You can't always get what you want

by The Cheat on Mar 6, 2008 11:58 PM CST in White Sox News

But if you try sometimes, you just might find

During this past offseason, the Chicago White Sox were strongly pursuing free agent center fielders Torii Hunter and Aaron Rowand. They started with Hunter, and couldn't sign him. They then tried for Rowand and that didn't work either. They had to "settle" for Nick Swisher by dealing for him from Oakland. However, when you look at the numbers here, nearly every number, and certainly all the key ones, favor Swisher:

2008 Projections

	Age	Avg	OBP	SLG	HR	Walks	OPS
Swisher	27	.265	.384	.524	36	102	.908
Hunter	32	.282	.339	.494	27	45	.833
Rowand	30	.287	.348	.452	17	38	.800

2007 Statistics

Baserunning

CF Fielding Plus/Minus

Swisher

+22

Hunter

-10

Rowand

-1

-4

Sometimes what you want may not be what's best for you. In this case, that's exactly what happened to the White Sox. Swisher may not wind up in center field for the Sox, but he is a very valuable acquisition for them, especially because he can play center field well if needed.

I don't buy that Swisher's true talent is an above average defensive center fielder, but I was impressed by what I saw today. He got a good jump and caught a shallow bloop single, but dropped the ball when turned his wrist awkwardly after laying out to make the catch. It was just one play, but he showed good instincts even if he was unable to complete the play.

Toby Hall still hurting

Get ready for another season in which the Sox are forced to rely heavily on A.J. Pierzynski. Dave Van Dyck reports Toby Hall is hopeful that he will be able to play in the final two weeks of spring training. He hopes. I'm not going to hold my breath.

In the mean time, the Sox are going to continue to give a serious look to two guys who belong nowhere near a major league roster in Donny Lucy and Cole Armstrong. The sad truth is even if Hall gets healthy enough to make the roster, I'm not confident he can outplay the two minor leaguers.

It's a shame that the one universally heralded move Kenny Williams made last off-season seems to have been completely nullified by freak accident late in spring training. Were it not for Andy Gonzalez' presence on the roster last season, Toby Hall's 2007 season might have been more recognized as one of the most futile campaigns in White Sox history. Going by OPS+, Hall had the 6th worst season (min 115 PAs) for any non-pitcher in White Sox history.

If there's a silver lining, it's that Hall was able to post a .321 OBP against LHP in '07, which seemed to be the reason he was brought to the Sox until Pierzynski started complaining about platoons and losing playing time. Hall had a ridiculously futile .297 OPS -- yes, you read that right -- against right handers last year, reinforcing the need for him to avoid right-handed pitching.

If Hall is going to make the roster, which is far from a guarantee at this point, Ozzie needs to sit down with AJ and tell him that his off-days are going to coincide almost exclusively with the opposing pitchers handedness. And he needs to explain to AJ that it's not simply about his (in)ability to hit LHP, but about Hall's complete uselessness against RHP.

Trivial Pursuit

The White Sox have led the American League each of the last three seasons (2005-2007), and all of baseball the last two, in this category.

Hint: Think slightly outside the box. It's not something you're going to find by simply sorting through ESPN's stats. (Answer)

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Quick!

Someone send this to OG so we can stop hearing this "Owens in CF" bullshit.

Of course he'll see the +4 and probably think it pertains to golf, or something.

by Craig Grebeck on Mar 7, 2008 12:02 AM CST reply actions

Not enough data

Other fielding metrics have Swisher as being terrible last year in ST.

He needs more time, both to get fully acclimated and for the data to sort out the noise, before we should make any judge on his CF viability.

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Mar 7, 2008 12:08 AM CST up reply actions

ST = CF

I'm getting my abbr. confused

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Mar 7, 2008 12:10 AM CST up reply actions

Most people were saying that...

Hall should start against almost all lefties and no righties when he was originally signed due to his and Pierzynski's splits. The only way Hall should have seen righties would be if Pierzynski got injured.

by SSH2005 on Mar 7, 2008 12:18 AM CST reply actions

Trivial Pursuit

Failed sacrifice bunt attempts?
Profanity by the manager?

by hitlesswonder on Mar 7, 2008 12:51 AM CST reply actions

I'm going to guess HR allowed by starters

Without looking at anything, so it'll probably be dead wrong.

