Final bullpen spot is a no-brainer
by The Cheat on Mar 28, 2008 12:18 AM CDT
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Only a call from Governor Kenny can save Masset
Two paragraphs into writing a post trying to explain why the White Sox haven't yet cut bait with Nick Masset, I may have stumbled onto something. I wrote the following passage: Ehren Wassermann is a major league pitcher. He would make the roster of any major league club willing to carry twelve pitchers.
It was as I wrote those words it dawned on me; it must be Wassermann the Sox are shopping, not Masset. Truthfully, I don't believe that, but it's really the only logical explanation why the Sox opening day roster hasn't been finalized.
There's should be no debate about who is the better pitcher, regardless of role. One has a unique deliverly and skill set which may limit his effectiveness against a certain subset of hitters; the other has the ability to pitch ineffectively for multiple innings at a time against all subsets of hitters. Like I said, a no-brainer. Who needs effective pitching when you can have the flexibility of true mop-up man?
Mark Gonzales didn't run a single positive quote on Masset from Sox coaches in his article Friday, presumably because there was none to be had. This tells me one thing; Masset is only around because Kenny Williams still likes him, because Kenny still thinks he has a future, because Kenny wants the Danks-McCarhty trade to look like a solid win.
Lone Star Ball makes a point of which we were previously unaware. Because Masset has already been outrighted -- during the 2005 season, when the Sox claimed Ryan Wing from the Rangers, but not Masset -- he can declare himself a free agent when the Sox put him through waivers this time. Because of this, there's virtually no chance of Masset remaining in the organization unless he does so on the major league roster.
Think about that last line for a second. Masset will (most likely) no longer be in the organization if he doesn't make the club. If Kenny still thinks Masset has a future despite the massive amount of evidence to the contrary, he may actually force Ozzie's hand. If Masset makes the club, it's wasn't a decision about who is the best pitcher, about who made the club better; it was about the unrealized potential of Masset's fabled 98 MPH fastball.
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Hey, we agree!
I really think Masset will make the team; I just don't see Williams giving up on him so soon. And I felt bad for thinking that -- it smacks of innate pessimism and anti-Williams bias (which I'm emabrking on a 12-step plan to conquer). Anyway, your post makes me feel better about my semi-gloomy tea-leave reading.
I hadn't considered that the Sox would trade Wasserman (has an option left I think, doesn't he?). If he can be stashed in AAA, trading him seems silly unless the Sox are down on him. Someone from the bullpen will have their arm fall (Dotel?) or just suck (Mac?) and some minor league reliever will get called up. But, I think you could very well be right. Wassermann isn't the Sox preferred power arm reliever, and I could see them thinking that they'd be selling high on him. It's too bad if so, because a guy who makes it to the bigs after trying out is easy to root for. Plus he's a better pitcher than Masset.
In the big scheme, I suppose a bad decision about the last man in the bullpen isn't a big deal -- it won't make or break the Sox season. But it seems like the Sox have a habit of making bad decisions on the margins: not platooning Fields with Thome, not moving Dye to LF, not realizing a sunk cost with Hall, signing Ozuna which leads to him taking up a roster spot even though he's redundant, and keeping Masset because he can pitch 3 bad innings instead of one decent inning. Put all together and I have to think costs them some wins.
by hitlesswonder on Mar 28, 2008 12:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The hitting coach has a hitting coach
I was just looking at the stats for Cheat's 1986 team:
Greg Walker: .309/.385/.522
What the hell has gotten into him?
by Sox Machine on Mar 28, 2008 2:34 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Greg Walker...
was a good hitter back in the day. If he had stayed healthy, he could easily have had a Mark Grace-type career. He just couldn't stay healthy.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Mar 28, 2008 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus, There Was That Seizure Thing
Hey, when you're talking mediocre mid-80s White Sox, you are really in my sweet spot. Greg Walker was a great looking young hitter when he came up. I remember Bill James writing, somewhere around 1984-5, that AL fans could really look forward to watching three terrific young first-basemen develop and dominate. The three guys he had in mind were Don Mattingly, Kent Hrbek and Greg Walker.
Walk's 1984 campaign was beautiful thing. As a 24 year old, he went .294/.346/.532 (basically what he's doing for Cheat). Remember, this was the mid-80s, when those numbers meant something. His OPS+ was 135 and his OWP was .657. He was going to be the next big thing. (It still kills me that we added this great young bat to a team that won 99 games - taking Tom f'ing Paciorek's place no less - and still tanked in 1984.) It never really happened for him. He pinged through the 80s with a few decent years but it seemed like when he was healthy, he wasn't developing and whenever he started going good, he got hurt.
Then in the Summer of 88 he had this seizure while warming up for a game. The way I remember it, Herm Schneider (or one of his assistants?) saved Walk's life by sticking a pair of tape scissors into his mouth and pulling his tongue out of his throat. It was scary as hell. He was done for the year but he came back in 89. I remember being at the Home Opener that year and as they introduced the players, Walk got biggest ovation (excepting, maybe, Harold) because we were all just so glad he was alive. I remember how happy he looked just to have made it back. Its stories and threads like that that make it worthwhile to watch a team over decades.
by Landfill on Mar 28, 2008 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I thought the team...
would win in a walk in '84. With Baines, Kittle, Walker, Fisk, and Luzinski, and adding Tom Seaver to a staff that already had Dotson, Bannister, and Britt Burns, I thought they couldn't lose.
When the Cubs added Greg Maddux to the team in 2004, I compared them to the '84 White Sox. Cubs fans poo-poohed me.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Mar 28, 2008 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're forgetting
La Marr Hoyt. The big dude was an absolute horse in 1982 and 1983. He was a funny pitcher since he didn't play the way he looked. He looked and acted like some macho flame-thrower but what he really was was a control freak. In his Cy Young year, he walked 31 guys in 260 innings. That's nuts.
Of course, he tanked in 1984 too and then Hemmond traded him to San Diego for a punk Venezuelan kid named Guillen. I always wondered if Hemmond knew in his heart that Hoyt was into some serious bad-shit and dumped him before the drugs got him.
by Landfill on Mar 28, 2008 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah...
the Sox brass knew that Hoyt was trouble.
I forgot about LaMarr Hoyt. IIRC, he didn't have good stuff at all - he just threw strikes. An object lesson in the value of not walking guys.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Mar 28, 2008 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You weren't the only one
who thought we were pointed for success in '84. I think I was more disappointed with that season than when Tito Landrum's homer flew over my head in that 1-0 playoff heartbreaker in '83.
I dug that Winning Ugly team.
I took the "under".
by winningugly on Mar 28, 2008 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow, i never would have guessed you dug that team...
"This has been a very long campaign so, occasionally I am a human being like everybody else. Last week for the first time in 12 or so years, I misspoke."
by Toonderstrook on Mar 28, 2008 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you like teeing up my lollipops?
I took the "under".
by winningugly on Mar 28, 2008 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"I thought they couldn't lose."
Ah ha! So we can trace your rampant pessimism back to that season!
Thanks for the info on the seizure. That's new to me.
by Sox Machine on Mar 28, 2008 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nick of time...
I don't want to lose Masset and get nothing of value in return. Letting him walk strikes me as a waste of his talent and/or potential.
"The championship pennants, oh long may they wave - O'er the grounds of the Sox and the Cubs gloomy grave." - 1906 Chicago Daily News
by DrCrawdad on Mar 28, 2008 7:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
it could also be, cheat
that the sox are well aware that masset can walk and want to show him every bit of "respect" and provide him every opportunity and support in order to make him want to stay with the sox organization as opposed to free agency. i realize i'm looking at this as a more neutral observer than masset (who may think he's hot shit and the organization, not him, is the problem) but if i were him and i was receiving everything i seem to be getting from the sox, i'd probably want to stay here as opposed to trying my luck with another organization that may not have as much invested in me. it's not like masset really needs a change of scenery - he's been here for barely a year and, while he's worn out his welcome on SSS, he hasn't done so much damage in the minds of regular sox fans and newspaper columnists to be of the not welcome here ilk.
just another perspective.
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by larry on Mar 28, 2008 8:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Most reg fans I talk to
think Masset sucks. I cant defend my boy here. He is on an island.
by Tdogg on Mar 28, 2008 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, they think he sucks
but i don't think anyone would be screaming and hollering if the sox were to call him up at some point in the season - especially a lost season. i probably wouldn't be either, if he were producing a decent line in AAA. my point is that this isn't a guy who has done so much damage to his reputation that your average sox fan is going to boo him at his first appearance. and i frankly think you oversstate who regular sox fans are, or at least how i define them. i'm not talking about season ticket holders. i'm talking about the casual fans who watch a few games a week and go to a few a year. i doubt most of them could pick masset out of a lineup, let alone recall his name.
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by larry on Mar 28, 2008 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is hilarious
there are some guys who can really hold a grudge but this guy takes the cake:
"Money can change any habit. Eight springs ago the Mets and Cubs opened the season, not in Cincinnati. Guess where? Tokyo. That Tokyo, the guys who gave us Pearl Harbor. Some people don’t like you to bring that up, trade with Japan is so hot. But I’ve got a long memory. I saw what a few bombs can do to our property."
http://www.firejoemorgan.com/2008/03/cancel-baseball-cancel-sports-cancel.html
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by larry on Mar 28, 2008 9:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Im still mad at the British
What they did in Boston was bullshit!
by Tdogg on Mar 28, 2008 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those guys are great....
"You might be impressed with your analysis, but I am not. Stop wasting my time." - Chris De Luca
by BoKnows on Mar 28, 2008 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i read this earlier
and i thought "those cunning japanese." perhaps that's what this guy was thinking - they don't change, they're just waiting for their chance to pounce.
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by larry on Mar 28, 2008 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Inscrutable
Ma always told me "The Bible says the yellow race will rule the world!" when I was a kid. Perhaps because my bes friends' names were Yi and Mitsui.
I took the "under".
by winningugly on Mar 28, 2008 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
dang, speculation
is all we have here for a couple of days.
If the 2008 Sox are about winning NOW (Williams' stated philosophy)-- then Wasserman has to make the club.
It might taste bad to KW but Masset can't make this club. "These ain't your daddy's White Sox." The MLB club is not an internship for wannabees and prospects.
Sooner or later in this league, guys with hot arms have to learn to pitch and get people out.
Masset hasn't gotten it done. Whether there is hope for the future or not, who knows. Maybe he will mature, maybe he's a career AAAA pitcher.
But Williams can't put him on the ML roster and say he wants to win this year.
If Masset walks, he walks. If somebody snarfs him up, so be it.
by ruffster on Mar 28, 2008 9:31 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What About Ohka?
I am a former Chicagoan living in Virginia and watching the Sox from afar. Tomo Ohka seemed to have a good spring and could perhaps fill that long relief role the Sox envision for Massett. I found very little written about him, though. Can anybody enlighten me about how the Sox see him fitting in, if at all, and whether we should even this guy is anything other than a washed up starter.
by VAChisox on Mar 28, 2008 9:32 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
ohka
he was pretty much signed as filler for the charlotte rotation. to put him on the team, he'd have to be added to the 40 man, which i think the sox probably don't want to do at this point. there's no denying that he did what he was supposed to do in ST but he's really not that great of a pitcher to begin with and i'm not sure if he'd be well-suited for a relief role. i think he's likely to get a look at some point this season, probably in a spot start. he was atrocious last season but he may still have a little juice left to be a back-end starter.
