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Spring Training, Live on TV

Those of you in Chicago can catch a replay of the Sox-Royals game at 7PM (and 3AM) on CSN. Or you can just read these quick impressions.

John Danks

Danks looked spectacular in the first inning Monday. He threw mostly fastballs, mixing in about 5 cutters and a single changeup. The changeup missed badly, but all of the fastballs and cutters were on or just off the corners. He froze Esteban German with an inside fastball after he had seen a variety of fastballs and cutters on the inside and outside of the plate. Then he struck out Mark Teahan on a backdoor cutter.

I couldn't really see any lateral movement on the cutter, but the difference between it and the fastball was quite evident both on the radar gun and the late movement. In the first inning, the cutter was reading 89-90 MPH and dropping at the plate while the fastball was reading 93-94 MPH and riding at the plate. Comcast's gun seemed fast in the first, and more accurate late as Danks fastball read 90-92 in the 2nd and 3rd.

John Danks warms up in the bullpenYoga with John Danks. Classes: M, T, R, F @ 9 AM.

Danks was less impressive in the 2nd and 3rd innings, as he went more to his changeup and his control waned. He did however, use the cutter to get himself out of trouble, inducing what could have been a DP in his first opportunity with men on.

Later in the game Danks was in the booth talking with DJ. Normally, I don't put much stock in these type of interviews, but Danks revealed two things that match what I've been saying all off-season. Number one, he said he wasn't tired at the end of the season, but he thought the book was out on him, that teams had adjusted to him. They knew he threw "about 90% fastballs" on first pitch, and they would look for a changeup with 2 strikes. The self-aware Danks then said that he would be more inclined to use the cutter in those situations this year, as he did in the 2nd and third innings.

Alexei Ramirez

Ramirez' Chicago television debut was a mixed bag. He appears to be extremely aggressive on first pitch, but tries to adjust later in the count. He broke his bat in each of the first two at-bats, the first after laying off a few pitches low and away. He reached out for one well outside and broke his bat when he caught it off the end. In his third at-bat against a struggling Jorge De La Rosa, Ramirez swung from the heels on first pitch, then worked the count back in his favor before smoking a fastball for a bases clearing triple into the right center field gap.

In the field, it was a bit of a tough day for Ramirez. Billy Butler hit about a 10-hopper through the hole on a Jon Danks changeup. It looked like one of those balls that a very good SS can get, and Ramirez might have been able to stop it with a dive, but wasn't quick enough to get to it and plant to make a throw. When he did have a ball that he could field, his throw was low in the dirt, and I would rate the arm as below average, but passable for a shortstop. His arm strength is probably good enough to play anywhere on the field, but would be below average at SS and RF, and average in CF.

Ramirez dropped a routine pop-up behind 3rd base that had nothing to do with the sun or Arizona's "high sky." He also bobbled the exchange on a would-be double play, but it appeared to be a poor toss from Richar which caused him to try a complicated pirouette to try and make the play. It would have been a very slick play had he made it. I don't think either play really says anything about his defense, but are worth noting.

The Rest

  • Carlos Quentin, who has the reputation of being unable to lay off sliders from righties, swung through at least 5 changeups from lefties. He also smoked a De La Rosa fastball up the middle and turned it into a hustle double despite Joey Gathright's speed cutting the ball off in the alley.
  • Jenks and Logan were fine despite the 4 runs allowed. They allowed about 1 hard hit ball between the two of them.
  • MacDougal threw strikes, but got hit hard.
  • Mark Gonzales notes that the Sox had scouts watching Noah Lowry walk 9 batters in just over an inning of work before getting pulled. That gives him 12 walks in under 3 innings pitched this spring, and hopefully eliminates him from the Crede trade rumors.

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first DJ double entendre of the year
on ramirez: "he doesn't have a lot of weight in his pants."

by larry on Mar 3, 2008 7:07 PM CST reply actions  

hah.
nice observation.
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Mar 3, 2008 7:09 PM CST up reply actions  

he also mentioned
that linebrink and dotel alone could mean 20 more wins over last year. then hawk went on about how bullpen usage is the biggest change in baseball in the last 20 years. i'm already tired of these guys.

by larry on Mar 3, 2008 7:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Hawk just spots off about how...
whatever move Kenny made in the offseason was great.  Last spring, it was how Kenny had acquired a bunch of young fireballers with good stuff.  This spring, it's all about how Kenny acquired veteran relievers who know how to get the job done and are worth the money.

Hawk is such an annoying homer.

by SSH2005 on Mar 3, 2008 7:14 PM CST up reply actions  

hawk and dj ambassadors???
met a die hard tigers fan yesterday who said, i didn't grow up disliking the white sox, and i still really don't dislike them, but those are the worst announcers ever and hearing them enough finally made me dislike the white sox.
"They say that blood is thicker than water. What we have is thicker than blood."

by Toonderstrook on Mar 3, 2008 8:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Sorry I missed he stellar commentary
Jeez, they sound like they are in mid-season cliche/ignorance already.
I wrote this song after I killed a drifter to get an erection.

by winningugly on Mar 3, 2008 8:19 PM CST up reply actions  

I really miss Rooney...
He actually made Farmer tolerable. Yeah. Believe it.

It's sad that I find Singleton the least objectionable of all the Sox announcers. Do the Sox have a Spanish broadcast? I don't speak Spanish, but I'd be willing to give it a shot.

by hitlesswonder on Mar 3, 2008 9:30 PM CST up reply actions  

But he's right
If he is throwing strikes now and still getting hammered, what now?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 4, 2008 7:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Mike MacDougal
That is a great line from a recently departed actor, thanks

by Florida Jim on Mar 4, 2008 10:31 AM CST up reply actions  

that's disrespectful to the chimp
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Mar 4, 2008 10:56 AM CST up reply actions  

so both swisher and erstad
are "baseball players." something either wrong with the definition or the examples.

by larry on Mar 3, 2008 7:27 PM CST reply actions  

Larry, now that I'm seeing the game
it looks like Danks has simplified his motion.  Cut down on the leg left and he really used to lean back before coming forward.  Stays over the top of his center of gravity I think.  Still can't see the movement though.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Mar 3, 2008 7:37 PM CST up reply actions  

hadn't noticed
i've been focused on release point and looking for movement. surprise! it has shitty camera angles.

by larry on Mar 3, 2008 7:42 PM CST up reply actions  

i've said this how many times now
but why can't they switch to the arm side of lefties when they're in?
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Mar 3, 2008 7:46 PM CST up reply actions  

not sure i agree about the leg lift
looks the same to me, though this is from memory so maybe you've picked up on a subtle change. i can't tell about the balance from this angle.

by larry on Mar 3, 2008 7:47 PM CST up reply actions  

either way, the result is a lot
less "herky jerky" i think.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Mar 3, 2008 7:58 PM CST up reply actions  

you listening to the Danks' interview?
he said something to the effect of leaning back on his plant foot and Coop correcting it?  corresponds pretty nicely, so it's good to know i'm not imagining shit.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Mar 3, 2008 8:55 PM CST up reply actions  

I really wish Danks could
show the slider consistently when everything else is on.  It seems like either the change or the slider is off depending on the game.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Mar 3, 2008 7:35 PM CST reply actions  

oh, i like this cole armstrong
partially to spite wiz (j/k). forgot donny. i'm registering www.colearmstrongfanclub.com right now.

by larry on Mar 3, 2008 7:35 PM CST reply actions  

YOU WERE WITH THE INDIANS HAWK
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Mar 3, 2008 7:39 PM CST reply actions  

huh? I'm lost
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Mar 4, 2008 10:58 AM CST up reply actions  

Hawk was running through another of
his oft-told adventures as a ballplayer, so I responded with an apropos internet meme that is (not coincidentally) also worn through.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Mar 4, 2008 1:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah...
but I thought it was an owl.
I'll hang up and listen to your answer.

by Hazymania on Mar 4, 2008 2:22 PM CST up reply actions  

it's just the standard
ORLY-YARLY-NO WAI trio, the animal had no bearing on the choice
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Mar 4, 2008 2:24 PM CST up reply actions  

I am a fossil
since I have no earthly idea what you are referring to.

Make love, not war!  Tune in, turn on, drop out!  Power to the people, right on!

(I feel better.)

I wrote this song after I killed a drifter to get an erection.

by winningugly on Mar 4, 2008 3:00 PM CST up reply actions  

wikipedia "ORLY"
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Mar 5, 2008 10:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Thanks, colin
Old dogs can learn new tricks.

ORLY?  ;)

I wrote this song after I killed a drifter to get an erection.

by winningugly on Mar 5, 2008 12:55 PM CST up reply actions  

the cutter looks like an abbreviated
slider to me.  it really stays down.  and Danks is moving it in and out.  still would like to see the consistent slider though.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Mar 3, 2008 7:46 PM CST reply actions  

cole didn't set his feet properly on that throw
down to second
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Mar 3, 2008 7:50 PM CST reply actions  

and i think he's feet were stuck on that throw
down to third too.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Mar 3, 2008 7:51 PM CST up reply actions  

lol
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Mar 4, 2008 10:59 AM CST up reply actions  

JD? WTF?
you're old. please don't do that.

by larry on Mar 3, 2008 7:59 PM CST reply actions  

as soon as i saw him take off
i was thinking "toby hall playing first base"
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Mar 3, 2008 8:03 PM CST up reply actions  

i laughed out loud when i saw JD take off
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Mar 4, 2008 10:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Off-topic:
Is this for real?

Early Saturday, Cook County Board President Todd Stroger struck a deal with board members, who approved a 1 percent increase in the sales tax - driving Chicago's overall sales tax to double digits at 10.25 percent, easily among the highest of any big city.

Holy Keehrist!  Worse than NY?  I feel horrible for you folks.

I wrote this song after I killed a drifter to get an erection.

by winningugly on Mar 3, 2008 8:33 PM CST reply actions  

damn
i dn how they justify that.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Mar 3, 2008 8:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Nice!
Finally a tax increase that doesn't just hurt us vice-lovers!!
Out-underacheiving the other guy.

by defensive indifference on Mar 3, 2008 9:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep
Booze is almost 15% and what are smokes, $9 a pack now?

Daley also has a bottled water tax.

Why did we claim our independence again?

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 4, 2008 8:01 AM CST up reply actions  

no taxation without representation!
oh..... wait...
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Mar 4, 2008 11:00 AM CST up reply actions  

Oh, I was going to say
BA's swing does not look right.  Supposedly he was trying to go the other way, but it looked to me like he had the same swing in his earlier at bat.  Besides I'm sure DJ and Hawk weren't actually right, seeing as they never are.  He's just not going to do much of anything with that swing I think.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Mar 3, 2008 8:36 PM CST reply actions  

Quentin's Reputation.......
is really unfounded.  He couldn't lay off the sliders because he couldn't check his swing (shoulder injury).  However, he was saddled with this "reputation" regardless.  It's a matter of seeing regular pitching consistently.  Hopefully, he'll see more opportunities, since that's what spring training is for.

by Porcho on Mar 3, 2008 9:03 PM CST reply actions  

Ugh MacDougal sucks.
He better be in AAA.  What happened to his movement and gas?  He's gotta be hurt or done or something.

Also: Quentin has an odd looking swing.  I didn't like it and the the bafflement caused by a pretty meh changeup was not inspiring.  But it's one game, so we'll see.

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Mar 3, 2008 9:09 PM CST reply actions  

Reds sign Corey Patterson and Jerry Hairston...
to minor league deals.

Pretty sad that Korey couldn't get a guaranteed deal.  But at that price, he is definitely worth it just as a defensive replacement alone.  But he will probably start in CF for the Reds with Jay Bruce headed back to AAA.  I think Kenny Lofton is the only free agent CF'er left now.

by SSH2005 on Mar 3, 2008 11:25 PM CST reply actions  

i know bruce is only 21,
but after looking at how he has hit at all levels it would be nuts to not head north with him.

in 576 plate appearances spanning high a, double a, and triple a as a 20-year old, he OPSed .962 with 46 doubles, 8 triples, and 26 home runs, including 11 in 187 at bats at AAA. he does strike out a bunch, but other than that, there should be no reason corey patterson should be playing ahead of him.

