Game 12: White Sox (7-4) vs. A's (8-5)
by The Wizard on Apr 14, 2008 6:00 PM CDT
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PrintOakland Athletics at Chicago White Sox, Apr 14, 2008 7:11 PM CDT
Mark Buehrle (LHP) vs. Greg Smith (LHP)
Time: 7:11 p.m. CT, TV: CSN, Radio: WSCR AM-670 (B-R preview, Live Boxscore; 2007 MLB Gameday; 2008 MLB Gameday)
GO SOX!
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It'll be interesting...
to see how the Sox offense handles this guy - a fringy lefty they haven't seen before.
If they score more than two runs off this guy, that'll be a sign that things have changed.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Apr 14, 2008 6:03 PM CDT reply actions
the 5 BB he's given up are encouraging
But I agree with your drift.
Skanberg, if I wanted to hear your opinion, I would have brainwashed you by now-
Don Guillote
A's DFA Fernando Hernandez
[SFC]:
Saarloos back, Hernandez outFrom Chronicle Staff Writer Susan Slusser in Chicago
The A's kept Rule-5 draftee Jay Marshall all last year, but this year's Rule-5 pick, reliever Fernando Hernandez, didn't last the first month.
Hernandez had two rough outings on this trip, including allowing four runs at Cleveland on Sunday, and with the A's needing more depth in the bullpen, the right-hander was designated for assignment today and right-hander Kirk Saarloos was called up. Saarloos, a former 10-game winner for the A's and a clubhouse favorite, will be the long man for now.
Hernandez must go through waivers and if he clears, he must be offered back to the White Sox, and they can take him back for $25,000 if they choose. A's assistant GM David Forst said if Hernandez clears waivers, Oakland will have some talks with the White Sox, which means the team might be open to swinging a deal with Chicago to keep Hernandez.
What happens if he's claimed by another team?
Do the Sox get $ from team X? Does team X have to keep Hernandez on the major league roster?
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.
They have to pay Oakland
And yes, he has to stay on the roster all year or be offered back to the Sox through the same process
AIM: SouthSideCheat
Nice start with several players doing well
this game will be a good test I pray Buerhle is excellent tonight.
Thome is a good enough hitter with bat contol
to learn to hit the ball to left-field, particularly when a shift is on. I did not see a shift on that at-bat however. But the thought is valid I believe.
no. Was just going to say the same.
we'd be down 1-0
Skanberg, if I wanted to hear your opinion, I would have brainwashed you by now-
Don Guillote
Joe is playing super
Josh is also playing much better in the minors.
how do you know? He's hitting,
but how do you know how he's playing?
Skanberg, if I wanted to hear your opinion, I would have brainwashed you by now-
Don Guillote
yes. Good d by Crede.
Skanberg, if I wanted to hear your opinion, I would have brainwashed you by now-
Don Guillote
Hawk: You know who was a sandbagger? Yaz
DJ: Oh really? (vomits into garbage pail in booth)
''It's a grinder-type attitude, energetic attitude, confident-type attitude, and if it grinds on some people, then I need to know who those people are so we can move them on''
Hawk is alive and well on CSN
''It's a grinder-type attitude, energetic attitude, confident-type attitude, and if it grinds on some people, then I need to know who those people are so we can move them on''
Luuuuuuck, be a lady toniiiiiiiiiiiight
''It's a grinder-type attitude, energetic attitude, confident-type attitude, and if it grinds on some people, then I need to know who those people are so we can move them on''
You know who else was lucky?....Yaz
''It's a grinder-type attitude, energetic attitude, confident-type attitude, and if it grinds on some people, then I need to know who those people are so we can move them on''
any of you guys use the mosaic?
i couldnt figure out how to specify which game was where.
mlb.tv is pretty weak.
el birdos 'gus' stole my handle!
Odd inning
Isn't this kind of stuff usually what happens against *us* when we play Oakland? For once we get the benefit...
Nope
Hawk jinxed him, said clutch guys like Joe win MVPs.
''It's a grinder-type attitude, energetic attitude, confident-type attitude, and if it grinds on some people, then I need to know who those people are so we can move them on''
Jim Margolis of Sox Machine
gives daily updates of the Sox minor league teams. Fields started poorly but went 4/4 two days ago and 2/3 or so yesterday. Owens was o/8 after two games. Last year Baseball Reference had the daily stats but I have not checked them this year.
Looks like vintage Buehrle tonite
Working really fast. 2 1/2 innings in 33 minutes so far.
''It's a grinder-type attitude, energetic attitude, confident-type attitude, and if it grinds on some people, then I need to know who those people are so we can move them on''
Good thing Swish is under a 5yr contract
He's giving up a lot of RBIs batting leadoff behind Uribe's sub-.300 OBP, other sluggers would be beefing about that.
''It's a grinder-type attitude, energetic attitude, confident-type attitude, and if it grinds on some people, then I need to know who those people are so we can move them on''
Fields fielding has not been mentioned by Sox Machine
and I do not know where to get the data, do you?
These guys obviously aren't grinding hard enough, time to rev up the SB machine
''It's a grinder-type attitude, energetic attitude, confident-type attitude, and if it grinds on some people, then I need to know who those people are so we can move them on''
Pressure does that you know
''It's a grinder-type attitude, energetic attitude, confident-type attitude, and if it grinds on some people, then I need to know who those people are so we can move them on''
Swisher feeling pressure from Owens imminent callup
He felt the need to show his speed.
Pitching and defense.
augh, what the hell,
mlbtv? i wish i'd never paid for this garbage. it's been nothing but a disaster. i shelled out 20 bucks for premium streaming this month, and it hasn't worked properly once.
yeah, it's feast or famine for me
It either looks great and works perfect, or disaster like tonight.
WTF shaftr?
C'mon, you were the guy posting glorious video stills this morning - now you're trashing this stuff? I'm confused.
''It's a grinder-type attitude, energetic attitude, confident-type attitude, and if it grinds on some people, then I need to know who those people are so we can move them on''
Get used to it - you're getting married soon
''It's a grinder-type attitude, energetic attitude, confident-type attitude, and if it grinds on some people, then I need to know who those people are so we can move them on''
I had a similar experience a few years ago
I wish they'd get their act together (and maybe charge a fair price - yeah right). Might do Mlb radio, but not video again.
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.
Let's turn 2, c'mon Mark
''It's a grinder-type attitude, energetic attitude, confident-type attitude, and if it grinds on some people, then I need to know who those people are so we can move them on''
Not quite
''It's a grinder-type attitude, energetic attitude, confident-type attitude, and if it grinds on some people, then I need to know who those people are so we can move them on''
There we go, better late than never
''It's a grinder-type attitude, energetic attitude, confident-type attitude, and if it grinds on some people, then I need to know who those people are so we can move them on''
Word's out on the street
This nothing punk was coming right after Thomer with his fastball, nothing cute till he finished him off with the breaking ball.
''It's a grinder-type attitude, energetic attitude, confident-type attitude, and if it grinds on some people, then I need to know who those people are so we can move them on''
Everybody's coming right at him with fastballs
That's why he's not drawing any walks. He's got to start punishing this stuff.
''It's a grinder-type attitude, energetic attitude, confident-type attitude, and if it grinds on some people, then I need to know who those people are so we can move them on''
At least the Dos Equis ads are back this year
''It's a grinder-type attitude, energetic attitude, confident-type attitude, and if it grinds on some people, then I need to know who those people are so we can move them on''
Nice play Juan
''It's a grinder-type attitude, energetic attitude, confident-type attitude, and if it grinds on some people, then I need to know who those people are so we can move them on''
86mph fastball from this punk, can't do anything with him
''It's a grinder-type attitude, energetic attitude, confident-type attitude, and if it grinds on some people, then I need to know who those people are so we can move them on''
Well, these are the kinds of games a good team pulls out
In 2005 we'd just hang close and then pounce when the other team made a mistake - let them beat themselves.
''It's a grinder-type attitude, energetic attitude, confident-type attitude, and if it grinds on some people, then I need to know who those people are so we can move them on''
HOw were those ball's to crosby looking
Gameday looks like they should have been strikes
Lurking since 2006
Hawk wasn't whining, if that's any indication
''It's a grinder-type attitude, energetic attitude, confident-type attitude, and if it grinds on some people, then I need to know who those people are so we can move them on''
Guess gameday
was being a little screwy.called a pitch like a foot off the plate a called strke later.
Lurking since 2006
by boyonthedock on Apr 14, 2008 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions
We need to get to this starter next inning
Oakland's got a bunch of guys I've never heard of in the bullpen with 0.00 ERA's waiting to come in.
''It's a grinder-type attitude, energetic attitude, confident-type attitude, and if it grinds on some people, then I need to know who those people are so we can move them on''
Rich Harden
Is not that special. What's Hawk and DJ talking about
I'm a disgruntled Whitesox fan and I can't spell
Yeah, I was telling the tv to shut up.
Why would they talk about him for the entire inning? GAH.
Out-underacheiving the other guy.
by defensive indifference on Apr 14, 2008 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions
BoSux/Injuns on ESPN here
How can the BoSux be scary with Sean Casey at 1B? Who threw him out at 1B from LF last year at the Cell?
I took the "under".
if my memory is correct
it was pablo ozuna. I loved that play.
Lurking since 2006
by boyonthedock on Apr 14, 2008 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Something has to happen tonight.
Crazy things always happen on half-price Monday!
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by defensive indifference on Apr 14, 2008 8:35 PM CDT reply actions
Oakland is annoying
They completely back up the truck and get rid of EVERYBODY. And here they are, 8-5 with a 3.53 team ERA and a total lockdown bullpen.
''It's a grinder-type attitude, energetic attitude, confident-type attitude, and if it grinds on some people, then I need to know who those people are so we can move them on''
Yeah, and we're shocked that we're competing with a $120mm payroll
''It's a grinder-type attitude, energetic attitude, confident-type attitude, and if it grinds on some people, then I need to know who those people are so we can move them on''
I know, I never heard of any of their guys either - just like ours last year
''It's a grinder-type attitude, energetic attitude, confident-type attitude, and if it grinds on some people, then I need to know who those people are so we can move them on''
Yeah I suppose it isn't exactly the same thing
Unknown bullpen pitcher for the A's > Unknown bullpen pitcher for the Sox
What kills me is they have no designs at all about competing this year
But here they are.
''It's a grinder-type attitude, energetic attitude, confident-type attitude, and if it grinds on some people, then I need to know who those people are so we can move them on''
Their offense is a joke, they're not going to do anything with that
But it looks like they have a pitching staff that can keep them in games.
''It's a grinder-type attitude, energetic attitude, confident-type attitude, and if it grinds on some people, then I need to know who those people are so we can move them on''
'59 Sox had no offense.
'62 Dodgers (?). Pitching wins championships. Or at least keeps it close.
I took the "under".
You could win games in that era scoring 3 runs a game
Not nowadays, this is a completely new age of baseball my man. The quality of baseball nowadays is phenomenal compared to the past.
''It's a grinder-type attitude, energetic attitude, confident-type attitude, and if it grinds on some people, then I need to know who those people are so we can move them on''
C'mon OCab, we need something
''It's a grinder-type attitude, energetic attitude, confident-type attitude, and if it grinds on some people, then I need to know who those people are so we can move them on''
Same old White Sox
Getting shutdown by some no name lefty.
I know - didn't even look close
Surprised they didn't argue
''It's a grinder-type attitude, energetic attitude, confident-type attitude, and if it grinds on some people, then I need to know who those people are so we can move them on''
when the oak guy got the ball in his glove, swish hadn't touch the bag
but by the time he swung his hand to tag swish, swish touched the bag
I think....
That's 1
''It's a grinder-type attitude, energetic attitude, confident-type attitude, and if it grinds on some people, then I need to know who those people are so we can move them on''
The only guy who ever really hustled - Bert Campaneris
''It's a grinder-type attitude, energetic attitude, confident-type attitude, and if it grinds on some people, then I need to know who those people are so we can move them on''
C'mon Paulie, we need something here
''It's a grinder-type attitude, energetic attitude, confident-type attitude, and if it grinds on some people, then I need to know who those people are so we can move them on''
sneaky fast
''It's a grinder-type attitude, energetic attitude, confident-type attitude, and if it grinds on some people, then I need to know who those people are so we can move them on''
looks like beuhrle
put on his strikeout pants this inning
Lurking since 2006
by boyonthedock on Apr 14, 2008 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Joe Crede!
''It's a grinder-type attitude, energetic attitude, confident-type attitude, and if it grinds on some people, then I need to know who those people are so we can move them on''
dive to the right on hard grounder
Gets back up, throws him out. Joe Crede!
''It's a grinder-type attitude, energetic attitude, confident-type attitude, and if it grinds on some people, then I need to know who those people are so we can move them on''
I think i've seen that enough
to recreate a pretty accurate replay in my mind.
Lurking since 2006
by boyonthedock on Apr 14, 2008 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep, vintage Joe - he looks right at home again
''It's a grinder-type attitude, energetic attitude, confident-type attitude, and if it grinds on some people, then I need to know who those people are so we can move them on''
I bet he's enjoying himself because this, and many other sites,
having to (this far) eat shit because of his performance.
I took the "under".
Crede....YES.
Where is your Josh Fields now?
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by defensive indifference on Apr 14, 2008 8:49 PM CDT reply actions
Yes.
Healthy Joe Crede mancrush.
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by defensive indifference on Apr 14, 2008 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Ok... I've determined if Crede signs outside of the Central or Cubs...
I will be forced to at least half-assedly cheer for that team
I've never been able to cheer for the Giants
then again, I've been living in Oakland since I've been out here. Do you live in SF?
I do like the fact that I'll get to see Rowand play, when I feel the urge to venture to Old Navy park.
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.
I was actually something of a Giants fan in my youth
My dad liked them so I did, one of those things. I actually went as Will the Thrill for Halloween when i was 6
Liked the Gi-unts when the Say Hey Kid patrolled CF
LOVED Willie McCovey.
However, when Marichal axed Roseboro with a bat my ardor for the Giants faded.
I took the "under".
you're on record
i like it when stuff like that is right
Lurking since 2006
by boyonthedock on Apr 14, 2008 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions
as it so ften happens...
Lurking since 2006
by boyonthedock on Apr 14, 2008 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions
He's not going anywhere, what's he doing getting picked off
Those kinds of mistakes lose games.
''It's a grinder-type attitude, energetic attitude, confident-type attitude, and if it grinds on some people, then I need to know who those people are so we can move them on''
shit
''It's a grinder-type attitude, energetic attitude, confident-type attitude, and if it grinds on some people, then I need to know who those people are so we can move them on''
Balk?
I thought his move on Swisher was definitely a balk. That one not so sure.
I'd complain about that move...
but it works for Buehrle.
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by defensive indifference on Apr 14, 2008 8:55 PM CDT reply actions
Buehrle's deceptive
but he definitely keeps his stride more towards 1st than home... That didn't appear to be the case there.. (Though admittedly we didn't have a good angle)
AIM: SouthSideCheat
I agree.
That looked like bullshit on the replay.
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by defensive indifference on Apr 14, 2008 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Sox must have read SSS
and said "we're going to show them our speed tool."
Pitching and defense.
Not the DS again!
Jesus, guys.
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by defensive indifference on Apr 14, 2008 8:56 PM CDT reply actions
You know, Yaz was the first guy to use one of those
''It's a grinder-type attitude, energetic attitude, confident-type attitude, and if it grinds on some people, then I need to know who those people are so we can move them on''
lol
Every single thing that happens in a game now has to be compared by Hawk to someone in the 60s. Nothing passes without some stupid flashback.
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by defensive indifference on Apr 14, 2008 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions
It's like the 70s, 80s and 90s never happened
He must have just been on one long, hard bender through those decades. He can't recall a thing after the 60s.
''It's a grinder-type attitude, energetic attitude, confident-type attitude, and if it grinds on some people, then I need to know who those people are so we can move them on''
Alright, it's Crede-thirty.
Let's do this.
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by defensive indifference on Apr 14, 2008 8:57 PM CDT reply actions
That pickoff was brutal
Should've scored that inning
''It's a grinder-type attitude, energetic attitude, confident-type attitude, and if it grinds on some people, then I need to know who those people are so we can move them on''
Stone's talking about
what a great pickoff move Smith has. HTF can we get picked twice?
Pitching and defense.
Not like we're going to steal.
Pitching and defense.
I can see Swish getting picked off
We'd never seen that move before. JD should've been on his toes after seeing that happened. He got picked off going for his friggin secondary lead, I don't care how good his move is - that's inexcusable.
''It's a grinder-type attitude, energetic attitude, confident-type attitude, and if it grinds on some people, then I need to know who those people are so we can move them on''
The guy's got a great move, he already showed you that
Make sure he throws the damn ball to home plate before you take your break off the bag.
''It's a grinder-type attitude, energetic attitude, confident-type attitude, and if it grinds on some people, then I need to know who those people are so we can move them on''
I blame that swine - I do!
A true field general would've been preparing the troops better, warning them about that dangerous pickoff move.
''It's a grinder-type attitude, energetic attitude, confident-type attitude, and if it grinds on some people, then I need to know who those people are so we can move them on''
Dotel 'em!
Looked bad at the start.
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by defensive indifference on Apr 14, 2008 9:09 PM CDT reply actions
this is an amazing game in detroit
pudge with a ballsy tag from third on young.
somewhere in arizona, jerry owens silently weeps.
extra innings
they are nailing neshek. nearly everybody is hitting and they look good. and it all started back in the fifth (or sixth?) with a sheffield piece o crap hit to 3B that they couldn't make a play on.
somewhere in arizona, jerry owens silently weeps.
R. Betancourt just gave up Youkalis' dong
Doesn't look as sharp as last year, either.
I took the "under".
Show 'em the homer hands, Juany.
Or...get on base, at least.
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by defensive indifference on Apr 14, 2008 9:10 PM CDT reply actions
When Juan loses his cannon.
When Ramirez learns to hit and field. When Richar...I don't know what's up with him.
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by defensive indifference on Apr 14, 2008 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions
get
''It's a grinder-type attitude, energetic attitude, confident-type attitude, and if it grinds on some people, then I need to know who those people are so we can move them on''
's his visa
''It's a grinder-type attitude, energetic attitude, confident-type attitude, and if it grinds on some people, then I need to know who those people are so we can move them on''
I was close to saying that.
Couldn't pull the trigger.
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by defensive indifference on Apr 14, 2008 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Look, I'm the one drinking wine tonight..
I just didn't want to blame him for the visa. He fudged up.
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by defensive indifference on Apr 14, 2008 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Ha! I knew I had to get it in quick
that's why I slipped and had to enter twice
''It's a grinder-type attitude, energetic attitude, confident-type attitude, and if it grinds on some people, then I need to know who those people are so we can move them on''
Rays Yanks
Also a good one. Yankees in a laugher until 3 HR's and 5 runs in the 7th for the Rays. Then Cano pinch hits for a HR in the 8th. 8-7 Yankees now.
Is that Spanish for Aardsma?
''It's a grinder-type attitude, energetic attitude, confident-type attitude, and if it grinds on some people, then I need to know who those people are so we can move them on''
Boone lost the chin curtain.
Whoa.
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by defensive indifference on Apr 14, 2008 9:13 PM CDT reply actions
aargh!
''It's a grinder-type attitude, energetic attitude, confident-type attitude, and if it grinds on some people, then I need to know who those people are so we can move them on''
"HE LOOKS UP....
YOU CAN....DAGGUMIT."
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by defensive indifference on Apr 14, 2008 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Hawk Longstreet, TV Detective
''It's a grinder-type attitude, energetic attitude, confident-type attitude, and if it grinds on some people, then I need to know who those people are so we can move them on''
wow
Hawk just ejaculated all over a Swisher warning track shot. I'm sure the A's fans watching on MLB.tv are LOLing.
It would be nice to have Fields on the bench
for just this moment.
Pitching and defense.
what, so they can send a righty out against fields?
somewhere in arizona, jerry owens silently weeps.
Blasphemy!
''It's a grinder-type attitude, energetic attitude, confident-type attitude, and if it grinds on some people, then I need to know who those people are so we can move them on''
and then the As put in a right-handed pitcher and the result is the same
having fields on the bench is silly unless you want to get a lefty out of the game.
somewhere in arizona, jerry owens silently weeps.
Such expert analysis from the booth
"Embree throws about 80-85% fastballs, so you know what you're going to get"
/4 straight breaking balls for the strikeout
AIM: SouthSideCheat
Does anyone have a comparison...
to what Stoney said about him?
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by defensive indifference on Apr 14, 2008 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions
They're totally messing with Thome's head
The punk with the 86mph fastball was coming right down the pipe on him, then Embree comes in with all breaking balls.
''It's a grinder-type attitude, energetic attitude, confident-type attitude, and if it grinds on some people, then I need to know who those people are so we can move them on''
In their defense....
Embree threw about 87% fastballs last year (according to FanGraphs)
AIM: SouthSideCheat
He did the unenthusiatic "oh really" with the unseen eye-roll earlier to the first Yaz reference of the night
''It's a grinder-type attitude, energetic attitude, confident-type attitude, and if it grinds on some people, then I need to know who those people are so we can move them on''
Slick fielding gold glover
''It's a grinder-type attitude, energetic attitude, confident-type attitude, and if it grinds on some people, then I need to know who those people are so we can move them on''
Shooting fish in a bucket, he's making it too easy for me
''It's a grinder-type attitude, energetic attitude, confident-type attitude, and if it grinds on some people, then I need to know who those people are so we can move them on''
i'd forgotten your reference point for SS was ozzie smith
amusing how both fielding metrics and i disagree with your crack analysis.
somewhere in arizona, jerry owens silently weeps.
When you see someone play every day with your own eyes you don't need fielding metrics
''It's a grinder-type attitude, energetic attitude, confident-type attitude, and if it grinds on some people, then I need to know who those people are so we can move them on''
You seem to be the only one on this board impressed with him
''It's a grinder-type attitude, energetic attitude, confident-type attitude, and if it grinds on some people, then I need to know who those people are so we can move them on''
maybe i'm smarter than everyone?
can't say that ever really bothered me.
somewhere in arizona, jerry owens silently weeps.
*rolls eyes*
''It's a grinder-type attitude, energetic attitude, confident-type attitude, and if it grinds on some people, then I need to know who those people are so we can move them on''
He hasn't...
Impressed me at all this year w/ the glove or the bat. Hopefully just a slow start.
Farmer:
"MacDougal in '05 was the Royals Pitcher of the Year."
Pitching and defense.
Do we really need to build MacDougal's confidence tonight?
Can't it wait for some other time
''It's a grinder-type attitude, energetic attitude, confident-type attitude, and if it grinds on some people, then I need to know who those people are so we can move them on''
Mike Timlin has 4 WS rings
Somewhere Ernie Banks is grimacing. I mean, Mike effin' Timlen!
I took the "under".
So Suzuki has a four-hit night...
...and Cheat hasn't mentioned Donny Lucy once? I don't feel like I know you anymore.
And booing MacDougal. That's going to help.
The last two looked good to me.
Bad luck there.
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by defensive indifference on Apr 14, 2008 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Walks a guy with a .542 OPS.
Pitching and defense.
Ah yes...
the new Mikey Mack... same as the old mikey mack.
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."
how quickly...
...we descend into the muck of season's past. It always feels like this team is coming apart, no matter how good they appear.
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