Decision time for Sox opening day roster
Well, now that we've got a solid 23 hours into the new platform -- We've had about 160 relatively painless sign-ups in the since going live late last night. We've uncovered a bug or two, but for the most part things have been pretty smooth. -- It's time to sit back and actually talk about the White Sox.
For the third consecutive year, the Sox have hit an extended mid-spring funk. They've won twice in the last 14 days, none in the last 9. Business as usual for the Sox, who I seem to recall having the same type of streak in each of the last two season, but I don't know where to go to check spring training records. I'm actually glad I don't know where to go, if I did, it might be a sign I need more clinical help than I'm currently receiving.
Part of the problem is that the Sox have been facing an inordinate amount of left-handed pitching lately. This sinister issue needs to be resolved if they hope to be anything more than mediocre this year. The addition of Josh Fields and Nick Swisher to the lineup would have been a step in the right direction, but Fields looks like he'll end up in Charlotte, and it's unclear how Ozzie will utilize Swisher. One thing is certain, Pablo Ozuna will continue to start and leadoff against most lefties.
Supposedly, the decision-making staff will have an extended meeting on Tuesday to discuss the final roster. Among the discussion topics:
- What will Alexei Ramirez' role be?
- Can Juan Uribe be traded to make room for Alexei?
- Who is the 4th outfielder behind, ugh, Jerry Owens?
- Can (or should) Brian Anderson be traded to make that decision an easy one?
- Will Nick Masset clear waivers?
- If no, are they prepared to let him go for nothing in order to put the best team on the field in the form of Ehren Wasserman?
- What is the medium term-plan at 3B?
- How long do they stick with Crede at 3B if he continues his lackluster play of the spring?
And I'm sure there are a host of others.
I'd probably send Ramirez to Charlotte, even though he's impressed me this spring. He's still got some work to do, and I'm not sure that playing sporadically and mostly against lefties is the best way to develop his talents. I just have this gut feeling like we've been seeing Alexei play a bit over his head, and the results are clouding our view of what he'll do when the lights come on for real.
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Agree with you about Alexei
I think it's probably a lot easier to play without a book on you. There's just so much uncertainty and it appeas we may have our hands on an actual asset. It doesn't make sense to me to undermine his full development with sporadic play against a particular kind of major league pitching. Especially when he could be the long term CF/SS solution we've been seeking.
This reluctance to cut bait on non-players is getting in the way of guys who seem to be legit assets. Masset instead of Wasserman. Crede instead of Fields. Ramirez taking a spot on the big club's bench seems to be similarly short sighted. On the whole, I still very much appreciate KW's talent for acquiring...um...talent, but it seems like this spring especially he's really gotten a little bit pigheaded about his perception of a few players.
I wonder if JRE (welcome back!) or SSH will feel the need to expound upon and expand the extent of the aforementioned pigheadedness.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
by colintj on Mar 24, 2008 11:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Viva Alexei
Alexei has no "book," but he has never faced any of these pitchers before either. A lot of the pitches and pitch combinations are new to him. He has hit a lot of balls hard this spring, desite, yes getting fooled a bunch too. He's got power, speed and great instincts in the field. Someone great off the bench vs fastball pitchers and, to me, the potential to be far superior than Juan Uribe (at the least).
by mglesne on Mar 25, 2008 12:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
More agreement
I don't see the utility of keeping Ramirez with both Uribe and Ozuna on the roster. They'd be much better served with Ramirez playing SS/2B in AAA and getting a bunch of at-bats and keeping Fields to platoon with Thome. Plus a year of scouting Ramirez in AAA would let the Sox know for sure if he can play SS in the bigs next season.
What I think will happen this season is that Ramirez will be the 4th OF and backup CF. Anderson won't be on the team.
by hitlesswonder on Mar 25, 2008 12:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The other questions
I think Wasserman will be in AAA and Masset the long man. Coop said today they don't want specialists. Wasserman is a ROOGY, whereas Masset is equally ineffective against LH and RH hitters. So clearly, advantage: Masset.
I think Crede is on the Sox till August when he gets flipped for an A-ball reliever. It's a catch-22 situation. If Crede is lousy he has no trade value. If he plays well, the Sox will be reluctant to trade him. The only scenario that works to get Crede traded quickly is if he plays very well and the Sox fall out of the playoff race immediately. I don't see both happening.
by hitlesswonder on Mar 25, 2008 12:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Lefthanders vs Wassermann
Lefthanders are like 2 or 3 for 18 against Wassermann this spring. Why is he still considered a ROOGY?
by sylsouthbb on Mar 25, 2008 6:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ozzie and Company
So we are going to see a steady dose of Jessie in the lineup, including him facing lefties down in the lineup. I can't wait to see how effective two scraps starting ( Ozuna and Jessie) do in a lineup. Hawk will talk about how speed doesn't slump.
Hopes this season.
1.) Cabrera has a great season so he becomes a class A free agent. We don't sign him, and he goes to a good team so we get the 1st round pick.
2.) Owens gets replaced by Quentin soon. Ozzie talked about OBP, which basically is a buzzword that he doesnt believe in. He mouthed it, but when push comes to shove multiple speed guys is the answer for tough situation. Grinder speed guys short on talent overcome all.
3.) Crede is replaced by Fields. I understand that KW wants a good player for Crede, but that ship has sailed. Dump him as soon as possible and move on.
4.) We truly take the top talent at number 8 in the 2008 draft. I could care less who his agent is, how much money it will cost, or if we upset Selig. Our minor leagues are wrecked and we need impact players. If KW drafts a pitcher it better be a high schooler throwing mid 90s with some killer peripherals. Outside of Alvarez, it better be a high schooler with top skills. I could care less if Boras represents the guy, get Hahn to negotiate, pinch your nose and sign the talented kid.
5.) Move Dye to Left Field and/or dump him to another team.
by southsideirish71 on Mar 25, 2008 12:59 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
How many minor leaguers do you really need?
Once again you are falling in love with "talent" which is a huge difference from "proven talent". We had 1 bad year with this team. Ozzie has had a winning season every year except last year. I agree that we should sign the best draftee possible... that goes with out saying. Look at our minor league system with Brian Anderson, Poreda, Quinten, Wasserman, and Fields just to name a few. We have 5 guys that will start the season in triple A that could start on most of the teams in the MLB. Dye has the potential to bounce back after an injury ridden season to get back to his MVP calibur form in 06'. I must not be as pessimistic as you ssi but I think some of your assessments are unfair.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 25, 2008 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What other teams in the MLB could Jerry owens start for?
by SSH2005 on Mar 25, 2008 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never mentioned JO
Plus how good were our teams in 03' and 04' when we had all these high ops guys with no leadoff man who could steal some bases. Anytime JO gets on base, even if it's not that often... he will most likely score. I don't care what the stats say... having a high opb "base clogger" at the top of the lineup does this team no good. I agree to keep Owens because he is the only one with a lick of speed. All I heard on this board last year and this off season is that we have way too many base cloggers. So why all the hatred for JO? Did he bang one of your wives or something? I will laugh my ass off when he has a decent year and you guys will still be pining for BA!
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 25, 2008 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
* I agree with Ozzie
error
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 25, 2008 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
base cloggers
I really wish the White Sox had more base cloggers, as long as they get on base, I don't care how slow they are.
by shaftr on Mar 25, 2008 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
clogging the bases? a wonderful problem to have.
the beef most have with Owens is he's not that good a hitter-- low OBP, low OPS. Put at guy like that at the top of the lineup and it hurts your team. doesn't matter how fast he is.
If Owens can produce a league average OPS, we would be OK.
by ruffster on Mar 25, 2008 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You must not be watching the WS DVD as closely as he does
Pods was the reason we won in 05, come on now. Speed don't slump. We should trade some of our base cloggers for more speed. If we had 9 fast guys our offense would be electric.
by southsideirish71 on Mar 25, 2008 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that You SoB?
"You might be impressed with your analysis, but I am not. Stop wasting my time." - Chris De Luca
by BoKnows on Mar 25, 2008 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is already a l o n g season....
Next time, Bhoov, do some research.
by Chiburb on Mar 25, 2008 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It has to be Jessie's father
The 03 and 04 teams had no pitching, hence why they didn't make the playoffs. Unless you think that Jason Grilli and Felix Diaz matched up with our 05 pitching. Take the 05 pitching, and put it on the 04 team and it makes the playoffs and should go deep.
by southsideirish71 on Mar 25, 2008 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The '03 and '04 teams
had a bunch of chokers. They were out-played and out-hustled by the less talented Twins. Jerry Manual was a lousy manager and hasn't landed another manager job yet.
by CurlyMoe on Mar 25, 2008 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You must be new here.
"You might be impressed with your analysis, but I am not. Stop wasting my time." - Chris De Luca
by BoKnows on Mar 25, 2008 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please enlighten us
How are my assesments unfair.
If you think Dye has the range to play RF, after visual and statistical proof over the years. Then please reveal your sources.
Poreda hasn't pitched past class A, so I think we can slow down the AAA promotion just yet. If he progresses as he should, he should be a fast mover and shouldn't have to see time in AAA. But he needs this year to prove he can get more advanced hitters out besides gassing kids in the great falls league.
by southsideirish71 on Mar 25, 2008 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
re
we can slow down the AAA promotion just yet
what about oney though?
by The Wizard on Mar 25, 2008 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Around the field.
1B - Set with Konerko, Swisher backup.
2B - who knows.
SS - set with Cabrera but he's looked like crap in ST.
3B - I love Crede, but Fields to AAA is CRAZY.
LF - set with Swisher.
CF - Owens has hit about 5 balls out of the IF in ST, but he's our man.
RF - Dye belongs in LF.
C - I remember 1 baserunner being thrown out in ST (by Philips). Think 9 Jesse's on THEIR TEAM. AND Hall can't hit the ball out of the infield.
DH - Thome vs. LHP will waste about 150 ABs.
Long, long year!!!!!!!
"All this has done is put the Tigers in a better position to contend with us."
by ballyb on Mar 25, 2008 7:08 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Why is it crazy
to think that Fields needs some work defensivly? I don't mind sending him down until the trading deadline. If we can't get rid of Crede by then... cut your losses and take what you can get. Then you got your 3rd basemen of the future even more seasoned defensivly and confident. I am sorry from what I have seen of Fields defensivly he would have to put up A-Rod numbers to make up for it. Your opinions?
