Game 13: White Sox (7-5) vs. A's (9-5)
Oakland Athletics at Chicago White Sox, Apr 15, 2008 1:05 PM CDT
John Danks (LHP) vs. Dana Eveland (LHP)
Time: 1:05 p.m. CT, TV: CSN, Radio: WSCR AM-670 (B-R preview, Live Boxscore; 2007 MLB Gameday; 2008 MLB Gameday)
GO SOX!
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Happy Sunday!
Skanberg, if I wanted to hear your opinion, I would have brainwashed you by now-
Don Guillote
Yeesh
''It's a grinder-type attitude, energetic attitude, confident-type attitude, and if it grinds on some people, then I need to know who those people are so we can move them on''
I saw the comments first
and as I was reading the lineup I was wondering what the Sunday and the yeesh were about and then, well, we’ll just say that if the bottom three combine for say 2 trips on base, I’ll be happy
-Jeeves Life in the Cell
the lineup may look brutal,
but AJ definitely needs a day off with no off day until next monday, and what better day than against a lefty strikeout pitcher; thome could use the day off against that same left-hander.
Somebody's shoved a red-hot poker up our ass, and I want to know whose name is on the handle!
by Toonderstrook on Apr 15, 2008 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah, can't say i have a real problem with the lineup
probably would flip q and crede but crede has had a hot bat so can’t really complain too much. it’s not like last night’s lineup produced much, either. if you’re gonna start ramirez and ozuna, eveland is certainly a guy to do it against.
somewhere in arizona, jerry owens silently weeps.
The lineup
looks fine considering the pitcher, the schedule, etc. I’m certainly happy to see Thome getting a little rest.
I'd have probably put Anderson in there...
somewhere, but this is fine by me, really.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Apr 15, 2008 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
weren't you just saying
that you wanted them to do something with alexei?
somewhere in arizona, jerry owens silently weeps.
Sure...
but that doesn’t preclude Brian Anderson from being in the lineup.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Apr 15, 2008 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
for whom?
so we can make the lineup even less potent by replacing JD or quentin? you get one or the other, not both.
somewhere in arizona, jerry owens silently weeps.
Can't Ramirez play second?
I don’t particularly see the need to play Pablo Ozuna.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Apr 15, 2008 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
pablo at least will hit a lefty sometimes
let me know when brian does.
somewhere in arizona, jerry owens silently weeps.
I didn't know...
you cared so much about getting Ozuna ABs.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Apr 15, 2008 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
i don't. not sure where you're getting that from.
we’re talking ozuna or anderson against a lefty. the choice is pretty stark.
somewhere in arizona, jerry owens silently weeps.
Well...
if we’re benching the guy with the worst numbers against lefties, the choice is obviously Carlos Quentin, who’s been pretty awful.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Apr 15, 2008 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
obviously, eh
except which of brian or carlos is better against them? oops. and on a unsustainably low BABIP, too.
somewhere in arizona, jerry owens silently weeps.
Meh.
Six of one, half-dozen of the other.
And Anderson has more defensive value than either Ozuna or Quentin.
But it’s beside the point – I don’t see the need to have Pablo Ozuna on the roster, much less in the starting lineup. He’s really not good at any aspect of the game.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Apr 15, 2008 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Uh, hello?
He’s the sparkplug.
The secret weapon.
The… um…
by ReservoirDog on Apr 15, 2008 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Nothing wrong with that lineup.
Yesterday? Different story. Ozzie HAS TO GROW SOME BALLS where Thome is concerned. That situation will cost us more than a game or two if he continues playing him against lefthanders. I think it is a real lithmus test for him-- a real statement about the man’s integrity insofar as his image as an independent thinker who doesn’t allow politics or other dynamics to guide his thinking about how to run his team——especially when there is no defensible rational…..as is the case with Thome.
benching thome for two straight games
doesn’t seem like a particularly good idea.
somewhere in arizona, jerry owens silently weeps.
Why not?
I understand where you’re coming from…...but Thome will get his 500 plate appearances one way or another. So, this time he coincidentally misses two straight STARTS. hE COULD VERY WELL WRACK UP TWO PLATE APPEARANCES ANYWAY….IN SITUATIONS WHERE IT MAKES SENSE AND HE CAN MAKE A DIFFEERENCE IN A LATE-GAME SITUATION.
you're the one who said there was no defensible rationale
there it is. i’m not particularly concerned about him getting a certain number of plate appearances in a season. i am concerned about fucking with the routine of a player. two straight days without live pitching isn’t a good idea.
somewhere in arizona, jerry owens silently weeps.
iT'LL
likely happen three or four times in a year. The only difference in routine is…well, practically nothing. He should prepare just the way he always does…as though he’ll bat in his regular turn….or whatever. That is a very weak argument…..really weak.
Can't Ozzie find the AB for him in a pinch hitting role late in the game once the starter's been chased?
"I'll bring the awesome." -The 'Swish'
well
his routine really isn’t working to well now so maybe two days would be a good idea…
by ozziesmallballs on Apr 15, 2008 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions
not doing something for a while usually isn't a great way to improve on doing that something
somewhere in arizona, jerry owens silently weeps.
THANKS FOR USING CAPS LOCK
it made me not read your post
by whitesoxmatt on Apr 15, 2008 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
maybe he just CANT CONTROL THE VOLUME OF HIS VOICE
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
What do you call a manager who doesn't allow politics or other dynamics to influence his decision making?
Out of work
AIM: SouthSideCheat
no, i actually don't know what you mean
i’m not going to sit thome for two days. he doesn’t like that. it’s probably not good for him even if he doesn’t mind it. players like to play and, except for a precious few, tend to do better when they do play regularly. if they don’t want to play, there’s something wrong with them and they should retire. i’ve noted that his two worst months as a sox player in each season has, coincidentally, been june. i’m sure you can figure out what happens in baseball starting in late may and into june. whether there’s causation or not i see a hell of a lot of smoke. enough for me to say don’t mess with it.
somewhere in arizona, jerry owens silently weeps.
I like Thome. Alot.
He is crucial to this team’s success. HOWEVER: 1) His splits are so wildly one-sided over the last THREE years it justifies what I’m saying 2) O f course, I’m not naive enough to think you can avoid having to play politics….etc. I just think there are times when certain decisions are so vital to the won/loss column you have to take a stand….it just so happens that this one involves a manager whose public image is built on yadayadayada…..
there's a reason computers don't manage teams
this is one of them. and it’s not necessarily politics. intermittent playing time is not good for a player, especially one like thome who has never platooned probably in his entire life.
somewhere in arizona, jerry owens silently weeps.
It
wouldn’t be a strict platoon. And, he’s 38 years old and likely not what he once was. Slicing 150 nonproductive plate appearances is all I ask.
what are you talking about then?
if you don’t want him to face lefties two days in a row, that sounds like – you guessed it – a strict platoon.
somewhere in arizona, jerry owens silently weeps.
Call it what you want.
There are probably a few times I’d play him against lefties….oh, maybr 20% of the time…..and no higher than sixth in the lineup. I’m exhausted.
Maybe he'd feel better
not being “0 – X ” every time he started against a LHP?
Pitching and defense.
and maybe the "seamheads" on this site should use their brains for something other than reading stats
somewhere in arizona, jerry owens silently weeps.
Come on Larry,
look at his splits the last few years and tell me he should be starting against LHP.
Pitching and defense.
Jose couldn't struggle becaus of a divorce,
but Oh my God sit Thome against LHP and “the poor man has never platooned in his life!”
Pitching and defense.
totally different things
and you know it. this is the dumbest argument i’ve gotten into on here in a while. i thought i liked to use stats. people are running wild with it now.
somewhere in arizona, jerry owens silently weeps.
I like the lineup
Thome has a cold bat, Uribe still can barely hit. So the move of Ramirez and Ozuna is almost a wash right now.
Toby Hall is a major downgrade from AJ, but AJ needs the day off.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Apr 15, 2008 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Would rather
see BA out there in center instead of the missile, but that’s the only complaint. Gotta rest AJ sometimes. Come on KW, get this team a real (aka someone who can’t hit for shit but is good defensively or vice versa) backup catcher. Hall can’t do either.
thomer suspended for a game.
Somebody's shoved a red-hot poker up our ass, and I want to know whose name is on the handle!
perfect day for him to take his suspension day off today.
;-)
Somebody's shoved a red-hot poker up our ass, and I want to know whose name is on the handle!
by Toonderstrook on Apr 15, 2008 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
When does C. Quentin stop receiving a free pass?
Is he really that much better than JO?
YES he is!
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Apr 15, 2008 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Here is the simple formula
Quentin has talent.
Owens is fast.
by southsideirish71 on Apr 15, 2008 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Quentin
Also has a history of TEARING up the high minor leagues while Owens has a history of barely having an OPS over .700 in the minor leagues.
I know the Sox sucked last year...
but that’s not going to stop me from going to games this year. Where has everyone gone?
Out-underacheiving the other guy.
by defensive indifference on Apr 15, 2008 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions
The only time I've ever gone to April games is when I shared seasons
too damn cold
AIM: SouthSideCheat
I was going to take the afternoon off
and go to the game, but then I got stuck on the Blue Line this morning and was 2 hours late to work. So you can blame the CTA for at least one empty seat.
Ah, I stuck on the Blue Line too.
I got to work 1:15 late. What a headache.
Out-underacheiving the other guy.
by defensive indifference on Apr 15, 2008 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Or they're staying home to listen to Hawk talk about the Pioneers travelling out west
The mountains…
The deserts…
I love Conestoga Wagons
"I'll bring the awesome." -The 'Swish'
lol
I fire up MLB.tv and the first thing I hear is Hawk saying …”and you wonder, could I have crossed those deserts?”
Somehow I think the desert was a metaphor for segregated baseball
And Jackie Robinson was the party on that Oregon Trail.
Caulk that wagon!
"I'll bring the awesome." -The 'Swish'
ha
and Hawk references how pissed Beane is after the bloop single follows the CS. At least I think he was referencing that
haha
They have Jackie Robinson tribute with the background music Adult Swim Danger Doom album… LOL. I expected Meatwad to make his cameo.
Obvs the production guys are underground hip hop and adult swim fans!
ice on mah fingers and mah toes and I'm a Taurus
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
Cabrera...
picking things up with the bat. That’s nice to see.
I hope he proves me wrong.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Apr 15, 2008 1:23 PM CDT reply actions
Anytime Konerko wants to hit
Would be fine by me. This slow start crap every year is garbage. Maybe he should change his off season workout if April is going to be a wash every year.
by southsideirish71 on Apr 15, 2008 1:23 PM CDT reply actions
Struggle. Press. Struggle. Press.
Pitching and defense.
How many changes will he make
To his stance, swing, approach over the next 5 months.
by southsideirish71 on Apr 15, 2008 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
you're right.
that 1.073 OPS in april in ‘06 was a killer. so was the .814 in ‘05 and .918 in ‘04.
Somebody's shoved a red-hot poker up our ass, and I want to know whose name is on the handle!
by Toonderstrook on Apr 15, 2008 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions
pesky numbers get in the way of perception again.
Somebody's shoved a red-hot poker up our ass, and I want to know whose name is on the handle!
by Toonderstrook on Apr 15, 2008 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions
His traditional bad month...
is May, for whatever reason.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Apr 15, 2008 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions
yes, it is. doesn't help southsideirish71 here though.
Somebody's shoved a red-hot poker up our ass, and I want to know whose name is on the handle!
by Toonderstrook on Apr 15, 2008 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Though O-Cab probably could have applied the tag a bit lower.
Picking nits though.
"I'll bring the awesome." -The 'Swish'
WOW
sick play by the missile! Cuts off the gapper to right center, scoops it up, spins and fires to 2nd for the tag!
Pfft...
BA throws him out at first.
Out-underacheiving the other guy.
by defensive indifference on Apr 15, 2008 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Another covered wagon reference!
Hawk’s fording the river now.
Unfortunately, he shot too much meat and can’t carry it all back to the wagon.
"I'll bring the awesome." -The 'Swish'
A lot of people...
wish that Hawk would catch the smallpox already.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Apr 15, 2008 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions
He tried fording the river
but his fucking oxen died
by whitesoxmatt on Apr 15, 2008 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Someone just needs to teach him how to use emulators.
Or Email it to him, they do love EMail.
by Grinder in Training on Apr 15, 2008 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions
it's the easiest way to keep in touch with yaz.
Somebody's shoved a red-hot poker up our ass, and I want to know whose name is on the handle!
by Toonderstrook on Apr 15, 2008 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Do you think Thome should start against lefties?
J/K…I’ve moved on.
Out-underacheiving the other guy.
by defensive indifference on Apr 15, 2008 1:38 PM CDT reply actions
The missle needs ABs in AAA
This getting an AB every couple of weeks didnt work for the man of golden locks last year. It isnt going to work for Alexei.
by southsideirish71 on Apr 15, 2008 1:39 PM CDT reply actions
If Ozzie decides to replace our on base machine with speedy crap
For the sake of speed, he needs to go.
by southsideirish71 on Apr 15, 2008 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Its amazing
How a fast guy like Owens who cant stretch out a single into a double. The amount of XBH he has as a fast guy is sad. But then again, you cant turn a 47 foot full swinging grounder into a double that much.
by southsideirish71 on Apr 15, 2008 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Not that I disagree that Alexei needs to be sent to AAA for a spell
but if they do, that leaves only Ozuna as a back up infielder. Or am I missing somebody?
"I'll bring the awesome." -The 'Swish'
do we have a burning need for two backup infielders?
somewhere in arizona, jerry owens silently weeps.
Bring up Bourgeois
Until Richar is ready.
by southsideirish71 on Apr 15, 2008 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Then bring up Fields...
Have him backup 3B and DH….
by hitlesswonder on Apr 15, 2008 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think...
he’d see much playing time in that capacity. Thome is going to get at least 140-150 starts at DH, and Crede isn’t going anywhere. Fields would rot on the bench.
The guy to bring up, as suggested below, is someone like Bourgeois, who can play multiple positions.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Apr 15, 2008 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions
I wouldn't mind seeing the Frenchman
But I’m not sure Fields is going get much better in AAA. If the Sox actually had a good hitting coach I would think he’d be better off in the bigs even with fewer at-bats.
by hitlesswonder on Apr 15, 2008 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm just saying...
that Fields would sit, basically every day. There’s no room to play him anywhere as the roster is currently constructed. He’d be the backup to a third baseman who plays every day, and a fourth-string DH.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Apr 15, 2008 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Conceivably some first base too.
If only he could play some outfield.
"I'll bring the awesome." -The 'Swish'
he needs to play everyday
that’s what young players especially need. if he’s not going to do it here, he needs to do in AAA.
somewhere in arizona, jerry owens silently weeps.
I don't think there's any reason to worry
Jerry’ll get maybe 2 starts a week based on what we’ve seen from Q thus far.
AIM: SouthSideCheat
He's batting .222.
That’s sufficient for the vast majority.
Pitching and defense.
Then you put Anderson in there
There are options before you add crappy speedy players.
by southsideirish71 on Apr 15, 2008 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions
crappy defensive fourth outfielder or crappy speedy fourth outfielder
what a dilemma. which tool to choose.
somewhere in arizona, jerry owens silently weeps.
I have no problem with JO getting 250+ at-bats
He “earned” them with a decent finish in ‘07
AIM: SouthSideCheat
and is presently de-earning them with his ST and charlotte stint
somewhere in arizona, jerry owens silently weeps.
Well...
Owens was decent this spring, at least during the brief time he was healthy enough to play.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Apr 15, 2008 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions
unhealthy 27 year olds who OPS .700 don't belong on major league rosters
in any capacity.
somewhere in arizona, jerry owens silently weeps.
I could live...
with a .350/.350 line from Owens, not that I expect that from him.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Apr 15, 2008 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions
glad to hear you won't slit your wrists, jer
i worry sometimes.
somewhere in arizona, jerry owens silently weeps.
Is Danks keeping it up in the zone?
Gameday is showing all high strikes…
by ozziesmallballs on Apr 15, 2008 1:46 PM CDT reply actions
24 pitches thru 3 seems pretty productive too
Skanberg, if I wanted to hear your opinion, I would have brainwashed you by now-
Don Guillote
I mean efficient
Skanberg, if I wanted to hear your opinion, I would have brainwashed you by now-
Don Guillote
Effuctive?
Prodective?
Out-underacheiving the other guy.
by defensive indifference on Apr 15, 2008 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I want to see Danks get some Ks
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
As long as he's getting guys out
I couldn’t care less how he gets the job done.
I just want to see him get that ERA back down… preferably under 6.
"I'll bring the awesome." -The 'Swish'
That was humorous...
even on Gameday.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Apr 15, 2008 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Farmer and Stone
Chemistry really coming along, although I think they’ve had the giggles since Stone’s Eagle Eyes comment.
by Grinder in Training on Apr 15, 2008 1:54 PM CDT reply actions
After further review....
we’re all looking at a .500 team with lots of dead weight….fun…fun…fun…
I swear...
it wasn’t me who wrote this.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Apr 15, 2008 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe...
But Swisher, Quentin, Danks, and Floyd are young enough that if they do well they can provide a good basis going forward. Before the season is over, Fields and Ramirez will get at-bats too I think. The Sox still need to fill a bunch of holes for next year (SS,CF,C, and probably a SP). But this team is much more interesting than last year’s
Plus, if Guillen is showing an interesting change in strategy this year that you could be optimistic about.
by hitlesswonder on Apr 15, 2008 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions
there are no errors anymore
It’s all just “tough plays” I guess. I was at the Yankees game last weekend and Jeter threw an easy DP assist into CF. Ruled a hit.
Yeah but that's Jeter.
He walks on water. Or hadn’t you heard?
"I'll bring the awesome." -The 'Swish'
eightball say
never bunt, you will always do better.
somewhere in arizona, jerry owens silently weeps.
totally take away a hundred or two ABs from this guy
somewhere in arizona, jerry owens silently weeps.
Owens can't
hit the ball out of the infield.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Apr 15, 2008 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions
nice to see him hit something other than a fastball
good to give the pitcher something to think about. i guess.
somewhere in arizona, jerry owens silently weeps.
Gotta play this guy
Missile Love.
I’m at work, so not viewing – has he gained any weight yet?
I took the "under".
With an
accent.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Apr 15, 2008 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions
What's really nice...
is seeing the Sox collect some big hits off a mediocre lefty.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Apr 15, 2008 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions
If that's the way they roll, who are we to judge?
by hitlesswonder on Apr 15, 2008 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Pablo BUNT!
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
Back up the truck...
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Apr 15, 2008 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Still in love, larry?
Time to kiss that new wife goodbye. If he hits 30+ this year you might move to SF with Toonder.
I took the "under".
i thought we established orlando is really the gay area.
Somebody's shoved a red-hot poker up our ass, and I want to know whose name is on the handle!
by Toonderstrook on Apr 15, 2008 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions
the difference is that unlike orlando, the rest of the people in sf don't think you're going straight to hell...
Somebody's shoved a red-hot poker up our ass, and I want to know whose name is on the handle!
by Toonderstrook on Apr 15, 2008 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
It is, it is. My neighborhood has a gay bookstore and
retail store for drag queens, and every dining establishment is owned by a non-breeder (or “family”).
I took the "under".
He make things happen out there...
Not necessarily good things…just things.
by hitlesswonder on Apr 15, 2008 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Alexei
Why can’t he get some play at 2B or just more in general, no reason he can’t play CF one game, 2B the next and get a few games in a row out there.
Really should be able to get him 2-3 starts a week considering Swish can play all three OF spots and 1B. Should be able to get him a start in the OF and a start or two at 2B, especially if he can hit lefties.
I just don’t see where it would hurt us considering the age of JD, Thome, Konerko and the badness of Uribe, not to mention Quinton not being proven yet. Could always have Uribe play a game or two a month at SS too. Just seems like with the flexibility we have, Alexei should be getting a few more starts then he has.
by Grinder in Training on Apr 15, 2008 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Alexei is "rawest" at 2B
This ain’t the minors. Spelling O-Cab at SS and Swish in CF seems to make the most sense right now.
I took the "under".
so we replace a not proven quentin
with a not proven alexei. makes sense.
i think this team needs to stick with their “proven” players as much as possible to do what they’ve set themselves out to accomplish. the days off have ended for a while to we’ll probably see more of alexei.
somewhere in arizona, jerry owens silently weeps.
I think I didn't explain myself well
I’m just saying once a week or two Quinton sits out and Alexei get’s a start there, considering all the moving parts, each starter would only probably sit out once every two weeks. Typical 10th man situation. Quinton would still be starting 9 out of 10 games. Just was saying we don’t have anyone in our line up who has played so well they shouldn’t sit out once in a while besides maybe Swisher. JD has played great but he’s old no reason to not rest him once in a while. Sit Thome vs. some lefties, sit Uribe .. once a week or more as long as Buehrle isn’t pitching. No reason Alexei can’t be playing more.
by Grinder in Training on Apr 15, 2008 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions
So all 3 Sox OFs are OPSing over .800.
It’s been awhile since that happened. Big swing from having 2 guys stuck under .700.
Ouch!
Now that’s Chicago Tough.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Apr 15, 2008 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Good outing for Danks today.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Apr 15, 2008 2:32 PM CDT reply actions
Don't JINX!
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Apr 15, 2008 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions

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