Spring Training Game #20: White Sox @ D'backs -- Gavin Floyd vs. Dan Haren

by The Wizard on Mar 16, 2008 2:43 PM CDT in Game Threads

Time: 3:05 p.m. CT, TV: CSN, MLB.tv (Live Boxscore; MLB Gameday)

Sox: Owens, CF; Cabrera, SS; Swisher, LF; Konerko, 1B; Dye, RF; Pierzynski, C; Crede, 3B; Uribe, 2B; Floyd, P

Young, CF; Burke, 2B; Upton, RF; Jackson, 1B; Snyder, C; Reynolds, 3B; Salazar, LF; Ojeda, SS; Haren, P

***** Interested in a "Billy Crystal"-like baseball gig?

"Yes, I would consider it," said comedian George Lopez, an avid White Sox fan. "I can't hit or throw, but Ozzie Guillen and I would be the perfect fit. I know all the bad words in Spanish."

"I could get on base," said another Second City stage alum, "Cheers" sitcom star George Wendt. "I'd be the opposite of Bill Veeck's little-person stunt. My belly would be so far over the plate they'd either have to walk me or hit me."

***** In other news,

Jim on the Bourgeois uprising and on the Cotts-Aardsma trade.
BTB: Trying to Put a Number on Outfield Speed.
Sunday's Yaz link.

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Rain

Doesn't look like this one's going to be played

by 3E8 on Mar 16, 2008 3:17 PM CDT reply actions

that's CF D-fense!

where have you gone, brian anderson...

by The Wizard on Mar 16, 2008 4:04 PM CDT reply actions

Wisconsin Badgers

Big Ten Conference Champs
Big Ten Tournament Champs

Hopefully a 2 seed.

MrROFL.com - now with real content!

by shaftr on Mar 16, 2008 4:17 PM CDT reply actions

need to see jerry do that

about fifteen times this year.

by larry on Mar 16, 2008 4:41 PM CDT reply actions

to what are you referring?

by The Wizard on Mar 16, 2008 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions

If I didn't see it with my own eyes, I wouldn't be

I wouldn't believe it. A triple by Owens.

Although, not a good route by the CF.

Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 16, 2008 4:43 PM CDT reply actions

Not much

hustle by Cabrera on that one.

Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 16, 2008 4:46 PM CDT reply actions

you're kidding, right?

by larry on Mar 16, 2008 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions

No. Watcth the replay.

He's trotting, at best, between 2nd and 3rd.

Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 16, 2008 4:50 PM CDT reply actions

um, so?

the sox acquire one of the best baserunners in baseball, he does exactly what he should, and scores. and sox fans continue to complain. i'm beginning to wonder if fans can actually recognize good baserunning when they see it.

by larry on Mar 16, 2008 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions

I agree.

Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 16, 2008 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions

but you're complaining?

by larry on Mar 16, 2008 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions

If you're able to, watch the replay.

He was trotting between 2nd and 3rd and barely made it home safe when the ball fell. Could have just as easily been out. There shouldn't have been a play at home.

Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 16, 2008 4:59 PM CDT reply actions

Oops, to Larry.

Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 16, 2008 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions

guess where a runner is supposed to be

on a play like that: near a base so they can assess the situation if the ball is dropped and aren't thrown out because they're running around the bases willy-nilly. the reason the play was close at the plate was because upton was in shallow right field. not exactly a long or difficult throw for a guy like him. this ain't little league, bally, where you have some 56lb weakling who can't catch and can't throw. cabrera did exactly what he was supposed to do.

by larry on Mar 16, 2008 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions

It would be surprising

if the Sox unload Crede before the start of the season. I think they'll wait until his "value" improves.

And of course Fields, with his .233/.314/.267 spring, needs to be in Charlotte ; )

Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 16, 2008 5:27 PM CDT reply actions

DJ with a little humor

Hawk commenting on the mountians and taking his wife out there

DJ responding - "You going to bring her back?"

First time I can recall DJ with something funny. Actually left Hawk with nothing to say.

So instead of a big splash, there were ripples -- enough to change the tide, Williams believes

by Brush Back on Mar 16, 2008 5:31 PM CDT reply actions

The legend, Emiliano Fruto,

shuts down BA with the bases loaded.

Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 16, 2008 5:51 PM CDT reply actions

Latest on Bear Stears - $2 a share.

http://bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a.kwMtvHsOL0&refer=home

Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 16, 2008 8:29 PM CDT reply actions

NOT GOOD, at all.

Probably more financials to "fail" in the coming weeks.

Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 16, 2008 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions

Any shorts out there?

Was over 70 last week

by 3E8 on Mar 16, 2008 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions

i thought JPM would get a sweetheart deal

but this is ridiculously sweet. i realize JPM is going to take on some significant potential liability but it ain't going to take much good to happen for this deal to be profitable at such a steep discount.

by larry on Mar 16, 2008 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions

$2 in this enviro is generous

No confidence in the US banking system/Fed/currency. Do our bonds deserve a AAA rating? I think not (in 3-5 years, maybe sooner).

Amazing stuff. Hope everyone has gold/commodity exposure, 'cause your purchasing power is toast without it.

At least we won't hear about "moral hazard" on this one. They lived by the sword, they died by it. I do feel badly for the employees who were forbidden from selling this last week. (Just like Enron folks, though, it's another lesson in why you don't stick more than 5% of your company's stock in your 401k.)

JPM is a roaring buy in about 2-3 months. A great deal for them.

Hey man, this game is a bunch of front-runners. If you're good, they kiss your butt. If not, you're horse s---.

by winningugly on Mar 17, 2008 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions

"some significant potential liability"

I'm sure the got a "put" from the Fed on those.

Their building in NYC is worth $1.2 billion.

Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 17, 2008 6:39 AM CDT up reply actions

not sure about that

Was thinking about securities fraud etc.

And to WU, 2 dollars seems cheap to me. The structure of the deal - from what I can tell - makes it difficult for them to get out bid. But I'm sure there are other parties sniffing around.

by larry on Mar 17, 2008 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions

Isn't the deal already done?

Fed is providing financial backing.

This is very scary. The fifth largest securities firm on Wall Street almost collapsed in 3 days.

Ozzie: "He got a [migraine] headache. I believe him because he's a real religious guy. Someone else tells me they have a migraine, I know they are hung over."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 17, 2008 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions

Bear Stearns

trading @ $4.10.

IMO, THE VERY BEST SHORT in the history of markets.

Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 17, 2008 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions

Bear Stearns

trading @ $4.22.

IMO, THE VERY BEST SHORT in the history of markets.

Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 17, 2008 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions

This is because

of shorts covering today?

Ozzie: "He got a [migraine] headache. I believe him because he's a real religious guy. Someone else tells me they have a migraine, I know they are hung over."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 17, 2008 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions

That,

but also the deal has to be approved by shareholders who may think that some "White Knight" will pop out of the woodwork and pay more than $2.

My opinion, the Fed brokered the deal. NO financial firm is going to challenge this deal. The shareholders will soon come to realize that.

Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 17, 2008 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions

Everything I have read

has the Fed being involved in the deal...I don't see it going any other way than what is being reported with JPMC.

Ozzie: "He got a [migraine] headache. I believe him because he's a real religious guy. Someone else tells me they have a migraine, I know they are hung over."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 17, 2008 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions

Agreed - this is like

someone speculating on a BK company's stock (when DAL and KM went Chapter 11) becuase it seems "cheap" (aka a penny stock).

Hey man, this game is a bunch of front-runners. If you're good, they kiss your butt. If not, you're horse s---.

by winningugly on Mar 17, 2008 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions

Lehman next?

-12.80 about -30%

Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 17, 2008 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions

Amazing - but

they supposedly have a decent cash hoard. But I don't have the stones to step in right now. Falling knife and all.

Hey man, this game is a bunch of front-runners. If you're good, they kiss your butt. If not, you're horse s---.

by winningugly on Mar 17, 2008 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions

WaMu

Is done. Their rating is one notch above junk and all signs are pointing to a buyout from either Wells Fargo or Bank of America. I don't have the cojones' to short it, but it is down to $9 a share, down 15% today.

