Contreras, Thome Earl Weaver the Orioles
White Sox match 2007 high water mark
Ho Hum. Just another well pitched game won on the strength of the 3-run homer.
Yesterday it was Carlos Quentin who provided the offense with 3-run shot off Dana Eveland; today it was Jim Thome's turn. Thome, who had been benched yesterday even before receiving a 1-game suspension, hit his third HR of the year and his first since opening day in the first inning after falling behind Adam Loewen 0-2. He has yet to hit a HR off a right-hander.
After that, it was about as boring of a game as you can get with Jose Contreras on the mound. I missed the first two batters of the game, and tuned in just in time to see Thome fall behind 0-2. Two hours and fifteen minutes later, Bobby Jenks nonchalantly put this one in the books.
If I was one of those writers, I might say this is a team that just knows how to win. But I'm not. The Sox are winning because they're getting good pitching -- The pitching staff has allowed 4 runs in their last 5 games -- they've embraced the idea of putting guys who get on base at the top of the lineup, and they've always hit home runs.
For his part, Jose was as crisp as he's been since May of 2006. He's still is dropping down too much, as almost every non-forkball pitch he threw to a righty was from the drop-down position, but he had good movement, and more importantly, great location on his pitches. He didn't walk a batter for the first time since an August 17 loss to Seattle last year.
His velocity was in the low 90's -- Gameday says he was touching 93 -- but he'll probably never have the 95 MPH with movement on the corners he displayed during his remarkable '05-'06 run. That's fine by me if we see a whole lot more of the low-90's control pitcher we saw tonight.
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- Bobby Jenks and Scott Linebrink, who combined to close out the last two innings allowing only 1 baserunner, each seemed to have some extra life on their respective fastballs. Linebrink was touching 94 on the WCIU gun, and had similar Gameday readings, while Jenks hit 95 on both.
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Carlos Quentin is quickly approaching his longest at-bat streak without hitting a double. He's gone 42 at-bats this season without hitting a two-bagger. The good news is he's still been an effective offensive force. The bad news is I don't think he's quite 100% yet, which I suppose could be construed as good news as well.
I bring this up because Q is not really a homerun hitter. He's more of a gap hitter. He hit nearly twice as many doubles as he had HR in AAA, and continued that trend to his brief pre-White Sox major league career.
During the Civil Rights game, Kenny Williams mentioned that Carlos wasn't quite all the way back yet. And that he'd be "all the way back" when we saw him pounding the ball to the right center field gap. I don't think I've seen anything but a lazy fly ball to that field from Q this season. Hopefully we start to see it soon. Then we'll really know what we have in Quentin.
- The Orioles wiped out two Sox scoring opportunities with outfield assists.
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Looks like Father Time
drank from the Fountain of Youth tonight. Fork ball had some bite.
My biggest concern this year was the starting rotation and now they’re (thanfully) making me look bad for being critical.
Another concern was relying on the long ball to get wins. But I guess if it works, it works.
Just win, baby.
"We're gonna bring it all day, everyday...we're gonna keep grinding it out." - Nick Swisher (4/1/08)
by tailgater on
Apr 16, 2008 10:09 PM CDT
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If everything clicks...?
It seems like right now we are getting the best of everything…
John Danks found a way to win without his curveball.
Gavin Floyd is finally pitching up to his ability.
The Count shows that he still has life left.
I can’t wait until Bobby Jenks is in midseason form. It’s like he is so good and he isn’t even trying. I am never concerned when he is in the game. I sometimes forget that he is just 27 and has a whopping 180 IP. How many productive years does this guy have left…? 5…..6…..7….10…? He is actually pitching and not just blowing people away.
I will admit that i miss Josh Fields… but seriously how can you be a Sox Fan and not love Joe Crede….. When he ranged left behind the bag and threw on the run tonight and didn’t get Huff at first…. I was surprised…. when the ball is hit to him, i expect an out….
Q – i really think that the best is yet to come….
swisher – nothing to say that hasn’t already been said…solid cf and a nice 1B. If we can move Paulie or Thomer for anything of value it not only creates a ton of free $$$ but our team looks younger and free’s up spots for Ramirez, and Anderson. Wait not so much Anderson, but it is weird to actually have some depth from people that aren’t named Rob and Alex.
I am going to ask you one time, and i'm gonna ask you nice. Where the fuck is Ringo bitch.
by ElDiablo on
Apr 16, 2008 10:31 PM CDT
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give Q a day off to rest
and put BA in there to see what he can do
by The Scoper on
Apr 16, 2008 10:47 PM CDT
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This is all kinda tripping me out
We’re not really this good, are we?!
by Option27 on
Apr 16, 2008 10:53 PM CDT
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Right now, yes...
...but it is a long season. I’m not getting my hopes up too much until end of May/beginning of June. If they are playing at this level then too, well, then we might have something.
Still, they are fun to watch right now.
by vince_ on
Apr 16, 2008 10:57 PM CDT
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i just did some calculating...
and i found our team era right now is 3.7 can anyone confirm this for me because that is really good…
by Jbasic89 on
Apr 16, 2008 11:33 PM CDT
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Let me check my abacus
I’ll get back to you tomorrow
by 3E8 on
Apr 16, 2008 11:55 PM CDT
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+100, 3e8
absolutely hilarious—that made me giggle and LOL.
by CWSKeith on
Apr 17, 2008 12:12 AM CDT
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yep, 3.7
why didn’t you just go on bbref or espn or something? allowing 4 runs in 5 games will do wonders for an ERA in a small sample size
Lurking since 2006
by boyonthedock on
Apr 17, 2008 12:54 AM CDT
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This
http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/sortable_team_stats.jsp?statType=2&;statType=2&timeFrame=1&timeFrame=1&c_id=mlb&c_id=mlb&groupByTeam=true&groupByTeam=true§ion2=null&sitSplit=&sitSplit=&checkBoxTotal=0&statSet2=null&Submit=Submit&Submit=Submit&baseballScope=AL&baseballScope=mlb&timeSubFrame=2008&timeSubFrame=2008&timeSubFrame=2008&sortByStat=ERA
Pitching and defense.
by ballyb on
Apr 17, 2008 6:52 AM CDT
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This was the first Contreras start I've seen this year...
And I have to say, he looked pretty good. He struck guys out and placed the ball where he wanted it.
Unfortunately, to my eyes, he also looked like he’s put on a good bit of weight since last season. Contreras has always been in great shape in the past, and now he looks like he’s starting to follow the Freddy Garcia training plan.
Any thoughts? Is he just getting older, or is this part of a trend I haven’t been seeing?
Honestly, with Contreras’s brittle history and loss of stuff, I’d be a lot more comfortable with his resurgence if he was in good shape.
by Stealfirstbase on
Apr 17, 2008 12:11 AM CDT
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i never thought the count looked like he was in great shape.
he’s always been a big dude. maybe you just updated a prescription?
Blood has been shed, Jerry.
by Toonderstrook on
Apr 17, 2008 12:20 AM CDT
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I heard a few years ago
he was in the best shape of any Sox player. Quite a physical specimen.
Pitching and defense.
by ballyb on
Apr 17, 2008 6:51 AM CDT
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Ran into Contreras at a Cuban restaurant...
On Fullerton with two ladies in December. The man is in incredible shape.
His pants also cost more than I make in a month.
'Next year''s are for Cub fans!
by oscargamble33 on
Apr 17, 2008 7:49 PM CDT
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winning is great.
i am a little concerned, however, with the 2 hits in the last 10+ innings against bullpens.
Blood has been shed, Jerry.
by Toonderstrook on
Apr 17, 2008 12:15 AM CDT
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Yeah that is a bit concerning
But can there really even be any logical causation assosiated with that fact? They were different relievers for the most part. And a lot of that was Oakland and they usually have some solid bullpen arms.
by CatBrains on
Apr 17, 2008 10:26 AM CDT
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so far in this young season,
the sox are .350 OBP/.447 SLG/.797 OPS as a team against starters (332 PA) and against
relievers are .315 OPB/.400 SLG/.715 OPS (204 PA).
a .797 team OPS would be 5th in MLB; a .715 20th. the actual current overall of .771 is 8th.
and looking back at some of the relievers who the sox have been unable to touch, i think it does mean something.
Blood has been shed, Jerry.
by Toonderstrook on
Apr 17, 2008 12:09 PM CDT
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but what?
league average for starters and relievers are, what, .740 for starters and .733 for relievers? so they’re overperforming a lot against starters and underperforming a little against relievers. heck, that .02 difference probably is the result of that game last friday against the tigers. small sample sizes are tough to determine what that something means. if anything.
somewhere in arizona, jerry owens silently weeps.
by larry on
Apr 17, 2008 12:20 PM CDT
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i agree.
all i said to start was that i was concerned with 2 hits in the last 11 innings of facing mostly scrubby relievers.
Blood has been shed, Jerry.
by Toonderstrook on
Apr 17, 2008 12:25 PM CDT
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Coasting -
they’ll flip the switch when they need to. They’re professional ballplayers.
I took the "under".
by winningugly on
Apr 17, 2008 12:32 PM CDT
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you gotta flip a switch against the likes of
jim johnson, chad bradford, joey devine, kirk saarloos, santiago casilla, alan embree, and clay repada?
Blood has been shed, Jerry.
by Toonderstrook on
Apr 17, 2008 12:36 PM CDT
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a couple of those guys are pretty good
somewhere in arizona, jerry owens silently weeps.
by larry on
Apr 17, 2008 12:44 PM CDT
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i count maybe one and one or two unknowns.
Blood has been shed, Jerry.
by Toonderstrook on
Apr 17, 2008 12:48 PM CDT
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Unknowns are the bane of our existence.
I took the "under".
by winningugly on
Apr 17, 2008 12:52 PM CDT
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PS You got to know I'm being obtuse, right?
I took the "under".
by winningugly on
Apr 17, 2008 12:53 PM CDT
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aren't you always? ;-)
Blood has been shed, Jerry.
by Toonderstrook on
Apr 17, 2008 12:56 PM CDT
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I will enjoy your gradual conversion to
a Republican after you hit 30. Your time will come….
I took the "under".
by winningugly on
Apr 17, 2008 1:11 PM CDT
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no way no how no matter how much money i have.
Blood has been shed, Jerry.
by Toonderstrook on
Apr 17, 2008 1:17 PM CDT
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It's not $ -
it’s being told what to do with it.
I took the "under".
by winningugly on
Apr 17, 2008 1:19 PM CDT
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like to pay for roads and education and parks and stuff. yeah, roger that.
Blood has been shed, Jerry.
by Toonderstrook on
Apr 17, 2008 1:22 PM CDT
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or to democratize the world. forgot that one.
Blood has been shed, Jerry.
by Toonderstrook on
Apr 17, 2008 1:22 PM CDT
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Pete?
Small sample size, righteous indignation. Indianapolis = San Fran?
I took the "under".
by winningugly on
Apr 17, 2008 1:43 PM CDT
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i would have this discussion,
but now that you’ve got SoB on your side making fun of how I live on the street, I just can’t do it.
Blood has been shed, Jerry.
by Toonderstrook on
Apr 17, 2008 1:53 PM CDT
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Give me your tired, your poor....
I took the "under".
by winningugly on
Apr 17, 2008 4:24 PM CDT
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Democrats=Tax+Spend
Republicans=Borrow+Spend
Same shit, different color. Plus I’d prefer to not have a guy who was waterboarded every day for 5 years straight as president thank you very much.
''It's a grinder-type attitude, energetic attitude, confident-type attitude, and if it grinds on some people, then I need to know who those people are so we can move them on''
by ChicagoPete on
Apr 17, 2008 4:23 PM CDT
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Money in the mattress
thats for democrats. Or in Toonder’s case, between the maytag box and the asphalt.
by Where Triples Go to Die on
Apr 17, 2008 1:40 PM CDT
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both embree and bradford are above average relievers
getting shut down by them isn’t really a terrible thing.
somewhere in arizona, jerry owens silently weeps.
by larry on
Apr 17, 2008 1:01 PM CDT
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fine, i'll give you embree.
two hits in the last ~ 9 innings of facing relievers not named bradford or embree still sucks.
Blood has been shed, Jerry.
by Toonderstrook on
Apr 17, 2008 1:06 PM CDT
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is that you pete?
small sample size is your name.
somewhere in arizona, jerry owens silently weeps.
by larry on
Apr 17, 2008 1:07 PM CDT
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i'm not claiming it's the end of the world.
i’m not claiming anybody should be benched, orders changed, etc. something doesn’t have to be statistically significant to be worth commenting on. unless the pitching really holds up it’s necessary to score some runs off of shitty bullpens.
Blood has been shed, Jerry.
by Toonderstrook on
Apr 17, 2008 1:17 PM CDT
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No, you're confusing me with your wife
''It's a grinder-type attitude, energetic attitude, confident-type attitude, and if it grinds on some people, then I need to know who those people are so we can move them on''
by ChicagoPete on
Apr 17, 2008 4:23 PM CDT
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that could have been a good joke
but you muffed it. orlando cabrera is your name?
somewhere in rural america, jerry owens loudly whines.
by larry on
Apr 17, 2008 4:25 PM CDT
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Cat fight!
Hey, ifwe’re gonna tag-team, I want a piece of JRE!
I took the "under".
by winningugly on
Apr 17, 2008 4:27 PM CDT
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the wee-wee joke wasn't enough? you have to add "tag team?"
must have been a fairly lifeless anniversary after all.
Blood has been shed, Jerry.
by Toonderstrook on
Apr 17, 2008 4:29 PM CDT
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Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
I took the "under".
by winningugly on
Apr 17, 2008 4:31 PM CDT
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"Someday a real rain will come and wash all this scum off the streets"
''It's a grinder-type attitude, energetic attitude, confident-type attitude, and if it grinds on some people, then I need to know who those people are so we can move them on''
by ChicagoPete on
Apr 17, 2008 4:46 PM CDT
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I remember my first beer...
You sure you don’t belong in “The Shrine”?
I took the "under".
by winningugly on
Apr 17, 2008 4:49 PM CDT
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I was wondering how long it would take
for the obligitory wee-wee joke.
I took the "under".
by winningugly on
Apr 17, 2008 4:25 PM CDT
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speaking of earl
The DH listed in the starting line-up must bat at least once before being substituted, unless there is an injury or the opposite team’s starting pitcher has been changed. This rule was added after the 1980 season to close a loophole discovered by Baltimore Orioles manager Earl Weaver: he would list one of his inactive starting pitchers in the starting line-up as a phantom DH, and then, when his first time to bat came up, Weaver could decide which of a number of players to use as a pinch hitter for his DH, depending on the situation (for example if there were men on base, if he needed a base-runner, etc). Pitchers Steve Stone and Dennis Martinez were used most often in this capacity. Boxscores from that time would list the pitchers as having played a game at DH, but after the amendment to the rule was adopted, these "appearances" were erased from these pitchers’ records.B-R via tango
by The Wizard on
Apr 17, 2008 12:43 PM CDT
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"allowed 4 runs in their last 5 games."
Last time that happened?
Pitching and defense.
by ballyb on
Apr 17, 2008 6:48 AM CDT
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Linebrink
Looked pretty good last night. His heaters were accurate and his breaking pitches had lots of movement. They certainly kept AJ on his toes!
by thekever on
Apr 17, 2008 8:48 AM CDT
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So you don't like Profundo! eh - tough, get used to him
In today’s Trib, “Uribe at Second”:
“The reason we are where we are is because of Uribe,” Guillen said. “He turns big double plays for us. I think our defense has been great. We have to keep the same lineup as long as we can. Uribe is going to come out of it. He has had some good at-bats.
I bolded this “We have to keep the same lineup as long as we can”. I tell ya, this Ozzie is one clever rascal. He figures someone’s going to the DL sooner or later so he’s making hay while the sun shines.
''It's a grinder-type attitude, energetic attitude, confident-type attitude, and if it grinds on some people, then I need to know who those people are so we can move them on''
by ChicagoPete on
Apr 17, 2008 9:14 AM CDT
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Make sense of this statement
‘The reason we are where we are is because of Uribe,’’ Guillen said. ’’He turns big double plays for us. Our defense has been great.
’’Obviously, he’s going to strike out; we all know that. But since spring training, he’s always given me good at-bats, and that’s what we expect.
He always has given me good at-bats? Explain to me how any Uribe AB can be described as good. Now granted when he swings from his heels and connects it will go a long way, however when a guy walks the bases loaded and gets Uribe what one or two pitches and the ball is in play. He cannot control himself and swings at anything. Including bounced in balls as we saw last night.
by southsideirish71 on
Apr 17, 2008 9:36 AM CDT
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Uribe Sucks
Our national league lineup features a weak #9 hitter. We certainly need someone who at least has the potential to be productive at that spot, not a clown who chases lousy pitches.
...I don't believe in Zimmerman,
I don't believe in Beatles,
I just believe in me.
by thekever on
Apr 17, 2008 9:40 AM CDT
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yada, yada, yada
who cares what ozzie says. this is his starting 2B with no other palpable alternatives, as hard as that may be to believe considering uribe’s less than stellar talents. i can imagine what people would be saying if ozzie criticized him – just ozzie throwing one of his players under the bus again. we have a shitty #9 hitter who plays decent to good defense. there are worse things in life and baseball.
somewhere in arizona, jerry owens silently weeps.
by larry on
Apr 17, 2008 9:41 AM CDT
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Well said, lar.
I am looking forward to Richar getting healthy, though. If he develops like I think he can, he should eventually be getting at least half of the plate appearances out of that spot.
by dantesox on
Apr 17, 2008 9:44 AM CDT
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or ramirez
i’d hope one of them could wrestle the spot from uribe by july or august. but if they can’t, that’s the way it goes. the “problem” is that uribe has looked pretty good over there defensively and the defense has been surprisingly good so far, especially with the double plays. there’s value in defense. need to see how this develops over the course of the season but uribe being there isn’t the worst thing in the world. if he’s our biggest problem…shoot, that’s nothing.
somewhere in arizona, jerry owens silently weeps.
by larry on
Apr 17, 2008 9:48 AM CDT
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Couldn't agree more.
On one level, you’d like to prepare for next year when the position will be mainly Richar’s, , but, as you were alluding to, that’s secondary right now. One could also be future-oriented in their thinking concerning the shortstop position as well…..if one believes Cabrera extension talk is lip service (which isn’t a bad thing in my mind), and they are half expecting Ramirez to be the shortstop next year, what are the pros and cons of having him on the bench vs. at AAA playing shortstop every day?
by dantesox on
Apr 17, 2008 9:54 AM CDT
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last year this time
we had a lot of worse problems.
jeez, I’m starting to forget those problems…. Ah, that sweet Winning Amnesia…
Mosi Tatupu! Mosi Tatupu!
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Apr 17, 2008 9:55 AM CDT
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His arm is also an asset
in the relay from Dye to third, as you mentioned a few weeks ago when the two of them combined to throw someone out trying to stretch a double into a triple (the Detroit Sunday night game I think)
"I'll bring the awesome." -The 'Swish'
by Hazymania on
Apr 17, 2008 11:53 AM CDT
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Missing Richar? You and me, both...
He’s a much more solid hitter than Uribe. He doesn’t swing with an ego and in the short time he played in ‘07, he made some great hits thorough pockets that made a difference. Let’s not forget he set up Thome for his walk off 500th homer.
Unfortunately, and this breaks my heart, I talked to Mark Salas and he said he’s still in Tuscon—with more than a cracked rib.
I got to send him a get-well card, though. He knows people want him. Keep the hope. ; )
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