Ozzie on Ramirez: "I think Ramirez has done a tremendous job since we got him. I think he earned a spot in the lineup. I think he's been playing good everywhere we play him.
"I think he should be the center fielder. The way he played center field, he should be."
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Here's a link to our Alexei Ramirez community projections...
http://www.southsidesox.com/2008/2/8/15590/87266
How has your view changed? What do we expect out of him now?
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We gonna let these commie punk bastards puke all over us?
The one game I saw him on TV, he looked pretty lost in CF. Now he throws someone out at the plate and he's the starting CF - and possibly playing leadoff. I hope he makes it, they're putting a lot on his shoulders very quickly.
worrying
Not that I've seen the guy play, but what I've read makes me nervous. Still, he's young, evidently he has an impressive skill set, and he will learn. Maybe it's worth it to let him work out the kinks while Owens heals. It's not as though the Sox have a chance in hell to make the playoffs this year.
And I don't suppose there's a chance Ozzie will experiment with Dye in RF while he's taking Ramirez out for a test drive. But I think Oz needs to have what's become his rigid view of things shaken up from time to time.
He Sure Was
Ozzie is probably among the 5 worst managers in the game. Good thing we gave him that nice long extension. Anderson has been hitting enough to warrant letting him start. I would rather see Anderson batting 8th/9th than Uribe, letting Ramirez play 2B and bat wherever. Now we have a total clusterfuck in the OF and it sounds like Uribe is going to be seeing a lot of time at 2nd.
Who knows maybe Ozzie really feels like this kid is going to be amazing in CF. But i'd rather let him mature in the easier position, 2B. Especially when we have 3 CFers already
by oldComiskey91 on Mar 29, 2008 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree - 5 worst?
Though I sure hope this Swish in CF doesn't turn into Mack '06 part 2.
Help! My groin's fallen and I can't get it up!
swisher is slightly better than mackowiak, you know
something about his ability to get on base and hit the ball far.
the law of conservation of masset: no matter how much masset you use up, there is always masset in your system.
Sorry - I was just referring defensively there
I think the play the last 2 weeks is just wearing me down. I can't afford to go through a 5 step process again this year. I'm trying to gear up for acceptance... just in case.
Help! My groin's fallen and I can't get it up!
Even though he meant defensively...
Even if Swisher was as bad as Mackowiak was in CF in '06, his bat more than makes up for it.
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."
by Shoeless In SC on Mar 29, 2008 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Back to the question
I like it. We didn't want Swish in CF - he is marginal at best - and why the hell not throw Alexei in against the best the Central has to offer? Not playing Mr. Sociologist or anything, but I think playing in Cuba might be a little harder emotionally/personally than living in the States. He has lit it up this spring (far beyond anything I'd hoped for) and is exciting people (even those who are skeptical).
Who better? BA? Please, he is a known commodity, though he has earned a 4th OF spot, IMO. I didn't have much hope for thsi year, anyway, and we spent the last 2/3 of last year pretending to be a major league team when we were clearly auditioning minor leaguers all year long (and failing miserably). The kid may have a positive effect on the team - he loves the game, will make rookie mistakes, but seems to come to play every day.
If we had depth, sure, start him in AAA. We don't, as has been dissected to death on this site, so why the hell not play him? If he bombs out, send him back. Even Willie Mays started his career 1-24 and had some learning to do.
Get excited about SOMETHING.
I took the "under".
i suppose it's not an awful move
but i'd rather see quentin out there than ramirez. he's the real loser if this occurs.
the law of conservation of masset: no matter how much masset you use up, there is always masset in your system.
I agree there - However I'd much rather see him work on his infield skill set
Help! My groin's fallen and I can't get it up!
Agreed.
We do have a clusterfuck in the OF right now, especially CF.
Someone needs to be traded, and that's only just the beginning.
If Uribe were traded and Ramirez played at 2B, we'd still have a logjam in the OF with Swisher, Dye, Quentin, Owens, Anderson.
Bah.
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."
by Shoeless In SC on Mar 29, 2008 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
especially in CF?
maybe a twigjam.
the law of conservation of masset: no matter how much masset you use up, there is always masset in your system.
Owens, Swisher, Ramirez, Anderson, Quentin (?)
I mean we all know who is the best out there with the bat, but with Dye permanently roaming RF for better or worse, that leaves only two spaces for 5 people.
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."
by Shoeless In SC on Mar 29, 2008 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions
why do people keep bringing anderson up?
he's a 4th outfielder. he's not going to get substantial playing time and he doesn't deserve to. ramirez isn't a true CF. there are no legitimate CFs on this team unless you really, really want to stretch with owens and i'd be putting him in the same category as BA. the logjam is in left and it's causing the twigs to spill over to center. this will all work itself out anyway.
the law of conservation of masset: no matter how much masset you use up, there is always masset in your system.
We all know how you feel...
about Anderson and Owens, larry.
;)
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Mar 29, 2008 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
good analogy...
of the logjam and twigs spilling over. I got a nice mental picture.
However I think it's a little too early to give up on BA. I will give him one last chance this year to prove he can start in the majors. I would like to see him given that chance somewhere else, to be honest, in exchange for a middle infield prospect or a decent catching prospect.
Quentin, I believe, is probably going to replace Dye in a couple years. Owens, on the other hand, is garbage. I would be fine if he were outright released.
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."
by Shoeless In SC on Mar 29, 2008 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
you can give him whatever chances you want
the sox aren't. he performed in ST and took advantage of the injuries. and what do the sox do? add another outfielder to the picture by putting ramirez ahead of him. it's obvious what the sox think of him. he'll be a late innings defensive replacement. and that's about it.
the law of conservation of masset: no matter how much masset you use up, there is always masset in your system.
I agree
I don't see a logjam. Neither Owens nor Anderson are who you'd want starting. That leaves Quentin, Swisher and Dye as the corner logjam. But odds are Dye gets hurt and/or isn't starting in RF next season. So Quentin and Swisher need to stay. And Dye can't be traded. So, I don't see a reason move an OF (other than Anderson just to set him free).
The Ramirez/Uribe/Ozuna middle infielder situation is more of a logjam, especially since Richar and the Frenchman are around as well (if gimpy).
by hitlesswonder on Mar 29, 2008 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Good point
No one is head and shoulders above anyone else. We were just discussing hw we've had a faux "competion" because no one is really that sterling. Well, by golly, it's nice to have a couple of guys (Q and AR) who are actually showing signs of life and might "compete" for AB's.
As opposed to putting folks out there who can hurt us less, it's a pleasure to see a couple of kids with some potential who might generate some buzz.
Look at the donut, not the hole, men.
I took the "under".
Well... logjam
We know what we have in Owens - now we can add in the injury
Swisher has a good history to base on (+ plus brings that Chicago Tough attitude - hehe)
Ramirez is completely based on limited appearences in ST
Questin - stong minor league, has he proven himself? If so, why did the D-Backs trade him - high ceiling though
BA - did he turn the corner hitting? best defense in outfield (we have)
Thats a logjam with a lot of questions
Help! My groin's fallen and I can't get it up!
i enjoyed the slip of "questin"
the law of conservation of masset: no matter how much masset you use up, there is always masset in your system.
lol - his new name till we know
Help! My groin's fallen and I can't get it up!
If Ramirez is gonna be on the roster how can you be against this?
The guy has lit it up in ST. He's exciting. He has the potential to actually be our first leadoff in hitter in forever who is actually good.
I'm of the opinion that a speedy "leadoff" guy who can actually play is extraordinarily valuable for us. Ozzie is one of the 10 best managers in the game. He's an exceptional handler of the pitching staff. However, his obsession with speed is his greatest weakness. If you have the opportunity to adress this weakness with someone who can actually play then you have to be ecstatic about that.
Maybe Ramirez isn't ready, maybe he'll flop, maybe he can't hit the breaking ball. He could also be an .800 OPS leadoff man. I don't know. But I knew that Jerry Owens and Scott Podsednik were bad players. This is the first time I've been excited about a speedy "leadoff" hitter in a long time. So here's hoping Jerry Owens has seen his last day as the speedy "leadoff" man of the Chicago White Sox.
ramirez isn't speedy
the law of conservation of masset: no matter how much masset you use up, there is always masset in your system.
well, define that, i guess
i don't see a basestealer, if that's what you're meaning. i don't see a guy who can leg out bunts regularly. that seems to be how ozzie defines speedy.
maybe on this team he's speedy but he looks only like a decently above average runner to me. i have no problem with him batting leadoff but i certainly do not put him in the same mold as owens or pods.
the law of conservation of masset: no matter how much masset you use up, there is always masset in your system.
Yes, I don't either.
And that's the point. If speedy means weak, slap hitting, bunting player then no I don't think he's speedy. But my few exposures to him indicate that he is "fast". But the only thing that really matters for me is this: Is he fast enough to be Ozzie's "leadoff" hitter? Based on statements that Ozzie has made and his penchant for batting him leadoff in ST the answer appears to be yes. If that's the case then he could obviate the need for JO, whether he's playing 2B or CF. That's the key IMHO.
i've already said i think he'll be leading off by july and almost certainly will be next year
and i don't think it's speed, per se, that ozzie likes in his leadoff hitters.
the law of conservation of masset: no matter how much masset you use up, there is always masset in your system.
hmm.... don't agree with that
What is it you think he saw/sees in Pods/JO that makes him play them if it isn't speed?
contact and the ethereal "energy"
speed can be a proxy for the latter but i don't think it's synonymous.
the law of conservation of masset: no matter how much masset you use up, there is always masset in your system.
Starting staff - yes, after that???
Help! My groin's fallen and I can't get it up!
i'd say he handles the bullpen well, too
what metrics we have on that seems to back that up. he obviously also handles the clubhouse well and is arguably the best manager in the game at deflecting attention from his players to himself. in game tactics leave something to be desired. top ten may be a stretch but he's in that middle somewhere.
the law of conservation of masset: no matter how much masset you use up, there is always masset in your system.
I'll agree with the middle
Help! My groin's fallen and I can't get it up!
Id say 10-15
If he could correct some of the hitting stuff he'd cross the top ten line. But I guess if I was a girl Id be my niece's aunt.
Ozzie
for being a former 3rd base coach... is one of the best, if not the best, manager when it comes to handling a bullpen and his starting rotation.
The lack of injuries to both is a testament to his ability to handle both.
His lineups... meh. His in-game management aside from the pitching... meh.
His clubhouse demeanor is good though. I think so at least. Mary-otti will disagree for sure.
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."
by Shoeless In SC on Mar 29, 2008 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not against Ramirez starting
But the position he plays has certain ramifications. If it's in CF as this quote suggests, Uribe will be getting more ABs than Quentin. Which is not ideal because Quentin has more offensive potential than any of our young guys (Fields, Ramirez, Anderson, ...Owens...)
I think they'd like to
play Ramirez and hope he has a real good first 2 months. Same for Anderson. And if Dye shows some power and hits decently, then i would'nt be surprised if they try to trade Dye and/or Konerko. Personally i don't think this team is far from a total rebuilding.
That doesn't preclude them from being traded,
does it? I was under the impression that the NTC and the 10/5 rights just gave the player the ability to veto any trade. If they were willing to be moved, and okay'd the trade, then they could be moved, right? I know everyone wants the security of knowing where you'll live and play, but I don't think PK and Dye seem like the type of guys to reject a trade. If the Sox sucked and they were being offered a move to a competitor, I would be shocked if either were to veto a trade.
I, too, was taught karate by an old asian man who was the maintenance man in my building.
I'm not really
up on all the contract stuff. and pardon my grammer.But to me it seems the front office has painted themselves into a corner. What amazes me about this team, is its weak defensively up the middle. With Aj, stolen bases are expected. With Owens 2 bases are easily given up to the runners. Yet alot of our players can't advance more than one base against any throwing arm. And they very rarely get an extra base hit(double or triple). Fields has no quickness or anticipation to be a third basemen. And that's something your born with, like Brooks Robinson. And Crede tho excellent in the past defensively, is a question mark. AJ, Konerko, Thome, Uribe, Contrertas and Dye are on the down side of their career's. In the recent past it seems that Williams has been trying to justify his spending to Reinsdorf, by keeping solo HR hitters on the payroll so they don't loose the fan base. To me this teams a mess!
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