Ozzie: "He got a [migraine] headache. I believe him because he's a real religious guy. Someone else tells me they have a migraine, I know they are hung over."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 17, 2008 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions

Nat City is looking for Buyers

Down 34% today to $8.

This is getting ridiculous.

Ozzie: "He got a [migraine] headache. I believe him because he's a real religious guy. Someone else tells me they have a migraine, I know they are hung over."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 17, 2008 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions

Cash hoard?

Are you kidding? If they have lots of these problem securities, they better wire that cash to a Swiss bank (strike that, Euro banks have problems, too). Balance sheet today NOT EQUAL balance sheet tomorrow.

Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 17, 2008 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions

Gotta LOVE shorting it at $4.72!

Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 17, 2008 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions

Ah. Euphoric makets.

Yesterday was a mirage.

Bear Stearns pre-market, $5.60.

Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 18, 2008 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions

Joe Lewis should just buy

the whole thing for $500MM if he thinks is "derisionable" at 2.

Hey man, this game is a bunch of front-runners. If you're good, they kiss your butt. If not, you're horse s---.

by winningugly on Mar 18, 2008 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions

then his Risk is $500 million.

With the potential to start the crippling of the financial system.

Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 18, 2008 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions

Now with the market "stabiizing,"

I guess it's possible that JPM ups the takeover amount.

Congress will get involved and say "how can you give such a sweetheart deal to Wall Street, at the expense of the poor shareholders."

Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 18, 2008 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions

also

as i sort of alluded to below, it's pretty obvious that BSC shareholders have a very good case (good case in securities litigation is defined as "surviving summary judgment") for asserting their dissenting shareholders rights and getting a judicial valuation. it's going to be real tough to make the argument successfully that $2 (or whatever the conversion is presently) is an appropriate valuation. you can be sure that JPM et al are negotiating with big stakeholders to ensure that as many of them as possible will vote for the merger so they can limit their potential liability/settlement in such litigation. a few bucks more would probably take most of them out of the game.

by larry on Mar 18, 2008 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions

When a company has

$X in capital one day and seemingly 1/10 $X capital 3 days later, it should be an interesting discussion. IF, IF, IF the market is still stable in 5 weeks, it's simpler for JPM to make an adjustment to their bid price.

Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 18, 2008 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions

not sure they have five weeks, though

they want this deal to close and close fast (6/30 deadline, i believe). they've gotta allow the requisite notice for shareholders and so on. this will have to move relatively quickly.

by larry on Mar 18, 2008 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions

Shareholder vote is in 5 weeks, I think.

Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 18, 2008 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions

ah

well, then time is even more of the essence. if the deal terms change, they'd have to re-notice and so on. i'm sure a delaware law lawyer could remind us of the exact notice period but it's 3 weeks, iirc.

by larry on Mar 18, 2008 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions

Out to get some adult diapers.

Be back later.

Bear $6.40.

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by ballyb on Mar 18, 2008 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions

the shareholders

will get at least one upped offer, maybe two. the fed has made it clear that BSC isn't going to be allowed to collapse so they can squeeze JPM a bit. but there are probably too many big equity holders for whom it's in their best interest to either toe the line for the fed or not cause financial collapse. above $5 seems much too unlikely.

by larry on Mar 18, 2008 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions

$7 and as high as $8.50

the hedge funds and debt holders have been piling in. if this keeps up, maybe it will sell at $2.40 (or whatever the present conversion is). if you're a "true" BSC stockholder, there's good reason to get out now.

by larry on Mar 18, 2008 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions

Yep, if I had more cash (and less family

obligation) I'd short the crap out of it.

Hey man, this game is a bunch of front-runners. If you're good, they kiss your butt. If not, you're horse s---.

by winningugly on Mar 18, 2008 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions

i got in and got out

made my money and now i've gone home. short's the way to go now.

by larry on Mar 18, 2008 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions

Sorry to budge in on a conversation, but...

wouldn't it have been better to short in from some time last week to yesterday, with the potential price differences, off the top of my head, being ~$70 and ~$2. No one can sneeze at ~ $65 / share.