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 25, 2008 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
23 HRs, 67 RBIs in a little moe than half a season.
We have a DH who can't hit lefties and Crede's back is still up in the air. He can work on his 3B footwork in the majors.
Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?
by ballyb on Mar 25, 2008 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or....
Simply platoon Fields with Thome and spell Crede on occasion. I pretty sure Fields in that role would be more valuable than whomever the 25th man will be.
BTW, is there a consensus on whether or not Fields offense was enough to offset his terrible defense last season? I really don't know it was or not.....
by hitlesswonder on Mar 25, 2008 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
SAYS IT ALL!!!!!!!!!
"Fields......would be more valuable than whomever the 25th man will be."
Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?
by ballyb on Mar 25, 2008 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Win Shares
He had 12 in a little over half a season...I'd say that his bat more than makes up for his play in the field.
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by BoKnows on Mar 25, 2008 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ozzie will not insult a "future hall of famer"
by taking DH at-bats away from thome for fields against LH even though this goes against Ozzie's 'win-now' attitude of '08
by The Scoper on Mar 25, 2008 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he would have to put up Arod numbers to make up for it?
so basically you're saying fields is a sieve that loses the sox 60 or 70 runs over the course of a season. kind of ridiculous, buddy.
by larry on Mar 25, 2008 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Larry
I love Fields as much as the next guy.... but not just his footwork but also his glove work is pretty bad too. Its not how many errors you make either, its when you make them. I can make 4 errors in the first inning that will make my stats look bad. Or I can be perfect the whole game and not make the play to end the game and lose. Win share is bs you dont know when these hr's were hit. With the lead, behind, or during a tied game. This game is way bigger than the stats the compose salaries.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 25, 2008 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well thank god we didn't think this way when Crede came up
Because his fielding numbers looked a lot like Fields last year.
by southsideirish71 on Mar 25, 2008 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think...
there's a very good chance that Fields turns out to be a much better player, all the way around, than Crede ever was.
The Sox just have to give him a chance. He's not learning anything in the minors.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Mar 25, 2008 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Remember Crede when he first came up?
His defense and feet were not that good. I used to cringe in 2002/2003 when a ball was hit to him...along with the other 14 fans in the ballpark.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 25, 2008 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do remember...
that Crede struggled with pop-ups (he still does).
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Mar 25, 2008 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I think some of us forget the kid was a (very good) college quarterback. He has a helluva lot more pure athletic ability, equating to a helluva lot more potential. If you extend Fields' rookie season to a full year, he far exceeds Crede's offensive output from 2006, his best season. Now that Fields has an additional year of experience and Crede's back is still a lingering question mark, how can anyone seriously say we're better off starting the season with Fields in Charlotte?
by onthemark12 on Mar 25, 2008 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fuck QB, we need a punter.
Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?
by ballyb on Mar 25, 2008 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the economics of the game
says we're better off starting the season with Fields in charlotte, unfortunately
by The Scoper on Mar 25, 2008 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Starting, maybe,
but at the end of the year, winning games puts people in the seats, which brings in revenue. And I, for one, feel Fields (sorry) gives us a better chance to win on a daily basis.
Besides, Crede's contract is a sunk cost, so ideally that should not weigh on opening day roster decisions; unfortunately, as you say, it doesn't look like management feels the same way.
by onthemark12 on Mar 25, 2008 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crede sells tickets and advertising
for his '05 WS heroics. Many casual fans go to the park to re-live the glory days. I think that's why KW keeps old guys like Dye and Paulie around.
by CurlyMoe on Mar 25, 2008 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Win shares do account for "clutchness"
Similarly, if a player hits well in the clutch, then Win Shares gives him credit for that, even if hitting in the clutch is not likely to be a consistent skill.
"You might be impressed with your analysis, but I am not. Stop wasting my time." - Chris De Luca
by BoKnows on Mar 25, 2008 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
point being
it will not hurt him to go down to triple a and come back up as a complete player.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 25, 2008 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lets take a look at AAA for a second
He is going to hone his craft in a league where Felix Diaz was basically Johan. Jeremy Reed looked like Wade Boggs, and Brian Anderson was a 300 hitter.
Facing crappy AAAA pitching may be more of a hinderance. How many a sox prospect looked great in AAA only to struggle with a long looping swing. In the Majors flaws are exposed, in AAA you can get by because the guy that is trying to expose your flaws isnt really that good.
by southsideirish71 on Mar 25, 2008 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think...
that Fields is going to learn too much in terms of fielding skills in the minors. He's twenty-five, and he's been playing third base since college - unless the player is learning a new position, I think that what you see is what you get at this point.
I hope I'm wrong, and Fields figures something out. But regardless - I still think he's a better option than Crede at this point.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Mar 25, 2008 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Remember
He was honing his 3rd base skills with an oversized mitt that he was allowed to use during his assent through the minors. Do we really want him back in AAA where they allowed him to field the ball with an outifelders mitt.
by southsideirish71 on Mar 25, 2008 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup.
I'm really more concerned with Fields' hitting ability - particularly his ability to catch up with an above-average major-league fastball. He's not going to learn that in the minors.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Mar 25, 2008 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
true
all i am saying is that him going back down is not the worst thing in the world. we still have him... he is still with the organization. You just need to tell the kid what the deal is and not play around with his mind. He will understand and be a good team player I hope. Kenny is probably testing him to see if he is "Chicago Tough".
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 25, 2008 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you.
I like to see Fields improve on his defense. (There is still time for KW to trade Paulie so that Fields can play first).
by CurlyMoe on Mar 25, 2008 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually...
wouldn't mind seeing a Konerko trade, with Fields at first. But I think that the team has given Konerko emeritus status - he's not going anywhere any time soon.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Mar 25, 2008 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they move Konerko
They should move Swisher to first.
by southsideirish71 on Mar 25, 2008 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dye.
Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?
by ballyb on Mar 25, 2008 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In an ideal world...
the Dye signing never happened. That made very little sense at the time, and it's making less sense every day.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Mar 25, 2008 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
With him playing so far of the RF line
How many singles will he turn into doubles, how many doubles become triples. He lumbers down towards the line, yet for some reason cheats to the gap. I think right now, he can move back to the fence fine, and maybe up a bit fine. But his right to left movement has severely been impaired over the last few years.
by southsideirish71 on Mar 25, 2008 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's why he should play LF, not RF,
but Ozzie won't move Dye from RF unless Dye is in a wheelchair.
by CurlyMoe on Mar 25, 2008 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, right field
is where triples go to dye.
by ReservoirDog on Mar 25, 2008 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought that way for a while this winter
Then I though... what the hell is Thome still doing on the team? He as failed every time we really needed him since hes been on the club. Yeah he puts his numbers up but where is his fire... and passion? Package him and Crede for your much loved "prospects". If we dump Thome we can DH Konerko.. play Swisher at 1st and Fields at 3rd. then everyone is happy.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 25, 2008 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that a serious comment? I thought I picked up some sarcasm..but not sure...
"You might be impressed with your analysis, but I am not. Stop wasting my time." - Chris De Luca
by BoKnows on Mar 25, 2008 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i wrote like two hours ago that this is jermaine
that post had two meanings but since one obviously means nothing to anyone, jermaine is a guy who wrote a post on the suntimes blog about how jim thome sucks really, really bad.
by larry on Mar 25, 2008 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cool...I got the first mean...
Enough with the Double-Talk Larry
"You might be impressed with your analysis, but I am not. Stop wasting my time." - Chris De Luca
by BoKnows on Mar 25, 2008 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
With the new site comes...
So instead of a big splash, there were ripples -- enough to change the tide, Williams believes
by Brush Back on Mar 25, 2008 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thome has a no trade contract.
Also, he sells tickets. The Sox will more than likely extend him than get rid of him.
by CurlyMoe on Mar 25, 2008 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The sox will not extend Thome
If Thome has a no-trade contract then how did we trade for him? We would probably have to have him waive his no trade rights then.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 25, 2008 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To bad the Giants aren't in the AL
The market for an older DH is limited at best. We pretty much have to look at the AL, and how many of those teams don't have a DH.
by southsideirish71 on Mar 25, 2008 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tampa Bay
Rays, A's (not likely), NY (always looking to improve), Baltimore (rebuilding), Seattle... there are a few...
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 25, 2008 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh no!
We don't need him to learn 1B...he needs to be at 3B! If we trade Paulie then you move Swisher to 1B and let Quinten play LF.
The "Crede situation" reminds me of the "Bonnie Situation" in Pulp Fiction! We need Mr. Wolf (Harvey Keitel) to fix this.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 25, 2008 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But...
at this point it's pretty clear that as long as Crede's in a Sox uniform, he's got the nod at 3B. And as long as Thome's on the team he's got the nod at DH. So having Fields pick up first is really the only way to get him involved, which I think we all agree is the most logical/beneficial move.
by onthemark12 on Mar 25, 2008 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only reason you move Konerko
Is to avoid the 10 and 5 lock that he gets in May. And to turn a good contract around and get value from it.
You do not however trade Konerko just to fit a player named Crede who will be gone later this year anyway. I would of loved to see some of the posts when Crede came up and kicked the ball all over the place. He wasnt the slick fielder we here about compared to Brooks Robinson. He was a stick in the minors, who was short on his fielding skills. Hard work paid off for Crede. Maybe it can do the same for Fields.
by southsideirish71 on Mar 25, 2008 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I agree
that you would trade Crede to make room for Konerko, not the other way around. However, I'm sort of assuming that a Konerko trade will bring in pitching help, so it's not implicitly designed to accommodate Crede.
by onthemark12 on Mar 25, 2008 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fields probably will never be a good defense 3rd baseman.
However, he may be a decent 1st baseman.
by CurlyMoe on Mar 25, 2008 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and that helps us how?
he doesn't need to be a good 3B. he needs to be passable. which isn't a stretch by any means. decent 1Bs are quite easy to find. this team probably has 10 of them already.
by larry on Mar 25, 2008 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would love it...
if the Sox stashed a couple of 1B/DH types in their system. Other teams don't seem to have trouble finding guys like that, but the Sox seem to have trouble in that regard.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Mar 25, 2008 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
...like Chris Carter
"You might be impressed with your analysis, but I am not. Stop wasting my time." - Chris De Luca
by BoKnows on Mar 25, 2008 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be happy...
if they found someone like Jack Cust or Jack Hannahan (sorry, I was looking at the lineup the A's fielded last night).
Every winter, there are a half-dozen guys floating around who can hit, but can't do anything else.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Mar 25, 2008 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
eldred
we're not hurting for that, jerry.
by larry on Mar 25, 2008 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I forgot...
about Eldred, although I have serious doubts that that guy is a major-league hitter.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Mar 25, 2008 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you think there are a lot of
"major league hitters" stashed in the minors? so many that we should have "a couple"? brad eldred is who you get. he'll mash some. that's who floats around. you want better, trade a relief pitcher for matt stairs. or mike sweeney. voila. major league hitter.
by larry on Mar 25, 2008 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We already have a 1B in Swisher...where he should be playing
if not for Konerko.
We do not have a 3B after Crede is gone, one way or another...and Fields is it.
He also is an average 3B who could get better. He is not a black hole.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 25, 2008 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Average"...
might be overstating things. He's definitely a below-average fielder, and I have serious doubts that he'll stick at third in the long run.
But all things considered, he's a much better option than Crede.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Mar 25, 2008 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really think he will be fine
The fact that he was allowed to play 3rd base with an oversized glove is an indictment of our minor league instruction. It will take him a bit to get used to the new glove, but I think that forcing yourself to feel for the ball more and that the smaller glove will help with hand transfers on the pivot will help his overall numbers. He will never have the range Crede had, but he will be able to catch the ball and throw the ball and thats all you ask.
by southsideirish71 on Mar 25, 2008 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus,
if our SS of the future can move well to his right, a la Uribe (never thought I'd say that), it will help to mitigate Fields deficiencies. Defense doesn't win nearly as many games as does offense, which is something that gets lost in this alleged 'small-ball' mentality of ours.
by onthemark12 on Mar 25, 2008 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't get your hopes up for a resolution today
Cowley says Ozzie/Kenny may take another couple of days to decide certain positions. I take that to mean "try and trade BA/Uribe/Konerko/" before going North. Or maybe they just want BA to have a couple of 0fers so they can justify his AAA demotion.
Anyway, if last year was a team of spare parts, have the spare parts been at least upgraded?
Next time, Bhoov, do some research.
by Chiburb on Mar 25, 2008 7:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ryan Sweeney to start in CF for A's in season opener...
The A's will start Ryan Sweeney, but not Mike Sweeney, in Tuesday's season opener against the Red Sox.
A couple of surprises. Ryan Sweeney gets the nod over Chris Denorfia despite having the weaker spring and entering camp as the underdog. Mike Sweeney figured to be the DH in the game, but the A's will go with defense instead and put Emil Brown in left and Jack Cust at DH. The full lineup is: RF Travis Buck, 2B Mark Ellis, 1B Daric Barton, DH Cust, LF Brown, SS Bobby Crosby, 3B Jack Hannahan, C Kurt Suzuki and CF Ryan Sweeney.
by SSH2005 on Mar 25, 2008 8:29 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Blue Jays close to locking up OF Rios
Just over a year ago, the Blue Jays signed center fielder Vernon Wells through 2014. Now, they are on the verge of locking up right fielder Alex Rios for at least that long — and possibly longer.
Rios, 27, is close to signing a six-year contract extension, according to major-league sources. The deal, expected to be in the $65 million range, will include an option for 2015 that could push the total value closer to $80 million.
The contract will cover Rios' remaining two arbitration years plus his first four years of free agency. Rios is signed for $4.835 million this season. His extension would begin in 2009.
by SSH2005 on Mar 25, 2008 8:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Some Bill James stats..
The White Sox in 2007 were 16-28 against Left-handed starters. That's the worst in MLB. Next closest were the Angels, Royals, Orioles, and Cubs, all tied with 19 wins.
Interestingly, though, the White Sox had the 2nd best record in MLB against the AL Central. (39-33). The Indians, of course, were far superior. (48-24). Maybe a surprise to some, but not to me, since I watched the games... the White Sox had the worst record against the NL among all MLB teams. (4-14). That included games against the Pirates.
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."
by Shoeless In SC on Mar 25, 2008 9:23 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
and there goes
92 wins last year
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 25, 2008 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does the injury to Kevin Frandsen have any affect on the Crede trade discussions?
The Giants were already extremely thin at all infield positions. Now they are pretty bare.
According to their team page, they have Aurilia starting at 3B, Bocock at SS (Vizquel is coming back from knee surgery), spring chicken Ray Ray at 2B and D. Ortmeier at 1B.
They could certaily use a utility infielder in addition to Crede.
"You might be impressed with your analysis, but I am not. Stop wasting my time." - Chris De Luca
by BoKnows on Mar 25, 2008 9:38 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh, if there was a god....!
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 25, 2008 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bobby im curious
Please name your favorite Sox players. As of right now you hate everybody. Also please list your allstar line up that you wish the sox would put on the field.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 25, 2008 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not a problem!
Position Players I like (Like to see Sox Keep)
Konerko, Ramirez, Fields, Cabrera, Swisher, Quinten and Thome
Pitchers I like:
Jenks, Buehrle, Javy, Poreda, Wasserman, Thornton.
Players that I am not a big fan of, horrible signing or need to go:
Uribe, Crede, Owens, BA, Dye, Hall, Ozuna, Linebrink, Contreras, Dotel, MacDougal, Masset
Players I am on the bubble with:
Danks, Floyd, Richar
I know most of the guys that I stated that I do not like may be here all year or basically untradeable...but you asked.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 25, 2008 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lineup
Assuming Quinten goes to the Minors to get healthy.
SS Cabrera
LF Swisher
1B Konerko
DH Thome
RF Dye
C AJ
3B Fields
CF Anderson
2B Ramirez
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 25, 2008 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Cubs has a lot of spare infielders.
They can probably deal Cedeno/Fontenot, etc. for a spare CF'er or leftie reliever. Unless they are still holding out for Roberts.
by CurlyMoe on Mar 25, 2008 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
FWIW
Bruce Levine was on Waddle and Silvy this morning and mentioned that, if pressed, the Sox would admit that they think of Ramirez as their SS of the future. So that seems like good news at least. By 2010 the infield could look good with Fields, Ramirez, Shelby (hopefully he pans out), and Swisher left to right.
by Ryno on Mar 25, 2008 9:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sox new slogan:
"Wait 'till the year after next"!!!!
Though yes, that just might be a fun infield to watch.
Next time, Bhoov, do some research.
by Chiburb on Mar 25, 2008 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, I had the "Wait until 2010!" sig
last year. Should probably put it back.
Boy, if this is the type of baseball talk we're having all year I agree with you, it's a LONG season already.
Hey man, this game is a bunch of frontrunners. If you're good, they kiss your butt. If not, you're horse s---.''
by winningugly on Mar 25, 2008 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good lord.
Reading through this insanely large amount of retread comments has given me a headache and the final SSS judgement is that the Sox won't be good until 2010? This place is so worth my time! Now, I don't expect everyone to be positive about everything but Christ, this is what happens when you look at the same players (no matter who they are) for months without them actually playing in meaningful games. I can think of one team that probably has an SB Nation blog that isn't full of posts trashing 90% of its players and it's the Red Sox. Even their blog probably trashes 75% of their players.
Remember when spring was the time for optimism and not complete contempt?
Out-underacheiving the other guy.
by defensive indifference on Mar 25, 2008 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, I remember it well
Though I really don't recognize many of these posters. Maybe they're only here for a day or two?
Anyway, Spring hopes eternal!
Next time, Bhoov, do some research.
by Chiburb on Mar 25, 2008 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just see one new name...
and that's Where Triples Go To Die, who seems to just be trying to stick up for what Kenny and Ozzie are doing with this team. Maybe he wants to see them succeed. Insane! The problem is, you guys have all made up your minds long ago that this team won't win the way Ozzie and Kenny think they can win.
Out-underacheiving the other guy.
by defensive indifference on Mar 25, 2008 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think...
they will win this year, period, and Guillen and Williams thinking they will is just hurting the long-term prospects of the organization.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Mar 25, 2008 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No shit!?
I'm am writing this down because it's hard for me to remember where you stand.
Out-underacheiving the other guy.
by defensive indifference on Mar 25, 2008 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoa.
Easy there, Tiger. It's just an expression of opinion. I'm far from the only one who repeats himself around here.
Look, I'd like to see the White Sox succeed. I think we all would. If a bunch of miracles happened, lightning struck, and the Sox won it all this year, I'd be ecstatic, and I'd gladly admit that I was wrong.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Mar 25, 2008 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't stand this sentiment
Like realistically looking at the roster and saying this is a shit team that is making more shit decisions makes you less of a fan. This team sucks and the roster decisions (Fields in AAA, Owens an everyday player and leadoff -- among others) are adding to the suckitude.
I'm not "down" on the team. I've just looked at the roster's past results and concluded this team is going nowhere.
by madvillian on Mar 25, 2008 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
suckitude
I like that.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 25, 2008 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"team that is making more shit decisions"
Well put.
Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?
by ballyb on Mar 25, 2008 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah this guy
got me fired from being Kenny's "Get me coffee" employee. This is why I don't have the inside scoop anymore.
My intelligence has seemed to increase since I was fired, but that is still debatable. Just ask Larry.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 25, 2008 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WHERE TRIPLES GO TO DIE =
SoB. I do believe in what Ozzie and Kenny are doing. I didn't believe in them when they traded away El Caballo I cried myself to sleep. They won the whole damn thing for us and now all we do is critique every move they make. It's not fair, I am not saying they get to run this team until they die, but lets see what we do this season before we judge their organizational philososphy.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 25, 2008 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We're not allowed...
to critique them based on 2006 and 2007?
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Mar 25, 2008 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong choice of words
criticize* There is nothing more the team officials could have done to improve the 2006 team. They were good enough to win but just didn't come through. Last year we would have won 90 games if you flip our interleague record. Plus who knows what that team would have done with a bullpen or giving Danks any run support in the first half. Thats why they play the games.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 25, 2008 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
". Last year we would have won 90 games if you flip our interleague record. "
Better check your math, bucko.
Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?
by ballyb on Mar 25, 2008 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
right but...
you're right. I meant to put 92.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 25, 2008 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
say what?
white sox finished 72-90
take out 4-14 inteleague and you get 68-76.
add 14-4 instead of 4-14 and you get 82-80.
Not 92.
"This has been a very long campaign so, occasionally I am a human being like everybody else. Last week for the first time in 12 or so years, I misspoke."
by Toonderstrook on Mar 25, 2008 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not to mention...
that a 14-4 interleague record would have tied the sox for best in the majors.
"This has been a very long campaign so, occasionally I am a human being like everybody else. Last week for the first time in 12 or so years, I misspoke."
by Toonderstrook on Mar 25, 2008 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what a forum like this is for....
To offer up opinions, critiques, criticisms, praise...whatever you damn well feel like....
"You might be impressed with your analysis, but I am not. Stop wasting my time." - Chris De Luca
by BoKnows on Mar 25, 2008 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sox working overtime - rofl
The White Sox's staff will start its daily meeting 30 minutes earlier Tuesday to accommodate extra dialogue involving final roster decisions.
30 minutes for the pursuit of excellence
So instead of a big splash, there were ripples -- enough to change the tide, Williams believes
by Brush Back on Mar 25, 2008 10:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hot off the Wire:
"The White Sox staff has notified team officials that unless they are compensated accordingly ( suggest an extra $10K bonus), they will not show up 30 min. early for today's meeting to finalize the 2008 roster.
This follow a strike by the Boston Red Sox support team.............."
Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?
by ballyb on Mar 25, 2008 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And again, the Sox hitters are taking up a collection
to keep Walker away from the meeting.
Next time, Bhoov, do some research.
by Chiburb on Mar 25, 2008 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's cool...
that there's "real" baseball being played.
What happened to Huston Street?
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Mar 25, 2008 10:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I suppose...
you could ask the same about Papelbon.
"They say that blood is thicker than water. What we have is thicker than blood."
by Toonderstrook on Mar 25, 2008 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe...
but Street blew it twice. Not so good.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Mar 25, 2008 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
After looking at the box score again,
I think I'm going to have to equate blowing it once against that putrid A's lineup with blowing it twice against the Red Sox lineup.
"They say that blood is thicker than water. What we have is thicker than blood."
by Toonderstrook on Mar 25, 2008 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Papelbon...
didn't even blow it. He was working with a two-run lead, and he gave up a run.
The A's lineup isn't bad so much as it is a complete enigma. If Buck, Barton, and Suzuki are good, Crosby stays healthy, and Cust shows that last year wasn't a fluke, the A's might have a halfway-decent lineup.
But that's a lot of question marks, right there.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Mar 25, 2008 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A's announcers.
I'm interested watch a few A's telecasts and listen to a few A's games to see where their broadcasters fall on the Hawk Homerism scale with unproven guys who are real "ballplayers" and to see how they react if some of them turn out to be Erstadish.
"They say that blood is thicker than water. What we have is thicker than blood."
by Toonderstrook on Mar 25, 2008 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The A's...
have a pretty decent broadcast team. Ray Fosse is a pretty good analyst.
They have Ken Korach in their radio booth - some Sox fans may remember him as a part-timer for the Sox in the early '90s.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Mar 25, 2008 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I concur
I think the A's announcers do a good job. You can tell that they're rooting for the A's, but nowhere near Hawk on the homerism scale.
Beware of listening to Giants broadcasts though. I can't figure out if it's more like Farmio with Singleton or having two DJs in the booth.
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.
by rhythm on Mar 25, 2008 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does your avatar mean you've joined the Hell's Angels
or something?
Next time, Bhoov, do some research.
by Chiburb on Mar 25, 2008 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That ain't no stinking Hell's Angels logo, brother.
And Altamont was all Mick Jagger's fault.
"They say that blood is thicker than water. What we have is thicker than blood."
by Toonderstrook on Mar 25, 2008 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It just doesn't fit with the white wine-sipping
image I have of you since your migration.
Care to explain? (Though if it's a cultural reference from the last 25 years I won't get it anyway.)
Next time, Bhoov, do some research.
by Chiburb on Mar 25, 2008 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Grateful Dead logo.
You don't see hippies moving to the Bay Area?
Out-underacheiving the other guy.
by defensive indifference on Mar 25, 2008 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not any more.
Too expensive.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Mar 25, 2008 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah! I should've known that. I thought maybe it was some lawyer
thing...
Next time, Bhoov, do some research.
by Chiburb on Mar 25, 2008 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
West Coast IPA
I'll leave the white wine swilling to WU.
"They say that blood is thicker than water. What we have is thicker than blood."
by Toonderstrook on Mar 25, 2008 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Red only, kid
DI, your tone sounds like a woman wearing a short skirt in a high wind. 80% of the posters took the "over" on 79.5 wins in a poll a couple weeks ago, right? (I, of course, took the "under".)
Watch what folks do, don't listen to what they say. If we see fewer and fewer posts, ala fall, '07, then we can seriously discuss a lack of support for the team (probably well-deserved).
Hey man, this game is a bunch of frontrunners. If you're good, they kiss your butt. If not, you're horse s---.''
by winningugly on Mar 25, 2008 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was surprised by the poll
but I think most of us wouldn't be confident enough to toss down money.
I know I think they're an 81 win team, so I took the over, but that 1.5 cushion is hardly significant and I wouldn't be putting much down at the window.
AIM: SouthSideCheat
by The Cheat on Mar 25, 2008 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Understood
But even a +/- error margin of 3-4 games puts most folks thinking we'll be better than last year.
I, of course, took the "under". 'Cause I'm a negative bastard.
(And larry, I would've covered my short last Friday on BSC at 5.5. Would NEVER go short over the weekend)
Hey man, this game is a bunch of frontrunners. If you're good, they kiss your butt. If not, you're horse s---.''
by winningugly on Mar 25, 2008 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
who posted the o/u of 79.5?
any of the casinos in vegas? i'd be willing to lay some down on the over.
all sports are better when there's gambling involved.
by thatshortkid on Mar 25, 2008 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that's actually high
I've seen it as low as 78
AIM: SouthSideCheat
by The Cheat on Mar 25, 2008 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Everybody just coooool out."
The Angels just didnt' listen to him!
Out-underacheiving the other guy.
by defensive indifference on Mar 25, 2008 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The real problem was
the Dead/Stones show was supposed to be under wraps until the morning of, but Jagger announced it two weeks early causing an exodus from all corners of the country and resulting in 250-300,000 people at the show. And the real Angels weren't there...the "prospects" were. I guess at least you can see the one Hell's Angel killing on the Stones' concert film.
"They say that blood is thicker than water. What we have is thicker than blood."
by Toonderstrook on Mar 25, 2008 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Geez, give it up, counselor
Ancient history. You can be a Hell's Angel if you want to. Leather chaps and all...
;-)
Hey man, this game is a bunch of frontrunners. If you're good, they kiss your butt. If not, you're horse s---.''
by winningugly on Mar 25, 2008 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Papelbon got lucky, though
Emil Brown doubled in Barton and then got caught in a rundown trying to stretch it to a triple, and then Crosby and Hannahan both singled. If Brown doesn't screw up, the A's have first and second with one out in a tie game.
Obviously, what actually takes place on the field is all that counts, but a walk, a double, and two singles is a pretty bad outing for Papelbon.
by Ryno on Mar 25, 2008 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was actually awake...
when the game was on last night. I should have tried to watch it, but I forgot.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Mar 25, 2008 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure you would have seen it last night
as the game started at 6:00am eastern...TODAY.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 25, 2008 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
3 A.M.
Local time. That's not morning yet for me.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Mar 25, 2008 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My bad
What were you doing up at 3:00am? Shopping on QVC?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 25, 2008 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The wife...
is sick, so neither of us were getting any sleep.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Mar 25, 2008 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
Cocaine and shopping on QVC at 3:00am? I'm moving to California today!
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 25, 2008 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh...
I'm still trying to figure out what to go with as my avatar. It's such a life-defining choice, too! I think I've got it scale down to an Albert Belle or Willie Harris photo but I can't find a top-class picture of either of them. Maybe I'll just go with my same facebook Pacman Jones image...
Oh, and I, for one, welcome our new SB Nation overlords.
by CWSKeith on Mar 25, 2008 11:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Mike Caruso?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 25, 2008 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oscar Gamble? Dig this hair!
http://www.baseballtoddsdugout.com/1976ToppsTradedGamble.jpg
Next time, Bhoov, do some research.
by Chiburb on Mar 25, 2008 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
According to Mark Gonzalez...
Toby Hall was "summoned into Ozzie Guillen's office" after their meeting this morning.
Press release caveats and all, but that's sort of interesting...
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Mar 25, 2008 12:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"but he joined his teammates in the workout after meeting with Williams."
Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?
by ballyb on Mar 25, 2008 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
takes a few days to clear waivers
nice of them to tell the player first this time.
by larry on Mar 25, 2008 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OR last buffet with the boys.
Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?
by ballyb on Mar 25, 2008 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Phillips
Had a nice spring....could it be? Toby did get a hit yesterday - I guess he gets one about once a month and throws out a runner about once a season.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 25, 2008 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Paul Phillips =
Chris Widger, as far as I can tell.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Mar 25, 2008 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Toby Hall =
White Fat Albert. Or Uribe less 50lbs.
But seriously, the guy hasn't been the same since the shoulder injury last spring...he can't throw worth a damn and now he can't hit either. A lot of dead weight.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Mar 25, 2008 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Regardless,
I bet his heart had a few extra pitter patters.
Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?
by ballyb on Mar 25, 2008 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cubs Signed Reed Johnson to a 1 yr. Deal
"You might be impressed with your analysis, but I am not. Stop wasting my time." - Chris De Luca
by BoKnows on Mar 25, 2008 12:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I called this one when he was first placed on waivers...
The Cubs will trade Murton now.
by SSH2005 on Mar 25, 2008 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Ozzie going with Pau Phillips as the backup catcher?
by SSH2005 on Mar 25, 2008 1:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't matter who the backup is.
Ozzie will play A.J. most of the time, against left and right handers. The backup will play a few Sunday day games.
by CurlyMoe on Mar 25, 2008 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sure it does
who is going to be buerleh's personal catcher??? Are the cubs interested in trading Blanco to us?
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 25, 2008 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, the more you post,
the more your identity becomes clearer.
Just start capitalizing everything and dissing Toonder and it'll have come full circle, SoB.
I took the "under".
by winningugly on Mar 25, 2008 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey SSH2005
Your links aren't going anywhere...
- Highlight the text you want to make a link.
- click the link button
- paste the url in the popup window.
Done.
AIM: SouthSideCheat
by The Cheat on Mar 25, 2008 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, I am making it harder than it actually is now...
I just posted in the Toby Hall Fanshot thread.
by SSH2005 on Mar 25, 2008 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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