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Things I learned on Opening Day '08

  • Mark Buehrle is quite ordinary against good teams -- Bull Pain pointed it out in the gamethread; Buehrle has markedly worse numbers both last year and in his career against "good" teams. This is obviously true of all pitchers in general, but it seems more pronounced with respect to Buehrle.

    Buehrle didn't look bad at all until the runs started coming. But when he starts to look bad, you almost have to wonder how he gets guys out at all.

    A common refrain around these parts in the second half of '06 was that Buehrle really needed to slow down when he started getting hit around. It's almost as if one of his greatest assets, his quick to the plate style, starts to work against him as he pounds the zone with hittable pitch after hittable pitch. I'd like to see him take a walk around the mound a little bit during one of these blowups. If nothing else just to try something new, when nothing else seems to be working

  • Orlando Cabrera will find many different ways to cost the Sox runs -- Cabrera drew a walk and scored on Jim Thome's HR in the first, but it was all down hill after that. He got a slow read on a groundball back up the middle to start Buehrle's implosion, then failed to even pick up a routine double play ball by the next hitter. Buehrle induced another near double play from the next batter, recording one out, before the wheels came off.

    Cabrera didn't just cost the Sox runs with his glove. He had a pair of gaffes in the 8th to help the Indians get out of a bases loaded, nobody out situation. I was not aware of it until I saw CSN display the stats, but Cabrera has a terrible record with the bases loaded (.209/.233/.278 entering the game). That's not something you expect from someone who is described as "a gamer" or an "adept handler of the bat."

    Cabrera's grounder to short, which allowed Jhonny Peralta to throw out a clearly safe Joe Crede at home, would have been bad enough, but Cabrera immediately followed it up with another mistake that cost the Sox. His overzealous takeout slide at second resulted in a double play that erased the Sox threat in the 8th. It was a debatable call, one that I initially called brutal, but it was probably the right one, or at least it's defensible. Those two calls in the 8th might have decided the game, and certainly should have elicited more of a reaction out of Ozzie Guillen.

  • Guillen is too kind, too gentle -- Guillen vowed to be more fiery this season, but given two golden opportunities to lay into an umpire in the 8th inning, he chose to have a civil conversation instead. I know Guillen's fiery reputation is a bit undeserved, but sometimes I think he takes special care to avoid falling into the stereotype, even if the situation calls for it.

  • Jim Thome can hit lefties -- Sometime this off-season I honestly thought about suggesting Thome leadoff against lefthanders. It was only after I took a better look at the numbers (.209/.325/.344, 14 HR since 2005) that I realized he didn't even get on base enough in those situations to justify the unorthodox move.

    It was a pleasant surprise to see Thome go deep twice off of a pitcher as tough as Sabathia, but I still feel like it will be the exception to the rule. It took him until July 2nd last season for him to hit his second HR of the year off a lefty.

  • Nick Masset is major league pitcher. Against Cleveland. In the first two weeks of the season -- Masset began last season with 9.2 innings of solid work against the Indians before he faced another club. He then posted an ERA over 8 in his next 29 innings before closing out his major league tour with another scoreless outing against the Indians. It's almost as if the Indians are making him look good when they have these big leads just to ensure that Masset is on the roster for the rest of the season.

    In all seriousness, Masset pitched well today, allowing just 2 baserunners in 4+ innings. He helped make what could have been a disaster of a game into an exciting game with a terrible outcome.

  • Alexei Ramirez is not ready for prime time -- Ramirez was the lone Sox hitter who failed to record a hit on Monday, and struck out 3 times. Two of those strikeouts were on just three pitches. Alexei also had an interesting day in the field, bumping into Jermaine Dye on a pretty routine ball in the gap to start the bottom of the first, and making a diving play on a misread of a shallow fly ball to center later in the game.

    It would be hypocritical of me to suggest that one game is enough evidence against to call for Ramirez' demotion after doing almost exactly the opposite in the previous two bullet points. But it does indeed look like Ramirez will have a significant adjustment period at the big leagues. Thankfully, if his final plate appearance against Sabathia is any indication, he does appear to be a quick study.

  • You guys really have a lot to say -- We had something like 800 comments during the game even though things really got shaky after 6th inning. I know our tech team is working hard on the performance issues, and we'll be running like a well oiled machine soon. For the most part, however, the new features have made the gamethreads a whole lot better.

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i still think

alexei will be replacing uribe in july or so. and very likely leading off (whether he deserves to or not) next season, as well. but i still also think that he should be in charlotte. it's cliche, but welcome to the big leagues.

the law of conservation of masset: no matter how much masset you use up, there is always masset in your system.

by larry on Mar 31, 2008 8:37 PM CDT   0 recs

i dont think you'd have too many

people arguing with that statement. i know i dont have very high expectations for alexei in the first month or so because of the adjustment hes going to have to make.

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Mar 31, 2008 8:48 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

So like I said...

Damn good thing Masset made the team and that lineup looks like it's going to be cooking with gas...or actually that's the opposite of what I said. I get back from work, check the box score and it's like bizarro world in Cleveland. I also thought the Dotel signing was good and that Dye was a good candidate to fall off a cliff this year. The fact that it was one game notwithstanding, I'll turn in my prognosticator badge at the door.

The two things I take away from what I read are:

1) The Sox really should have Ramirez in AAA or at 2B and Quentin in the lineup.

2) I'll be really upset if the Sox sign Cabrera. He's a perfectly ordinary aging SS and the Sox will be lucky to get a decent 2008 out of him. I'll be interested in seeing how much of an upgrade he is over Uribe over the course of the season.

by hitlesswonder on Mar 31, 2008 9:03 PM CDT   1 recs

I'm not disputing that

And 2007 OCab with a .345 OBP and .750 OPS along with good defense would be a significant upgrade. I'm just saying I'll be interested in seeing if he can perform similarly in 2008....

by hitlesswonder on Mar 31, 2008 9:49 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

smart baserunning, too

one of the better baserunners in baseball. and showed he was smarter than cox, too.

the law of conservation of masset: no matter how much masset you use up, there is always masset in your system.

by larry on Mar 31, 2008 9:56 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah.

That was a good play. But you know what, if he gets thrown out there I'm calling him a moron for running us out of games! haha

by parkermo on Mar 31, 2008 9:58 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

How was he smarter than Cox?

I feel very uninformed when there's a day game...

by hitlesswonder on Mar 31, 2008 10:15 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

he ran through a stop sign to score

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Mar 31, 2008 10:17 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He ran through a stop sign and scored

I forgot about it.. But it seemed pretty obvious to me that he should score based on where the ball was hit..

When Hawk/DJ said he was running through the stop sign, I couldn't figure out why there was one in the first place.

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Mar 31, 2008 10:18 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Because apparently, 3rd base coach must be the toughest job in baseball...

Our organization can't even hire a competent 3rd base coach.

I also like how Quentin and Anderson are on the bench and a guy from the Cuban league is starting and so is the Tasmanian Devil who we actually placed on waivers. Meanwhile, a guy who hit 23 homers in 373 AB's last season is in AAA.

Pretty awful.

by SSH2005 on Apr 1, 2008 7:26 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Told you to watch Fox

though I thought he'd be more aggressive. Perhaps his experience at Fantasy Camp has taken the edge off.

I took the "under".

by winningugly on Apr 1, 2008 8:21 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think I agree the most with the Cabrera thought.

But I would also like to add that on Blake's bases-clearing double, OCab had what I thought was a perfect shot to nail Gutierrez at the plate, which he completely biffed. Ended up not mattering (as in, that wasn't the deciding run) but I still would like to see my shortstop at least come within a couple feet of the catcher from short left field. But he put that throw about 5 feet down the first base line.