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by larry on Mar 28, 2008 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And with our 3 backend pitchers
there's a good chance we may see him before the All Star game
So instead of a big splash, there were ripples -- enough to change the tide, Williams believes
by Brush Back on Mar 28, 2008 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dunno about that
broadway and haeger are probably up before him for sure. i'd bet egbert, too. sisco, if he performs, would be in that too. since he's not on the 40 the sox really would have to want to take a look. i was thinking they would maybe give him a start or some innings in september for sure, and perhaps something before that, as a courtesy. he really is in charlotte as filler. if the sox decide they want to move someone(s) up from birmingam, and there isn't a commensurate move to the big club from charlotte, he's going to get released.
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by larry on Mar 28, 2008 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sisco
i think i recall the sox saying he's now back to being a reliever but they've jerked this guy around so much i can't keep it straight. so what i said only applies if he's still a starter. which seems to be quite fluid.
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by larry on Mar 28, 2008 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True - I just lumped Ohka in there as a group
So instead of a big splash, there were ripples -- enough to change the tide, Williams believes
by Brush Back on Mar 28, 2008 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Okha...
even going to pitch for Charlotte?
The impression I got (which may indeed be flawed) was that the Sox were just letting Ohka showcase his abilities this spring, so he could sign with a team that might have more of a need for him.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Mar 28, 2008 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's been on their roster the whole month
i think it was flawed because he probably would have been released instead of assigned to minor league camp if that were the plan.
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by larry on Mar 28, 2008 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd have
to disagree with the "no chance he would remain in the org." I mean why wouldn't he remain in an organization where he is clearly valued more highly than any other organization? I mean realistically would he even be in the discussion of making the team with any other organization? The guy has no chance to make the major league roster of any team. So would he rather go to AAA of the team that values him most highly or some other org?
I'd put the chances of him clearing waivers and going to Charlotte at 50-60% vs choosing to go to some other orgs AAA team (0% chance to be in the majors opening day).
by bhoov on Mar 28, 2008 10:13 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Masset
it sucks that we are going to lose him for nothing, but it sucks even more than we are going to have to burn one of our starters in waiting as a long man on the big club. Mop-up innings are EXTREMELY important on a contending club, especially one with injury-prone relievers like the Sox. We need someone to eat innings when we want to pack a game in for the night, or when a starter throws too many pitches in an outing. Masset was supposed to be this guy, but has shown that his breaking ball rolls in the desert and his head gets in front of his ability. It really sucks, but it has to be done. Wass is the more effective pitcher, but now we need to find someone to take in that rubber-arm role. Why oh why couldnt we find our own Scot Shields?
by Rockraines on Mar 28, 2008 10:23 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
or broadway
haegar make actually end up being a legitimate starter one day. broadway, not so much. if the sox were actually intent on keeping a long man, which i don't think they are, he would be the best option.
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by larry on Mar 28, 2008 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can Haeger eat innings?
I know this has been discussed, but he's not done much with each shot he gets at the major league level. I know the knucksie can be thrown even at my age but he's got to have some level of effectiveness.
I took the "under".
by winningugly on Mar 28, 2008 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
which is why i think he needs to be starting regularly to get a feel for the pitch
as opposed to sitting in the bullpen getting a few innings here and there. six innings in charlotte every five days is much better.
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by larry on Mar 28, 2008 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was he not pitching regularly
in Charlotte last year? And when he came up (and he, with a good performance or two, would've stuck) he was lit up like a pinball machine. How long before he gets the feel of it? Does he need to be Jim Bouton-esque in terms of age/arm strength?
I've just never been a fan of Haeger. I'd take Broadway in a second.
I took the "under".
by winningugly on Mar 28, 2008 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and what JRE said
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by larry on Mar 28, 2008 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It takes a long time...
to develop a good knuckleball. Even guys who have done it for years have trouble on occasion.
Haeger isn't yet able to find the "feel for his knuckleball on a consistent basis. It's a matter of time and, most importantly, patience.
I believe that 2008 is his last option year (someone correct me if I'm wrong). I have no problem with him starting in Charlotte this year - a job at the major-league level as mop-up man won't help him - but I hope that next year the Sox give him a real chance before letting him walk.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Mar 28, 2008 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or...
what larry said.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Mar 28, 2008 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL. Foiled again, JRE!
larry trumps all. I'm learning to sit and wait for it rather than try to get in quickly.
I took the "under".
by winningugly on Mar 28, 2008 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he was pretty decent in 06
and that was out of the pen.
by Tdogg on Mar 28, 2008 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beginner's luck?
'06 was decades ago....
I took the "under".
by winningugly on Mar 28, 2008 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually in 06 as a reliever
he was ridiculous. Small sample though.
by Tdogg on Mar 28, 2008 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
confusion.
i don't understand this "we have to get something of value to dump masset" train of thought. why would anybody give up anything, let alone aplayer of value, for a guy with a career line like his who either has lost velocity, or never had the velocity and instead throws a straight-as-an-arrow 93 mph fastball?
"This has been a very long campaign so, occasionally I am a human being like everybody else. Last week for the first time in 12 or so years, I misspoke."
by Toonderstrook on Mar 28, 2008 10:33 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i don't understand it either
KW can say whatever he wants about masset. he was a throw-in. it didn't work out. i don't like dumping assets for nothing, either, but when that's what their value is, c'est la vie. at any rate, it's likely we will get something of value: waiver fees are valuable, after all. and i feel fairly confident that if we don't get that we have the privilege of keeping him for another season at charlotte.
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by larry on Mar 28, 2008 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually - wasn't Danks the throw in?
I thought KW was after Masset and the amazing technicolor fastball
So instead of a big splash, there were ripples -- enough to change the tide, Williams believes
by Brush Back on Mar 28, 2008 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
i believe the sell was that KW wanted both equally. which, as we all know, is a load of horseshit considering how much/long KW had coveted danks.
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by larry on Mar 28, 2008 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The real question is
What happened to Jacob Rasner?
So instead of a big splash, there were ripples -- enough to change the tide, Williams believes
by Brush Back on Mar 28, 2008 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's crazy because...
it seems like as many people are saying we need to get something back for Massett as are saying to just dump Crede already and cut their losses. I realize it's probably not the same people saying these two things but it still seems curious.
Out-underacheiving the other guy.
by defensive indifference on Mar 28, 2008 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think...
the only person saying that the Sox need to get something back for Masset is Crawdad.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Mar 28, 2008 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rockraines too.
He's disappointed we aren't going to get anything in return, plus I believe there are a few others in different areas of the site. It's been a LONG time since I believed Masset would get anything in return. Since...when did he first pitch for the Sox?
Out-underacheiving the other guy.
by defensive indifference on Mar 28, 2008 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's having lunch with
michael dubee.
"This has been a very long campaign so, occasionally I am a human being like everybody else. Last week for the first time in 12 or so years, I misspoke."
by Toonderstrook on Mar 28, 2008 11:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
FanShots.
Is anyone looking at the FanShots at all? I posted one last night and it seems like the link would've been seen more had I just posted it as a comment up here. I know I personally haven't had much time to get that far down the page. And I haven't even been at work all week!
Out-underacheiving the other guy.
by defensive indifference on Mar 28, 2008 12:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i agree about fanshots
i always liked how on SSS everything was in one thread - links, comments on everything in the last x hours since the thread was posted. on the new site there seems to be a bit of a decentralization of stuff if people are posting things in fanshots. i'd rather it was all in one thread.
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by larry on Mar 28, 2008 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now you have to market your FanShots.
Hey, Larry, I think you should really check out the link I provided in the FanShots section of this web-site. I think it's right up your alley! After you've read it if you could just click the "recommend" button at the bottom of the page to show your appreciation, that'd be great. Thanks, friendo!
Out-underacheiving the other guy.
by defensive indifference on Mar 28, 2008 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'll click yours if you click mine
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by larry on Mar 28, 2008 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, great!
This is turning into reality tv!
Out-underacheiving the other guy.
by defensive indifference on Mar 28, 2008 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
somebody
i'll not name names, sent me the link to that article yesterday so that's why i didn't "view" it before.
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by larry on Mar 28, 2008 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was Nick Silver, wasn't it.
Nice guy! Lettin' everyone know when he gets press.
Out-underacheiving the other guy.
by defensive indifference on Mar 28, 2008 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
*Nate, rather.
Nick Masset on the mind
Out-underacheiving the other guy.
by defensive indifference on Mar 28, 2008 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree, respectfully
Throwing everything into one big thread is a bug, not a feature, from my perspective. I like having different places where different conversations can proceed simultaneously. Having the running banter of quickly written, relatively short comments is great for the main, top-of-the-page posting and game threads. If the top post changes, the banter can just move to the new thread. But I also like having some threads that are more drawn out and, hopefully, a little more developed. Those seem like the kinds of things that belong in the Fanposts. My suggestion has been to find a way to move the Fanposts summary up on page so that everyone can seem them easily and contribute. When you look at the views numbers, its pretty clear most people aren't looking at the Fanposts as they're currently configured. I guess that means that, de facto, Larry has what he wants - all the action is in the one main thread - but, like I said, I see that as a bug.
by Landfill on Mar 28, 2008 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i have no problem with the fanposts; we had those on the old site
i'm talking about the stuff that fanshots seems designed for.
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by larry on Mar 28, 2008 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ideally...
This section should have its own scroll bar so that the items to the right could be always seen on the side - though in a more minimized size - seems like a lot of dead space separating items + the add takes up a lot (and is slow to run!)
So instead of a big splash, there were ripples -- enough to change the tide, Williams believes
by Brush Back on Mar 28, 2008 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's my problem...
and I hope I don't offend anyone. I think the FanShots section is being overused by the people who could be putting links and quotes in main posts (sorry, Cheat & Wiz). A lot of the stuff they included in gamethreads and recaps is now being put down in FanShots, which I think should be saved more for the rest of us who aren't on the Main Stage.
Out-underacheiving the other guy.
by defensive indifference on Mar 28, 2008 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
get him!
we'll throw him in the lake, and if he floats he's a witch!
"This has been a very long campaign so, occasionally I am a human being like everybody else. Last week for the first time in 12 or so years, I misspoke."
by Toonderstrook on Mar 28, 2008 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
But what else floats?
So instead of a big splash, there were ripples -- enough to change the tide, Williams believes
by Brush Back on Mar 28, 2008 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Little pebbles
So instead of a big splash, there were ripples -- enough to change the tide, Williams believes
by Brush Back on Mar 28, 2008 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
could you at least recommend my post if I recommend yours?
Out-underacheiving the other guy.
by defensive indifference on Mar 28, 2008 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree
the way links were added (generally by wiz) to the main post in the old site seems a better way. i see stuff down there that i've seen/read elsewhere. if someone had posted it in the main thread i'd probably make a comment about it. but clicking down there and then having to keep checking to see if someone replies seems like it would get to be a bit much. i don't want to be "monitoring" a gamethread, a post by cheat, two diaries, four fanshots, and so on.
i think what i put as a fanshot was an appropriate use. first, since it's BP, not everyone will have access to the article. second, it's not really directly white sox related, or "temporal" in the sense that it's a quote about nick masset's last start which will become something no one cares about much fifteen hours after it's posted but will still be down there
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by larry on Mar 28, 2008 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no need to be sorry
I certainly put quotes and links in FanShots
I think if those had a bright indicator (like the letters 'new' in red), they would get more attention
and maybe they should go higher and the 'recent posts' lower
I know such summaries are useful in news sites (google, espn, etc.) but this isn't a news site
I don't think I have used the 'recent' box even once so far
by The Wizard on Mar 28, 2008 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
fanshots are a lot easier though
highlight and click the bookmarklet...
by The Wizard on Mar 28, 2008 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but if no one reads them?
we'll see how they develop. but the reaction so far has been less than impressive.
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by larry on Mar 28, 2008 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
move them where they can see them?
change the color of 'new' from black to red since the sox team colors are black and white?
by The Wizard on Mar 28, 2008 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe
probably asking the wrong guy because, like i said, most of the stuff that's posted there, especially quotes and so on, i've seen elsewhere. so i'm not going to click wherever you put them. maybe others feel the same as me that they just don't want to be bothered clicking and posting in eight different places.
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by larry on Mar 28, 2008 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the recent posts box is silly
it takes, what, eight seconds to scroll and see what's here? maybe if you're a new or very infrequent visitor but i'm not sure how much they necessarily need to be catered to. you want to bring people in but wasting space like that...?
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by larry on Mar 28, 2008 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think the SB Nation people...
are finding our commentary on the new site useful, or are they starting to just roll their eyes at us? Haha. I imagine them sitting in their office, or whatever, thinking ENOUGH ALREADY.
Out-underacheiving the other guy.
by defensive indifference on Mar 28, 2008 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I disagree with you, respectfully, of course
I liked having things altogether in one thread. Didn't have to go back to the main page and scroll through numerous fan posts, fan shots ,whatever they are called, for something that was probably covered in a thread somewhere else.
So I agree with Larry there.
Personally, I when I look at the main page I get confused. There's just too many places to click and see. I just get overwhelmed and ignore everything but the main threads.
Actually, the only three things I like about the new SSS is the auto-updating threads, the boxscores, and the avatars. Everything else can go and I'll be happier.
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."
by Shoeless In SC on Mar 28, 2008 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
re
I just get overwhelmed and ignore everything but the main threads.
then don't miss this:
http://www.southsidesox.com/2008/3/28/363494/batter-breakdown-reese-hav
by The Wizard on Mar 28, 2008 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
cany anyone explain why
"leadoff man with a high on-base percentage" is prefaced by "veteran" in this? who gives a shit if the guy is 24 or 34? sullivan is one of the writers who generally 'gets it' so I probably shouldn't be too hard on a guy who is blogging about the need for OBP (and not speed) at the top of the order. but he next needs to disabuse himself of this veteran presence hang-up. the cubs have enough veterans so it's not like they're hurting for leaders, mentors, examples, guys to tell stories about the 90s, and so on.
http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2008/03/cubs-head-for-v.html
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by larry on Mar 28, 2008 12:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The only reason I can think of
Look at the back of the card (sorry)- a guy who had high obp last season, may not do it again this season (or for that matter in the majors - sorry again)... however a vet with a track record may show a more consistant track record of it. Not to mention have better instincts on the basesonce there.
Now if thats what he meant - I don't know - thats how I read it based on my limited BB knowledge
So instead of a big splash, there were ripples -- enough to change the tide, Williams believes
by Brush Back on Mar 28, 2008 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i guess that could be it
but then citing roberts, presumably as an example of a veteran leadoff hitter with a high on-base percentage, seems sort of odd because he's certainly not consistend.
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by larry on Mar 28, 2008 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He just bought into the Cubs marketing to pre-justify the trade
2 decent OBP years in the last 4, with a couple barely average for what you would want in a leadoff
So instead of a big splash, there were ripples -- enough to change the tide, Williams believes
by Brush Back on Mar 28, 2008 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i thought it was a requirement
that to be a sportswriter for a mainstream publication you had to buy into things like veteran presence, speed above all else at the top of the lineup, and others like phyllis's +/- system.
in the end, i think he has to write a certain amount of words and because he isn't that good or creative (or isn't allowed to be at the very least), he ends up writing at least some nonsensical crap.
"This has been a very long campaign so, occasionally I am a human being like everybody else. Last week for the first time in 12 or so years, I misspoke."
by Toonderstrook on Mar 28, 2008 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Style
Do you want your "sparkplug", your "table-setter", to look like Brian Anderson? Heck no! He might try and sleep with your wife! It's why we financial advisors look better as we get older - some experience gives folks comfort (right or wrong - some of the biggest idiots I've met in the business are older than 40). A young, talented guy might scare you by making horrible decisions on the basepaths, or might be worried about padding his stats before he'd take one for the team to get an inning started.
It's all style and perception. But the perception exists, obviously, though the reality doesn't back it up.
I took the "under".
by winningugly on Mar 28, 2008 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
a-rod's the one who will try to sleep with your wife
BA wants your daughter.
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by larry on Mar 28, 2008 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
are you calling BA a ped?
"This has been a very long campaign so, occasionally I am a human being like everybody else. Last week for the first time in 12 or so years, I misspoke."
by Toonderstrook on Mar 28, 2008 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
dirty mind, you
wouldn't surprise. the way he walks to the plate, looking like he wants to undress that 8 year old in row 7.
i was more thinking that, when i've seen him out at local taverns, he seems to like the girls who got in by either using a fake id or blowing the bouncer.
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by larry on Mar 28, 2008 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
me?
after all the dick talk around here the last few days, i'm the one with the dirty mind? you clearly said that BA wanted WU's daughter.
"This has been a very long campaign so, occasionally I am a human being like everybody else. Last week for the first time in 12 or so years, I misspoke."
by Toonderstrook on Mar 28, 2008 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
after he referred to your wife?
i wasn't aware you were married. i think we were both using "your" in the more global, non-specific sense.
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by larry on Mar 28, 2008 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh, come on now...
surely you didn't think i actually read his entire post...
"This has been a very long campaign so, occasionally I am a human being like everybody else. Last week for the first time in 12 or so years, I misspoke."
by Toonderstrook on Mar 28, 2008 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, of course not
by the same token, i wouldn't think you'd jump to the conclusion that i necessarily meant "your" in that way.
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by larry on Mar 28, 2008 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you win.
this has been a very long week so, occasionally i am a human being like everybody else. in that earlier post, for the first time in 29 years or so, i misspoke.
"This has been a very long campaign so, occasionally I am a human being like everybody else. Last week for the first time in 12 or so years, I misspoke."
by Toonderstrook on Mar 28, 2008 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it was shitty writing on my part
and not for the first time. language precision certainly isn't my aim with most of my posts, especially when of the non-trivial nature.
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by larry on Mar 28, 2008 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and a snarky remark on my part.
i'll drink to that.
"This has been a very long campaign so, occasionally I am a human being like everybody else. Last week for the first time in 12 or so years, I misspoke."
by Toonderstrook on Mar 28, 2008 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, the attention span ain't what it used to be
Or perhaps I'm a tad windy.
I took the "under".
by winningugly on Mar 28, 2008 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hire Rickey Henderson!
You don't get much more veteran than that!
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Mar 28, 2008 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bring back Rock!
So instead of a big splash, there were ripples -- enough to change the tide, Williams believes
by Brush Back on Mar 28, 2008 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've seen him...
running back and forth on the sidelines. He's keeping himself ready.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Mar 28, 2008 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And prob can still outrun over half the team to 1st
So instead of a big splash, there were ripples -- enough to change the tide, Williams believes
by Brush Back on Mar 28, 2008 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that was awesome!
Do you want your "sparkplug", your "table-setter", to look like Brian Anderson? Heck no! He might try and sleep with your wife!
:p
by The Wizard on Mar 28, 2008 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lmao
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."
by Shoeless In SC on Mar 28, 2008 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
By the way...
was it wrong of me to hope that Crede's ankle injury was serious? I hate to root for injury, but I feel like the team has left me little choice...
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Mar 28, 2008 1:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
SSSers rooting for injury?
That's novel.
Out-underacheiving the other guy.
by defensive indifference on Mar 28, 2008 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
considering your history
yes, it was wrong. fifteen hail marys and ten our fathers.
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by larry on Mar 28, 2008 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Karma Police will get you eventually
Root away!!
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by BoKnows on Mar 28, 2008 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i know bad writing when i see it
but i also know good. this was a pretty solid closing by joe sheehan at BP, writing about dusty and the reds:
"The potential is there, however, for Baker to once again ride 88-win talent to 84 wins, and be hailed a hero for it."
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=7284
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by larry on Mar 28, 2008 2:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking the same thing earlier this week
Baker would be my pick in Vegas right now for NL manager of the year...
All he has to do is have Cueto and Volquez (both of whom have considerable talent) step up and he could win the thing. Add in some Votto and Bruce and you might could have yourself a division champion, vetruns be damned.
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by The Cheat on Mar 28, 2008 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
DOES ANYONE KNOW WHERE
I CAN FIND A B.A. JERSEY? =)
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 28, 2008 2:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wait about a month.
The'll be on the discount rack.
Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?
by ballyb on Mar 28, 2008 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
triple threat sports
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by larry on Mar 28, 2008 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The pen
If Wasserman makes the team, you will see at least two key injuries in the pen over the first few months, which will KILL this team. As it would stand you would have 2 situational lefties in Thorton and Logan. 1 Situational righty in Wass, 1 6th inning guy in MacD, 2 setup 1 innings guys in Dotel and Linebrink and a closer. If one of the young starters cant stay in past the 4th inning, we will burn most of our guys in that game which will lead to overuse.
Someone in AAA needs to step up and be the swing man, we cannot risk overuse of this pen with two young starters and a 50-year old coming off of his worst season ever with a back problem.
by Rockraines on Mar 28, 2008 2:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Shouldn't you be championing
Jack Egbert or Lucas Harrell then? Both can unspectacularly eat up major league innings better than Masset.
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by The Cheat on Mar 28, 2008 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Harrell...
is something of an unknown quantity at this point, isn't he?
I was actually sort of interested in DJ Carrasco this spring. Nothing special there, but he's got to be better than Masset.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Mar 28, 2008 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah unkown
but I've been on the bandwagon since early '06, and saw him twice late in games this spring.
He's better than masset... FB was 92-94, good movement. Good, but inconsistent slider, change that needs work. If Harrel can work with Perdew (they should be together at AA B'ham) to put the ball in the strike zone, he'll rocket up our prospect list.
Your also right about carrasco... Not that he was any great shakes, but if the Sox were truly interested in unspectacularly eating innings, they would have taken him over Masset in a second.
AIM: SouthSideCheat
by The Cheat on Mar 28, 2008 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eggy
Eggy is an interesting arm, but didnt show much in ST and has a sore arm. I would think Broadway would be the best option since he doesnt seem to have a huge future in the roation, and his curveball will bite better out of the desert. I would hope Haeger could figure it out as a knuckler would be ideal since he can pitch back to back days and can eat innings like Uribe at a buffet. Ohka is also interesting for that role. Masset obviously doesnt have what he had as a reliever, and his one awesome start against the cubs was an outlier. Either way we need a garbage/long man, and the pen doesnt have anyone like that in it at the moment.
by Rockraines on Mar 28, 2008 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A 7-man bullpen doesn't really need a long man.
by SSH2005 on Mar 28, 2008 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
indeed
this fetish of the long reliever is fine enough, i guess, but i don't actually see the need. sure, floyd and danks and maybe throw in contreras aren't great shakes. but i think we can reasonably expect at least 5 innings from them in the vast majority of starts. i'm fairly certain 7 guys can handle those innings. and if we aren't getting 5-6 from floyd and danks consistently i don't think it really matters what we're doing in the bullpen.
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by larry on Mar 28, 2008 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly...
I would rather have the better reliever on the roster who can get that tough right-handed hitter out in working toward a win than a long man who is just going to be eating up innings in a blow-out loss.
by SSH2005 on Mar 28, 2008 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's a "margin for error" thing
the sox don't have any. they don't have any on offense so they may as well not have any on the pitching staff, either. they need to have everything be perfect or almost or it doesn't matter. if we actually have a need for a long man, it's over for the sox anyway.
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by larry on Mar 28, 2008 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly what?
When we burn out our whole pen in a blowout loss just to finish the game and then have nobody available to pitch effectively in the next close game and lose than one too, you will know the important of having a long man who can eat up those innings. Nobody is calling for masset on the roster here, but we DO need someone to fullfill that role. You cant have a pen of all 1-inning guys, you just cant.
by Rockraines on Mar 28, 2008 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so you're saying guys who pitch one innings are physically incapable of pitching the next game. got it.
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by larry on Mar 28, 2008 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would guess that...
in the event of a blowout loss, the guy who will have to "take one for the team", as it were, would be the starter. I suspect that, unless the starter is hurt, Guillen will do whatever it takes to try and get him through 4-5 innings.
The only time it would be an issue, I think, is if the starter did get hurt early in the game. Then there might be a small issue right there.
Now, I'd prefer it if the team had a decent long man myself, but that's mainly so that the team doesn't have to have a 7-man bullpen at all. But that's a separate discussion entirely.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Mar 28, 2008 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"exactly"
ozzie has never been one to pull his starters early. contreras last year was really the first guy (outside of the fifth starter debacle era) where ozzie was going out there in the first few innings and pulling him. even when MB was getting lit up in 06, he rarely pitched less than four and change. it may partially be personnel (MB and garland and javy are special sorts) but i think there's a managerial philosophy playing a big role, too. floyd was getting lit up some in some starts last year and ozzie kept him out there when i think other managers would have pulled him.
at any rate, i agree about your last point and also agree about leaving that for a separate discussion. i will note, however, that i will be shocked if the sox don't have a "long man" in their pen by july.
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by larry on Mar 28, 2008 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Masset is garbage...
Who wants a starter or reliever with a 92 MPH fastball that can't even get it over the plate. The guy gives up hits and walks like they are going out of style. His WHIP is putrid. He is not the guy that Kenny advertised. I really don't care if some team claims his sorry ass.
by SSH2005 on Mar 28, 2008 2:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What if the Sox do this?
1.) Use MacDougal's last option to send him to AAA.
2.) Keep both Masset and Wassermann in the bullpen to start the season.
3.) Try to send Masset to AAA during the season when other team's rosters are set and recall MacDougal.
Or was MacDougal already guaranteed a spot in the bullpen?
I could see Kenny trying something like this since he seems to be the only one who likes Masset.
by SSH2005 on Mar 28, 2008 3:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
it's total fantasy that some team is going to pick up masset and put him on their major league roster
you've got to be joking. if anyone actually wants this guy they'd probably be less likely to pick him up now than in a few months. there are going to be tons of guys floating around in the next few days.
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by larry on Mar 28, 2008 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Larry
Masset is better than many teams 5th starters. Who is Clevelands 5th starter again?
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 28, 2008 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is a joke
i'm not taking the bait.
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by larry on Mar 28, 2008 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well considering
the Orioles don't even have a 5th starter we can start there.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 28, 2008 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the orioles are probably on the phone to kenny williams as we speak...
"This has been a very long campaign so, occasionally I am a human being like everybody else. Last week for the first time in 12 or so years, I misspoke."
by Toonderstrook on Mar 28, 2008 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they are...
they're probably asking about Lance Broadway or Jack Egbert or Charlie Haeger or even Tomo Ohka, not about Masset.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Mar 28, 2008 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but
masset is better than many teams' fifth starter. and joe crede is the best third baseman in baseball.
"This has been a very long campaign so, occasionally I am a human being like everybody else. Last week for the first time in 12 or so years, I misspoke."
by Toonderstrook on Mar 28, 2008 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And...
Jermaine Dye is a good defensive outfielder.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Mar 28, 2008 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope that
is not a smirky reference to something I said. I have always liked Fields... I just said it may make more sense to trade him and sign Crede long term because Fields would net us more in return.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 28, 2008 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no we can't
you seem unfamiliar with the law of conservation of masset, i.e. that "nothing" is greater than "masset."
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by larry on Mar 28, 2008 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And if you were to approach the greatness of Masset
your mass increases.
Oh wait, that's relativity.
