Wait, We Lost?
by colintj
on Apr 18, 2008 10:59 AM CDT
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It got that close.Bobby Jenks and the White Sox's win probability after retiring Ramon Hernandez was 94%. With two strikes and no balls on Roberts, it had to be 99%. Thanks to the magic of mlb.tv, there's going to be a recap and I've been watching the ninth so far. Bobby has the stuff and the control, so I'm figuring this is going to end well right?
Not so much. But again, Bobby got to 1-2 against Mora and made out pitches. He nearly had Mora frozen on an 88 mph slider/cutter that was high according to the umpire and he busted him in earlier with a hard fastball that Mora sliced off defensively. With the drama of the game gone since I knew the outcome, I just kept looking for what was missing this time and can't come up with anything. The one pitch we didn't see is that 82-83 mph-er that falls straight down off the table, but I liked what I did see. If by default every team wins and loses 50 games each, then we should drop this one in the Lose 50 bucket.
Gavin Floyd had another good outing, but at this point through three starts he has 10 K's to 8 BB's in 19.3 innings. He's gotten a ridiculous .865 DER (league leader according to THT) and sports a .136 BABIP with an unsustainable low line drive rate and the same fly ball rate that has plagued him since coming here. There's nothing there to suggest that he won't be reliant on the hope that all of these fly balls land in gloves and not seats. More or less, he's the '07 version of what we saw, though I do think Coop is helping mechanically. My dad leaned over last night while I was trying in vain to pick out some screen shots for Floyd's delivery and said, "He doesn't pitch the same way twice." Grains of salt, sure, but suffice it to say it's an uphill battle.
Carlos Quentin, meanwhile, is making Kenny Williams looking like a genius. He's batting .244/.370/.556 through 54 PAs. His line drive rate is low and is suppressing his BABIP correspondingly, but all of the secondary indicators are in line. He doesn't strike out much at all and while I doubt he'll keep up his .312 ISO, he's flashed power we didn't expect. It's not easy to know exactly where he'll end up at the end of the year, but it's hard to keep from expecting good things.
And Carlos is one of those reasons this isn't '07, even if superficially all the elements were in place. I know my real ball players from my Andy Gonzalezes and these guys pass the whiff test. That said, it's also clear defense is going to be a major issue throughout the season. The OC (don't call him that) made a nice throw from the hole for once, but I couldn't help wonder WWJUD on that grounder that Mora sent through the middle past Jenks and Cabrera. Buehrle, Vazquez and Contreras all sport a DER substantially below .700 while Danks has a .741. Outside of the four and five spots, the Sox defense has not been good for their starters. Without a single strikeout pitcher on the staff save Javy, the long term outlook on the Sox' chances to keep runs from scoring looks bad. That makes Cansequito all the more central to our slim but seemingly tangible post season possibility.
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Seems like...
a gut-punch loss. I’m glad I missed this game.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on
Apr 18, 2008 11:13 AM CDT
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I was floored. I just assumed we won when I switched to the Office.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
by colintj on
Apr 18, 2008 11:17 AM CDT
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I've always hated the Orioles...
ever since 1983, so I take pleasure in their suffering. I do not like seeing the Sox lose to Baltimore.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on
Apr 18, 2008 11:21 AM CDT
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Here is where metrics and vision collide
While I certainly understand what you mean when you write.
“Outside of the four and five spots, the Sox defense has not been good for their starters. Without a single strikeout pitcher on the staff save Javy, the long term outlook on the Sox’ chances to keep runs from scoring looks bad.”
As one who has watched or gone to the games I could not disagree more. Crede has definitely saved runs and the double play combo has been better than expected. Swisher is better in center than we thought and with CQ in left, Dye hasnt been able to bring down the whole OF.
If nothing chages the DEF Eff numbers will catch up. This is of course just my opinion.
by Tdogg on
Apr 18, 2008 11:25 AM CDT
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it hasn't been good
perhaps. but it hasn’t been bad, either, which is what i think many feared. i’ll take average defense.
somewhere in rural america, jerry owens loudly whines.
by larry on
Apr 18, 2008 11:30 AM CDT
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DER isn't perfect
what would be a better way to check out D Efficiency is to look at the batted ball distribution and work from there to generate an expected BABIP (LD% + .120). 1-BABIP is approximately DER, iirc. If the first three are giving up more line drives than expected, then the D may be doing as well as could be expected.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
by colintj on
Apr 18, 2008 11:58 AM CDT
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And FWIW
I think I was a little too strident in my statements about the defense. I think they’ve been a play or two below average per game. If I had to summarize the sentiments of the community, I think we’ve generally been concerned with not screwing up rather than turning hits into outs. That sounds like a play or two below average to me.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
by colintj on
Apr 18, 2008 12:02 PM CDT
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Id have to defer more to the math guys here.
I understand a great deal but some of it does make my head hurt. I do get that Floyd is over his head right now. His FIP ERA is 4.80 vs the 1.4 he sports. I do think his line drive percentage being so down does have something to do with his off speed stuff being down right nasty so far.
For what its worth the FIPs of other 4 starters is lower than the sported ERA which I think again bodes well assuming the D has worked out some early kinks.
When do we begin to take a serious look at the competition? CC will be fine but Carmona might be on a little borrowed time. His FIP is 4.84 and ks are down with BBs up.
by Tdogg on
Apr 18, 2008 12:14 PM CDT
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The math isn't a big deal
DER is defensive efficiency rating, which is just balls fielded divided by balls in play minus a few noodlings of some kind I think. BABIP is 1-DER to get balls that landed for hits over balls in play. So if you start with an expected BABIP (LD% plus .120) you can get to expected DER.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
by colintj on
Apr 18, 2008 12:41 PM CDT
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By the way...
Jerry Owens collected three hits (all singles) and stole two bases last night.
His batting line is still poor, though – .280/.308/.280. In six games, he has one walk and zero extra-base hits.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on
Apr 18, 2008 11:30 AM CDT
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Also...
AAAA outfielder DeWayne Wise is just tearing things up for the Knights – he has a .373/.431/.647 line, and he’s six-for-seven in stolen base attempts.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on
Apr 18, 2008 11:35 AM CDT
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that was frustrating
It was looking good when I went to watch The Office. Afterwards I ran some errands and listened to the lead slip. Even with 2 outs in up only 1, I was still confident. Once they tied it though, I knew thats a game you don’t come back and win.
by shaftr on
Apr 18, 2008 11:45 AM CDT
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Is it me?
Or is Bobby giving up all the finger in that photo?
by rcpweiner on
Apr 18, 2008 11:46 AM CDT
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he is, apparently.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
by colintj on
Apr 18, 2008 11:53 AM CDT
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The Tigers'...
pitching seems to find a way to get worse and worse with every game.
It’s funny that the consensus was that Jeremy Bonderman was the weak link in that rotation. He’s been their best starter thus far, not that that’s saying much.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on
Apr 18, 2008 12:14 PM CDT
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that was the consensus?
wow. people must really like rogers and willis.
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by larry on
Apr 18, 2008 1:04 PM CDT
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Does anyone have access to this defensive data?
The Hardball Times put this out last year, and I thought the graphics were a fantastic way of illustrating infield defensive metrics. Below is league average, then each team was plotted against the average. I can’t get an isolated image to show of the Sox in 2006, but each team is charted in this pdf. The left side of Crede/Uribe was awesome that year.
Would be interesting to see how this looks this year.
''It's a grinder-type attitude, energetic attitude, confident-type attitude, and if it grinds on some people, then I need to know who those people are so we can move them on''
by ChicagoPete on
Apr 18, 2008 12:16 PM CDT
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i really like those too
that was a really cool article
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
by colintj on
Apr 18, 2008 12:33 PM CDT
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I wish it were publicly available, good way of putting a stop to all of these endless defensive arguments
''It's a grinder-type attitude, energetic attitude, confident-type attitude, and if it grinds on some people, then I need to know who those people are so we can move them on''
by ChicagoPete on
Apr 18, 2008 12:42 PM CDT
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Good info, Pete - thanks.
I took the "under".
by winningugly on
Apr 18, 2008 1:48 PM CDT
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I thought this one was in the bag
A couple of questionable balls and strikes and all of sudden it’s tied and with Octavio, Linebrink and Bobby already used it was only a matter of (short) time before the O’s scored again.
Oh well, should be noted Floyd was actually getting some Ks this start and he will need to continue to maintain a better K rate if he wants to improve over 2007.
Defense continues to be average at best, terrible “ole” play by Kong come back to bite the Sox in the ass on the two run homer . AJs error unforced as well, just didn’t glove it, and then compounded his mistake by failing to make an accurate throw to 1st.
Quentin and Swisher continue to show good range though. Infield defense is looking pretty rough up the middle though with Ocab and AJ weighing down the positive of Juan’s cannon at 2B.
by madvillian on
Apr 18, 2008 12:29 PM CDT
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did any of you guys feel the earthquake?
Blood has been shed, Jerry.
by Toonderstrook on
Apr 18, 2008 12:39 PM CDT
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no and i haven't felt the aftershocks either.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
by colintj on
Apr 18, 2008 12:42 PM CDT
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I was in Indianapolis in 1980
when we experienced an earthquake. Weird – it was a summer day, I fell asleep during a Saturday baseball day game, and woke up to see the liquor on my shelving unit sloshing around inside the bottles. (Yeah, post-college decor was Trading Spaces-worthy.)
I have no idea how you in CA go through this fairly often. Shook me up.
I took the "under".
by winningugly on
Apr 18, 2008 1:51 PM CDT
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I couch surfed one in CA.
But in CA you come to expect them. I was all “Oh, yeah, that huge ass fault that’s slowly ripping the state apart!”
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
by colintj on
Apr 18, 2008 2:00 PM CDT
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Fire up another one, dude!
I guess that attitude helps with survival out there. You are now back where you belong, Mr. Heartland!
I took the "under".
by winningugly on
Apr 18, 2008 2:10 PM CDT
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It's actually...
crunching the state together, not pulling it apart.
5.2 is nothing.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on
Apr 18, 2008 2:18 PM CDT
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See - your tolerance is a lot higher than mine
I took the "under".
by winningugly on
Apr 18, 2008 2:19 PM CDT
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The first time it happened...
I was a little weirded out, but now I just wait ‘till it’s over, and if I didn’t hear anything break, I go back to sleep.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on
Apr 18, 2008 2:22 PM CDT
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i thought CA was going to end up an island somewhere?
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
by colintj on
Apr 18, 2008 2:30 PM CDT
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No.
It probably was an island at some point, millions of years ago, but it won’t be again.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on
Apr 18, 2008 2:35 PM CDT
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wiki disagrees
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Andreas_Fault#Plate_movement
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
by colintj on
Apr 18, 2008 2:38 PM CDT
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jerry, breaking into plate tectonics
somewhere in rural america, jerry owens loudly whines.
by larry on
Apr 18, 2008 2:39 PM CDT
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It woke my wife up
“What was that?” – “Nothing, go to sleep”
''It's a grinder-type attitude, energetic attitude, confident-type attitude, and if it grinds on some people, then I need to know who those people are so we can move them on''
by ChicagoPete on
Apr 18, 2008 1:56 PM CDT
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It was the middle of the night?
Guess not too many folks talked about it around the water cooler.
I took the "under".
by winningugly on
Apr 18, 2008 1:58 PM CDT
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about 4:30am
''It's a grinder-type attitude, energetic attitude, confident-type attitude, and if it grinds on some people, then I need to know who those people are so we can move them on''
by ChicagoPete on
Apr 18, 2008 2:00 PM CDT
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Were you sober by then?
;)
I took the "under".
by winningugly on
Apr 18, 2008 2:07 PM CDT
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almost - another hour of sleep woulda been nice
Oh btw – enough time has passed so I guess I can spill the beans a little without worrying about a lurker from the team. A certain player from a certain team from a certain side of a city known for their Polish sausage was interested in renting my property. He wanted it completely furnished, and only would go for a 6 month lease because of the standard player contract. Didn’t make sense for me do that short a lease. Money wasn’t the issue, it was the lease term – I thought he’d back down, but nope. Now I have to deal with plain old civilians instead. Would have made for good name dropping.
''It's a grinder-type attitude, energetic attitude, confident-type attitude, and if it grinds on some people, then I need to know who those people are so we can move them on''
by ChicagoPete on
Apr 18, 2008 2:16 PM CDT
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It's all about the Benjamins.
Some fan you are.
I took the "under".
by winningugly on
Apr 18, 2008 2:17 PM CDT
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Baseball player wouldn't be an ideal tenant
I don’t think he’d spend his downtime doing needlepoint.
The one sweet thing about his offer was that he’d pay the 6 months up front in cash, and if he got traded I’d get to keep it because the club is on the hook then. So I definitely would have been rooting hard for him to get moved – for an A ball pitcher, anything!
''It's a grinder-type attitude, energetic attitude, confident-type attitude, and if it grinds on some people, then I need to know who those people are so we can move them on''
by ChicagoPete on
Apr 18, 2008 2:22 PM CDT
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How great would it be if BP
was spot on last year (72/72), but off by 20 this year(77/97)?
Pitching and defense.
by ballyb on
Apr 18, 2008 1:14 PM CDT
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Hey its already been "proved"
That the White Sox have the 3rd most heart. So them blowing up BPs prediction wouldnt surprise me at all.
by Tdogg on
Apr 18, 2008 1:45 PM CDT
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Tdogg - you of all people a BP subscriber?
''It's a grinder-type attitude, energetic attitude, confident-type attitude, and if it grinds on some people, then I need to know who those people are so we can move them on''
by ChicagoPete on
Apr 18, 2008 1:20 PM CDT
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I dont get it. I have been for 3 years.
by Tdogg on
Apr 18, 2008 1:42 PM CDT
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Coulda fooled me
Every argument you make seems to scoff at statistical evidence. Which is fine, I’ve got no problem with that – this would be a very dull place if everyone had the same opinion on everything. Groupthink is an enemy of the good.
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by ChicagoPete on
Apr 18, 2008 1:46 PM CDT
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to what arguments of tdogg's are you referring?
seems you don’t read much of what he posts.
somewhere in rural america, jerry owens loudly whines.
by larry on
Apr 18, 2008 1:47 PM CDT
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I always pegged Tdogg as a hard-core "you gotta believe" types
Faith is usually the enemy of reason.
''It's a grinder-type attitude, energetic attitude, confident-type attitude, and if it grinds on some people, then I need to know who those people are so we can move them on''
by ChicagoPete on
Apr 18, 2008 1:50 PM CDT
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like i said
you obviously have skipped over a lot of his posts. he and i talk frequently about things posted on BP.
somewhere in rural america, jerry owens loudly whines.
by larry on
Apr 18, 2008 1:52 PM CDT
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You two are usually arguing about something or other so I do skim them
I didn’t realize they had a basis in fact.
''It's a grinder-type attitude, energetic attitude, confident-type attitude, and if it grinds on some people, then I need to know who those people are so we can move them on''
by ChicagoPete on
Apr 18, 2008 1:58 PM CDT
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Lmao
Oh I get it. Because I havent bought into “Our team is ruined for the next decade,” it means you cant have a plausible differing opinion?
Hardcore you gotta believe? Thats the problem with some on this board. Everything is black or white. No in between. Example I can point to historical examples and different ways of buliding a team or farm system. Some logical folks may make a counter point and argue the Sox do things differently now or have different pieces etc…
Other folks (Pete, SSH) feel they are right and you are wrong. Their emperical proof? 2007!!! Throw everything else out the window!
by Tdogg on
Apr 18, 2008 2:00 PM CDT
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By the way I mean no harm
I get that 2007 was plain bad and can heavily influence many opinions. I also get that the Sox are not anything close to the darlings of the saber community. But even those guys on occassion have admitted that there is something goofy (in a good way) about the White Sox from time to time.
by Tdogg on
Apr 18, 2008 2:04 PM CDT
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Don't tase me bro!
I just found it hard to believe that a guy who subscibes to BP would scoff in the face of the erudite Nate Silver. No offense intended. You seemed to be one of the vociferous bunch that said the 77 win PECOTA projection this year was preposterous.
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by ChicagoPete on
Apr 18, 2008 2:05 PM CDT
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saying "i don't know" isn't the same as calling it preposterous
it’s amusing how when certain people make subtle arguments other usual suspects make them into black/white arguments.
somewhere in rural america, jerry owens loudly whines.
by larry on
Apr 18, 2008 2:08 PM CDT
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hah - that's precious coming from you
''It's a grinder-type attitude, energetic attitude, confident-type attitude, and if it grinds on some people, then I need to know who those people are so we can move them on''
by ChicagoPete on
Apr 18, 2008 2:18 PM CDT
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and not unexpected coming from you
unlike other people on this board, i rarely make black or white arguments and tend to scoff at those who do. i’m in a profession trained to see every side of an issue. give me an issue and i can probably give a plausible argument for either side. simply because i defend my position vigorously does not mean that i don’t understand the other point of view adequately or realize the merits of it.
somewhere in rural america, jerry owens loudly whines.
by larry on
Apr 18, 2008 2:24 PM CDT
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Gee, I guess you're just a swell guy all around Larry - Mr. Fair & Balanced
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by ChicagoPete on
Apr 18, 2008 2:27 PM CDT
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That's ridiculous.
If anything I have argued more historically. But its silly to say I have scoffed at statistical anaylsis.
by Tdogg on
Apr 18, 2008 1:52 PM CDT
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I apologize, one shouldn't generalize
''It's a grinder-type attitude, energetic attitude, confident-type attitude, and if it grinds on some people, then I need to know who those people are so we can move them on''
by ChicagoPete on
Apr 18, 2008 1:58 PM CDT
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Pete I think you may be confusing some of your arguments or claims with
legitimate saber arguments…....Lol.
by Tdogg on
Apr 18, 2008 1:46 PM CDT
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Consistency is the sign of a small mind
Stats are fine, but I trust my eyeballs too.
''It's a grinder-type attitude, energetic attitude, confident-type attitude, and if it grinds on some people, then I need to know who those people are so we can move them on''
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Apr 18, 2008 1:47 PM CDT
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okay, this whole "locking pre-arb players up" thing is getting a little ridiculous
longoria signs long-term deal with rays. after playing six major league games.
6 years, $17.5M. club options for 14 and 15/16.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/baseball/mlb/04/18/longoria.contract.ap/index.html
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by larry on
Apr 18, 2008 1:11 PM CDT
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Those option years...
make it a very nice deal for Tampa.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on
Apr 18, 2008 1:29 PM CDT
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Its funny Larry because I have been thinking the same thing.
It really is okay to let the players “prove it” a little.
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Apr 18, 2008 1:47 PM CDT
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i guess it really isn't that much money
and he’s about as close to can’t miss as you get but jeez. maybe after the all-star break, guys?
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by larry on
Apr 18, 2008 1:48 PM CDT
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Need to market to the Latino community in Tampa
and with Pena injured it makes (short-term) sense.
I took the "under".
by winningugly on
Apr 18, 2008 1:52 PM CDT
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My take
is that a number of bad things had to happen for us to lose this game:
1) Paulie’s error that eventually leads to 2 unearned runs.
2) AJ’s throwing error to first.
3) Bobby’s inability to throw his real good curve.
4) Bobby and AJ’s insistence on throwing curves anyway.
5) Logan can’t find the strike zone for the first time this year.
Any one of these things don’t happen (‘cept maybe the last one) and we win, right? So I’ve decided to take this as a good sign – it was just one of those nights.
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Apr 18, 2008 1:31 PM CDT
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wait, you're not stepping off the ledge after one loss?
what the fuck is wrong with you! this was the end of the world. i’m not watching white sox baseball again this year. it’s over. finished. done.
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by larry on
Apr 18, 2008 1:32 PM CDT
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Bobby was pitching for the 3rd consecutive day
There was a reason he was throwing almost all breaking stuff. That was Linebrink’s 3rd day in a row too. Let’s hope Javy is on tonight.
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by ChicagoPete on
Apr 18, 2008 1:40 PM CDT
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Or, even better...
let’s hope that Thome and Konerko are on tonight.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on
Apr 18, 2008 1:45 PM CDT
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or even better
lets hope the tampa kids don’t aren’t on!
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Apr 18, 2008 2:31 PM CDT
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dang that makes that implosion all the more annoying
if we need to lock down the back end of a game, we’ve got the Arsonist, Dotel and Masset?
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
by colintj on
Apr 18, 2008 1:49 PM CDT
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People making cracks about get off the ledge after one loss
That one hurt. Wins are hard to come by in the AL, not a whole lot of gimmes and last night was right there. Ozzie laid it on the line last night to put it in the bank, knowing Linebrink and Jenks would have to be shut down tonight. This one went from your proverbial 50 win pile right into the 50 loss pile.
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Apr 18, 2008 2:47 PM CDT
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owens reinstated from DL, optioned to charlotte
http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2008/04/owens-reinstate.html
no quick return it seems.
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by larry on
Apr 18, 2008 1:51 PM CDT
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I see you updated your sig
And Charlotte, the Queen City, is hardly rural.
I took the "under".
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i’d never heard of charlotte before.
somewhere in rural america, jerry owens loudly whines.
by larry on
Apr 18, 2008 1:57 PM CDT
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I understand it isn't on your dance card
but it is quite charming.
I took the "under".
by winningugly on
Apr 18, 2008 1:59 PM CDT
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yes, i've been their many times
charming is a way to put it.
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by larry on
Apr 18, 2008 2:07 PM CDT
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For the South, it has a few amenities
And I’ve met a few people that can carry on interesting an intelligent discourse (though I can’t get past the accent meself).
I took the "under".
by winningugly on
Apr 18, 2008 2:08 PM CDT
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and how many of those people
are actually from north carolina?
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by larry on
Apr 18, 2008 2:09 PM CDT
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You're getting picky now...
I took the "under".
by winningugly on
Apr 18, 2008 2:11 PM CDT
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there's a reason i call it rural
and it’s not geographic
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by larry on
Apr 18, 2008 2:12 PM CDT
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I believe Duke and UNC are in the state
And some actual natives attend those fine institutions of higher learning.
I took the "under".
by winningugly on
Apr 18, 2008 2:18 PM CDT
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i'm sure
somewhere in rural america, jerry owens loudly whines.
by larry on
Apr 18, 2008 2:25 PM CDT
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If you've been to Knights Stadium
It’s in a pretty rural area, and Charlotte outside city limits goes almost straight to rural areas, not much for suburbs there.
by Grinder in Training on
Apr 18, 2008 2:34 PM CDT
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it is south carolina, after all
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by larry on
Apr 18, 2008 2:37 PM CDT
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work-out like johan
http://magazine.stack.com/TheIssue/Article/4430/Johan_Santanas_Workout_Routine.aspx
interesting article…
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by larry on
Apr 18, 2008 2:34 PM CDT
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don't thank me, thank mlb.tv
they’re the real heroes!
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
by colintj on
Apr 18, 2008 2:41 PM CDT
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mlb.tv are the heroes? you may want to duck before mlb.tv users here hear you!
by The Wizard on
Apr 18, 2008 2:45 PM CDT
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don't worry, that shite app already submarined by Gavin's Mechanics post...
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
by colintj on
Apr 18, 2008 4:16 PM CDT
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cheat
how about putting this link (http://www.sbnation.com/guide/fanpost) among the ‘welcome, new fanshot, new fanpost’ etc. links?
by The Wizard on
Apr 18, 2008 2:47 PM CDT
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people like the sox again
Thursday night’s White Sox’s game at Baltimore was Comcast SportsNet’s highest rated Sox game since Sept. 17, 2006.
The telecast averaged a 2.80 household rating, an average of 97,135 Chicago-area homes watching the game.
CSN reached a peak rating of 4.41 during the 8:45 p.m. quarter-hour time slot—nearly 153,000 homes watching.
http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2008/04/showtime.html
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by larry on
Apr 18, 2008 3:11 PM CDT
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wow thats surprising
Considering beginnining of 07 had them off 99 and 90 wins. People like Swish that much or the idea of a revivial?
by Tdogg on
Apr 18, 2008 3:18 PM CDT
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celebrity apprentice is over
and most people weren’t watching the shootist.
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by larry on
Apr 18, 2008 3:21 PM CDT
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*gasp*! jose canseco maybe lied in his most recent book!
i’m shocked – shocked!
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/baseball/mlb/04/18/canseco.max/index.html
somewhere in baseball purgatory, jerry owens loudly whines.
by larry on
Apr 18, 2008 3:30 PM CDT
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Well my faith in humanity goes out the window
-Jeeves Life in the Cell
by jeeves on
Apr 18, 2008 3:34 PM CDT
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