And 9-8 with Crede coming up with a shot to win it would just have been that much more exciting, no matter how aful he looked on every pitch besides his double.

by parkermo on Mar 31, 2008 9:54 PM CDT   0 recs

was it only this server that had problems?

i wouldnt be surprised if other sites had similar problems on opening day

by circles on Mar 31, 2008 9:55 PM CDT   0 recs

I think the old sites shared something like 10 machines...

The server structure changed with the move, including utilizing amazon's S3 service, and we still were having troubles...

I'm sure it won't be an issue in the longer term future, but opening day is generally many sites busiest day, and we had 30 sites all experiencing high loads while debuting relatively untested new features... There's no way to replicate the type of loads we were collectively pulling without just opening it up and seeing what breaks.

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Mar 31, 2008 10:04 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Kinda, but not really

I don't really have the technical knowledge base to be IT

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Mar 31, 2008 10:22 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

anyways, this is way better than than the other site. I don't

know how anybody, except the older folks couldn't like this format better.

by circles on Mar 31, 2008 10:24 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think you're being too harsh on both OC and the Missile

Cabrera "cost" the Sox the run on that interference insofar as he was the victim of an arbitrary call. Considering how good we know him to be on the basepaths, I'll defer to his judgment there. I liked what I saw of Ramirez after the first two ABs; he laid off some tough sliders and curves that more than a few on our club would not. Uribe looked terrible as usual at the plate and, despite the fact that he does a nice job covering for Cabrera's deficiency (going glove side), either he or Crede need replacing. I think you could convince me that one of them should stay so our infield doesnt totally suck. Give me Josh, damnit.

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Mar 31, 2008 10:16 PM CDT   0 recs

i agree here

nicely written (the Things I Learned,,,), but sounds a lot like it's coming from generalization city. OC has been in the bigs for many years...let's give him more than 9 innings before deciding that he can't field double play balls.

by HulkSmash on Apr 1, 2008 7:56 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

um, is there an equivalent to the old

southsidesox.com/users/colintj/comments or is there some notification service available?

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Mar 31, 2008 10:18 PM CDT   0 recs

http://www.sbnation.com/users/colintj

lists all of your recent activity across the network. It should display (1 reply) accordingly when someone has replied to a comment of yours.

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Mar 31, 2008 10:24 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

it only does the last three comments, and the top one won't

render properly.

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Mar 31, 2008 11:20 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That must be an Iphone specific issue

because there's a scroll on the right hand side that shows at least your last 50 -- I bet iphone doesn't do frames.

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Mar 31, 2008 11:25 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

just when I think it can't get any worse

my iPhone is such a tease.

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Apr 1, 2008 12:38 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Overall, Sox played well...

a few bad breaks really messed up this one game..Cabrera error, umps missing calls..I just couldnt believe they were hanging on and never giving up. If they keep playing this way this season, good things will happen. Nothing new from my post

by circles on Mar 31, 2008 10:21 PM CDT   0 recs

You learned all of that today?

I enjoy your writing, but if you can make all of those judgements after one game, then you need to go to Vegas. Cabrerra has won 2 golden gloves and you are convinced he will give up runs? The slide into 2nd Base certainly was a questionable call. Offensive/Defensively, he will be fine as his long track record shows. The same track record thing goes to the rest of your comments as well. History usually repeats itself. Buehrle is good, Thome will hit worse vs. LH, Ramirez (well I guess there is no track record there), and Masset his record - not so good. Hopefully, a win on Wed. will make us all feel warm and fuzzy.

Baseball....been...berry..berry...good...to me.

by Chico Escuela on Mar 31, 2008 10:37 PM CDT   0 recs

I was talking to the Cheat who wrote the main article. This new website is cool, but it will take me awhile to master.

