
Feb 4, 2008 10:59 PM CST
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Maybe it's like Phil Rogers +/- system
Twins lose one pitcher, so that's a minus 1. Multiply that by the amount of starts the pitcher would have had against the White Sox (4 or 5) to easily and accurately calculate win differential.
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Feb 4, 2008 10:55 PM CST
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Maybe the biggest gain
by Tdogg on
Feb 5, 2008 7:54 AM CST
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you may wish to consider
by larry on
Feb 5, 2008 10:23 AM CST
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Brian Roberts and George Sherrill to the Cubs?
I actually buy this rumor. If the Orioles are rebuilding now, what good would a 31 year old reliever be to them?
by SSH2005 on Feb 4, 2008 11:25 PM CST 0 recs
It may be true...
"The O's have no use for a 31 year old reliever in there pen and want to get younger."
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Feb 4, 2008 11:34 PM CST
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Not to mention
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Feb 5, 2008 10:51 AM CST
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my search for White Sox baseball continues
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So does this mean I'll be able to watch White Sox games, or will I just get the programming and the games will be blacked out?
by shaftr on Feb 5, 2008 8:21 AM CST 0 recs
You'll probably...
Extra Innings is not exclusive to DirecTV (they talked about that last year, but at the last minute they changed their minds). I'm not sure if Dish Network has it or not.
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Feb 5, 2008 10:26 AM CST
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the site says no
by shaftr on
Feb 5, 2008 10:32 AM CST
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