And with the stock actually rising, doesn't this make it a less attractive time to short? Or is it obvious that the price is going to drop back to $2 again?

Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.

by rhythm on Mar 18, 2008 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions

Nice hindsight play, rhythm!

Of course it would've been better to short at $70 and cover at $3. (It hasn't hit 2 yet.) From a % standpoint, a trip from $8 to 2 is pretty good, too.

It all seems obvious now, but I'd bet not too many folks were short at 30, fearing when the stock opened the next day a buyout might've come at 40, 50, or whatever. Remember, it closed at 30 on a Friday, opened at 3-ish on a Monday. Options play predicted a $20 opening. That's a long time to be short on something so volatile.

It just seems obvious now that at $7+, and no Fed protection for anyone other than JPM, that closer to 2-3 is realistic.

Hey man, this game is a bunch of front-runners. If you're good, they kiss your butt. If not, you're horse s---.

by winningugly on Mar 18, 2008 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions

Gotcha

Someone with iron cajones (ballyb?) mentioned shorting Bear on Thursday or Friday. I seem to remember the remark to short the shit out of them. Should we now refer to this brave soul as Admiral Cajones?

I've just recently begun to pay attention to the stock market, so my post was more to make sure I understood correctly what was going on. But I do like to think I can make some excellent hindsight decisions, and I thank you for noticing ;)

Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.

by rhythm on Mar 18, 2008 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions

i believe MarketMaker

said he shorted it on thurs/fri (and would have made out well if he did) - but also said he wasn't interested in shorting it over the weekend.

by larry on Mar 18, 2008 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions

Adult Diapers - ROFL

I'm assuming this is because you started your short at $4.12?

Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.

by rhythm on Mar 18, 2008 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions

Who knows what "cheap" is

when you can't value your portfolio. I can't imagine the rough & tumble, take-no-prisoners, risk management gurus at Bear would get hoodwinked or panic unnecessarily. Hell, even the real estate would be tough to broker (e.g. Macklowe Properties, Centro Properties, etc. all up against trying to sell BIG buildings in a non-liquid market).

I just wonder if it was a "poke" since $2 is a penny stock, and Bear did a LOT of business with penny stock firms.

Hey man, this game is a bunch of front-runners. If you're good, they kiss your butt. If not, you're horse s---.

by winningugly on Mar 17, 2008 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions

i can value their "hard" assets

and most of their portfolio isn't shit. this is cheap.

someone mentioned above that a financial firm wouldn't walk in on this deal. that's probably true. but i was thinking necessarily about another financial firm.

by larry on Mar 17, 2008 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions

heard something interesting

if you use JPM's share price increase as a rough proxy, bear stearns was worth something like $50/share to JPM. obviously "synergies" etc. shouldn't necessarily be put into a price. but the market's [generally] a hell of a lot smarter than the rest of us. and it seems to think BSC was a steal for JPM.

by larry on Mar 17, 2008 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions

Oh, absolutely,

which is why the stock went up. Leverage is sometimes a wonderful thing when you are able to apply it against someone else.

One man's ceiling....

Interesting as hell, isn't it?

Hey man, this game is a bunch of front-runners. If you're good, they kiss your butt. If not, you're horse s---.

by winningugly on Mar 17, 2008 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions

god yes

i can't wait for the shareholders suit and bear's response. "yes, your honor, it is correct that we agreed to $28 less than the previous day's close and that we agreed to a break-up fee that was four times the deal's value. but it was totally fair and we didn't breach any fiduciary duties."

i understand the argument they're going to make and it's not without merit. but i can't recall the last time i saw a company so clearly say to plaintiff's lawyers "come and sue us. we will give you money because the deal is totally fucked up." this situation is a full employment act for new york lawyers.

by larry on Mar 18, 2008 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions

Unfortunately I have to watch after

the fact - have actual people's monies to worry about, tax time, etc. and don't have the time to watch the blow-by-blow. What a soap opera. And, yeah, NY folks have a lot to talk about these days, not just the lawyers.

Joe Lewis, by the way - supposedly owned Bear all-cash - no leverage. A cool $800MM loss thus far. Gott in Himmell!

Hey man, this game is a bunch of front-runners. If you're good, they kiss your butt. If not, you're horse s---.

by winningugly on Mar 18, 2008 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions

Is it already...

Halfway to St. Patrick's day???

I'll hang up and listen to your answer.

by Hazymania on Mar 17, 2008 1:09 AM CDT reply actions

This doesn't sit well with my Catholic self

No celebrating saints days during Holy Week, bastards.

Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Mar 17, 2008 1:50 AM CDT up reply actions

But but but...

The beer is cheaper!!!

I'll hang up and listen to your answer.

by Hazymania on Mar 17, 2008 2:09 AM CDT up reply actions

Very nice touch, Cheat

All 4 grandparents were from County Mayo.

Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 17, 2008 6:42 AM CDT reply actions

My best guess as to 3/31 roster

Hitters:

AJ, Hall, Konerko, Uribe, Cabrera, Fields, Owens, Swisher, Thome, Dye, Ozuna, Crede, Anderson

Pitchers:

Buehrle, Javy, Contreras, Danks, Floyd, Wasserman, Linebrink, Logan, Jenks, Dotel, Thornton, Ohka

Will they carry 12 pitchers though?

If not then I'd throw out Ohka (could be Masset) and replace with Quentin, Richar or Ramirez.

by stanchar on Mar 17, 2008 10:23 AM CDT reply actions

So you think the idea of sending Fields

to the minors is just a bluff? Do we really want him sitting on the bench? Or does Crede sit on the bench?

by palehose67 on Mar 17, 2008 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions

If Crede is on the team

Fields is in the minors.

Have I told you Jerry Owens sucks? I have? Let me tell you again!

by Tdogg on Mar 17, 2008 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions

Agreed.

I also think Massett starts in the bigs as the long reliever.

by palehose67 on Mar 17, 2008 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions

Not sure about the Crede/Fields

situation. I guess Masset could get the nod. I acutally like what I see from Ohka...pretty good movement. He or Masset definitely fit the bill for long reliever.

by stanchar on Mar 17, 2008 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions

Ohka might very well be the better choice,

but Massett is out of options, and I don't see KW giving up on him yet.

by palehose67 on Mar 17, 2008 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions

Maybe Ohka would be willing

to pitch in AAA. aCTUALLY, THAT'S WHAT i WOULD like to see happen. Masset can't be let go yet....although not especially impressive, I can see not wanting to let him go yet.
On an unrelated note, I think Floyd and Danks are going to be alright. I see Floyd coming along, despite the "results" yesterday. On some level, I am actually more worried about Buehrle, although I can't say that is exactly based on sound rationale. Just another "feeling."

by dantesox on Mar 17, 2008 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions

dante, we don't discuss "feelings"

on this site - we are (mostly?) MEN, and that is anathema to being a man.

I wish I were as sanguine as you about the kid pitchers. Floyd, especially, seems to be a bad inning or two from crumbling.

(I took the under on 79.5 wins, so my bias is fully disclosed.)

Hey man, this game is a bunch of front-runners. If you're good, they kiss your butt. If not, you're horse s---.

by winningugly on Mar 17, 2008 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions

While my green beer glass

is certainly half-full on St. Patty's Day, I "feel" that the 3-4-5 punch of Contreres (a.k.a. "Father Time"), Danks and Floyd is a train wreck waiting to happen.

Of course, this bad feeling may just be the corn beef and cabbage making its way through my digestive system.

Why did I forget to bring the Beano today?

Share the passion, show the swagger

by tailgater on Mar 17, 2008 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions

How many green beer glasses

did you finish thus far on this lovely St. Patty's?

Hey man, this game is a bunch of front-runners. If you're good, they kiss your butt. If not, you're horse s---.

by winningugly on Mar 17, 2008 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions

Unfortunately, zero so far

I am locked in my corporate cubicle until 4:30.

However, this evening I will be sampling a few "micro brews" I picked up over the weekend.

Can't wait.

Share the passion, show the swagger

by tailgater on Mar 17, 2008 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions

from Robothal's Alexei Ramirez article

[Robothal]:

The problem with keeping Ramirez at short is that the White Sox want to sign their new shortstop, Orlando Cabrera, to a contract extension before he becomes a free agent at the end of the season. Second base is more likely to be open in 2009, so moving Ramirez to that spot permanently at Class AAA might be in the White Sox's best long-term interests.

Then again, the Sox also could open the season with Ramirez as their super-utility man, using him at second, short and center. The White Sox are uniquely equipped to help Ramirez develop at the major-league level -- Williams and Cora speak Spanish, and Sox right-hander Jose Contreras was a teammate of Ramirez's for two seasons in Cuba.

Williams says he asked the White Sox's coaches to draw up plans detailing how many at-bats Ramirez would get in different scenarios. In the end, giving Ramirez part-time work this season might be the best way to prepare him for full-time duty next season. Cora thinks Ramirez might rise to such a challenge.

"One thing about Cubans -- they don't like to be embarrassed," says Cora, a native of Puerto Rico. "Alexei is going to work his butt off at second base. He doesn't want to embarrass himself. It's the same thing with Contreras (who struggled last season).

"They might have defected from Cuba, but they still have Cuba inside of them. They want Cuba to be proud of them. It's something that drives them."

The last word, as usual, belongs to Guillen.

"To tell you the truth, he's better than I thought," the manager says. "He will be an everyday player in the big leagues."

by The Wizard on Mar 17, 2008 1:43 PM CDT reply actions

Cuban Blood: The new grit!!!

Next time, Bhoov, do some research.

by Chiburb on Mar 17, 2008 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions

Cubans -- they don't like to be embarrassed

unlike Americans, who really relish it.

I'm getting tired of this "he's going to be good, because he doesn't want to be bad." If it's that simple, I want to see some Nationalistic Pride Quotient (NPQ) metrics.

Lord, beer me strength.

by Nordhagen on Mar 17, 2008 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions

On a scale of wanting it real bad:

Cuba = 100
North Dakota = 99.5
Dominican = 92
Puerto Rico = 50
Australia = 2
Netherlands = 1
The Peoples Republic of California = 0

"We're actually doing some different things at the top of the lineup, but our key is Jerry Owens being our center fielder and our leadoff guy" - JD

by ChicagoPete on Mar 17, 2008 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions

People's Republic of California

There has to be a correction factor here, because Kenny is from the "Gay" Area and went to Stanford.

He has also drafted scrappy, grinding, Stanford alums, including J. Borchard because of his football mentality. I think Donny Lucy is another pick from Stanford (or Stanturd or Stanfuck, if you're living in the East Bay).

Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.

by rhythm on Mar 17, 2008 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions

NO corrections for PRofC

Brian Anderson and Jon Garland - does anything more need to be said?

"We're actually doing some different things at the top of the lineup, but our key is Jerry Owens being our center fielder and our leadoff guy" - JD

by ChicagoPete on Mar 17, 2008 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions

BA isn't from california

by larry on Mar 17, 2008 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions

Yes he is

Arizona's a suburb, kinda like San Bernadino.

"We're actually doing some different things at the top of the lineup, but our key is Jerry Owens being our center fielder and our leadoff guy" - JD

by ChicagoPete on Mar 17, 2008 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions

if arizona is a suburb

it ain't of california.

by larry on Mar 17, 2008 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions

sure it is

and you need a passport to get into New Mexico.

"We're actually doing some different things at the top of the lineup, but our key is Jerry Owens being our center fielder and our leadoff guy" - JD

by ChicagoPete on Mar 17, 2008 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions

it's a suburb of chicago

more than anything. just like palm beach is a suburb of new york city.

by larry on Mar 17, 2008 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions

Oh Jeez

Brandon McCarthy is from Glendale. These punks, they just give a damn. Embarassment? bah - who cares.

"We're actually doing some different things at the top of the lineup, but our key is Jerry Owens being our center fielder and our leadoff guy" - JD

by ChicagoPete on Mar 17, 2008 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions

oops, just don't give a damn

"We're actually doing some different things at the top of the lineup, but our key is Jerry Owens being our center fielder and our leadoff guy" - JD

by ChicagoPete on Mar 17, 2008 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions

Is anybody else besides the punter

from North Dakota?

by onlysoxfaninboston on Mar 17, 2008 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions

Travis Hafner

"We're actually doing some different things at the top of the lineup, but our key is Jerry Owens being our center fielder and our leadoff guy" - JD

by ChicagoPete on Mar 17, 2008 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions

Oh, and Bronko Nagurski

"We're actually doing some different things at the top of the lineup, but our key is Jerry Owens being our center fielder and our leadoff guy" - JD

by ChicagoPete on Mar 17, 2008 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions

Doesn't count

He's primarily DH.

by onlysoxfaninboston on Mar 17, 2008 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions

Hafner

despite being good, he does look kinda grindy. He shares that same scowly look as Erstad.

Must be a miserable place to live. Makes you all grouchy and intense.

Lord, beer me strength.

by Nordhagen on Mar 17, 2008 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions

Hafner looks like

Cro-Magnon mann IMO.

Scary.

Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 17, 2008 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions

pods having a torrid spring

link

by The Wizard on Mar 17, 2008 2:00 PM CDT reply actions

Does this mean Uribe returns to his

2005 defensive prowess? Or is it reserved for guys already having left the Sox? (Keep your eyes peeled for Erstad, Timo, Politte, etc.!)

Hey man, this game is a bunch of front-runners. If you're good, they kiss your butt. If not, you're horse s---.

by winningugly on Mar 17, 2008 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions

re

Or is it reserved for guys already having left the Sox?

bingo!

by The Wizard on Mar 17, 2008 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions

ozzie

[JC]:

White Sox manager Ozzie Guillen set the stage on Opening Day last season, when he first told the Sun-Times he should be fired as manager if the team failed.

It raised some eyebrows a bit, but in the end general manager Ken Williams passed it off as ''Ozzie being Ozzie.''

This time around, Guillen didn't wait until the start of the season, raising the bar even higher concerning his future on the South Side.

''Trust me, if this thing takes the wrong direction early on like it did last year, I swear to God, if it reaches that point, I'm going to [board chairman] Jerry [Reinsdorf] and saying: 'Look, don't let my contract make it so I'm holding you hostage; we can talk about something different. You can rip up my contract and do a new one, less years. You won't have to pay me for this,''' Guillen told the Sun-Times on Saturday.

by The Wizard on Mar 17, 2008 2:07 PM CDT reply actions

Money back guarantee from Ozzie!

Gosh, that's swell to offer to put a few mil back in Uncle Jerry's pocket. Is that offer extended to ticketholders too?

Lord, beer me strength.

by Nordhagen on Mar 17, 2008 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions

Is there a chance Ozzie

WANTS to leave and his ego just won't allow himself to quit?

Me thinks he protests too much.

Share the passion, show the swagger

by tailgater on Mar 17, 2008 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions

Must not be a game today, right WIZ?

Next time, Bhoov, do some research.

by Chiburb on Mar 17, 2008 2:41 PM CDT reply actions

No problem in the US economy, boys.

Dow, ++ 110
SPX -1.98.

What a great country.

Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 17, 2008 2:43 PM CDT reply actions

How about Dow up 21, bally?

By the by, is SSH a money manager?

"Wall Street hates uncertaintly. They'd rather get bad news than uncertainty, because who knows who else will be next to fall?" said Ron Lawson, managing director at logicadvisors.com. "If we go a couple of weeks and no one else pukes, maybe we'll get some more solid footing under us."

Hey man, this game is a bunch of front-runners. If you're good, they kiss your butt. If not, you're horse s---.

by winningugly on Mar 17, 2008 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions