Konerko, Crede Rumors

by The Cheat on Mar 6, 2008 1:39 AM CST in Rumors

Shaftr points us towards a note in SI about the impending Joe Crede deal.

The White Sox apparently haven't been enamored by what the Giants have to offer for third baseman Joe Crede. A Giants person conceded, "We badly need bats,'' but they aren't to the point where they'll give up any of their better pitchers to get them. One possibility could be hard-throwing reliever Jonathan Sanchez, though it appears now that Crede may not be traded until closer to this summer's deadline.

I'll keep saying that the Sox need to shift their focus to one of the Giants young, recently drafted position players. You know, because the Sox system is loaded with multi-talented position prospects.

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Robothal fans the Paul Konerko rumors, which only seem plausible if the Sox main goal was to get out from under a contract that's soon to become immovable (10/5 rights).

If the Mets wanted to do something truly extravagant, they could make a run at White Sox first baseman Paul Konerko, who remains quietly available, according to a major-league source.

Unlikely as a trade of Konerko might be, such a move would be especially appealing to the White Sox if they could acquire a quality starting pitcher in return. Konerko, because of his service time, will gain full no-trade protection early in the season. The White Sox could move center fielder Nick Swisher or left fielder/third baseman Josh Fields to first and keep Joe Crede at third in his final year before becoming a free agent.

Every move the Sox have made since June (Pierzynski, Buehrle, Dye extensions, linebrink signing, trading our top 5 prospects) has involved keeping or adding to their aging core. Why would they stop now? This is just rumor-pr0n for the boys in Crede's Crew.

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Elsewhere, Rick Morissey wonders if the Sox are all talk, no Swagger -- The Grinder Era is dead, long live The Swagger! -- and goes on to call them an 85 win team. 85 wins? That calls for a rally.

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Story re. Quentin's health.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/cs-080305-white-sox-quentin-owens-chicago,1,4224573.story

Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 6, 2008 6:30 AM CST 0 recs

This nugget from the story.

Ozzie on Brian Anderson:

"If he keeps playing the way he has been playing, obviously, HE'S GOING TO EARN A SPOT," Guillen said. "The only thing about Brian, hopefully he takes this game [seriously] the way we thought he can."

Watch BA's playing time drop dramatically, SOON.

Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 6, 2008 6:33 AM CST up 0 recs

What Ozzie means is:

This kid better not drop below his current OPS of 1.100 or he's out of here.
Even if he "earns a spot" will he get more than 17
ABs in April?

Next time, Bhoov, do some research.

by Chiburb on Mar 6, 2008 7:14 AM CST up 0 recs

Wiz's dream come true?

i think its pretty safe to say that Quentin's play/health has put him out of the OF picture for now, but does Ozzie have enough balls to actually play BA?? I wonder if other GM's know about Andersons ST hero status? anyways, i really dont wnat to get excited about anderson because hes let us down before. Would i rather have Anderson or JO playing center though, thats real question. I think i'd rather have a lineup of
ocab
swisher
thome
konerko
dye
fields
pierzynski
anderson
richar/ozuna/ramirez/uribe

than

JO
ocab
thome
konerko
dye
swisher
fields
pierzynski
2B Circus

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Mar 6, 2008 7:31 AM CST up 0 recs

I like your "I'd rather have"

with one exception:
Swisher leading off. Nothing wrong with starting a game with an HR or 2B.

Next time, Bhoov, do some research.

by Chiburb on Mar 6, 2008 7:35 AM CST up 0 recs

i was just going to say

or you can flip flop swish and ocab.... the point of that lineup being swisher in the top part of the order.

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Mar 6, 2008 7:37 AM CST up 0 recs

Quentin

I sincerely hope his play hasn't knocked him out of contention. It's not like he's been useless out there, he's played okay.

by Craig Grebeck on Mar 6, 2008 10:55 AM CST up 0 recs

I think his health may have if anything

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Mar 6, 2008 11:03 AM CST up 0 recs

Ozzie would rather bring back pods!

[Dave van Dyck]:

"The only thing about Brian, hopefully he takes this game [seriously] the way we thought he can."

by The Wizard on Mar 6, 2008 1:22 PM CST up 0 recs

I wonder when

Ozzie is going to take BA seriously.

by HulkSmash on Mar 6, 2008 1:23 PM CST up 0 recs

Obviously

Whenever BA gives up on that cocky walk to the plate he has.

by Ryno on Mar 6, 2008 1:27 PM CST up 0 recs

Id rather him die than give up that walk.

Now thats sawgger.

How do you fuck a nut?!

by omnipotent grab on Mar 6, 2008 1:32 PM CST up 0 recs

Swagger*

How do you fuck a nut?!

by omnipotent grab on Mar 6, 2008 1:32 PM CST up 0 recs

hmmm

maybe they plan to use brian in this year's ad campaign!

by The Wizard on Mar 6, 2008 1:36 PM CST up 0 recs

No risk to you, eh?

How imperial, OG!

(I picture the Roman Colesium, OG with the golden crown and robes, signaling "thumbs down" as BA approaches the plate smartly. Immediately lions emerge from the picnic bench area in The Cell and rip BA to shreds.)

I wrote this song after I killed a drifter to get an erection.

by winningugly on Mar 6, 2008 1:34 PM CST up 0 recs

hey, BA already killed the lion

just ask carl!

by The Wizard on Mar 6, 2008 1:37 PM CST up 0 recs

If BA can thump Owens out

of the CF position, play stellar D and maintain a solid slg %, I don't care if he rides the batboy's back to the batter's box

by HulkSmash on Mar 6, 2008 1:39 PM CST up 0 recs

Wow, problem solved, Hulk!

Pretty tall order. I believe you forgot "and doesn't piss off Ozzie by whining about playing time, getting hurt, or looking horrible once given the starting position and making his manager look like a horse's a$$".

I wrote this song after I killed a drifter to get an erection.

by winningugly on Mar 6, 2008 1:56 PM CST up 0 recs

Tall order to

supplant Owens?

Live in the now, Winning! BA has done everything right; hes had a good attitude, played well, and, currently, is healthy. If Ozzie looks like an ass, it's because he doesn't play the best players on his roster.

by HulkSmash on Mar 6, 2008 2:14 PM CST up 0 recs

Not saying that JO is Willie Mays

or even Willie Mays Hayes. Just that BA is buried and Ozzie holds grudges. Also, don't get carried away with ST-HOF'er BA. Though if everyone else is hurt, Ozzie has no choice but...

I wrote this song after I killed a drifter to get an erection.

by winningugly on Mar 6, 2008 2:49 PM CST up 0 recs

You may run like Mays...

but you hit like shit.

Best line.

by HulkSmash on Mar 6, 2008 3:32 PM CST up 0 recs

speaking of walking

[Joe Cowley]:

One thing Sox hitters will be prepared for is the slow walk Garland takes from the mound to the dugout. Referred to as the ''dig-me strut,'' the slower Garland walks, the better the results were that inning.

by The Wizard on Mar 6, 2008 3:38 PM CST up 0 recs

SI Story

I should have done a better job pointing out where it was from. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/jon_heyman/03/05/bc.heyman.wed.scoop/index.html

MrROFL.com - now with real content!

by shaftr on Mar 6, 2008 6:53 AM CST 0 recs

Direct Link

Daily Scoop by Jon Heyman

MrROFL.com - now with real content!

by shaftr on Mar 6, 2008 6:54 AM CST up 0 recs

LOL. That article, re. Cubs hole.

SECOND BASE.

Haven't they accumulated about 42 2nd basemen in the last year and a half?

Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 6, 2008 8:21 AM CST up 0 recs

hahahah good stuff

Even though Wednesday's game was in a National League city, the teams agreed to use the DH, which did not please Buehrle. "I have to work on my hitting too," he said, adding with a smile, "No one wants to see Jim Thome, do they?"

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Mar 6, 2008 7:53 AM CST 0 recs

Speaking of rumors

I have one that we explored a while back. Mlb traderumors is saying that Reggie Willits is blocked from the majors. He goes on to say that the perfect fit would be the Padres. This is all well and good but I know the Angels covet Crede so why can't we bring someone like Willits back in a trade? If you noticed over Williams tenure he does not make many bad trades. I am sure he knows not to trade for Valdez or Lowry way before we shot it down.

by Not Fooling Anyone on Mar 6, 2008 8:22 AM CST 0 recs

he would make quentin redundant

but i do really like him as a player...too bad he can't play center

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Mar 6, 2008 2:04 PM CST up 0 recs

again

i really dont see how keeping joe crede benefits the team at all.

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Mar 6, 2008 8:29 AM CST 0 recs

Josh Fields

could net us a much bigger return if we can work out a long term deal with Crede. I believe Fields will be a very good hitter in the future so I believe his best position will be at 1st or DH. Now if Fields is on the market we can shop him to teams in need of a lf, 1b, 3b, or dh. That increases the chances of being able to really land an impact player or 2. Now I would only do this if we can lock up Crede until 2010. I would cringe at a 5yr deal but 2 or 3 years would be fine.

by Not Fooling Anyone on Mar 6, 2008 8:37 AM CST up 0 recs

I would cringe...

At any deal(s) that involve keeping Joe Crede past the trade deadline and letting go of Josh Fields.

by BoKnows on Mar 6, 2008 9:35 AM CST up 0 recs

And Scott Boras would accept that because...

...

Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Mar 6, 2008 9:21 AM CST 0 recs

Sorry

That's in response to the idea of Crede getting a 2-3 year deal.

Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Mar 6, 2008 9:21 AM CST up 0 recs

Because

Crede has a creeky back may not get as much interest as he expects. Crede has had 1 year in which he did anything with the bat. I am not sure how much bargaining Boras really has...

by Not Fooling Anyone on Mar 6, 2008 10:13 AM CST up 0 recs

Not Foolin'?

So, why would you want to lock up Crede through 2010?

by BoKnows on Mar 6, 2008 10:17 AM CST up 0 recs

I love Crede,

but you GOT HIM ; )

Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 6, 2008 10:25 AM CST up 0 recs

It's not that

I want one over another... I am thinking from the team's prospective. It may make more sense for them if they can aquire better players for Fields that will help us win now.

by Not Fooling Anyone on Mar 6, 2008 10:36 AM CST up 0 recs

Don't get me wrong...

I'm not Crede bashing, but I think right now Fields > Crede. I'm taking defense into consideration as well.

And there is no reason to move an emerging position player (something the Sox are very short on) to make room for 3B, who is coming off major back surgery.

by BoKnows on Mar 6, 2008 10:56 AM CST up 0 recs

look at the 3B free agents next year

and ask yourself that question again.

by larry on Mar 6, 2008 10:28 AM CST up 0 recs

Pretty sad at 3B

Crede will score big as a FA unless his back gives out badly again this year.

Did you see some of the possible starting pitchers that may be FA's? Nice crop.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 6, 2008 11:57 AM CST up 0 recs

In case anyone is curious

I found the article referencing Crede online (it's at the end):

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/jon_heyman/03/05/bc.heyman.wed.scoop/1.html

by Max on Mar 6, 2008 9:33 AM CST 0 recs

Reviewing yesterday's game...

if Wasserman ends up in AAA, and MacDougal anywhere near the opening day White Sox roster, then KW and Ozzie really haven't learned anything from last season.

by HulkSmash on Mar 6, 2008 10:18 AM CST 0 recs

Off Topic - Cougars

This is completely off topic, but my company is considering a company outing to a Cougars game, and I realized that they were the Oakland A-Ball affiliate now, so I thought I'd ask.

With the majority of our farm system now playing for Oakland, does anyone know if any of the Ex-Sox players will be at Kane County this year?

For 8 bucks or whatever it costs I might take in a few games this year if so.

I looked up their roster online, but I can't tell if it's up to date or not, it looks like their year end roster.

by Grinder in Training on Mar 6, 2008 10:37 AM CST 0 recs

i thought this would be about

a different kind of cougar.

at any rate, kane county is low a. the players that used to be in the sox organization should all be at higher levels this season.

by larry on Mar 6, 2008 10:41 AM CST up 0 recs

It's a good time

I went a couple years ago for a company outing and saw Rick Ankiel when he was first converting to an outfielder. It's a great way to spend a warm summer day or night.

by Ryno on Mar 6, 2008 11:06 AM CST up 0 recs

any know

the batting order today n pitchers after floyd?

by Jbasic89 on Mar 6, 2008 11:19 AM CST 0 recs

the arsonist and bobby are scheduled to throw

that's all that seems to be known.

by larry on Mar 6, 2008 11:27 AM CST up 0 recs

konerko to the mets

wow, the Konerko to the mets idea I posted about a few days ago has some vailidity according to unconfirmable internet rumors.

It definitely depends on the return he would net, but I really think this is our best trade move. Thome/Konerko hitting back to back is redundant and hasn't really panned out.

Someone posted that the Mets don't have any stud prospects. Don't they have one or two of their ace pitching prospects that they didn't trade for Santana left?

by rhombusface on Mar 6, 2008 12:05 PM CST 0 recs

by "redundant"

you mean, "both provide above average offense"?

by larry on Mar 6, 2008 12:07 PM CST up 0 recs

or

I kind of mean painfully slow, strikeout or homerun, on the backside of their career types.

I'm just saying if you can get an A prospect for Konerko and not one for Crede, it makes more sense. Opens up a spot for Quentin too most likely.

How are these things foolish?

by rhombusface on Mar 6, 2008 12:12 PM CST up 0 recs

it's not foolish

it's just problematic that 1) the mets don't have any A prospects and 2) i highly doubt that konerko would bring back an A prospect from any team. go ahead and trade him - just be aware of what you'd be getting back.

by larry on Mar 6, 2008 12:17 PM CST up 0 recs

I S2 Gavin Floyd

I think he and Danks are going to have suprisingly good years. Lets hope Jose keeps it together and we got a chance!

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by Soulja Boy on Mar 6, 2008 12:06 PM CST 0 recs

He's baaaaaaaaack

Just get out of the joint, SoB?

;)

I wrote this song after I killed a drifter to get an erection.

by winningugly on Mar 6, 2008 12:44 PM CST up 0 recs

i love the fact

that hes called "SoB." i laugh every time i read that.

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Mar 6, 2008 12:46 PM CST up 0 recs

Haha

I also go by the alias "not fooling anyone" another name that was changed by the powers that be. I guess "Iarry" is not acceptable lol. The joint was ok... they have really good meat loaf and mashed potatoes!

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by Soulja Boy on Mar 6, 2008 1:46 PM CST up 0 recs

floyd scratched

Swisher CF; Cabrera SS; Thome DH; Konerko, 1B; Dye, RF; Crede, 3B; Anderson, LF; Uribe, 2B; Phillips, C. Floyd was supposed to start but was scratched this morning due to flu-like symptoms. Charlie Haeger and Tomo Ohka will take up his innings.

by larry on Mar 6, 2008 12:28 PM CST 0 recs

THE FLU?

Has he not heard of MJ? He's cleeeeeearly not Chicago tough

-Jeeves Life in the Cell

by jeeves on Mar 6, 2008 1:01 PM CST up 0 recs

Should have used "Airborne"!

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 6, 2008 1:04 PM CST up 0 recs

clever

by larry on Mar 6, 2008 3:13 PM CST up 0 recs

can't we send some of our guys to walt too?

[CP]:

[Frank] Thomas started his work earlier than usual, spending a week with Walt Hriniak (his former hitting coach with the Chicago White Sox) to get his mechanics straight. By the time the 39-year-old got to training camp, he was ready to let loose.

[wikipedia]:

Hriniak coached another seven years, through 1995, before opening his own hitting school and becoming a private batting instructor. Chisox slugger Frank Thomas, now with the Toronto Blue Jays, is one of his most loyal adherents.

by The Wizard on Mar 6, 2008 1:33 PM CST 0 recs