"They say that blood is thicker than water. What we have is thicker than blood."

by Toonderstrook on Mar 3, 2008 11:47 PM CST up reply actions  

according to will carroll's pownce dealie
Bruce has a nagging hammy, not to mention Dusty Baker as his manager.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Mar 4, 2008 12:09 AM CST up reply actions  

one is a good reason, and the other, well,
we know all about dusty.
"They say that blood is thicker than water. What we have is thicker than blood."

by Toonderstrook on Mar 4, 2008 12:12 AM CST up reply actions  

Just wait...
Dusty will have Korey leading off in no time.  The guy never learns.  He thinks OBP is overrated and likes a prototypical speedy leadoff hitter at the top of his lineup.  Hmmm, sounds a lot like our manager.  ; (

by SSH2005 on Mar 4, 2008 12:14 AM CST up reply actions  

Hey, lay off of my Reds dude
Dusty will have them playing heads-up, scrappy ball this year, you'll see.  Corey is fast, and they need someone to play leadoff.
"We're actually doing some different things at the top of the lineup, but our key is Jerry Owens being our center fielder and our leadoff guy" - JD

by ChicagoPete on Mar 4, 2008 7:22 AM CST up reply actions  

What position is leadoff?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 4, 2008 8:03 AM CST up reply actions  

Only the most important one in the game!
"We're actually doing some different things at the top of the lineup, but our key is Jerry Owens being our center fielder and our leadoff guy" - JD

by ChicagoPete on Mar 4, 2008 8:29 AM CST up reply actions  

Leadoff isn't a position
it is a spot in the batting order.  

I think starting pitcher is a little more important than leadoff hitter.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 4, 2008 9:46 AM CST up reply actions  

you're late to the party.
pete isn't serious.
"They say that blood is thicker than water. What we have is thicker than blood."

by Toonderstrook on Mar 4, 2008 9:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Sarcasm on a cold
windy, Tue morning when my coffee pot broke is not cool, Pete.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 4, 2008 9:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Really, c'mon Bobby wake up
Do I have to use emoticons now? :-)
"We're actually doing some different things at the top of the lineup, but our key is Jerry Owens being our center fielder and our leadoff guy" - JD

by ChicagoPete on Mar 4, 2008 10:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Wow
That is a big smiley face.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 4, 2008 11:14 AM CST up reply actions  

LOL
I had the same problem a few days back.
Out-underacheiving the other guy.

by defensive indifference on Mar 4, 2008 12:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Emoticons
The arch-nemesis of the Autobots.
I'll hang up and listen to your answer.

by Hazymania on Mar 4, 2008 1:07 PM CST up reply actions  

err
nemeses
I'll hang up and listen to your answer.

by Hazymania on Mar 4, 2008 1:09 PM CST up reply actions  

those are some seriously dilated pupils
Pete, what are you getting at?
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Mar 4, 2008 1:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Smiley's enabled
Smiley's get paid the big bucks to look happy, and the fans demand continuous unabashed cheerfulness.  Can you blame them for resorting to PED's?  
"We're actually doing some different things at the top of the lineup, but our key is Jerry Owens being our center fielder and our leadoff guy" - JD

by ChicagoPete on Mar 4, 2008 1:56 PM CST up reply actions  

I like the idea of each job
having its respective PEDs.  And that's totally true, too.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Mar 4, 2008 2:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Get in at 3am, out at 4
That's why there ain't a repo man I know that don't use speed.
"We're actually doing some different things at the top of the lineup, but our key is Jerry Owens being our center fielder and our leadoff guy" - JD

by ChicagoPete on Mar 4, 2008 2:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Scott Merkin = Darrin Jackson
Scott Merkin wrote:
If the White Sox opt for Danny Richar or Alexei Ramirez at second, then there's a chance Uribe could be placed more forcefully on the trading block. Remember, even with the free-swinging ways Uribe employs at the plate, he still can carry his team for stretches and remains a very slick fielder at any position. He's definitely ahead of Ramirez defensively at second.

I wonder when we will hear the end of this bullshit.

by SSH2005 on Mar 4, 2008 1:13 AM CST reply actions  

Speaking of guts...
...any of you see Carlos Lee this spring?  He hit a HR yesterday and they showed him running the bases on SC.  He looked like Cecil Fielder - seriously.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 4, 2008 8:03 AM CST up reply actions  

Anyone listening to Mike North
this morning?  i was told by a friend who went into work and didnt catch what he had to say, but said something about "big sox news"?  anyone have any idea?
12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Mar 4, 2008 8:37 AM CST reply actions  

Its Great news
Singleton quit because Baseball Tonight hired him.  Steve Stone is stepping in for the year.   YES!!!

by southsideirish71 on Mar 4, 2008 8:43 AM CST up reply actions  

really?
12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Mar 4, 2008 8:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Audio is posted on the site
Nice that he's fitting in quickly with the Owen's mantra
So instead of a big splash, there were ripples -- enough to change the tide, Williams believes

by Brush Back on Mar 4, 2008 9:23 AM CST up reply actions  

Forgot to say
Very happy with the chg - season is shaping up already
So instead of a big splash, there were ripples -- enough to change the tide, Williams believes

by Brush Back on Mar 4, 2008 9:41 AM CST up reply actions  

i really thought he'd come back
i'm a little stunned
Lord, beer me strength.

by Nordhagen on Mar 4, 2008 9:05 AM CST up reply actions  

as a big Packer fan
I can say that I'm actually happy with this.  Favre had a nice final season (and I was able to be there live for his last win against Seattle), and I think Rodgers is ready.

by shaftr on Mar 4, 2008 9:28 AM CST up reply actions  

i'm not sure about Rodgers
He played well in the Cowboys game though.

I just hope he's ready to replace the legend.  He's going to need to be more than a good QB.

Lord, beer me strength.

by Nordhagen on Mar 4, 2008 9:31 AM CST up reply actions  

replacing the legend is no easy task
we've already seen a few try and fail on the south side..... hahahahaha
12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Mar 4, 2008 9:41 AM CST up reply actions  

the broadcasts will be way better
very exciting news
Lord, beer me strength.

by Nordhagen on Mar 4, 2008 9:29 AM CST up reply actions  

Thank you jesus.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 4, 2008 9:44 AM CST up reply actions  

Now if only Farmer would head out.
"All this has done is put the Tigers in a better position to contend with us."

by ballyb on Mar 4, 2008 8:47 AM CST reply actions  

Gotta believe
this doesn't bode well for Darrin Jackson.
"All this has done is put the Tigers in a better position to contend with us."

by ballyb on Mar 4, 2008 8:48 AM CST up reply actions  

3 Way Deal
Just a shot in the dark here, but what about a 3 way deal involved Crede?

Giants send prospects to the A's.
We trade Crede to Giants.
A's trade Rich Harden to us.

I can't remember the last time a three way deal actually happened (they are more frequent in the NBA), but I want to get everyone's thoughts.  

by BoKnows on Mar 4, 2008 9:12 AM CST reply actions  

haha
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Mar 4, 2008 10:13 AM CST up reply actions  

Replace Harden w/ Gio.
"All this has done is put the Tigers in a better position to contend with us."

by ballyb on Mar 4, 2008 10:18 AM CST up reply actions  

Or DLS.
"All this has done is put the Tigers in a better position to contend with us."

by ballyb on Mar 4, 2008 10:18 AM CST up reply actions  

Or both.
Crede is pretty good.
"All this has done is put the Tigers in a better position to contend with us."

by ballyb on Mar 4, 2008 10:19 AM CST up reply actions  

but that contract...
only one year. i think we'd have to settle for gio and aaron cunningham. maybe they'd throw in marshall.

by larry on Mar 4, 2008 10:40 AM CST up reply actions  

Larry,
I meant to say Crede is pretty REALLY good.
"All this has done is put the Tigers in a better position to contend with us."

by ballyb on Mar 4, 2008 10:48 AM CST up reply actions  

but we've heard
how the giants and their fans are pretty REALLY smart. so i think they'll be hard bargainers.

by larry on Mar 4, 2008 10:51 AM CST up reply actions  

you made other people not like you
:(
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Mar 4, 2008 11:09 AM CST up reply actions  

i think
i laughed in a meeting where i was bored and was checking the site on the blackberry. i could dissect but is it really worth it?

by larry on Mar 4, 2008 10:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Larry...
"by 'meeting' do you mean breakfast with your mom?  and by 'blackberry' do you mean your 2001 dell?"

by BoKnows on Mar 4, 2008 10:38 AM CST up reply actions  

HA!
I pictured that.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 4, 2008 10:47 AM CST up reply actions  

watch tv, listen to radio
possible? anyone with knowledge as to whether the radio and tv broadcasts are on the same delay making it possible to listen to the radio and mute the tv?

by larry on Mar 4, 2008 10:29 AM CST reply actions  

Yes
They are basically on the same delay - I did this in 2005, postseason and it was about the same.

BUT, High Def signals are usually a little bit more of a delay than the radio.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 4, 2008 10:32 AM CST up reply actions  

that sounds encouraging
but anyone with more recent experience? the believe the delays have changed since 05.

by larry on Mar 4, 2008 10:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Split second delay.
A little frustrating.
"All this has done is put the Tigers in a better position to contend with us."

by ballyb on Mar 4, 2008 10:50 AM CST up reply actions  

i figured
that's what i remembered. of course, hawk and dj are a lot frustrating.

by larry on Mar 4, 2008 10:52 AM CST up reply actions  

Listening to the radio now
is worth any delay.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 4, 2008 11:12 AM CST up reply actions  

well
i like to see what's happening. i can get a heck of lot more info - even with stone in the booth - from watching the game than listening. hence why i'd prefer to do both. of course, i imagine now i will not be quite so opposed to doing things or going places that would prevent me from watching, but not listening, to the game.

by larry on Mar 4, 2008 11:15 AM CST up reply actions  

Speaking from experience...
I watch most games from my deck while listening to the radio.  There is no noticable delay, I avoid Hawk, and drink my wine and smoke my cigs.

Try it... you'll like it!

Next time, Bhoov, do some research.

by Chiburb on Mar 4, 2008 11:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Though it seemed to work out
I was hearing the play, then had enough time to look up and see it because of the delay. (At least on redio vs Comcast last year)
So instead of a big splash, there were ripples -- enough to change the tide, Williams believes

by Brush Back on Mar 4, 2008 11:39 AM CST up reply actions  

Pawn shop
An old Philco should work well for you.   Make sure and get the earpiece.
I wrote this song after I killed a drifter to get an erection.

by winningugly on Mar 4, 2008 12:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Watching the games on Comcast
I've found that the delay is a couple seconds.  Last year I used it to my advantage in tricking my two sons in "predicting" what was going to happen on each pitch.  I encourage all you parents to trick your children like this.  Build the distrust early.

by palehose67 on Mar 4, 2008 11:47 AM CST up reply actions  

inconsistent
sometimes radio is 3 secs faster, sometimes 10 slower, it varies

most of the times I think kit is just a hair faster

by The Wizard on Mar 4, 2008 7:29 PM CST up reply actions  

today's lineup
they're really showcasing anderson all over the field. come and get him.

White Sox vs. Angels at TEP

Lineup

Owens, CF; Cabrera, SS; Thome, DH; PK, 1B; Swisher, LF, AJ, C; Crede, 3B; Uribe, 2B; Anderson, RF.  Contreras pitching.

Also throwing ... Broadway, Carrasco, Thornton.

by larry on Mar 4, 2008 10:31 AM CST reply actions  

Or preparing him for that 4th outfield spot
lol - that thought is amusing... I wonder if he could play leadoff hitter too
So instead of a big splash, there were ripples -- enough to change the tide, Williams believes

by Brush Back on Mar 4, 2008 10:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Hey now!
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 4, 2008 10:48 AM CST up reply actions  

by "that"
you mean "someone else's." he's making a case. and he deserves a shot somewhere.

by larry on Mar 4, 2008 10:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Correct
With a lot of sarcasm rolled in... actually I'm pretty psyched on the season... Radio Team greatly improved, team truly seems to be taking ST seriously, some promising new players, and my seat change this year finally gets me about were I want to be... all positives.
So instead of a big splash, there were ripples -- enough to change the tide, Williams believes

by Brush Back on Mar 4, 2008 11:09 AM CST up reply actions  

At least someone's psyched
That Mike North interview with Stone was pretty interesting.  North implied that the move was done for business reasons - The Score's sales people can't sell any ads for the Sox games, and seems the sales people felt that bringing Stone in would make it easier to sell time.  I'm sure they did some focus groups or something before they pulled this off in the middle of ST.  

I'm glad Singleton landed on his feet at Baseball Tonight.  Seems like a nice intelligent guy, just not a very good radio announcer.

"We're actually doing some different things at the top of the lineup, but our key is Jerry Owens being our center fielder and our leadoff guy" - JD

by ChicagoPete on Mar 4, 2008 11:30 AM CST up reply actions  

Are they implying
they let Singleton go?  I would think Singleton left for a move up to Baseball Tonight, and moving Stone to the radio broadcast was a no brainer for the Score.  
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 4, 2008 11:35 AM CST up reply actions  

North was implying that
I didn't catch Stone making any comment about that
So instead of a big splash, there were ripples -- enough to change the tide, Williams believes

by Brush Back on Mar 4, 2008 11:37 AM CST up reply actions  

they obviously
had to permit singleton to get out of his contract. but, yeah, espn tv is equally obviously a move up from local radio. this is good for all parties. except people who watch baseball tonight. but who cares about them.

by larry on Mar 4, 2008 11:38 AM CST up reply actions  

HA!
Maybe Harold Reynolds will take over Stoney's old gig on the Score.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 4, 2008 11:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Speaking of which...
...I kind of miss Jimmy Piersall's analysis, that old fire plug.  He was always pissed about Corey Patterson and that cracked me up.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 4, 2008 11:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Piersall was awful
Just a disgruntled old man who offered no insight.

by Big Daddy Kool on Mar 4, 2008 12:11 PM CST up reply actions  

I always liked the crazed edge
Piersall brought when he was paired with Caray.

But I liked Anthony Perkins as Piersall even better.

I wrote this song after I killed a drifter to get an erection.

by winningugly on Mar 4, 2008 12:14 PM CST up reply actions  

ESPN
I find it interesting how they choose their "talent."  I thought they already had their marginal/fringy former player in Orestes Destrade...

And hopefully Chris learns from Sean Salisbury's mistakes.  Although Salisbury mentioned in his departure statement how he built "a brand."  If Singleton just doesn't act like an HOFer, he'll be able to build a better brand than that...

Lord, beer me strength.

by Nordhagen on Mar 4, 2008 12:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Gotta
REALLY work hard on his BUNTING.
"All this has done is put the Tigers in a better position to contend with us."

by ballyb on Mar 4, 2008 10:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Tickets
Anyone know when they are mailing season tickets?  I thought last year I got them by March 1st?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 4, 2008 11:14 AM CST reply actions  

I bought some tickets on EBAY
and today I got an email from the seller stating

"For the past 5 years I have received the
tickets during the second week of March and expect the same this year."

"All this has done is put the Tigers in a better position to contend with us."

by ballyb on Mar 4, 2008 11:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Suppose to beMarch 7th
That was the last I heard a couple of weeks ago
So instead of a big splash, there were ripples -- enough to change the tide, Williams believes

by Brush Back on Mar 4, 2008 11:36 AM CST up reply actions  

Thanks!
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 4, 2008 11:43 AM CST up reply actions  

First Broadcast
"The first broadcast for the new White Sox radio team of Ed Farmer and Steve
Stone will be a spring training game vs. Arizona on March 7."  
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 4, 2008 11:50 AM CST reply actions  

BP's resident dermatologist/draft expert
and his draft rules. keep handy for constructively, not blindly, criticizing sox draft picks. i believe the article is free for all. but some nuggets:
Draft Rule #2: College players are roughly 50% more likely to reach the major leagues than high-school players of equal draft caliber. This advantage has not changed over time.
...
Draft Rule #7: College hitters enjoy a sizeable advantage over every other class of draft pick, in both eras, and in every round.
...
Draft Rule #8: There is virtually no difference whatsoever in the value of the other three groups of draft picks. In particular, it is no longer apparent that high school pitchers, even in the first round, are significantly riskier than either high school hitters or college pitchers.

for reasons that should be obvious, these rules are based upon the draft through 1999. i'm very interested in what draft "trends" rany has found, though, for the ensuing drafts, which he'll be discussing next article.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=5152

by larry on Mar 4, 2008 11:59 AM CST reply actions  

That college 1B finding makes a lot of sense
their tools have already been established because of position, so they are (generally) either elite hitters, or they are not.

Also, when was the last time the Sox drafted an HS bat in the early rounds?  All the guys I'm thinking of off-hand were college guys.  Chris Young, right?

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Mar 4, 2008 1:28 PM CST up reply actions  

So now
we have Danks... we have a Swisher.... LETS GET STONED!

by Not Fooling Anyone on Mar 4, 2008 1:18 PM CST reply actions  

Thread is lookin' worn, wiz.
How 'bout it?
I wrote this song after I killed a drifter to get an erection.

by winningugly on Mar 4, 2008 1:23 PM CST reply actions  

you realize
that wiz wakes up around now and posts the new thread around 1 or 2pm, right? no need to ask. it will appear. he's a wizard.

by larry on Mar 4, 2008 1:32 PM CST up reply actions  

You know, I was thinking,
maybe Singleton could take Jerry Owens with him to ESPN as his color man.
"All this has done is put the Tigers in a better position to contend with us."

by ballyb on Mar 4, 2008 1:45 PM CST reply actions  

Maybe
You should look at what Curtis Granderson did his first 105 games... Then rethink your life and what you are doing with it.

by Not Fooling Anyone on Mar 4, 2008 1:53 PM CST up reply actions  

FYI.
Granderson in 1600 minor league ABs - .300/.383/.495

Owens in 1600 minor league ABs - .294/.362/.368

Quite a difference.

But thanks for the suggestion about rethink my life.

"All this has done is put the Tigers in a better position to contend with us."

by ballyb on Mar 4, 2008 1:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Did
I say minor league stats? Didn't think so.

by Not Fooling Anyone on Mar 4, 2008 2:02 PM CST up reply actions  

i'm not sure what you're getting at
granderson was pretty darn good in his first 105 games, posting an OPS well above .800. jerry wasn't anywhere near that.

by larry on Mar 4, 2008 2:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Larry
I thought OPS was important for middle of the order guys... although I could be mistaken and usually am.

by Not Fooling Anyone on Mar 4, 2008 3:55 PM CST up reply actions  

OPS is important for any hitter
if you mean that granderson's OBP was low, that's certainly true. but he wasn't batting leadoff much in 2005 and in 2006, when he was, he started off quite hot (.380 OBP or so). so if we're comparing their respective first 105 games, granderson is the clear winner.

if your OBP is low, you better be slugging some. and granderson was. for a CF, .800+ OPS is very good.

if you want to see the value of OBP and SLG by lineup position, this is enlightening.

http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/story/2006/2/12/133645/296

by larry on Mar 4, 2008 4:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Plus
Look at all of his strike outs... if Granderson played for us you would want to get rid of him too!

by Not Fooling Anyone on Mar 4, 2008 2:03 PM CST reply actions  

Ha. Ha. Ha.
"All this has done is put the Tigers in a better position to contend with us."

by ballyb on Mar 4, 2008 2:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Dried plums, please.
Prune gets $10 million makeover -- as dried plum.

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/FOOD/news/09/13/prunes.reut/

Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 4, 2008 2:42 PM CST up reply actions  

we all gotta go sometime.
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Mar 4, 2008 4:57 PM CST up reply actions  

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