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by The Cheat on Mar 28, 2008 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only a relativity of Masset would say he doesn't suck
So instead of a big splash, there were ripples -- enough to change the tide, Williams believes
by Brush Back on Mar 28, 2008 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
every team
has multiple guys in the minors that could effectively suck as a 5th starter at the big league level, which is all Masset has shown he can do. so even if he's marginally better than other guys who suck worse, he's still losing you 9 out of every 10 games he pitches.
by Ryno on Mar 28, 2008 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here go some more
Marlins, Nationals, Astros, and the New York Yankees have about 2 openings (Mussina and Pettitte)
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 28, 2008 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
see ryno above
each and every team in baseball already has at least four nick massets in their organization. that's another aspect of the law of conservation of masset: no matter how much masset you use up, there is always masset in your system.
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by larry on Mar 28, 2008 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I laughed out loud at that one.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Mar 28, 2008 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was awesome
no matter how much masset you use up, there is always masset in your system.
by Brush Back on Mar 28, 2008 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Masset
Has more potential than a lot of these guys Larry. Plus how can you really judge a career starter who was thrown into a reeling bullpen last year. You then complain that his curveball is flat pitching in AZ. I am in no way defending how bad he sucked last year. Ok maybe I am to a point.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 28, 2008 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No you're learning the "SSS law of survival"
No matter how strong you are - larry is always stronger
no matter how much masset you use up, there is always masset in your system.
by Brush Back on Mar 28, 2008 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ah, potential
that ethereal argument. when you've reached your age 26 season, it's well past time to start translating the nebulous "potential" into "results."
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by larry on Mar 28, 2008 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm still waiting...
for Scott Ruffcorn to realise his full potential.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Mar 28, 2008 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone been impressed with Linebrink besides me?
His fastball on GN last week was 96 and 97 on consecutive pitches, and it has been consistently 92-93 anytime I've seen him. He looks pretty good.
by dantesox on Mar 28, 2008 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For what they pay him...
he'd better at least be "pretty good".
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Mar 28, 2008 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I'm not holding my breath either, just making an observation.
I'm not forcasting great things, necessarily.
by dantesox on Mar 28, 2008 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has
no matter how much masset you use up, there is always masset in your system.
by Brush Back on Mar 28, 2008 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My favorite part
He pitched five seasons in the Majors.
no matter how much masset you use up, there is always masset in your system.
by Brush Back on Mar 28, 2008 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Larry
Sometimes I feel like the Sox are on trial for murder and I am the defense attourney.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 28, 2008 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't defend the guilty then
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by larry on Mar 28, 2008 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you already rendered the decision?
judge larry is quick!
by The Wizard on Mar 28, 2008 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cliff Lee.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/l/leecl02.shtml
Out-underacheiving the other guy.
by defensive indifference on Mar 28, 2008 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like who?
You're talking about major league teams, right?
I, too, was taught karate by an old asian man who was the maintenance man in my building.
by MarketMaker on Mar 28, 2008 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zito gave up 4 runs and lost to the Giants AAA team
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2008/03/27/SPCBVQS63.DTL
So that's 5(?) starts this spring, 4 of them poor, the other against the Sox.
AIM: SouthSideCheat
by The Cheat on Mar 28, 2008 3:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
amusing
the giants AAA team is actually a AA, too, considering all their AAA are on the major league roster. so what does that make the sox?
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by larry on Mar 28, 2008 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't take anything from it
spring training doesn't mean anything
:)
by The Scoper on Mar 28, 2008 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice.
Good one, Scoper. :)
Out-underacheiving the other guy.
by defensive indifference on Mar 28, 2008 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That aint a ST thing
Its a 4-5 YEAR thing.
by Tdogg on Mar 28, 2008 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If only the Sox had a hitter in their system
that mashes LHP and could platoon at a position where defense doesn't matter.
by hitlesswonder on Mar 28, 2008 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't knew sam smith was a sox fan!
by The Wizard on Mar 28, 2008 5:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
All I can say is WOW!
After reading that my brain hurts. I have not started drinking yet but, that article warrants a shot of Don Julio minus the training wheels. BTW I thought the DH spot is for established hitters that have lost all their athletic ability to play the field? Have a good weekend everybody I am about to get lost in a drunken bliss. Care to join me WU? Your box of wine is always welcome at my house =)
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 28, 2008 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am not Otis of Mayberry
Truly would love to join you, SoB, and spend an hour or so peeking under that mental hood of yours, but I have a race tomorrow and have limited myself to one glass of wine.
Now, tomorrow night....
I took the "under".
by winningugly on Mar 28, 2008 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am
not SoB I am indeed Greg from Aurora.... and I call into the score a lot.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 28, 2008 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Revealed!
I know my psychos, and you didn't appear to be SoB. Your name is too clever (if not exactly original) and your writing is too clean.
Welcome.
I took the "under".
by winningugly on Mar 29, 2008 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey WU
Your preconceived notion that SoB is not good at basic grammar blinded you to the fact that I am the original Soulja Boy. Although, I did not come up with the name Soulja Boy (it was given to me) I did embrace the foolishness that comes along with being a SoB. Now that I have an actual identity of my own, I can be myself and provide all the Sox fans here with any knowledge or opinions that I might have on a topic. Wu I must admit I am a little giddy that you think my new handle is "clever", but how is it "not exactly original"? BTW Greg from Aurora is a very angry man that calls into the score all the time, adamantly pining for the Cubs to sign Kenny Lofton. You will hear them reference him quite often.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Mar 29, 2008 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Someone coined the phrase after JD misplayed another
double into a triple last year.
Preconcieved? I was just going off what was being written.
OK, you got me.
I took the "under".
by winningugly on Mar 29, 2008 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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