Pitching rotation realigned; Javy gets Opening Day start
Mark Gonzales reports the White Sox realigned the pitching rotation:
- Carl's latest 'Palehose 8' comic strip: Which Shows us the Lady of Don Guillote's Dreams.
- Scot Gregor says don't believe the 'Javy is the Opening Day starter' rumor. He says the two possible rotations Ozzie's considering are 'Vazquez, Buehrle, Floyd, Contreras, Danks' and 'Buehrle, Vazquez, Danks, Contreras and Floyd' but no decision has been made yet.
- Jim on Owens, Uribe, Fields and Joe Crede. And ChiPete penned has a couple questions for Ozzie. BTW, today Jim is AOL Fanhouse's guest poet.
- Ozzie is thinking about moving Swish to the leadoff spot from the #6-7 spot if Jesse's soreness persists.
- Patrick Sullivan: To Take or Not To Take (hat-tip Tango).
- Fangraphs now shows the pitches a pitcher throws. Here's Mark Buehrle: 58.8% FastBalls, 16.7% SLiders, 7.8% CuTters, 1.4% CurveBalls, 15.3% CHangeups (hat-tip Tango).
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Great the Pablo/Owens platoon
How about another novel idea. Send Owens to the bench so he and his groin can stay healthy for a bit. Put Anderson in CF, and Swisher can leadoff for all I care from LF. What is the facination with bantam weight speed guys. He keeps on saying how we are a better team with Jessie in the lineup. How. If he gets on sure, but I am not sold on the idea that he will get on enough to make a difference.
by southsideirish71 on Mar 12, 2008 11:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I like this rotation
by Soulja Boy on Mar 13, 2008 9:06 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Done Deal
Today's Trib Link: http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/cs-080312-jerry-owens-white-sox,1,6 676840.story
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 13, 2008 9:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Is there any possibility
by Tim from Texas on Mar 13, 2008 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ozzie? ozzie guillen?
you are talking about white sox manager ozzie guillen, right? the guy that publicly dresses down call-up pitchers for not beaning people, platoons rookie CFs with guys that don't play outfield, throws rookies under the bus with the media, etc.
that guy?
by thatshortkid on Mar 13, 2008 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mostly lean on the pessimistic
by stanchar on Mar 13, 2008 9:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Fuck?
The obvious solution is to plug BA into center where his defense will somewhat mask his offensive shortcomings and use Swisher in LF and Dye in RF.
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Richar and Fields should be everday players, Owens should not, it's that simple.
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The shakeup in the rotation is much ado about nothing. Who cares if MB is number 1 or 2? All these guys will get the same number of starts. Maybe the 5th guy gets skipped 3 times all year.
by madvillian on Mar 13, 2008 9:57 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well,
- Owens isn't a corner outfielder - he is a centerfielder.
- Personally I would like to give BA a shot in CF while Quentin gets healthy - with Swisher playing LF. IF BA still can't hit ML pitching, then move Swisher to CF and plug in Quentin at LF. Owens is nothing more than a 4th or 5th OF'er.
- Richar has shown nothing to be given the starting 2B job. I would rather have Ramirez there right now. Or send Ramirez to Charlotte for a month to get used to the position and then bring him back up. Richar is in Ozzie's doghouse and we know where that got BA.
- I think Uribe and Owens will be in the starting lineup come opening day...and that sickens me.
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 13, 2008 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
richar isn't in ozzie's doghouse
by larry on Mar 13, 2008 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True, but
That pissed Ozzie off.
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 13, 2008 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
late, sure.
by larry on Mar 13, 2008 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea
The fact that the Sox insist on playing a capable defensive CF who can't hit a lick at the easiest position boggles the mind.
As for Richar, obviously it's a small sample size but he managed a .689 OPS last year as a 24 year old. Obviously his OBP is horrible, but when the alternative is Juan Uribe, who has proven he sucks (and if he starts at 2nd is another example of playing a player out of position and losing his best value), a young Richar looks OK.
Obviously if he isn't healthy then he can't play, which is too bad.
by madvillian on Mar 13, 2008 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
out of position at 2B, huh
and i'm still quite curious about this strident belief that richar > uribe. they certainly look the same to me. and one can't even play right now.
by larry on Mar 13, 2008 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh no
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 13, 2008 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
bobby with a fat joke
by larry on Mar 13, 2008 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's my deal!
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 13, 2008 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Richar vs Uribe
Uribe on the other hand is being paid 4.5 million and in what should be his prime is putting up an OPS+ of 73. The guy sucks. I was a big Uribe supporter in 2005 and 2006. Now, according to the fielding bible he's fallen off from a very good SS to a pretty bad one. Did I mention he can't hit?
Richar is cheaper, younger, and arguably will give more production this year then Uribe.
by madvillian on Mar 13, 2008 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
one might posit
by larry on Mar 13, 2008 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure
I'm not arguing that Richar is some savior. I'm just saying that in a year the Sox figure at best to win about 85 games that they should figure out which of their cheap young position players is worth keeping.
by madvillian on Mar 13, 2008 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that argument was better made
by larry on Mar 13, 2008 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sunk Cost
Saving the service time? Come on, that's not even a factor here. Richar's arb clock is already ticking and his service time from here on out should be on the extreme back burner in arguments for and against playing him.
Anyways, you're right that this argument is officialy moot until Richar is healthy.
I take it you think, regardless of cost, that Uribe will produce more than Richar this year. And furthermore, that this production gain this year will be worth it as the Sox are close enough to contention that it will matter?
Those are two assumptions I'm not ready to make, especially the latter.
by madvillian on Mar 13, 2008 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, i don't think that
if a team decides to "go for it", i'd rather they wouldn't half-ass it. uribe should be the starter as things stand right now - either because he's presently winning the job in an open competition or by default considering richar isn't ready. once richar is back healthy and has had his ABs in AAA, if uribe is playing as poorly as your "assumption" assumes, then richar should be given every opportunity to take the job from him. until then, it's pretty silly to be whining that uribe has the job when the alternative is pablo ozuna, not richar.
and "cost" is somewhat irrelevant at this point. you said it yourself - he's a sunk cost. he's likely untradable. look at the market for middle infielders. it declined quite rapidly after the sox made their two middle infield moves. uribe isn't worth that contract to anyone at this point.
by larry on Mar 13, 2008 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, Agreed
Ideally the team should realize that they aren't contenders and trade Uribe for a bag of balls at the deadline. If the team isn't contending (and by that I mean over .500) then they sure as hell better realize that.
Richar and Uribe are projected to both pretty much stink at the plate. Richar is young enough where he might improve. Uribe, somehow, has been regressing when he should be in his prime.
I'm always going to favor playing young cheap players over over-priced veterans on a team in the Sox' position.
The fact is though that management has a different idea of their "position" than I do -- and you're right: they will play Uribe because of it.
by madvillian on Mar 13, 2008 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
now that's just unfair
by larry on Mar 13, 2008 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm glad Javy gets the start
Don't want Mark to start the season off with a L
by Option27 on Mar 13, 2008 10:33 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Swish to the rescue
by Ryno on Mar 13, 2008 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOW, JUST WOW.
by ballyb on Mar 13, 2008 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ozzie will have to sit Swisher against CC.
by ballyb on Mar 13, 2008 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ROFL
by Soulja Boy on Mar 13, 2008 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Way to show faith in your team
(messing with you)
by Big Daddy Kool on Mar 13, 2008 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Red Sox release C Doug Mirabelli...
More to follow.
by SSH2005 on Mar 13, 2008 11:34 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What about Wakefield Now?
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 13, 2008 11:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i'm sure he's in the corner
i'm sure wakefield is adult enough to realize that mirabelli hurts the team more than he helps.
by larry on Mar 13, 2008 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any thoughts on whether he could help
by rhythm on Mar 13, 2008 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's a below replacement level player
by larry on Mar 13, 2008 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only reason he was on the roster
by winningugly on Mar 13, 2008 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and that reason wasn't
by larry on Mar 13, 2008 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Off Topic - Billy Crystal
Maybe it's just my jealousy rearing its ugly head, but I'm hoping he makes a few errors on the field, goes 0-3 and, at his last at bat, is drilled by a 95 mph heater. So, he'll at least get on base once.
But that's just me.
by tailgater on Mar 13, 2008 12:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hes going to DH
by omnipotent grab on Mar 13, 2008 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
gater, gater
by Toonderstrook on Mar 13, 2008 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, at least WU has faced REAL
Even if it was from the '70s and '80s, and thrown from a wheelchair.
by Chiburb on Mar 13, 2008 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Dennis Miller
Please stop mentioning Hannah Montana. I listen to that music every friggin' morning taking my kids to school. Those songs are burned on my brain. Aaaaaagh!
by tailgater on Mar 13, 2008 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rich Dotson and JB Baldwin
Except you are too deaf to hear it, codger!
Gater, were you honked when Garth Brooks played for the Pads in ST a few years back? I could care less, just am sick of hearing BC as if he's the biggest Yankee fan ever. Shut up, already, Mr. Saturday Night! Go feed some homeless people, adopt a Darfurian kid, or cry at the Wailing Wall, but enough feeble attempts at recapturing your youth!
(Signed, Mr. WS Fantasy Camp attendee in perpetutity.)
by winningugly on Mar 13, 2008 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bah. Even I can outrun them...
by Chiburb on Mar 13, 2008 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Garth didn't bother me
I guess that's what's honking me off...much like having to tolerate Spike Lee or Jack Nicholson jumping up and down courtside. It's just annoying.
by tailgater on Mar 13, 2008 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Billy Crystal Update
TAMPA, Fla. -- Cast as the leadoff hitter in the Yankees' lineup on Thursday against the Pirates, Billy Crystal produced a foul ball on the second pitch from left-handed starter Paul Maholm before striking out on a 3-2 count, ending his brief tenure with the Bombers. Johnny Damon replaced Crystal as DH in the third inning.
The whole dopey story here:
by tailgater on Mar 13, 2008 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no
by larry on Mar 13, 2008 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you implying
He definitely needs 1.5 months to prepare. He needs AT LEAST that long just to get through "KFC Withdrawal."
by tailgater on Mar 13, 2008 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i've never been on the bandwagon
by larry on Mar 13, 2008 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Many a time
Besides, I'm an equal-opportunity heckler.
by tailgater on Mar 13, 2008 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Make that "refrigerator"
by tailgater on Mar 13, 2008 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And buners = burners
by tailgater on Mar 13, 2008 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
a bit of extra weight
by larry on Mar 13, 2008 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you are working for Hillary, lar,
by winningugly on Mar 13, 2008 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey! A Uribe Fat Joke
Larry is very sentimental towards Juan and his weight today.
True Juan is just as fat in February as he is in September, but compare that to 2005 when he actually was a decent player and about 50lbs lighter.
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 13, 2008 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wasn't everyone better in 2005?
by larry on Mar 13, 2008 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ozzie's right
if you're fat and bad, you're fat.
by Nordhagen on Mar 13, 2008 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
by larry on Mar 13, 2008 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Has nothing to do with LHP or RHP
.224 vs LHP
.244 vs. RHP
BUT, 2007 shows:
.257 vs. LHP
.225 vs. RHP
On the whole, I would say most people would say losing 50lbs of fat would indeed make you a better hitter than adding 50lbs of fat. We all know that the weight Uribe added was not muscle.
I am not saying their aren't exceptions...but look at Uribe's stats before he gained the 50 lbs compared to his stats in 2006 and 2007.
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 13, 2008 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe you forgot
you know, the point of my post.
by larry on Mar 13, 2008 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No smirking today, larry
by winningugly on Mar 13, 2008 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that was more of a sigh
we'll see if i get over there. there's quite an eclectic crew for these but well attended. they get tiresome sometimes, though, especially this time of year because you've got all these fantasy guys asking each panelist for who they should pick in their drafts. i walked out of one a few years ago after literally the 6th person asked x player v. y player - who should i draft?
by larry on Mar 13, 2008 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry I wasted everyone's time
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 13, 2008 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I get the whole BABIP
by dantesox on Mar 13, 2008 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sure
at any rate, explain it however you want. maybe he was seeing lefties better that year. my point was that's the difference between 2005 and the last two years. and that difference against just left-handers isn't going to be attributable to his weight, whatever it was.
by larry on Mar 13, 2008 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know I was...
That really was a good year.
by Hazymania on Mar 14, 2008 2:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
White Sox in the market for a CF'er?
One major league evaluator yesterday suggested that the Cincinnati Reds, Chicago White Sox, Pittsburgh Pirates and Texas Rangers all could be in the market for a center fielder, but there were assorted reasons to believe that the Red Sox would not be a fit with any of those clubs.
by SSH2005 on Mar 13, 2008 1:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We have enough .700 OPS guys
by Chiburb on Mar 13, 2008 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
SSH, I believe larry
1. random rotoworld link on player most on this site thought no longer played baseball and how he would be great on the sox
Your post above could be encapsulated simply by:
1.
by winningugly on Mar 13, 2008 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would've been #1, but I think
At least SSH gave me my sig line!
by Chiburb on Mar 13, 2008 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Next time, Chi
by winningugly on Mar 13, 2008 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah. Now I remember.
by Chiburb on Mar 13, 2008 1:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
But forgot to reply to WU.
by Chiburb on Mar 13, 2008 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
post updated, links added
"He's one of those dumb guys, and that's a good thing. He doesn't over-think anything; he just goes out and busts his tail and does everything he can to win. We've been missing that around here since (Aaron) Rowand left.''
by The Wizard on Mar 13, 2008 3:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You wonder why his teammates love him
(Also, black pot = black kettle.)
by winningugly on Mar 13, 2008 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
appreciate the clarification
by onlysoxfaninboston on Mar 13, 2008 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Summa Cum Laude AJ.
by ballyb on Mar 13, 2008 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
NAW
by Soulja Boy on Mar 13, 2008 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey, 'swagger' is copyrighted by kenny!
Rollins: I've never been cocky. But you've gotta have that swagger to play the game. If you don't have swag, you'll find yourself getting out of the game quick. Or you just won't be marketable. That's one thing I always tell Chase [Utley, Phillies teammate]: "Chase, smile a little bit. You're good; you have the looks. You just have to show that you have personality. You're a marketer's dream."
by The Wizard on Mar 13, 2008 3:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Actually...
Kenny owns "Chicago Tough"
by Brush Back on Mar 13, 2008 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh
by Pollyhelp630 on Mar 13, 2008 8:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
In a selfish way
by Brush Back on Mar 13, 2008 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ouch - Red Sox ringtones being advertised on SSS
by Brush Back on Mar 13, 2008 9:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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