Baseball....been...berry..berry...good...to me.

by Chico Escuela on Mar 31, 2008 10:41 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

BTW - I think the Ozzie is too kind thing is wrong as well. Lineup judgement, now that may be a different story. I like Ozzie so much, but he makes me cringe with some of the decisions. Again, why no Ozuna today, after saying he would start for weeks in the opener?

Baseball....been...berry..berry...good...to me.

by Chico Escuela on Mar 31, 2008 10:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

you make no sense..

with the Ozzie is too kind thing

by circles on Mar 31, 2008 10:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You missed some of the sarcasm

Most of the headlines are toungue in cheek. And the Ramirez note is the only one that I think holds any weight...

The part about it being only one game was supposed to be implied.

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Mar 31, 2008 10:41 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Jeter's won gold gloves, too

I expect OCab to be an average to slightly above average defensive SS. I think most defensive metrics bear that out, FWIW. But given his age, it's certainly possible his D will decline significantly from previous years. He'll be an interesting player to watch.

by hitlesswonder on Mar 31, 2008 11:24 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I expect him to be a very good defensive SS

According to defensive win shares, Cabrera has been a top 3 AL SS each of the past three seasons (for reference El Rotundo has finished 1,4,1). Jeter is of course nowhere close to that, usually finishing around 8th in the AL. I feel an argument that Cabrera has won GGs because of popularity like Jeter does not hold weight

by 3E8 on Apr 1, 2008 8:38 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Cheat had some stats up a while ago

that showed that OCab is much better to his left than to his right. After watching him yesterday I now see why. He can't throw, he doesn't have a good arm - he might be able to get to the ball in the hole, but there's nothing on his throw to first. Going to his left that's not as much of a negative, going to the right you can't hide the arm.

by ChicagoPete on Apr 1, 2008 9:57 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

30 scouting reports on tangotiger.net disagree with you

From last year his arm strength was rated a 67, whereas 50 is average (a 70 is top 15% in the league). Not to mention his accuracy was rated an 87. I will have to trust the data and scouting reports until I see him play more. I realize with age his skillset could deteriorate. But you are admittidly making this assumption after watching one game

by 3E8 on Apr 1, 2008 10:21 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

yeah

i think we all need to realize that pete maybe has just a touch of bias against cabrera. seems fairly obvious from his, like, fifty posts on this over the last few months.

cabrera is an average-ish SS. or, in other words, likely a massive improvement over uribe. maybe the man has dropped off the cliff. but i rather doubt it.

the law of conservation of masset: no matter how much masset you use up, there is always masset in your system.

by larry on Apr 1, 2008 10:28 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The problem is that Uribe is still out there

so his bat is still in the lineup. What's the point of acquiring Cabrera if you don't get rid of Uribe? Especially when, IMO after watching one game, Uribe is the better defensive SS? We had a redundancy at 3B and that results in Fields at AAA, now he have a redundancy at SS and it results in - Uribe still starting. Cabrera's only an upgrade if the player you're upgrading is gone.

by ChicagoPete on Apr 1, 2008 10:49 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

that's flawed logic

what you should presuppose is that he's replacing the player or players who are gone because of this move. in essence, cabrera replaces iguchi/richar, not uribe. in evaluating, one might also take into account who is in the rotation now that garland is gone. or the likely FA compensation. or the cost difference. there's lots of ways to evaluate and i'll let others figure out how they should weigh them.

the law of conservation of masset: no matter how much masset you use up, there is always masset in your system.

by larry on Apr 1, 2008 11:11 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I was just saying GG aren't a good metric

I guess because they are significantly biased towards low error totals and popularity (and offensive performance). The win shares and tangotiger reports are much stronger arguments in favor of OCab being a very good defensive SS.

by hitlesswonder on Apr 1, 2008 10:43 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

What award is a good metric?

Silver Slugger, GG, MVP, Cy young, all-star all have a relatively high level of subjectivity IMO.

by Chopper Two Hopper on Apr 1, 2008 1:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

MVP and cy young

at the very least, tend to go to someone who is amongst the top 3 or so players in that category. gold gloves often go to players who aren't very good (see, e.g., jeter, derek) or player who barely played the position (see, e.g., palmeiro, rafael).

the law of conservation of masset: no matter how much masset you use up, there is always masset in your system.

by larry on Apr 1, 2008 1:47 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Depends

on what "category" you are referring to.The best WHIP (for starting pitchers) and Cy Youngs don't always go hand in hand for instance.

Attached is a link of some cy young awards gone awry. I will agree that GG have given away comparatively more awards to folks that have no business winning that award than MVP/Cy Young if that is your contention.

by Chopper Two Hopper on Apr 1, 2008 2:07 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

that's probably as it should be

i like WHIP but i'm not sure that's completely how i would evaluate a pitcher. i'm not going to parse all of those, especially those dating back to the 60s, but my point was that they generally get it close to right. 2004, for example. sure, randy was better and deserved to win. but giving the award to clemens was not nearly as egregious as continually giving a gold glove to jeter. i'll also note that johnson had a less than usual BABIP that year - which obviously helped to suppress his hits and, hence, WHIP.

the law of conservation of masset: no matter how much masset you use up, there is always masset in your system.

by larry on Apr 1, 2008 2:19 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

or the 1st Heavy Metal Grammy going to

Jethro Tull

Next time, Bhoov, do some research.

by Chiburb on Apr 1, 2008 2:26 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

OK, I am an idiot. If only my post was meant to be sarcastic. My bad. Sorry Cheat. Thank goodness I know the truth now.

Baseball....been...berry..berry...good...to me.

by Chico Escuela on Mar 31, 2008 10:43 PM CDT   0 recs

I can't believe I just read 800

to game that I already watched.

Bring Back BA

by marco054 on Mar 31, 2008 10:54 PM CDT   0 recs

The wind...

...was definitely a factor in this game. Three of the home runs in the game - Thome's second, Dye's, and Gutierrez's - and Crede's double were all medium-deep fly balls that got pushed well back. I wasn't there, so I'm trusting this theory to the fact that Hawk didn't even implore their hits to "stretch", which he usually does if they're even close. He was genuinely surprised that Thome's and Dye's made it to the wall at all, let alone over it.

I'm not sure what this means, except that the Sox probably shouldn't have been as close to pulling this one off.

Joist

by Joist on Mar 31, 2008 11:01 PM CDT   0 recs

I think you're jumping the gun

to say that Buehrle pitches abnormally worse vs. good teams. 1st of all let's clarify what we're talking about. Are we saying Buerhle pitches abnormally worse vs. good teams or good offenses? It doesn't make any sense that we should even be asking this question of teams with good pitching but mediocre hitting. So including the Angels in any discussion of someone struggling against good hitting is a complete red herring.

In the 2000's they have finished 4th, 11th, 7th, 7th, 8th, 4th, 12th, 7th in the AL in runs scored. The very definition of offensive mediocrity. Looking at Buerhle's era against them is simply not a valid test of how he does against "good" hitting.

Looking at the actual data. Last year Buerle did struggle in his one start against the yankees and in his 1 start against Boston. He posted an ERA of 4.64 vs. the 2nd highest run scoring team (Detroit). 4th highest scoring team Angels- 5.89 ERA. So he did struggle against "good hitting" last year. '06 he struggled against everybody.

'05 top offenses against Buehrle-
Boston- 6.23 ERA
Yanks- no starts against
Texas- 2.51 ERA
Cleveland- 2.46 ERA.

'04 - 3.63 overall
Boston- 6.23
Yankees- 7.20
Texas- 1.13
Cleveland -4.37

'03
Boston-2.08
Toronto- 5.68
Yankees- 2.57
KC- 3.90

My conclusion would be that since '03 he has struggled mightily against the Yankees and Boston. And he did struggle against "good hitting teams" last year. But I don't see any evidence that he has had career struggles against non Yankee RedSox teams. Were his struggles against other good hitting teams last year just a blip on the map or a new trend? I don't know, but there certainly is not enough data to make a blanket statement that he can't pitch well against good hitting teams. Although if you limited "good hitting teams" to only the Yankees and Red Sox you may have a good argument.

by bhoov on Mar 31, 2008 11:12 PM CDT   0 recs

JRE, rhythm, or other Bay Area Sox fans

I've got a couple of tickets for the Saturday, May 17th game at AT&T park in section 109 (about even with the pitcher's mound on 1st base/White Sox dugout side). I'm sure tickets will be easy to come by, but I can't go and thought I'd offer them up here first in case you don't want to go through the hassle of getting them elsewhere.

Well, Kenny, I have to hand it to you. It's the best mindfuck yet.

by Toonderstrook on Mar 31, 2008 11:35 PM CDT   0 recs

I would be interested in the tickets

how much are they going for?

my friend claims he is getting all three games through his work but it never hurts to explore other options.

by The Scoper on Apr 1, 2008 11:33 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

$84 for both.

Well, Kenny, I have to hand it to you. It's the best mindfuck yet.

by Toonderstrook on Apr 1, 2008 11:35 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

i'll check with friend...

and get back to you. in the meantime, no need to hold on to them waiting for me if you have another taker.

thanks :)

by The Scoper on Apr 1, 2008 11:44 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I can take those off your hands

BTW, did we ever reach a consensus on when and where to have a SSS meet-up?

Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.

by rhythm on Apr 1, 2008 2:13 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't think we did. And I have the tickets in hand so whenever works we should meet up. Maybe a dual purpose

SSS/ticket swap meet-up.

Well, Kenny, I have to hand it to you. It's the best mindfuck yet.

by Toonderstrook on Apr 1, 2008 2:22 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Hmm...sounds like a plan

Also, in the event we can't get our collective schedules to mesh, I could meet you at Cato's or any of a number of fine Oakland watering holes.

Have you been to the Uptown or to the Stork Club yet? Sweet places to check out bands. Sometimes the bands are even good! Stork club also has a few pinball machines.

Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.

by rhythm on Apr 1, 2008 2:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

i've actually not been to either.

if i'm drinking in the east bay we usually end up at cato's or mallard.

Well, Kenny, I have to hand it to you. It's the best mindfuck yet.

by Toonderstrook on Apr 1, 2008 3:07 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

This is kind of bothering me...

Where would YOU GUYS put Profundo, Cuban Missile, BA, Quentin, and JO?

I don't think the missile is quite ready. Swisher shouldn't be playing center, Quentin should be playing, JO should be on the bench. Does that leave the sox with BA as the best option right now? Hell, BA can strike out three times a game and hit a double, but at least his defense is stellar. Should the sox put Swisher in center in smaller parks, with Quentin in left; and BA in center with Swisher in left otherwise? Maybe that's the best plan.

fratdaddy.blogspot.com

by Raf on Mar 31, 2008 11:38 PM CDT   0 recs

The more popular lineups

seem to be those which would be a downgrade defensively.

I think we're all just aching for our wholesale changes that should have come last June/July... I think most of us would be happy with Uribe and Crede being gone, and Fields, Anderson/Quentin, and Ramirez/Richar picking up the at-bats.

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Mar 31, 2008 11:48 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

From an "excitement" or "fan" point of view...

I'd like to see (taking a stick from SSH for a moment):

CF Swisher
SS Cabrera
DH Thome
1B Konerko
RF Dye
3B Fields
C Pierzynski
LF Quentin
2B Ramirez

As Cheat mentions, though, my lineup above is pretty bad defensively, and I'm not sure that I want Ramirez at second (to be quite honest, I'm not sure what I want to see the Sox do with Ramirez. Part of me wants to see him struggle and try and make adjustments up here while part of me wants to let him 'ease in' a bit more at Charlotte with more of an eye on 2009 so he can take over as the team's starting SS)

I just know that the bottom four as currently constructed -- Ramirez, Pierzynski, Crede and Uribe (was that the order they were in today) -- are most likely going to bog down the lineup. We're looking at a collective OBP that will likely be around .290.

by CWSKeith on Apr 1, 2008 12:20 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

you'd rather cabrera 2nd and quentin 8th? if so, why?

Well, Kenny, I have to hand it to you. It's the best mindfuck yet.

by Toonderstrook on Apr 1, 2008 12:25 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think young guys

need a bit of time to prove they can actually get on base and deserve a spot at the top.. I'd start him near the bottom as well...For myself Fields would flop between 2 and 7 depending on pitcher handedness

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Apr 1, 2008 12:28 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm not gonna bother moving Cabrera out of the two hole

That won't happen in his time here -- he's been pegged as the best-est two hole hitter, a guy who handles the bat like none other (except Erstad*.... I think), so that's why I have him there.

Then again, my lineup is a hypothetical one in the first place so I probably should've just went all the way with it and went with whoever in the two spot. I guess I'd have some sort of rotation between Fields, OC and Quentin in the two spot depending on handedness of pitcher and type of pitcher (as Cheat mentioned). If I had more faith in Quentin I'd easily pencil him in at #2 but as of yet I don't.

*Speaking of Erstad, I hope some of you tuned in to the Padres/Astros game tonight to see the bevy of former White Sox players -- Blum! Erstad! (Batting back-to-back, no less.) And Iguchi was rockin' for San Diego -- 3-for-5 with a pair of doubles.

by CWSKeith on Apr 1, 2008 12:39 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

cabrera

is also far more likely to do things like score from first on a double than probably anyone else in that lineup. while i'm not a huge fan of him hitting second for other reasons he will make some of that back by being a better baserunner.

the law of conservation of masset: no matter how much masset you use up, there is always masset in your system.

by larry on Apr 1, 2008 9:19 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Baserunning is a secondary skill

That's not a reason to be batting 2nd.

From what I saw yesterday, he looks like Erstad redux. An over the hill guy that KW had his eye on for a long time and now here he is.

It's only one game but:

In the 2nd inning, that first grounder to his left he got a really bad break and a 3-hopper got through the infield. Then the next ball went right through his wickets and he fell on his ass. Then the next batter a grounder right to him that he was slow getting out of his glove (Ok, Uribe might have been late getting to the bag) so they only got one out instead of the DP. Then he made a nice diving stop in the hole on a soft liner a couple innings later, but even after planting he had absolutely nothing on the throw to first and it took a huge hop to shoulder level and PK couldn't handle it. Then in the 8th on the relay after Blake's double he had nothing on the throw from the cut of the grass on the IF and threw another weak one-hopper offline to home plate.

Batting he had bases loaded none out in a critical situation and swung through 2 hittable fastballs before dribbling to SS. Peralta should have had an easy force out on Crede, but made a horrible throw to make it a close play. Then he's on first on the fielder's choice, and makes a really bush league play trying to tackle the SS and gets called out on interference.

It's only one game, but it just looks like we have another "real ballplayer" past his prime. He didn't look like a very good SS yesterday, his arm is of great concern. He doesn't look particularly quick at SS either, so he can't compensate. I'd cut him some slack , but after shooting him off his mouth this spring that he's the new clubhouse boss and the new sheriff in town, he better start backing it up real fast and up his game. He's the Fucking New Guy with the big mouth, and if he has a few more games like this he's going to lose respect in the clubhouse and that will not be a good situation. I also noticed that Gonzalez said in his article this morning the our field general snuck out of the locker room after the game - pretty low class, take some responsibility Mr. Field General. Your blunders led to a 7-run inning, at least Buehrle was man enough to fall on the grenade and take the blame for that fiasco.

by ChicagoPete on Apr 1, 2008 9:37 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs