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Pitching rotation realigned; Javy gets Opening Day start

Mark Gonzales reports the White Sox realigned the pitching rotation:

With less than three weeks before the March 31 season opener, the White Sox's rotation is on the verge of a major realignment. Manager Ozzie Guillen said Wednesday Javier Vazquez would be the starter on Opening Day against Cleveland instead of Mark Buehrle, and Gavin Floyd would flop to the third spot in the rotation with John Danks if the season started Thursday. ... Guillen said Floyd's effort has sold him on moving him up from the fifth spot, with left-hander Danks tentatively scheduled to slide to the fifth spot. "Gavin Floyd has the stuff to be the No. 2 pitcher," Guillen said. "Hopefully not too far away he can be a No. 1. But he has good enough stuff to be one of those guys." ... The proposed realignment, which could be solidified as soon as Saturday, would mean left-hander Buehrle would slide to the second spot. ... Guillen also wants to avoid having Danks and Buehrle pitch on consecutive days because they're left-handers with similar styles. Jose Contreras would remain the No. 4 starter under any alignment, Guillen said.
and Ozzie on who'll hit leadoff:
With Owens out for the time being, Guillen was asked about his options for the leadoff spot. "Cabrera is a real good No. 2 hitter," the manager said, indicating that he would leave the shortstop in the second hole. "My lead off hitter needs to do two things: get on base and score runs." Guillen said he is comfortable with Nick Swisher filling that role or a combination of Owens and Pablo Ozuna.
BTW, Alexei Ramirez will bat leadoff Friday (offday tomorrow).
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Great the Pablo/Owens platoon
Didnt we have this before with Pods.  

How about another novel idea.  Send Owens to the bench so he and his groin can stay healthy for a bit.  Put Anderson in CF, and Swisher can leadoff for all I care from LF.  What is the facination with bantam weight speed guys.  He keeps on saying how we are a better team with Jessie in the lineup.  How.  If he gets on sure, but I am not sold on the idea that he will get on enough to make a difference.  

by southsideirish71 on Mar 12, 2008 11:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...
Owens/Ozuna = Pods/Ozuna

Anyways, that would be my lineup right now if Quentin isn't healthy.  It definitely would help our outfield defense with Swisher in LF and Anderson in CF.  Even better if Dye and Swisher swapped corners.

by SSH2005 on Mar 12, 2008 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like this rotation
I figured this was going to be the rotation from the start but, I though Guillen already said MB would be his opening day starter?
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by Soulja Boy on Mar 13, 2008 9:06 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Done Deal
"If [Owens] is in the lineup, we'll do better," Guillen said.

Today's Trib Link:  http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/cs-080312-jerry-owens-white-sox,1,6 676840.story

Ozzie: "He got a [migraine] headache. I believe him because he's a real religious guy. Someone else tells me they have a migraine, I know they are hung over."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 13, 2008 9:21 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Is there any possibility
that Ozzie says this stuff about Owens because he's trying to be encouraging to the kid?  He might actually be doing what you would expect a manager to do for a young player by being positive and he'll make his decisions as time goes on. He isn't necessarily an incompetent in leading a baseball team.
Show mercy. I get to watch the Rangers.

by Tim from Texas on Mar 13, 2008 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ozzie? ozzie guillen?
...because he's trying to be encouraging to the kid? He might actually be doing what you would expect a manager to do for a young player by being positive...

you are talking about white sox manager ozzie guillen, right? the guy that publicly dresses down call-up pitchers for not beaning people, platoons rookie CFs with guys that don't play outfield, throws rookies under the bus with the media, etc.

that guy?

by thatshortkid on Mar 13, 2008 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I mostly lean on the pessimistic
side of things....but I must say I am encouraged by a lot of things this spring....not ready to say we will make the postseason, but I think we can keep it pretty compelling deep into the summer.

by stanchar on Mar 13, 2008 9:39 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The Fuck?
What is this White Sox lunacy with shitty corner outfielders who shouldn't even be in the Show?  First we have Pods, who turned in one above average half-season and sucked ass the rest of the time.  Then we have Erstad; now we have Owens -- who couldn't even manage an OPS above .700 in the minors!

The obvious solution is to plug BA into center where his defense will somewhat mask his offensive shortcomings and use Swisher in LF and Dye in RF.

...

Richar and Fields should be everday players, Owens should not, it's that simple.

...

The shakeup in the rotation is much ado about nothing.  Who cares if MB is number 1 or 2?  All these guys will get the same number of starts.  Maybe the 5th guy gets skipped 3 times all year.

by madvillian on Mar 13, 2008 9:57 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well,
  1.  Owens isn't a corner outfielder - he is a centerfielder.
  2.  Personally I would like to give BA a shot in CF while Quentin gets healthy - with Swisher playing LF.  IF BA still can't hit ML pitching, then move Swisher to CF and plug in Quentin at LF.  Owens is nothing more than a 4th or 5th OF'er.
  3.  Richar has shown nothing to be given the starting 2B job.  I would rather have Ramirez there right now.  Or send Ramirez to Charlotte for a month to get used to the position and then bring him back up.  Richar is in Ozzie's doghouse and we know where that got BA.
  4.  I think Uribe and Owens will be in the starting lineup come opening day...and that sickens me.
Ozzie: "He got a [migraine] headache. I believe him because he's a real religious guy. Someone else tells me they have a migraine, I know they are hung over."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 13, 2008 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

richar isn't in ozzie's doghouse
he's in herm's training room. you can't win a job if you don't play. i imagine most people can figure that out.

by larry on Mar 13, 2008 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

True, but
He was a week late getting to camp, plus he did not report his injury until the start of the third week of camp.

That pissed Ozzie off.

Ozzie: "He got a [migraine] headache. I believe him because he's a real religious guy. Someone else tells me they have a migraine, I know they are hung over."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 13, 2008 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

late, sure.
"report" his injury? everyone knew he had a back problem. i knew it. wiz knew it. if the sox didn't know it, there's a serious problem that doesn't involve danny.

by larry on Mar 13, 2008 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yea
I mean, obviously a guy that can play CF and can't hit is more valuable than a guy (Pods!) who can't even play LF well and can't hit.

The fact that the Sox insist on playing a capable defensive CF who can't hit a lick at the easiest position boggles the mind.

As for Richar, obviously it's a small sample size but he managed a .689 OPS last year as a 24 year old.  Obviously his OBP is horrible, but when the alternative is Juan Uribe, who has proven he sucks (and if he starts at 2nd is another example of playing a player out of position and losing his best value), a young Richar looks OK.

Obviously if he isn't healthy then he can't play, which is too bad.

by madvillian on Mar 13, 2008 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

out of position at 2B, huh
one might argue quite well that a SS who has seen his defensive skills diminish each of the past two years would be best served moving to 2B.

and i'm still quite curious about this strident belief that richar > uribe. they certainly look the same to me. and one can't even play right now.

by larry on Mar 13, 2008 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh no
We are now defending big-boned Uribe.
Ozzie: "He got a [migraine] headache. I believe him because he's a real religious guy. Someone else tells me they have a migraine, I know they are hung over."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 13, 2008 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's my deal!
Ozzie: "He got a [migraine] headache. I believe him because he's a real religious guy. Someone else tells me they have a migraine, I know they are hung over."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 13, 2008 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Richar vs Uribe
Richar put up over an .850 OPS split between AAA in Charlotte and the PCL last year.  Then he came up and had a decent (for a 24 year old infielder) quarter season in MLB.

Uribe on the other hand is being paid 4.5 million and in what should be his prime is putting up an OPS+ of 73.  The guy sucks.  I was a big Uribe supporter in 2005 and 2006.  Now, according to the fielding bible he's fallen off from a very good SS to a pretty bad one.  Did I mention he can't hit?

Richar is cheaper, younger, and arguably will give more production this year then Uribe.

by madvillian on Mar 13, 2008 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

one might posit
that .850 OPS in a bit more than half season of AAA as a 24 year old is similar to the .835 another player put up in the majors as a 24 year old. you know, abberation.

by larry on Mar 13, 2008 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure
One might.  One might also posit that three straight years of a an OPS+ under 81, a constant commitment problem, and a 4.5 million dollar salary should be either traded or used as a super sub.

I'm not arguing that Richar is some savior.  I'm just saying that in a year the Sox figure at best to win about 85 games that they should figure out which of their cheap young position players is worth keeping.

by madvillian on Mar 13, 2008 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that argument was better made
three months ago. and was beaten into the ground around the same time. uribe signed in november. the sox decided to "go for it" this year around the same time. if you're doing that, the choice of uribe is not the unobvious one - especially considering one has barely played and is rather unlikely to even be ready to go in 2.5 weeks, let alone may 1. some would say the better idea would be to do the same thing the sox did with tadahito last year and save the service time on a player who can't even play baseball right now.

by larry on Mar 13, 2008 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sunk Cost
Uribe's stupid contract is a sunk cost.  It doesn't make any sense to compound the mistake by playing him as the everyday 2B.

Saving the service time?  Come on, that's not even a factor here.  Richar's arb clock is already ticking and his service time from here on out should be on the extreme back burner in arguments for and against playing him.  

Anyways, you're right that this argument is officialy moot until Richar is healthy.

I take it you think, regardless of cost, that Uribe will produce more than Richar this year.  And furthermore, that this production gain this year will be worth it as the Sox are close enough to contention that it will matter?

Those are two assumptions I'm not ready to make, especially the latter.

by madvillian on Mar 13, 2008 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

no, i don't think that
i'm simply not going to make an assumption either way because there's no evidence strongly supporting either player. neither has a track record of doing much of anything. projections suggest that, all things considered, their production would be about the same.

if a team decides to "go for it", i'd rather they wouldn't half-ass it. uribe should be the starter as things stand right now - either because he's presently winning the job in an open competition or by default considering richar isn't ready. once richar is back healthy and has had his ABs in AAA, if uribe is playing as poorly as your "assumption" assumes, then richar should be given every opportunity to take the job from him. until then, it's pretty silly to be whining that uribe has the job when the alternative is pablo ozuna, not richar.

and "cost" is somewhat irrelevant at this point. you said it yourself - he's a sunk cost. he's likely untradable. look at the market for middle infielders. it declined quite rapidly after the sox made their two middle infield moves. uribe isn't worth that contract to anyone at this point.

by larry on Mar 13, 2008 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, Agreed
Pragmatically, given the that Sox' attidude is "go for it", (and assuming all future moves will be made with that in mimd) then they should play Uribe.

Ideally the team should realize that they aren't contenders and trade Uribe for a bag of balls at the deadline.  If the team isn't contending (and by that I mean over .500) then they sure as hell better realize that.

Richar and Uribe are projected to both pretty much stink at the plate.  Richar is young enough where he might improve.  Uribe, somehow, has been regressing when he should be in his prime.  

I'm always going to favor playing young cheap players over over-priced veterans on a team in the Sox' position.

The fact is though that management has a different idea of their "position" than I do -- and you're right: they will play Uribe because of it.

by madvillian on Mar 13, 2008 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

now that's just unfair
jerry was well above .700 in the minors. he was to the lofty heights of .730.

by larry on Mar 13, 2008 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm glad Javy gets the start
Sabathia always kills the Sox anyways.

Don't want Mark to start the season off with a L

AIM : Option27

by Option27 on Mar 13, 2008 10:33 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Swish to the rescue
Career vs. Sabathia: .385/.500/.462/.962

by Ryno on Mar 13, 2008 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

WOW, JUST WOW.
Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 13, 2008 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ozzie will have to sit Swisher against CC.
We all know "I don't even know why we play these games," against CC, Beckett and of course Johan.
Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 13, 2008 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ROFL
BECKETT? Not so much...
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by Soulja Boy on Mar 13, 2008 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Way to show faith in your team
White Sox baseball fan blogs: Where Pessimism rules.

(messing with you)

by Big Daddy Kool on Mar 13, 2008 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Red Sox release C Doug Mirabelli...
"Mirabelli Released"
This may or may not come as a surprise, but the Red Sox released catcher Doug Mirabelli this morning, opening up a spot for Kevin Cash on the 25-man roster.

More to follow.

by SSH2005 on Mar 13, 2008 11:34 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

What about Wakefield Now?
Ozzie: "He got a [migraine] headache. I believe him because he's a real religious guy. Someone else tells me they have a migraine, I know they are hung over."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 13, 2008 11:37 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

i'm sure he's in the corner
by his locker, weeping softly.

i'm sure wakefield is adult enough to realize that mirabelli hurts the team more than he helps.

by larry on Mar 13, 2008 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Any thoughts on whether he could help
the White Sox?
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.

by rhythm on Mar 13, 2008 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

he's a below replacement level player
we have those already. and in spades at his position.

by larry on Mar 13, 2008 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The only reason he was on the roster
was to catch Wakefield. Unless the Haegermeister comes up we have no need for his services.  He should be called Bob Buhl's old nickname - "Cancer Bat".
Hey man, this game is a bunch of front-runners. If you're good, they kiss your butt. If not, you're horse s---.

by winningugly on Mar 13, 2008 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and that reason wasn't
a particularly good one. his better reason to be on a roster is in a strict platoon against lefties. he plays good enough defense still (i think - hard to tell when he only catches a knuckler and stealing is that much easier) to be a backup somewhere.

by larry on Mar 13, 2008 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Off Topic - Billy Crystal
Anyone else annoyed this pud gets to play in a professional ballgame today due to his (has been) "celebrity status"?

Maybe it's just my jealousy rearing its ugly head, but I'm hoping he makes a few errors on the field, goes 0-3 and, at his last at bat, is drilled by a 95 mph heater. So, he'll at least get on base once.

But that's just me.

Share the passion, show the swagger

by tailgater on Mar 13, 2008 12:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

gater, gater
how about a little consistency? you don't seem to mind that winningugly's celebrity gets him access to all of the latest hannah montana swag. ;-)
"They say that blood is thicker than water. What we have is thicker than blood."

by Toonderstrook on Mar 13, 2008 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, at least WU has faced REAL
Major League pitching...
Even if it was from the '70s and '80s, and thrown from a wheelchair.
Next time, Bhoov, do some research.

by Chiburb on Mar 13, 2008 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe Dennis Miller
but my understanding is Billy isn't the nicest guy in "real life" (much like Bill Murray), so since he's only DH-ing I hope he gets plunked everytime.

Please stop mentioning Hannah Montana. I listen to that music every friggin' morning taking my kids to school. Those songs are burned on my brain. Aaaaaagh!

Share the passion, show the swagger

by tailgater on Mar 13, 2008 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rich Dotson and JB Baldwin
are ringing your doorbell right now, Chi.

Except you are too deaf to hear it, codger!

Gater, were you honked when Garth Brooks played for the Pads in ST a few years back?  I could care less, just am sick of hearing BC as if he's the biggest Yankee fan ever.  Shut up, already, Mr. Saturday Night!  Go feed some homeless people, adopt a Darfurian kid, or cry at the Wailing Wall, but enough feeble attempts at recapturing your youth!

(Signed, Mr. WS Fantasy Camp attendee in perpetutity.)

Hey man, this game is a bunch of front-runners. If you're good, they kiss your butt. If not, you're horse s---.

by winningugly on Mar 13, 2008 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bah. Even I can outrun them...
And yeah, put Crystal up there with Spike Lee and Jack Nicholson as most annoying celebrity fans.  At least Dyan Cannon's boobs would bounce.
Next time, Bhoov, do some research.

by Chiburb on Mar 13, 2008 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Garth didn't bother me
I believe that was part of some charity effort and my take is that Garth was somewhat serious about playing ball and not just "a big fan." Plus, Garth is a cool guy with big belt buckles.

I guess that's what's honking me off...much like having to tolerate Spike Lee or Jack Nicholson jumping up and down courtside. It's just annoying.

Share the passion, show the swagger

by tailgater on Mar 13, 2008 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Billy Crystal Update
0 for 1 - he struck out (good). From MLB.com:

TAMPA, Fla. -- Cast as the leadoff hitter in the Yankees' lineup on Thursday against the Pirates, Billy Crystal produced a foul ball on the second pitch from left-handed starter Paul Maholm before striking out on a 3-2 count, ending his brief tenure with the Bombers. Johnny Damon replaced Crystal as DH in the third inning.

The whole dopey story here:

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080313&content_id=2423946&vkey=spt2008news&fex t=.jsp&c_id=nyy

Share the passion, show the swagger

by tailgater on Mar 13, 2008 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

no
ST is a colossal joke already. the point is to wring money from the fans. no professional athlete in this day and age needs 1.5 months to prepare for a season. if the yankees want to treat it exactly how it's become, more power to them. there's a reason they have and spend more money than any other team. i'd watch billy cystal play ST baseball a lot sooner than i'd watch just about anyone else play ST baseball. and i'd imagine that's the point.

by larry on Mar 13, 2008 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you implying
Juan Uribe isn't a professional athlete?

He definitely needs 1.5 months to prepare. He needs AT LEAST that long just to get through "KFC Withdrawal."

Share the passion, show the swagger

by tailgater on Mar 13, 2008 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i've never been on the bandwagon
that uribe was "out of shape." you're out of shape when your skills are hurt by your weight or lack of conditioning. uribe doesn't meet that description. he looks exactly the same in late february when he reports as he looks in september. some people are pudgy (always amuses me that "softy" paul konerko doesn't get any stick for his weight; i'll leave to others to speculate as to some of the reasons for that).

by larry on Mar 13, 2008 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Many a time
I've yelled for Paulie to "Get that refigerator off your back!" Not a whole lot of speed buners in that line-up.

Besides, I'm an equal-opportunity heckler.

Share the passion, show the swagger

by tailgater on Mar 13, 2008 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Make that "refrigerator"
Share the passion, show the swagger

by tailgater on Mar 13, 2008 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And buners = burners
Fingers not working today.
Share the passion, show the swagger

by tailgater on Mar 13, 2008 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

a bit of extra weight
isn't exactly an issue for running 90 feet. PK losing weight isn't going to help his speed. arguably other areas, though.

by larry on Mar 13, 2008 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you are working for Hillary, lar,
it's time to resign.
Hey man, this game is a bunch of front-runners. If you're good, they kiss your butt. If not, you're horse s---.

by winningugly on Mar 13, 2008 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey! A Uribe Fat Joke
and I didn't say it.

Larry is very sentimental towards Juan and his weight today.

True Juan is just as fat in February as he is in September, but compare that to 2005 when he actually was a decent player and about 50lbs lighter.

Ozzie: "He got a [migraine] headache. I believe him because he's a real religious guy. Someone else tells me they have a migraine, I know they are hung over."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 13, 2008 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

wasn't everyone better in 2005?
you can largely chalk up the difference between 2005 and the past two seasons to luck versus left-handers in 2005. i've never heard anyone say that being "50lbs lighter" makes you a better hitter against lefties.

by larry on Mar 13, 2008 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ozzie's right
if you're fat and good, you're good (M Cabrera, C.C.).

if you're fat and bad, you're fat.

Lord, beer me strength.

by Nordhagen on Mar 13, 2008 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah
it's not like there's anything in uribe's career that says "boy, if only he were 50lbs lighter he'd be a good player." he's doing pretty much what you'd expect from looking at his career. i've always assumed that 2004 spiked the expectations for uribe amongst sox fans to inordinately high levels. most people on this site should be smart enough by now to identify the biases and traps that fans fall into.

by larry on Mar 13, 2008 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Has nothing to do with LHP or RHP
Uribe's splits for 2006 show him batting:
.224 vs LHP
.244 vs. RHP

BUT, 2007 shows:
.257 vs. LHP
.225 vs. RHP

On the whole, I would say most people would say losing 50lbs of fat would indeed make you a better hitter than adding 50lbs of fat.  We all know that the weight Uribe added was not muscle.

I am not saying their aren't exceptions...but look at Uribe's stats before he gained the 50 lbs compared to his stats in 2006 and 2007.

Ozzie: "He got a [migraine] headache. I believe him because he's a real religious guy. Someone else tells me they have a migraine, I know they are hung over."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 13, 2008 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe you forgot
2005: .311 v. LHP. or, perhaps more appropriately, a .347 BABIP against them from a guy whose career average BABIP is 60 points lower.

you know, the point of my post.

by larry on Mar 13, 2008 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No smirking today, larry
(Tell me you didn't say it out loud.)  You're headed to the lecture, right?  How many statheads usually show up for these things?
Hey man, this game is a bunch of front-runners. If you're good, they kiss your butt. If not, you're horse s---.

by winningugly on Mar 13, 2008 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that was more of a sigh
one of my pet peeves is when people don't read what they're replying to. waste of everyone's time.

we'll see if i get over there. there's quite an eclectic crew for these but well attended. they get tiresome sometimes, though, especially this time of year because you've got all these fantasy guys asking each panelist for who they should pick in their drafts. i walked out of one a few years ago after literally the 6th person asked x player v. y player - who should i draft?

by larry on Mar 13, 2008 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry I wasted everyone's time
Ozzie: "He got a [migraine] headache. I believe him because he's a real religious guy. Someone else tells me they have a migraine, I know they are hung over."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 13, 2008 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'll take
accepting your apology under advisement. ;)

by larry on Mar 13, 2008 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I get the whole BABIP
thing, but isn't it POSSIBLE inordinately high BAPIP's for a particular year are actually as a result of higher percentages of line drives/solid contact? As for the weight, I don't think anyone could argue that it certainly couldn't for Uribe to be his weight of 2002 or 2003, everything being equal. Perhaps a few more leg hits, for one thing. I would like to think it is his defense that it has more effect, although, ironicaaly, I myself never, by eye, saw this dramatic decline in defense; however, I can hardly argue with most of the defensive metrics that apparently say he has.

by dantesox on Mar 13, 2008 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

sure
but just against left-handers? just in one year?

at any rate, explain it however you want. maybe he was seeing lefties better that year. my point was that's the difference between 2005 and the last two years. and that difference against just left-handers isn't going to be attributable to his weight, whatever it was.

by larry on Mar 13, 2008 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know I was...
AND I was roughly 50-pounds lighter too... well 30 anyway.  

That really was a good year.

I'll hang up and listen to your answer.

by Hazymania on Mar 14, 2008 2:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

White Sox in the market for a CF'er?
Link:
Yesterday, WFAN radio in New York reported that the Sox had reached a deal with the New York Mets for 26-year-old outfielder Angel Pagan, but the Sox dismissed the story as a complete fabrication and said they have not had any discussions with the Mets.

One major league evaluator yesterday suggested that the Cincinnati Reds, Chicago White Sox, Pittsburgh Pirates and Texas Rangers all could be in the market for a center fielder, but there were assorted reasons to believe that the Red Sox would not be a fit with any of those clubs.

by SSH2005 on Mar 13, 2008 1:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

We have enough .700 OPS guys
No thx.
Next time, Bhoov, do some research.

by Chiburb on Mar 13, 2008 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

SSH, I believe larry
was trying to save you (and us) energy yesterday:

1.  random rotoworld link on player most on this site thought no longer played baseball and how he would be great on the sox

Your post above could be encapsulated simply by:

1.

Hey man, this game is a bunch of front-runners. If you're good, they kiss your butt. If not, you're horse s---.

by winningugly on Mar 13, 2008 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That would've been #1, but I think
Puke took the top spot.

At least SSH gave me my sig line!

Next time, Bhoov, do some research.

by Chiburb on Mar 13, 2008 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Next time, Chi
do some research.  pukes was #3.
Hey man, this game is a bunch of front-runners. If you're good, they kiss your butt. If not, you're horse s---.

by winningugly on Mar 13, 2008 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah. Now I remember.
Next time, Bhoov, do some research.

by Chiburb on Mar 13, 2008 1:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

But forgot to reply to WU.
Will you still need me, will you still feed me...
Next time, Bhoov, do some research.

by Chiburb on Mar 13, 2008 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

post updated, links added
[Scot Gregor]:
When asked about new left fielder Nick Swisher, one member of the White Sox (who wished to remain anonymous) laid it on the table.

"He's one of those dumb guys, and that's a good thing. He doesn't over-think anything; he just goes out and busts his tail and does everything he can to win. We've been missing that around here since (Aaron) Rowand left.''

by The Wizard on Mar 13, 2008 3:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You wonder why his teammates love him
everywhere he goes, don't ya?

(Also, black pot = black kettle.)

Hey man, this game is a bunch of front-runners. If you're good, they kiss your butt. If not, you're horse s---.

by winningugly on Mar 13, 2008 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Summa Cum Laude AJ.
Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 13, 2008 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

NAW
I BET IT WAS URIBE.
Toonderstrook's myspace page http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=67492521

by Soulja Boy on Mar 13, 2008 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

NAW
Uribe was quoted as saying...

"I love baseball very much. I miss Aaron very much. Why no hot wings at the buffet table?"

Share the passion, show the swagger

by tailgater on Mar 13, 2008 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hey, 'swagger' is copyrighted by kenny!
[BBTF]:
Men's Journal: A year ago, you said your Phillies were the team to beat and people called you "cocky." Then you edged out the New York Mets on the last day of the season. Still feeling cocky?

Rollins: I've never been cocky. But you've gotta have that swagger to play the game. If you don't have swag, you'll find yourself getting out of the game quick. Or you just won't be marketable. That's one thing I always tell Chase [Utley, Phillies teammate]: "Chase, smile a little bit. You're good; you have the looks. You just have to show that you have personality. You're a marketer's dream."

by The Wizard on Mar 13, 2008 3:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Actually...
Didn't Lou start the swagger #$## last year?

Kenny owns "Chicago Tough"

So instead of a big splash, there were ripples -- enough to change the tide, Williams believes

by Brush Back on Mar 13, 2008 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes
Right up until the Scrubs swaggered their way right out of the playoffs.

Bwaaa, ha, ha, ha!

I'm so happy baseball season is starting.

Share the passion, show the swagger

by tailgater on Mar 13, 2008 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ugh
I'm really glad to see Javy get the start.

by Pollyhelp630 on Mar 13, 2008 8:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

In a selfish way
I'm glad because Mark will then be opening day starter at home...
So instead of a big splash, there were ripples -- enough to change the tide, Williams believes

by Brush Back on Mar 13, 2008 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ouch - Red Sox ringtones being advertised on SSS
So instead of a big splash, there were ripples -- enough to change the tide, Williams believes

by Brush Back on Mar 13, 2008 9:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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