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Mar 7, 2008 5:05 AM CST reply actions

Intential BB

"There is not a liberal America and a conservative America. There is the United States of America."

by Tdogg on Mar 7, 2008 6:37 AM CST reply actions

Intentional

geez

"There is not a liberal America and a conservative America. There is the United States of America."

by Tdogg on Mar 7, 2008 6:39 AM CST up reply actions

Why didn't Toby Hall

have surgery in the off season if the shoulder was still "problematic" in October?

Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 7, 2008 6:40 AM CST reply actions

Trivial Pursuit

I'm gonna say winning one run games.

by booyeah on Mar 7, 2008 7:21 AM CST reply actions

1st inning runs?

Next time, Bhoov, do some research.

by Chiburb on Mar 7, 2008 7:25 AM CST reply actions

Innings pitched or number of starts

By the original starting rotation (5) to start a season. The Sox have been sick at that......

"There is not a liberal America and a conservative America. There is the United States of America."

by Tdogg on Mar 7, 2008 7:43 AM CST reply actions

Yep

I didn't realize they led last year until stumbling on it last night...

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Mar 7, 2008 1:22 PM CST up reply actions

Hey Cheat!

He Cheated he gave 2 answers!

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by Soulja Boy on Mar 7, 2008 4:32 PM CST up reply actions

OK

He only gets half of the winner's prize...

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Mar 7, 2008 5:06 PM CST up reply actions

So which is it?

Innings pitched or number of starts?

by flapjack on Mar 8, 2008 2:17 PM CST up reply actions

Sorry

Should have read one down . . .

by flapjack on Mar 8, 2008 2:17 PM CST up reply actions

Trivia

# of starts by their starting pitchers. ;) nailed it!

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by Soulja Boy on Mar 7, 2008 8:10 AM CST reply actions

let me clarify

What is # of starts by the 5 starting pitchers who start the season as starters.

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by Soulja Boy on Mar 7, 2008 8:26 AM CST up reply actions

I agree

In 05, 06, and 07 the White Sox are the only team to have its top 5 starters make at least 150 starts.

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by mike42 on Mar 7, 2008 8:32 AM CST up reply actions

Swisher .908 OPS???

I have a hard time trying to convince myself that his projections will play out.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 7, 2008 8:45 AM CST reply actions

Why?

Because he's playing in a much smaller ball park? Bobby are you suicidal? You seem to have a glass half empty outlook on life/white sox baseball.

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by Soulja Boy on Mar 7, 2008 8:58 AM CST up reply actions

Lets say I would be very pleased

if those numbers panned out.

I am not suicidal!

I am a Sox Fan - try not too be too optimistic.
I got married in September, so my life has changed just a bit
My wife is pregnant
The winter blues are getting to me.

Ozzie: "He got a [migraine] headache. I believe him because he's a real religious guy. Someone else tells me they have a migraine, I know they are hung over."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 7, 2008 9:48 AM CST up reply actions

Congrats on the soon to be addition!

Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 7, 2008 9:56 AM CST up reply actions

Congrats

Just dont be one of those dads complaining about your kid's projected OPS for tee ball! LOL

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by Soulja Boy on Mar 7, 2008 10:03 AM CST up reply actions

F that.

Three words for you.

Left -- handed --- pitching.

Tie right hand behind back (immediately, right in the crib AND loosely, of course), if need be.

Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 7, 2008 10:16 AM CST up reply actions

I agree with you on that!

Hope the wife goes for it.

Ozzie: "He got a [migraine] headache. I believe him because he's a real religious guy. Someone else tells me they have a migraine, I know they are hung over."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 7, 2008 10:19 AM CST up reply actions

Cheat, great Stones reference

Thanks for the shout-out to the old farts.

Swish is going to be one of the great Sox trades. Book it.

I wrote this song after I killed a drifter to get an erection.

by winningugly on Mar 7, 2008 8:53 AM CST reply actions

Trivia

I believe the # of starts by starting pitchers wins the prize, I can't wait until 2:00 P.M. to have this substantiated. Let's play ball!

by Florida Jim on Mar 7, 2008 9:12 AM CST reply actions

Trivial Pursuit

Transactions

by 3E8 on Mar 7, 2008 9:27 AM CST reply actions

You have to answer

in the form of a question. or you are incorrect. does anyone know if Gavin is pitching today?

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by Soulja Boy on Mar 7, 2008 9:39 AM CST up reply actions

You know I might have to agree with this one

I know KW leads in his tenure but I don't know about year to year.

"There is not a liberal America and a conservative America. There is the United States of America."

by Tdogg on Mar 7, 2008 10:31 AM CST up reply actions

Correction

Sometimes what KW wants isn't what is best for the White Sox.

by cachhubguy on Mar 7, 2008 9:46 AM CST reply actions

Average number

of beers / alcoholic drinks consumed per ticket sold.

Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 7, 2008 9:47 AM CST reply actions

I would say 1.5 Beers/Ticket

Ozzie: "He got a [migraine] headache. I believe him because he's a real religious guy. Someone else tells me they have a migraine, I know they are hung over."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 7, 2008 9:49 AM CST up reply actions

Trivia

Either runners caught stealing or stolen bases allowed. Take your pick.

by Winning is Fung on Mar 7, 2008 10:16 AM CST reply actions

i'd like to agree with everyone else

who is saying starts by the first five starters and it was my first inclination, as well, but i'm looking at the numbers right now and the As led the AL in 2005 with 156 starts by their top 5, while the sox had 152. so it's not that.

by larry on Mar 7, 2008 10:22 AM CST reply actions

of course

now i'm having some trouble figuring out how bill james came up with those numbers.

by larry on Mar 7, 2008 10:29 AM CST up reply actions

gasp

bill james is wrong! he added in joe kennedy's starts. their first five made 148 starts. so everyone guessing this is right.

by larry on Mar 7, 2008 10:33 AM CST up reply actions

The King is dead!

Long live the King! (Drinks.)

(Spittttt)....The King lives??????

I wrote this song after I killed a drifter to get an erection.

by winningugly on Mar 7, 2008 10:50 AM CST up reply actions

Note Cheat's hint

Hint: Think slightly outside the box. It's not something you're going to find by simply sorting through ESPN's stats.

I'm liking transactions

So instead of a big splash, there were ripples -- enough to change the tide, Williams believes

by Brush Back on Mar 7, 2008 10:30 AM CST up reply actions

and you're not going to be able

to figure out that the sox first five starters led the league in starts by sorting espn stats.

by larry on Mar 7, 2008 10:32 AM CST up reply actions

if you have too much time on your hands

you can

by 3E8 on Mar 7, 2008 10:57 AM CST up reply actions

i suppose

but i think you're reading a little too much into cheat's comment. i imagine he meant you couldn't do it simply by sorting the categories and seeing who comes out on top. you'd need to figure out who each team's first five starters were and add their starts up.

by larry on Mar 7, 2008 11:03 AM CST up reply actions

not that much work

after sorting by games started it would be pretty aparent which couple teams are in play for most starts but yeah I get your point it's not just a click on the header and get your result type thing.

by 3E8 on Mar 7, 2008 1:20 PM CST up reply actions

Ergo, alcohol.

Maybe tattoos on women in the upper deck?

Male body piercings in the "other than earlobe" category?

Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 7, 2008 10:43 AM CST up reply actions

I like transactions, too

Looking at the 2005 jumpfest on the Astros' mound I see way too many guys who are gone.

I wrote this song after I killed a drifter to get an erection.

by winningugly on Mar 7, 2008 11:56 AM CST up reply actions

i think people don't realize

how much turnover occurs on MLB teams. the sox are about average since 2005.

if you want to see turnover, look at a team like the marlins. what to they have left from 05, zero starters? willingham maybe got a few PA that year, josh johnson and olsen a few innings. probably another random guy or two.

by larry on Mar 7, 2008 12:05 PM CST up reply actions

This person doesn't, that's for sure

Suspense will be over soon.

I wrote this song after I killed a drifter to get an erection.

by winningugly on Mar 7, 2008 12:16 PM CST up reply actions

But just curious

Are transactions and turnover the same? Is releasing someone the same as trading for someone? Or for that matter losing someone to free agency...

So instead of a big splash, there were ripples -- enough to change the tide, Williams believes

by Brush Back on Mar 7, 2008 12:32 PM CST up reply actions

no

free agent going away at end of a contract wouldn't be a transaction. releasing, trading, assigning, purchasing, signing, etc. would all be transactions.

by larry on Mar 7, 2008 12:34 PM CST up reply actions

Thinking of Everett, Big Frank, etc.

who were not renewed and thus, it appears, not included in the "transactions" column, I'd amend my answer (even though probably wrong) to "roster turnover" or whatever verbage that means "amount of new guys on the roster each year".

I wrote this song after I killed a drifter to get an erection.

by winningugly on Mar 7, 2008 12:40 PM CST up reply actions

like i said

take a look at the nationals or the marlins. that's some turnover. the sox still have, what, nine players who made significant contributions in 2005 still here?

by larry on Mar 7, 2008 12:45 PM CST up reply actions

As mentioned, I'm probably wrong,

but I will go down with my ship.

I wrote this song after I killed a drifter to get an erection.

by winningugly on Mar 7, 2008 1:02 PM CST up reply actions

admirable, admiral

by larry on Mar 7, 2008 1:03 PM CST up reply actions

I know its right

I heard that stat guy say that on the mike murphey show a couple weeks back.

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by Soulja Boy on Mar 7, 2008 10:43 AM CST reply actions

PK's decline and the harrah hypothesis

interesting article over at HBT. i'd forgotten about the "harrah hypothesis" (bill didn't name it this but the guy writing the article did and i love alliteration) so it was an interesting refresher for those long-time bill james followers. and a great article for everyone else.

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/take-a-walk-lose-some-average/

by larry on Mar 7, 2008 10:51 AM CST reply actions

you've got to be kidding

Scott Linebrink has not pitched the last two days due to a migraine.

link

link also has overview of yesterday's B game, featuring poreda, mcculloch, and new signing matt anderson.

further, some lineup info for today's split squad action:

A full complement of White Sox position player regulars will be making Friday's trip to Tempe to face off against Jon Garland, who spent the past eight years as part of Chicago's rotation. Paul Konerko, A.J. Pierzynski, Jermaine Dye, Joe Crede and Nick Swisher all are scheduled to hit against the sinkerball specialist, in support of starting pitcher Lance Broadway. Nick Masset gets the start back in Tucson, during split-squad action against the Diamondbacks.

by larry on Mar 7, 2008 11:16 AM CST reply actions

I hope his migranes are not like my sister in laws

They can put her down 3-4 days at a time.

"There is not a liberal America and a conservative America. There is the United States of America."

by Tdogg on Mar 7, 2008 11:35 AM CST up reply actions

exactly

thankfully, it seems this hasn't been a problem in the past.

''I believe him because he's a real religious guy,'' Guillen said of Linebrink. ''Someone else tell me they have a migraine, I know they are hung over.''

http://www.southtownstar.com/sports/830284,030708sptsoxnbk.article

by larry on Mar 7, 2008 11:38 AM CST up reply actions

I had one - in college.

Worst afternoon of my life. Skiing at Breckenridge on Super Bowl Sunday in 1974 (not even sure if it was CALLED the Super Bowl back then). UNBELIEVABLE PAIN for about 6 hours, IIRC. But never again. I have real sympathy for those afflicted.

Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 7, 2008 11:40 AM CST up reply actions

and a chill goes through the AL central

in case anyone cares, liriano returns to the mound today.

by larry on Mar 7, 2008 11:26 AM CST reply actions

Same as Santana, right?

So we (may) have the same problem as last year. And the last 5 years or so.

Be glad we don't face 2 Santanas. (Trying to be positive.)

I wrote this song after I killed a drifter to get an erection.

by winningugly on Mar 7, 2008 11:52 AM CST up reply actions

1.2IP

2 hits, 1 K, 1 BB, no runs

by larry on Mar 7, 2008 1:05 PM CST up reply actions

full lineups for today

Lineups

We sent a pretty potent lineup to Tempe today for that game:

Swisher, CF; Ramirez, SS; Konerko, DH; Dye, RF; AJ, C; Crede, 3B; Uribe, 2B; Eldred, 1B; Wise, LF. Broadway pitching.

At home vs. the DBacks it is:

Ozuna, LF; Cabrera, SS; Thome, DH; Fields, 3B; Liefer, 1B; Anderson, LF; Negron, RF; Lucy, C; Bourgeois, CF. Masset pitching.

also, today is steve stone's first game on the radio.

by larry on Mar 7, 2008 11:30 AM CST reply actions

My #2 Main Man,

Nick.

Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 7, 2008 11:34 AM CST up reply actions

Sorry for the confusion, if any.

Nick...........Masset.

Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 7, 2008 11:35 AM CST up reply actions

richar hurt; finished in 2B sweepstakes

most likely, of course. arrives late. arrives hurt. arrives and doesn't play. tough to compete for a job when you're not, you know, competing.

And the newest concern facing the Sox is a setback Danny Richar suffered with his back.

Richar is one of three candidates competing for the vacancy at second base and was already a week behind because of visa problems. He suffered a back injury playing winter ball and seemed to aggravate it slightly when he got to camp, but he played in several Cactus League games the last week without any problems.

That changed Wednesday, when he reinjured the back during a 2-for-3 performance against Colorado.

''He's got this back problem, and this was a guy that was already behind,'' Guillen said. ''We'll see. Hopefully he can bounce back and not fall too far behind.''

As it stands, Juan Uribe has emerged as the leading candidate for the second-base job. Rookie Alexei Ramirez started his first game at second in a B game Thursday and performed well.

http://www.southtownstar.com/sports/830284,030708sptsoxnbk.article

by larry on Mar 7, 2008 11:40 AM CST reply actions

Nail in the coffin

for him for 2008. He pissed Ozzie off to begin with and now this.

Hopefully Ramirez shines for the rest of ST. The thought of Profundo swinging for the fences with one out and a runner on second still frightens me.

Ozzie: "He got a [migraine] headache. I believe him because he's a real religious guy. Someone else tells me they have a migraine, I know they are hung over."

by BobbySouthSide on Mar 7, 2008 11:58 AM CST up reply actions

Making Oz's job easier

Currently down 2 outfielders, now down a second baseman. We are starting to narrow down the outfield to Swish, Dye (both locks), BA and ??? (depending on health) - Second base is now Juan, Alexei, and Pablo.

I'd assume 3rd will be resolved in a couple weeks.

So instead of a big splash, there were ripples -- enough to change the tide, Williams believes

by Brush Back on Mar 7, 2008 11:58 AM CST up reply actions

Trivia

Most at bats wasted on sucks who should be fifth outfielders/backup backup MIFs? (Timo, Pablo, the Grinder Twins, Andy Gonzalez, Robbie Mack....)

Stretch!

by stevegoz on Mar 7, 2008 11:45 AM CST reply actions

You might be onto something there.

Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 7, 2008 11:47 AM CST up reply actions

I was going to say Home Runs...

but that's easily findable on ESPN.

Thoughts...

If Richar doesn't start this year, I won't be terribly dissapointed. He was worse than league average last year, and I don't think he was going to be much better this year. Alexei, I think, has a better chance to post a better OPS than Richar with slightly less HR totals. But if Uribe gets the job I'll cry in my pillow. I'd rather Richar post sub-league average numbers in an attempt to grow than have Uribe's fat ass up there doing what he does.
I said it from the beginning, I loved the Swisher trade. Hands down the absolute best acquisition Kenny has pulled off since the Thome trade. The key number in those columns is Swisher's age.
Toby Hall is a waste of space, and so are our minor league catching "prospects". I didn't like the Hall signing then, nor do I like it any more now, obviously. Lots of better options existed then, and still exist now, for the same money or less. I wish Kenny would just release him and be done with it. Lucy and Armstrong (bit of irony in that name, huh?)... I agree don't belong on a MLB roster.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Mar 7, 2008 12:10 PM CST reply actions

I still believe that the Toby Hall signing...

would have been a good one, had he not gotten injured playing 1B. Good one, Ozzie.

by SSH2005 on Mar 7, 2008 12:20 PM CST up reply actions

And who exactly

Were the better options for the Sox at the time of the signing?

"There is not a liberal America and a conservative America. There is the United States of America."

by Tdogg on Mar 7, 2008 12:36 PM CST up reply actions

you know

paul bako. chris widger. doug mirabelli. rod barajas. corky miller. you seem to have forgotten how stellar the back-up catcher market was last offseason. tremendous, just tremendous.

by larry on Mar 7, 2008 12:42 PM CST up reply actions

WTF?

What about the rotting corpse of S. Alomar, Junior?

How quickly we forget a man who's been on our roster at least 40 times the last decade.

I wrote this song after I killed a drifter to get an erection.

by winningugly on Mar 7, 2008 1:09 PM CST up reply actions

Cubs Suck

In today's Trib, Analyze this, Cubs rooters. This Fred Mitchell, he's a funny guy - like a clown:

"In the case of a losing team, a fan has to be prepared to delay gratification for years, decades, and occasionally a century."

"We're actually doing some different things at the top of the lineup, but our key is Jerry Owens being our center fielder and our leadoff guy" - JD

by ChicagoPete on Mar 7, 2008 12:50 PM CST reply actions

Trivial Pursuit

What is the number of (Sox) runners thrown out at the plate?

I'm not a stathead, so looking online would be a waste of my time. I'm just going with my gut on the number of times in the last three years I've seen the Sox squander a run because one of our tortoise-like sluggers is standing on third and breaks for the plate on contact, only to get thrown out by a middle infielder, or because the same heavy-legged players were getting waved in from second on a routine single to the outfield and were beaten by five steps on two-hop throws from average outfielders. Pulling Joey Cora off of the 3B coaching role helped, but not that much.

"Looks like the joke's on us, doesn't it?"

by Happy Felsch on Mar 7, 2008 12:54 PM CST reply actions

Not bad.

Or maybe least assists by OUR outfielders.

Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 7, 2008 1:43 PM CST up reply actions

Gio

So Gio makes his first-ever spring start, giving up a swinging bunt single and one walk in three scoreless innings, drawing this response from a local writer:

"Gio Gonzalez is already turning heads in A's camp, which means he should be traded for prospects no later than 2010."

Ain't easy bein' an A's fan, either, I guess.

"They say that blood is thicker than water. What we have is thicker than blood."

by Toonderstrook on Mar 7, 2008 1:32 PM CST reply actions

"Either"?

Are you insinuating that "it ain't easy" being a Sox fan? Eau contraire, Toodah. It's easier than being married, employed, or terminally ill.

Mostly.

I wrote this song after I killed a drifter to get an erection.

by winningugly on Mar 7, 2008 1:51 PM CST up reply actions

night moves.

it's actually gotten easier for me since the move. i am not inundated with mariotti and the rest, not to mention any cubs talk or print. now the only chicago baseball news i get is stuff i actually look for.

"They say that blood is thicker than water. What we have is thicker than blood."

by Toonderstrook on Mar 7, 2008 1:54 PM CST up reply actions

but they have a GM who

walks on water. So they got that going for them. Which is good...

Lord, beer me strength.

by Nordhagen on Mar 7, 2008 1:53 PM CST up reply actions

Close, but no cigar

Your Caddyshack reference should read:

So they've got that going for them, you know, which is nice.

;)

Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.

by rhythm on Mar 7, 2008 6:23 PM CST up reply actions

OT

do you ever throw one back at cato's on piedmont ave.?

"They say that blood is thicker than water. What we have is thicker than blood."

by Toonderstrook on Mar 7, 2008 6:38 PM CST up reply actions

I used to go there a lot

when I lived nearby. Good food and a decent selection of beers on tap.

I live closer to Dona Tomas these days, so my trips to Cato's are less frequent.

Do you go there often, or did you see someone in a Sox hat and wonder if it was me?

Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.

by rhythm on Mar 7, 2008 7:00 PM CST up reply actions

My hood.

I go there a bunch these days. We live just up the hill. Aside from being convenient, I am a fan of the IPA variety and the 25 oz. mugs. Could potentially work for the LC SSS ST meet up, although I don't know if we would ever be able to get a Sox game on TV there.

"They say that blood is thicker than water. What we have is thicker than blood."

by Toonderstrook on Mar 7, 2008 7:14 PM CST up reply actions

Nice place to be

I'd be up for meeting at Cato's, but it seems to me that JRE is on the peninsula. From my experience, people over there don't like to venture into Oakland. Pansies.

Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.

by rhythm on Mar 7, 2008 7:25 PM CST up reply actions

Rhythm, did you have to use your AK?

If not, today was a good day.

I wrote this song after I killed a drifter to get an erection.

by winningugly on Mar 7, 2008 7:29 PM CST up reply actions

Oaklandish.

It's all about the Too $hort up in here.

"They say that blood is thicker than water. What we have is thicker than blood."

by Toonderstrook on Mar 7, 2008 7:31 PM CST up reply actions

Hey, I know you have another

7 weeks before you get your bar results, but is there a part of you that checks your e-mail, thinking you just might get news a bit early?

When I was waiting for my CFP results (also 2 freakin' months!) it seemed like forever. My advice to you is to begin drinking heavily. (Or, as you were, soldier.)

Few people know I am fueled creatively by my massive hatred of immigrants.

by winningugly on Mar 7, 2008 7:56 PM CST up reply actions

No chance.

They are very specific as to when the results will be available on line and when the list of names of passing examtakers will be made public. I suppose it's nice that since less than 50% will pass, they give you about 36 hours to find out if you failed and if so to inform whoever you need to (i.e., make up some excuse why you failed) before they can check the list of names for the big letdown themselves.

"They say that blood is thicker than water. What we have is thicker than blood."

by Toonderstrook on Mar 7, 2008 9:32 PM CST up reply actions