It's Community Projection time

by The Cheat on Feb 5, 2008 1:50 PM CST in White Sox News

This is the most boring part of the year. We're a couple weeks away from pitchers and catchers reporting. We're not desperate enough to celebrate Truck Day. And, I don't know about you, but College basketball just doesn't hold my attention anymore until I get to fill out some brackets.

To keep us busy in this terribly boring period of the off-season, I thought we would try our hand (again) at some community projections.

First up a couple of 2B candidates, Danny Richar and Alexei Ramirez. We haven't seen much of these guys, but that's where the wisdom of crowds can really shine through. Links are in the right sidebar under recent diaries. Reply to each thread with your own projection, and I'll tabulate the results in about a week.

***** In other news, (wizard)

Jim previews Javy.
The Sox purchased the contract of 29-year old 2B Javier Colina. Colina hit .309/.375/.560 with 42 BB and 62 K playing with the Newark Bears of the the independent Atlantic League. However, his Minor-League stats aren't as good.
Easy there Big Fella. Speaking of the Big Fella, Shaq may end up in Phoenix.
THT: Tuck says Kostas For Commish.
THT: Anatomy of a player: Bartolo Colon.

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BA is down in the DR for the Caribbean series

Meanwhile, they have a bunch of info on some soon-to-be bonus babies.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/?p=733

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Feb 5, 2008 4:48 PM CST reply actions

I saw the title

And thought you meant a different BA - he whose name Ozzie will not say

So instead of a big splash, there were ripples -- enough to change the tide, Williams believes

by Brush Back on Feb 5, 2008 5:48 PM CST up reply actions

yeah I was confused too.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Feb 5, 2008 6:05 PM CST up reply actions

Wimmin be crazy, man

"EVANSVILLE, Ind. -- The estranged wife of Los Angeles Dodgers coach Don Mattingly was arrested and charged with public intoxication and disorderly conduct after police say she refused to leave his property in Indiana.

Police arrested 45-year-old Kim Mattingly after they were called to the home of the former Yankee first baseman to investigate reports of a person refusing to leave on Saturday, a probable cause affidavit said. The affidavit, signed by a Vanderburgh County Sheriff's Deputy Chad Howard, said she smelled of alcohol and screamed at officers.

The couple filed for divorce in November on the grounds of irreconcilable differences. The divorce has not been finalized, and no further action has been taken."

For all of you youngsters out there, this is but another cautionary tale. STAY SINGLE! (Until you are ready to procreate - then have at it.)

Jeff Cox: I'm going to call you "FN".

by winningugly on Feb 5, 2008 8:39 PM CST reply actions

And here i thought

You were getting ready to rip Indiana!

So instead of a big splash, there were ripples -- enough to change the tide, Williams believes

by Brush Back on Feb 5, 2008 9:32 PM CST up reply actions

coco

From MLBTradeRumors

Coco Crisp being signed through 2009 or '10 is an impediment for teams like the Cubs, White Sox, Twins, and Reds - they don't want to block their young outfielders. The Red Sox may not have a trading partner for Crisp.

WHO?

by hugh on Feb 6, 2008 9:42 AM CST reply actions

blOwens?

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Feb 6, 2008 9:49 AM CST up reply actions

LOL -

I don't believe I've seen that. Good job.

Jeff Cox: I'm going to call you "FN".

by winningugly on Feb 6, 2008 10:20 AM CST up reply actions

i've got a bunch

of names on the sox i can incorporate "blow" into somehow... hahahahah

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Feb 6, 2008 10:31 AM CST up reply actions

umm

Jermaine Dye...ing to blow?

His little smile pissed me off.

by colintj on Feb 6, 2008 10:36 AM CST up reply actions

pablow blowzuna....

blowby hall, pauk blownerko....

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Feb 6, 2008 10:41 AM CST up reply actions

Jim Blowme?

(giggling like a school girl)

"Each one of my (off-season acquisition)targets has that edge to them, that go-getter attitude. We need it. We will embrace it." - Kenny Williams (11/28/07)

by tailgater on Feb 6, 2008 12:10 PM CST up reply actions

Soft and yielding, innocent and fresh

you are, 'gater.

Jeff Cox: I'm going to call you "FN".

by winningugly on Feb 6, 2008 12:39 PM CST up reply actions

you really do have a gift

His little smile pissed me off.

by colintj on Feb 6, 2008 12:30 PM CST up reply actions

i know

it was just one of those things i was born with.

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Feb 6, 2008 12:31 PM CST up reply actions

OT: For those interested...

Heath Ledger's death ruled accidental overdose

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Feb 6, 2008 10:10 AM CST reply actions

Makes you want to be a celebrity.

"The cause of death was "acute intoxication by the combined effects of oxycodone, hydrocodone, diazepam, temazepam, alprazolam and doxylamine," spokeswoman Ellen Borakove said in a statement.

The drugs are the generic names for the painkiller OxyContin, the anti-anxiety drugs Valium and Xanax, and the sleep aids Restoril and Unisom. Hydrocodone is a widely used prescription painkiller."

"All this has done is put the Tigers in a better position to contend with us."

by ballyb on Feb 6, 2008 10:34 AM CST up reply actions

Hydrocodone is generic Vicodin

That sounds like the Long Island Iced Tea of pharma-cocktails, cheers.

"Swisher's versatility allows us to give Owens a chance to come back and show he's ready to be that sparkplug like Podsednik was a couple of years ago." - KW

by ChicagoPete on Feb 6, 2008 10:38 AM CST up reply actions

According to WSCR,

Ken Hawk Harrelson has been extended for three years. Say what you will, but he is a big part of "White Sox Baseball." Even though I've grown tired of his inability and/or stubborness to embrace some more modern ways to think about baseball(ie sabermetrics, for example), I love him and White Sox games won't be the same when he's gone.

by dantesox on Feb 6, 2008 10:48 AM CST up reply actions

hawk

annoyed the sh*t out of me last year with the statement "in all my years i have never seen a team underachieve as bad as this" EVERY single game. hes really getting to be annoying when things dont go the sox way.

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Feb 6, 2008 10:52 AM CST up reply actions

Yeah, I know.

I agree. I can't say I have the same level of "love" I had for him a few years ago, but still...he is the one and only Hawk. I don't get tired of his cliches and Hawkisms, but the kind of stuff you refer to can be infuriating.

by dantesox on Feb 6, 2008 10:56 AM CST up reply actions

I think...

Harrelson was an excellent color man, and could be excellent again if put back in that role. At his best, he's entertaining.

I've got nothing particularly against Darrin Jackson. He's pleasant enough, and there are worse broadcasters out there. But he's too genial and laid-back; he lets Harrelson dominate the broadcast.

The Sox need to bring in a professional announcer to do play-by-play. That way, Hawk can be Hawk, and it won't get in the way of the game anymore.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Feb 6, 2008 10:55 AM CST up reply actions

worse broadcasters than DJ?

id be careful with that statement....

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Feb 6, 2008 10:57 AM CST up reply actions

There are.

I have Extra Innings, and I've watched broadcasts by multiple teams. Darrin Jackson is a middle-of-the-road announcer.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Feb 6, 2008 10:59 AM CST up reply actions

its all a matter of opinion

DJ just doesnt do much for me and his jokes are usually terrible. are there any mlb tv broadcaster rankings?

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Feb 6, 2008 11:01 AM CST up reply actions

whatever rankings are going to be..

subjective anyway. just like this conversation.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Feb 6, 2008 11:03 AM CST up reply actions

i know

just wondering what an "unbiased" source would say or rank the sox broadcasting team. i know rooney and farmer were the best a few years ago according to USA today.

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Feb 6, 2008 11:04 AM CST up reply actions

Just a minor point,

but weren't they second best to the Dodgers crew?

by palehose67 on Feb 6, 2008 11:08 AM CST up reply actions

probably

i know they were the best in the AL.

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Feb 6, 2008 11:09 AM CST up reply actions

I found a link to

that article:

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/2005-07-26-announcers-overview_x.htm

Sorry that I don't know how to do those instant links that all of you post. I guess it's tough for anyone to say that Vin Scully isn't the best. Not to mention, of course, Rick Monday. Does anybody remember when Monday rescued the USA flag from a couple of idiots trying to burn it in the outfield?

by palehose67 on Feb 6, 2008 11:19 AM CST up reply actions

middle of the road...

as far as color goes? or play-by-play? because I've noticed a difference. His color commentary is "okay". Not great, not awful. When Hawk goes on a break, however, and DJ does play-by-play... I'm not sure there are any worse out there. And I had MLB.TV.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Feb 6, 2008 11:02 AM CST up reply actions

I have it too,

and I pretty much agree. I'll also pretty much agree on the Hawk/DJ pairing-- it doesn't work that well--- Dj is too passive and defers too much. I've seen him on broadcasts for the network, and he is better.

by dantesox on Feb 6, 2008 11:03 AM CST up reply actions

Farmer.

"All this has done is put the Tigers in a better position to contend with us."

by ballyb on Feb 6, 2008 11:10 AM CST up reply actions

100% agree

Hawk needs to be relegated to color. DJ can't really do either. His play-by-play is B R U T A L. Even worse than his color commentary.

Sox need a real play-by-play guy. Steve Stone would be alright.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Feb 6, 2008 11:01 AM CST up reply actions

However,

Singleton and Farmer are unbearably bad....don't even get me started. That IS brutal.

by dantesox on Feb 6, 2008 11:05 AM CST up reply actions

I kind of had this idea in my mind

since watching him last September vs. the Cubs, and after just reading an article in Baseball Prospectus, I am absolutely gungho on it. We need Jeff Keppinger from the Reds to play second base and bat leadoff. No, I'm not kidding. What's more, it's doable, since Cincy has Brandon Phillips and Gonzalez in the middle. What could we give them? Expand it some how? Check out Keppinger's numbers. He's what we need and it would be a fantastic under the radar, potentially big-time payoff sort of move.

by dantesox on Feb 6, 2008 11:26 AM CST up reply actions

He can also

play third (his natural position) and short in a pinch. He is worth an inquiry by Kenny.

by dantesox on Feb 6, 2008 11:41 AM CST up reply actions

it's not under the radar if it's posted on BP

lordy, so, in the last nine months, the sox have traded for one 2B, re-signed another likely 2B, signed another potential 2B, already have a guy whose natural position is 2B, and now they should trade for another one. the word "overkill" comes to mind.

2/6/1958: flowers of manchester

by larry on Feb 6, 2008 11:44 AM CST up reply actions

Or the word CUBS.

"All this has done is put the Tigers in a better position to contend with us."

by ballyb on Feb 6, 2008 11:46 AM CST up reply actions

Priceless comment.

by palehose67 on Feb 6, 2008 11:55 AM CST up reply actions

I know

it's not as clean as we'd like, but, still, it makes sense, lar. I think it's worth the chance...I BELIEVE he could give us 2-3 years of high OBP and versatility defensively at the top of the lineup....and Brian Anderson might be enough. WE CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO WITH rICHAR AND uRIBE LATER. aCTUALLY, this is a bit wild, but I don't think it crazy to entertain the notion of Richar trying centerfield in AAA if he is to be sent down.

by dantesox on Feb 6, 2008 11:49 AM CST up reply actions

keppinger isn't going to get traded

2/6/1958: flowers of manchester

by larry on Feb 6, 2008 11:51 AM CST up reply actions

Don't be so smug. He can be had, lar.

by dantesox on Feb 6, 2008 11:53 AM CST up reply actions

i'm not being "smug"

a guy like keppinger is perfect for an NL team - can play 4 positions (heck, he seems to be a quick learner so maybe more), provide a stick off the bench, and generally be "super-utility man." the reds don't have anyone else who can fill that role so why would they trade him? he's a defacto 10th starter for them. there's nothing we have that would replace that production for them.

2/6/1958: flowers of manchester

by larry on Feb 6, 2008 11:56 AM CST up reply actions

freel is close

can play OF, 3B, 2B.
but either way, i dont see how the sox would want to acquire another 2B.

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Feb 6, 2008 12:03 PM CST up reply actions

they key is keppinger can play SS

what turns a player from utility to super-utility is the ability to play CF and/or SS. in the land of the double-switch - and you know dusty loves him some double-switch - keppinger is worth quite a bit. and i did a disservice to him earlier - it's five positions he can play.

2/6/1958: flowers of manchester

by larry on Feb 6, 2008 12:08 PM CST up reply actions

the point

is that freel and keppinger are complementary players and are really great for roster construction. because of their flexibility, the reds are able to carry guys on their bench who are largely worthless in the field (like a scott hatteberg) but provide some pinch-hit ability. bench construction in the NL is their counterpart to the AL's DH: you've gotta have something pretty good on it if you want to compete.

2/6/1958: flowers of manchester

by larry on Feb 6, 2008 12:13 PM CST up reply actions

Jesus, we have gnawed through

every subject matter, baseball and otherwise, waiting for this goddamn season to start. I'm about to go postal if I don't get some baseball soon!

Jeff Cox: I'm going to call you "FN".

by winningugly on Feb 6, 2008 11:21 AM CST reply actions

and you're the only one

who's actually been exposed to baseball in the last few months (i.e., "Hey, Walk, can you pass me the soap?")

By the way, revenge will be sweet on Saturday night. The Boilerfakers are sure to falter on the road in Binge Drinking Town, U.S.A.

"They say that blood is thicker than water. What we have is thicker than blood."

by Toonderstrook on Feb 6, 2008 11:38 AM CST up reply actions

at least there's one thing

you guys do best

His little smile pissed me off.

by colintj on Feb 6, 2008 12:35 PM CST up reply actions

btw, what do you think of mallett's appeal?

"They say that blood is thicker than water. What we have is thicker than blood."

by Toonderstrook on Feb 6, 2008 12:36 PM CST up reply actions

he deserves to be able to play

i don't see why he should have to sit. he was basically told, it sounds to me, that he wasn't needed at michigan. i'm pretty annoyed with rodriguez for putting it that way, but i don't know for sure that it went down like that. i do wish him the best (despite others calling him a prima donna...what proof?). he's got all the talent in the world and lloyd knows how to pick good people, so i hope some of the more mouth-breathy michigan fans remember that.

His little smile pissed me off.

by colintj on Feb 6, 2008 6:19 PM CST up reply actions

transfer this.

not sure how i feel about his case in particular, but this seems to be more and more of an issue every day. i usually end up feeling worse for guys who are sold on programs like louisville by somebody like bobby petrino who wasn't fired but instead bolted for the dough.

carr's "resignation," on the other hand, was not quite voluntary. seems to me that the risk of a coach being pushed out/fired is a possibility that every student-athlete has to face when determining whether to accept a scholarship.

regardless, this does remind us all (as if we really need it) of why athlete should come before student (UM >>>>>> UA).

"They say that blood is thicker than water. What we have is thicker than blood."

by Toonderstrook on Feb 6, 2008 6:37 PM CST up reply actions

He wasn't pushed out

Carr could have coached forever if he so chose. He was asked, actually, to coach an additional year by the AD (this past one) when he wanted to retire at the end of 06. Mallett expected there to be far more continuity between the two regimes (as we all did, frankly), but Rodriguez was too good to be true. He deserves to play immediately.

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Feb 6, 2008 11:40 PM CST up reply actions

It was actually Baines and Baldwin

in the shower. As a runty Caucasiod I was not in my element.

"Boilerfakers" - has a certain truth to it.

How were the Dead?

Jeff Cox: I'm going to call you "FN".

by winningugly on Feb 6, 2008 12:42 PM CST up reply actions

Stiff, of course

Zing!

Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.

by rhythm on Feb 6, 2008 2:31 PM CST up reply actions

amazing.

"They say that blood is thicker than water. What we have is thicker than blood."

by Toonderstrook on Feb 6, 2008 2:51 PM CST up reply actions

While I'm trying to feel positive

about the 2008 version of the Sox (at least the offense will be fun to watch again), I'm hoping someone can tell me why I should feel good about Contreras, Danks and Floyd.

Are we banking on Father Time making a comeback and the youngsters "maturing"?

Without at least "decent" years from all 3 (I won't even mention the outstanding performances that will be needed by the revamped bullpen), 60% of the season has a good chance of falling in the crapper.

Any ray of hope is appreciated, so someone please provide the rose-colored glasses.

"Each one of my (off-season acquisition)targets has that edge to them, that go-getter attitude. We need it. We will embrace it." - Kenny Williams (11/28/07)

by tailgater on Feb 6, 2008 12:43 PM CST reply actions

IMO,

Jose '08 >> Jose '078
Danks '08 no worse than Danks '07, I think much better.
Wild card is Floyd - hoping for Floyd in Sept '07

Offense and bullpen sb much improved

"All this has done is put the Tigers in a better position to contend with us."

by ballyb on Feb 6, 2008 12:56 PM CST up reply actions

i actually

think floyd could be decent this year. my version of decent is mid to high 4 era. i think anything under 5 for him could be a huge success.

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Feb 6, 2008 1:07 PM CST up reply actions

It's all in his head,

as it is with all pro athletes, for that matter all humans.

"All this has done is put the Tigers in a better position to contend with us."

by ballyb on Feb 6, 2008 1:11 PM CST up reply actions

sb Jose '08 >> Jose '07

"All this has done is put the Tigers in a better position to contend with us."

by ballyb on Feb 6, 2008 1:09 PM CST up reply actions

Dominican wimmin be crazy, too

"Rays officials were still awaiting details Tuesday night on the legal status of infielder Willy Aybar, who has been jailed in the Dominican Republic on domestic violence charges. A court official in San Cristobal told the Times there was a hearing Tuesday in Aybar's case but did not know what had happened. Appeals court prosecutor Jesus Fernandez Velez told espndeportes.com Monday that Aybar's lawyers said Friday that the wife had agreed to withdraw the complaint, which could lead to the charges being dropped. Aybar, 24, has been in custody since Thursday and could remain jailed for at least three more months, espndeportes.com reported Monday. The Rays are counting on Aybar, acquired last month from Atlanta, to have a key role, potentially starting at third base until prospect Evan Longoria is deemed ready then becoming a "super-utility" player. If Aybar is unavailable, the Rays would seem more likely to look elsewhere for a third baseman to compete with Joel Guzman rather than rush Longoria. -- St. Peterburg Times

The Rays cannot catch a break - someone's always in the clink.

Jeff Cox: I'm going to call you "FN".

by winningugly on Feb 6, 2008 1:12 PM CST reply actions

More clemens

McNamee's got physical evidence. If the syringes contain residue of both steroids/HGH and Clemens DNA, could Clemens still pull a Bonds and say that he didn't knowingly take any steroids or HGH??

by onlysoxfaninboston on Feb 6, 2008 2:45 PM CST reply actions

his reasoning for having the evidence

is a little fishy...
is he nostradamus in the fact that he knew clemens would eventually be accused?

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Feb 6, 2008 2:49 PM CST up reply actions

hmmm

very monica lewinsky of him to hold on to those syringes.

by onlysoxfaninboston on Feb 6, 2008 2:53 PM CST up reply actions

i haven't read any of this stuff,

but if i were involved in something that could bring me down, i'd keep whatever evidence i could to use as potential leverage (i.e., if i am a hitman, i'm keeping phone messages and e-mails from the person who tries to hire me, etc.).

"They say that blood is thicker than water. What we have is thicker than blood."

by Toonderstrook on Feb 6, 2008 2:54 PM CST up reply actions

you'd make a pretty easily convicted hitman

if you're keeping all that evidence around. maybe it's just me but, while i may keep evidence around of stuff connecting me to lesser crimes, i think i'll get rid of the stuff related to me murdering someone, especially, say, explicit email exchanges that say "did you kill her like i paid you to?" and "yes."

2/6/1958: flowers of manchester

by larry on Feb 6, 2008 2:57 PM CST up reply actions

ha!

hahaahaha

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Feb 6, 2008 2:58 PM CST up reply actions

i know i know.

i oversimplified. but the point is still the same.

"They say that blood is thicker than water. What we have is thicker than blood."

by Toonderstrook on Feb 6, 2008 3:53 PM CST up reply actions

right

definitely keep the blood-soaked glove. just put it in the drier so it shrinks.

2/6/1958: flowers of manchester

by larry on Feb 6, 2008 3:56 PM CST up reply actions

ROFL!

Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.

by rhythm on Feb 6, 2008 5:30 PM CST up reply actions

As a former cop

And in today's society I could see him doing that. I just dont buy he would make all this up and make false evidence for the hell of it.

And I dont believe this Congress stuff either (in regards to truth telling on his part). I watched Marion Jones look at us for years and lie. As most of us who are married know, sometimes YOU believe your lies.

"There is not a liberal America and a conservative America. There is the United States of America."

by Tdogg on Feb 6, 2008 5:18 PM CST up reply actions

it's pretty weird, though

to be keeping bloody gauze and stuff. maybe he thought it would be a collector's item.

2/6/1958: flowers of manchester

by larry on Feb 6, 2008 5:21 PM CST up reply actions

feeling rather crappy

probably got something in this crappy weather

I don't know if I'll post anything this week, probably not...

by The Wizard on Feb 6, 2008 4:14 PM CST reply actions

Swish's online Journal

Copied from his website

January 24, 2008
Hey there!

I flew in last night from the Bay to Chicago for SoxFest 2008 and let me tell you...it is so cold--negative 15!

The last three weeks have been so hectic; I can't even begin to explain. The sting of the trade is almost gone now and I'm really looking forward to a new baseball season. The White Sox are a great organization with great players, in a great city, and they are a team that wants me. I am excited!

But let me take you back to a few weeks ago....Thursday, January 3 to be exact. I took my mom out for an early breakfast and the last thing I would ever dream was about to happen. Our food had just arrived when my phone rang and it was Billy Beane. "Hey Billy....Happy New Year!!!"

He said..."Swish...this is a really hard call to make but I've just traded you to the Chicago White Sox." From there on everything went into slow motion.... He said it again....and I thought....No way... ....Me....Swish....traded? I just signed a long-term contract with the A's, I just bought my very first home and was in the midst of moving in, and with the Haran trade, I was going to be the only player to actually live in the area in the off season near my team .... So... why me and why now?

As the weeks have gone by I realize that change is just part of life and being traded is part of baseball. It's just hard and that first time really hurts. There is so much uncertainty in baseball...but then there is uncertainty in life. The truth is I'm still living my dream and playing a game I love....just in a different uniform and in a different city. But hey, it's major league baseball and it doesn't get any better than that!

Let me say how much I love the fans here in Oakland and the Bay Area, my teammates and my friends....that's probably the real tough part. I've built some amazing relationships. But, I'm keeping my house and will be in the Bay much of the off-season -- and you better come out to the park when we come into town both in San Francisco and Oakland.

To all the A's fans....thank you for all of your letters and pictures. They mean the world to me. Please know I read all of them and do my best to answer each one in a timely manner. Thanks for being patient if I get a little behind. Please keep them coming!

And to my new fans in Chicago, thank you for welcoming me with your letters and I look forward to getting to know you and working hard with my teammates to bring another World Championship to the Chicago White Sox in 2008.

By the way, I'll be wearing number 30!

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Feb 6, 2008 6:13 PM CST reply actions

30 Swish

I'll hang up and listen to your answer.

by Hazymania on Feb 6, 2008 6:23 PM CST up reply actions

there's something distinctly

funny about referring to yourself in third person as "Swish".

His little smile pissed me off.

by colintj on Feb 6, 2008 6:27 PM CST up reply actions

I know... saw that too.

lmao

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Feb 6, 2008 6:49 PM CST up reply actions

i can see it now...

"dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox."

"They say that blood is thicker than water. What we have is thicker than blood."

by Toonderstrook on Feb 6, 2008 7:08 PM CST up reply actions

Swish is a family man

He don't party like he used to. Not ole Swish.

His little smile pissed me off.

by colintj on Feb 6, 2008 9:20 PM CST up reply actions

he was in the Palmer House bar

at midnight on Saturday of SoxFest. I'm fine with him partying. What I didn't like was him standing and talking with Jerry Owens.

Man, don't let any low-OBP stank rub off on you...

Mosi Tatupu! Mosi Tatupu!

by Nordhagen on Feb 6, 2008 9:49 PM CST up reply actions

I can't say this enough

I'm stoked to have Swisher on the Sox. If my luck with jerseys wasn't so terrible, I'd get myself a #30 before Opening Day. His personality and performance make him a difficult player to not like. If we're doing community projections for most/all of the Sox players, it'll be tough for me to not go with the ZiPS 'optimistic' line. If there's a Sox player primed for a 150 OPS+ this season, I'd say it's gotta be Swish (or Thme, if he stays healthy).

(Alright -- enough slobbering from me.)

by CWSKeith on Feb 6, 2008 7:10 PM CST up reply actions

fuckin' keyboard

that should say "Thome".

by CWSKeith on Feb 6, 2008 7:12 PM CST up reply actions

and he's got a really hot girlfriend

mrs. pods' replacement.

2/6/1958: flowers of manchester

by larry on Feb 6, 2008 7:43 PM CST up reply actions

Not that it matters....

but Swish is my #1 sleeper in fantasy this season, at least for me. Our league doesn't count AVG., but just OBP, so he takes a huge boost. I think Swish is going to have a fantastic season.

by Tony82087 on Feb 6, 2008 7:55 PM CST up reply actions

Let's talk Fantasy...

Not the werewolves and middle-earth kind... but baseball.

What stats do you guys keep? Sounds like not your standard 5x5... see I'm the commish for the second year in a row and I'm looking to mix it up. I want to do away with Wins and Losses and replace them with OBPA and Quality Starts. I added OBP to the standard 5 offensive cats, but I'm considering doing away with AVG and replacing it with SLG. I wanted to hear your thoughts on categories.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Feb 7, 2008 9:35 AM CST up reply actions

Fantasy

I'm really big into the standard 5x5 league, but the league im in does a total bases category, so in reality we are a 6x5. IMO, i think a 5x5 league with OPS, R, HR, SB, RBI and W, ERA, WHIP, SV, and K's is ideal.

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Feb 7, 2008 9:42 AM CST up reply actions

total bases, huh?

That sounds kinda cool. Rewards players for triples and doubles without having to have those categories as well.

I like that.

I think if I did away with AVG people would freak out. I'm afraid people will freak out if I leave out wins too. But quality starts is such a better measure!

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Feb 7, 2008 11:30 AM CST up reply actions

TB's

yeah, at first, i thought it would have a direct correlation with whichever team had the highest HR total would have the highest TB's, but that wasnt the case at all. so it makes a lot of the smaller named players a lot more valuable.

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Feb 7, 2008 11:41 AM CST up reply actions

Swish's Website

Who's sending him photos?

"Dude, attached is a picture of my hot girlfriend. It would be cool if you hook up with her. We're both big fans."

"Each one of my (off-season acquisition)targets has that edge to them, that go-getter attitude. We need it. We will embrace it." - Kenny Williams (11/28/07)

by tailgater on Feb 7, 2008 12:29 PM CST up reply actions

Just for fun...

Hello to everyone on the board. I'm a long time reader, new poster, and in light of the slow times before pitchers and catchers report, thought I'd throw a little something out there:

Trade Paul K for prospects, and/or back-end starter. And let Fields have 1st base (keeping Swish in the outfield for now).

I think Crede, if healthy, could once again man 3rd.

Let the hazing begin.

stooge

by stooge9 on Feb 6, 2008 10:29 PM CST reply actions