Spring Training Game #14: White Sox @ Padres -- Jose Contreras vs. Randy Wolf

by The Wizard on Mar 9, 2008 2:03 PM CDT in Game Threads

Time: 3:05 p.m. CT, TV: CSN, MLB.tv, Radio: MLB.radio (Live Boxscore; MLB Gameday)

Sox: Ozuna, SS; Ramirez, 2B; Dye, RF; Fields, 3B; Anderson, LF; Eldred, 1B; Phillips, C; Bourgeois, CF; Contreras, P

Padres: Hairston, CF; Gerut, LF; Kouzmanoff, 3B; Gonzalez, A, 1B; Bard, C; McAnulty, RF; Gonzalez, Ed, 2B; Rodriguez, SS; Wolf, P

***** In other news,

Speaking of blasphemy, how can these guys bat leadoff a guy who doesn't steal? (hat-tip BBTF).
Nick Pietruszkiewicz wants Kenny to bring Barry Bonds to the South Side.
The Legend continues his Joe Crede campaign.
Baseball Musings evaluates the Sox rotation.

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now that's a horseshit lineup

i guess it is sunday.

by larry on Mar 9, 2008 2:05 PM CDT reply actions

I guess the drama lies (for me)....

in watching Contreras, Egbert, and Ramirez.

by stanchar on Mar 9, 2008 2:37 PM CDT reply actions

Anderson as well....

I think he could have a shot at the 25 if he keeps this up. I could be fooling myself, but whatever.

Oh, and someone on Soxtalk said they heard on XM today Crede for Hong-Chih Kuo? Pass

by Tony82087 on Mar 9, 2008 2:53 PM CDT reply actions

I just hope there is no scenario in which

the Tigers unload Inge and somehow get Broxton back.

by stanchar on Mar 9, 2008 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions

That's fairly unrealistic...

I would at least hope so. Broxton is one of their top young players. I say players, because he's not really a prospect anymore. He's proven.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Mar 9, 2008 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions

Yeah, you're probably right....

just hard to count Dombrowski out on anything. But it is very unlikely. Nice to see T. Jones get shelled again today. For whatever it's worth I think we'll see Jason Isringhausen in a Tigers' uniform by summer's end.

by stanchar on Mar 9, 2008 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions

Dye...

Swing and a miss on a high fastball

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Mar 9, 2008 3:09 PM CDT reply actions

not encouraging that's for sure

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Mar 9, 2008 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions

The radio guys...

are so much better than Hawk/DJ.

I wish I could stream the radio and mute the MLB.TV audio. Is that possible? Or will my computer blow up?

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Mar 9, 2008 3:11 PM CDT reply actions

Try two different browsers

You can right-click on the video and mute that. Probably can't open both with the same browser, but if you have IE and Firefox, try one of each.

Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Mar 9, 2008 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions

Damn!

Hairston is fast! His legs move like in the cartoons. I thought that was a good strong throw by Ozuna at least.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Mar 9, 2008 3:16 PM CDT reply actions

I hope we don't spend this season

going "that's one juan would have gotten to"

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Mar 9, 2008 3:16 PM CDT reply actions

Hawk...

Why is it tougher to manage these days than ever before?

...

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Mar 9, 2008 3:18 PM CDT reply actions

WHAT?!

Hawk says that there is no doubt in his mind that Feisty would be managing if he had not chosen to broadcast...

Imagine DJ managing your White Sox in 2012.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Mar 9, 2008 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions

DJ

he can manage these white sox

by The Wizard on Mar 9, 2008 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions

hah...

I'd take that job in a heartbeat.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Mar 9, 2008 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions

as would I

...and it would be good for the Chicago White Sox. The last time I worked in New Zealand was 2005...and we know what happened then.

by asinwreck on Mar 9, 2008 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions

well I'll tell ya DJ

back when I was playing with Yaz and Jimmy Rice you just didn't see the same kinda attitude you get outta some of these here youngins.

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Mar 9, 2008 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions

what is that pitch that jose is throwing

it looks like a slider, but Im not sure and its got like no dive. Ugh.

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Mar 9, 2008 3:19 PM CDT reply actions

Ugh is right.

Contreras is missing his spots badly. He hung that one up on a hanger for Kouz.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Mar 9, 2008 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions

Contreras needs to keep the ball...

below the waist.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Mar 9, 2008 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions

didn't work there

by larry on Mar 9, 2008 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions

K. even lower.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Mar 9, 2008 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions

dammit Count!!!

It's gonna be a long year if he keeps that up. Fock! What happened to the Count workin' his forkball?

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Mar 9, 2008 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions

Gonzalez laid off a couple good ones

Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Mar 9, 2008 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions

He's staying on the outside corner on Bard

I thought that was a good pitch sequence, just missed a few, again.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Mar 9, 2008 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions

compare that to how he's pitching to

McAnulty. Up at the letters.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Mar 9, 2008 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions

Anyone but McAnulty

And this might be a 6-0 game.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Mar 9, 2008 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions

"the fuck did I do?"

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Mar 9, 2008 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions

stoked to see the series finale tonight

feel me yo

by onlysoxfaninboston on Mar 9, 2008 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions

Invent a fictitious serial killer?

Jimmy just never learned to play ball...

by hitlesswonder on Mar 9, 2008 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions

I'm gonna have to watch it again

Great episode, there was a lot to absorb. Kind of like I figured, all parties had to cover everything up because of the enormity of the lie. And I liked when Cheese got got.

"We're actually doing some different things at the top of the lineup, but our key is Jerry Owens being our center fielder and our leadoff guy" - JD

by ChicagoPete on Mar 10, 2008 8:00 AM CDT up reply actions

Count

I'm glad to see him throwing the majority of his pitches from the 3/4 slot. At first it looked so weird to me after watching almost 100% drop-down last year. He's leaving everything up though.

by 3E8 on Mar 9, 2008 3:24 PM CDT reply actions

Brian smoked that one.

Glad to see him making good contact on pitches in zone.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Mar 9, 2008 3:36 PM CDT reply actions

B.A. for centerfield!

vote Brian in '08

shit is this guy our best centerfielder or what?
I know, played college in Az, always good there, etc, but I always liked his range.

And thats not just the southside parade happy juice talkin' either.

by Gus on Mar 9, 2008 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions

alexei looks like our best legit CF

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Mar 9, 2008 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions

Alexei...

needs to be in the lineup in a daily basis... whether in CF, at 2B, or SS.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Mar 9, 2008 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions

He would be

best served playing eveyday in Charlottefor a month or two, IMO. Get acclimated to the USA, face DECENT pitching, work on the defense, etc. No hurry.

Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 10, 2008 6:39 AM CDT up reply actions

I'm with bally

a hot start against spring training caliber pitching shouldn't prevent the Sox from nurturing their investment.

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Mar 10, 2008 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions

and one would hope

the management of the team isn't so stupid as to simply look at spring training stats and would - maybe i'm out on a limb here and, judging by comments on this blog, it seems i may be - actually take a look at a player when he's at bat or in the field and consider whether a player whom larry or jim at sox machine can figure out how to get out by watching a few plate appearances is who you want to be going with.

by larry on Mar 10, 2008 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions

I'm just saying he should be getting AB's

on a daily basis. Whether that be in AAA or the big league club, whichever. To me, I would prefer him with the Sox because I don't want to see Jerry Owens or Uribe up there. We know what we have in them.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Mar 10, 2008 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions

Hm - we now know the short list

of posters whom larry respects from a baseball knowledge standpoint:

Jim at Sox Machine
larry

The list is actually longer than I figured.

;)

Few people know I am fueled creatively by my massive hatred of immigrants.

by winningugly on Mar 10, 2008 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions

ROFL!

Post of the week, and it's only Monday!

Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.

by rhythm on Mar 10, 2008 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions

lol.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Mar 10, 2008 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions

Is Jose in another relationship?

Was that a ground out to 2nd for Owens?

by ballyb on Mar 9, 2008 3:36 PM CDT reply actions

Got another question for ya..

Who is Paul Phillips?

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Mar 9, 2008 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions

I hope Bourgeois

makes the team... only to hear Hawk say his name.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Mar 9, 2008 3:39 PM CDT reply actions

eldred has a tank ass

and moves like it

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Mar 9, 2008 3:44 PM CDT reply actions

A-Ram

I like'em...I want him there on opening day.

Don't Stop believing!!!Did journey not teach us anything?

by JenksDaMan45 on Mar 9, 2008 4:13 PM CDT reply actions

BP loves A-Ram...

Of course, PECOTA doesn't have much to go on other than his Cuban numbers. But they predict him to have a +20 VORP at SS.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Mar 9, 2008 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions

Jose out for the 4th?

I feel like pretty soon he may hit the 100-pitch mark.

by parkermo on Mar 9, 2008 4:15 PM CDT reply actions

I went to the grocery store...

How did the Sox score 3? And the Count calmed down?

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Mar 9, 2008 4:26 PM CDT reply actions

Egbert!

Sweet. We get to see some Eggy goodness.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Mar 9, 2008 4:28 PM CDT reply actions

Is there any way...

Dotel can start?

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Mar 9, 2008 4:32 PM CDT reply actions

hrm. maybe not.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Mar 9, 2008 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions

damn these duck snorts!

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Mar 9, 2008 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions

duck snorts, lima beans

Hawkeroo - good
Guillen - WTF??

by Gus on Mar 9, 2008 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions

Anyone who is optimistic about our lineup...

I hope you didn't hear Joey Cora's interview. Jerry Owens is the starting CF'er and leadoff hitter. Uribe could be starting at 2B which is a good thing because he is a guaranteed 20 HR and 70 RBI at the 9th spot. Alexei Ramirez still has a shot at the 2B job but he also kept saying that Richar's situation is unfortunate so it sounds like he will be at AAA.

by SSH2005 on Mar 9, 2008 4:33 PM CDT reply actions

not optimistic... at all...

If that happens I predict a 70-75 win season.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Mar 9, 2008 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions

Unoptimistic

The Sox offense will be bad this season. They had a chance to have better numbers from CF and 2B but keeping Owens and Uribe is just punting at 2 positions.

How in the world can the Sox trade Garland (and Cunningham) and end up downgrading the defense at SS and the offense at 2B?

by hitlesswonder on Mar 9, 2008 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions

I concur

I dislike Owens.
It might be Pods fault, but the thought of this guy in there every day seems VERY detrimental to the team.
I dont care about his stats in garbage time last year.

by Gus on Mar 9, 2008 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions

Look at Fields numbers too

He is not having a confidence building spring - so poss downgrading D at SS, 3rd, and keeping Juan's bat in there - then we have the outfield... I feeling optimistic until a few days ago - seems like we are falling back into the same old pattern again.

So instead of a big splash, there were ripples -- enough to change the tide, Williams believes

by Brush Back on Mar 9, 2008 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions

Does anyone else hear DJ saying Dotel's name?

I think he's trying to call him O-Dotel but it sounds like "Oh, do tell." It's really annoying. Even more annoying than the rest of the broadcast.

by parkermo on Mar 9, 2008 4:43 PM CDT reply actions

He's doing it on purpose

by 3E8 on Mar 9, 2008 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions

Well, Garret Anderon started in LF today...

for the Padres according to DJ, not Jody Gerut. DJ is such a hack.

by SSH2005 on Mar 9, 2008 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions

"Anderson"...

I'm a hack too.

by SSH2005 on Mar 9, 2008 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions

one goody goody down

one to go.

I couldn't stand Singleton, and I dont care for D.J.

It might be racism, I dont like black dudes whiter than me and Im a deutch McSwede...

by Gus on Mar 9, 2008 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions

Anderson may be making contact on fastballs

But I just saw shades of '06 with him flailing pathetically at a bad curve that was well outside the zone

by 3E8 on Mar 9, 2008 4:46 PM CDT reply actions

Well that fits colin and larry's observations

That BA's swing and weaknesses at the plate remain unchanged. Maybe a hot spring will convince some team to pony up a B prospect for him though...

by hitlesswonder on Mar 9, 2008 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions

it doesn't seem to be just breaking balls

he's looked pretty silly on some changeups low and away, too. you've gotta be able to cover the plate a little better than that if you want to play in the majors. the "hole" in the swing is still there.

by larry on Mar 9, 2008 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions

Egbert - my first look

-Works extremely fast
-Has a weird stop/hitch in his motion
-Slight tailing action on the fastball
-Threw two nice changeups for strikes
-Average curve
-All four balls were hit in the air

by 3E8 on Mar 9, 2008 5:04 PM CDT reply actions

Liefer?

The way he looked that last at bat, we would have been better off signing Leiber and letting him take his hacks.

by parkermo on Mar 9, 2008 5:25 PM CDT reply actions

what I'm really waiting for

is the other shoe to drop on alexei. There's no way a guy who can be average offensively up the middle would garner so little attention after trying out in front of everyone. But I like what I see mechanically, his approach and pitch recognition look nice and the batted balls are line drive oriented. I want to see what he looks like against a real plus pitch, but he's definitely better than BA and JO.

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Mar 9, 2008 5:40 PM CDT reply actions

Sometimes...

players just go underevaluated.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Mar 9, 2008 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions

That should say...

undervalued, but underevaluated might work too.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on Mar 9, 2008 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions

true but the usual reason for that is a lack of

access or unexpected changes a year or two down the road. The story supposedly was that alexei worked out in front of everyone, right? There was basically no interest, judging from the contract, except for (I'd guess) a couple 1-2 year fliers at maybe a mil per.

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Mar 9, 2008 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions