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Quentin, Crede Come Through in the Clutch

This one had all the makings of the White Sox first 3-game losing streak of the season. Gavin Floyd had a third inning that evoked images of Javy's second inning earlier this week. He didn't seem to want anything to do with the strike zone, and would stake the Yankees to an early 3-0 lead. And then the rains came.

Thank god they came. For the series the White Sox seemed unable to push runs across against the Yankees starter, or the two aces at the end of the Yankees pen. But the rain knocked Yanks starter Phil Hughes out of the game, and gave the Sox offense a crack at the ass end of their bullpen.

Sure enough, the Sox rolled up another big inning, 5 runs in the 4th off Ross Ohlendorf (pronounced Nick Masset). It would have been 6 if not for a would-be Alexei Ramirez triple finding the right field seats resulting in a ground rule double and Carlos Quentin on 3rd base. The Gentleman Masher later added a Walloped Tater to finish the Sox scoring against the spare parts of the Yankee pen.

Floyd would take his lead and generally pitch well. But much like Javy on Wednesday, the Yankees mounted a lightning quick 2-out rally to cut the lead to one and make it a battle of the bullpens for the remaining 3 innings.

You can tell that Ozzie is still trying to get used to his new bullpen. I've yet to criticize Ozzie's bullpen usage this season in part for the same reason.

All other roles are up for grabs, and any move to call on the remaining 4 members can be called into question in a tight game. With the Yankees running out a predominantly left-handed lineup, Ozzie tried to steal an inning with Matt Thornton, but a 2-out single and a walk forced Ozzie to call on Linebrink with the right-handed Morgan Ensberg due up. You know how that worked out.

Ozzie then tried to get multiple innings out of Logan, in part because he breezed through his first inning of work and, as is becoming quite redundant, because the Yankees lineup is littered with lefties. But when Logan had trouble getting his second out in the 9th, Ozzie made the call for the big man, a move we've begged for constantly on this blog. Even DJ tried to convince Hawk why it's in the Sox best interest to have their best reliever on the mound in the highest leverage situation. He didn't put it like that, but at least he's trying.

Jenks coaxed a double play out of Jorge Posada, and looked like he would be available to go in the 10th. The two resident ManCrushes of this site had other ideas.

With one out and Joba Chamberlain locked on cruise control, Quentin, who was in the midst of a terrible night at the plate, battled to get a bit a hanger, which he was able to rope for a double off the left field wall. Four pitches later, Joe Crede, who you might have heard is clutch, buckled his knees and poked a flat 1-2 slider into center field for the game winning single.

I don't want to overstate the importance of a single game, but if that game ends in a loss the last week plus would have had a very 2007-like feel to it. Avoiding the sweep, putting up a fight even when the bullpen blows a lead; this is a different team. I can't say they're a great team, or even a team that will stick around for the rest of the season in the AL Central, but at least they're better, more entertaining, than last season.

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Just a thought, wanted to gauge people's reaction

If CQ had just singled in the ninth, would Ozzie have put Ozuna in to try and swipe second? I hate to admit this, but that would have been a good spot for Owens, and would be the exact reason I would want him on the team.

I know speed is overblown, but in my hypothetical situation it makes sense. Plus JO wouldn’t have looked quite so brutal chugging around third.

Maybe not even JO, but having someone on the pine that can swipe a bag when it must be swipe-ed could be important. Fortunately for us CQ is beginning to hit some doubles!

"I'll bring the awesome." -The 'Swish'

by Hazymania on Apr 25, 2008 1:13 AM CDT   0 recs

Yes, that would have been a great situation for Owens to be on the roster for...

but honestly, how often is that scenario going to play out?

by SSH2005 on Apr 25, 2008 1:15 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't think Owens being on the roster for such a scenario...

is worth the risk of Ozzie giving him more and more playing time. Even with Dye out with a groin, I would rather see more of Ramirez or Anderson in CF.

by SSH2005 on Apr 25, 2008 1:19 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Can Bourgeois swipe a bag?

3 for 3 in Charlotte this season. He could be our next Willie Harris!

"I'll bring the awesome." -The 'Swish'

by Hazymania on Apr 25, 2008 1:22 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Out with a groin, LOL!

Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.

by rhythm on Apr 25, 2008 11:53 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Why not?

I take umbrage with that recap. sips glass of irradiated water

In all seriousness; that image is priceless.

by explodingpinwheelsforfunandprofit on Apr 25, 2008 1:13 AM CDT   0 recs

If The Gentleman Masher catches on

I would die happy. It doesn’t take much.

Between this and WordUpThome, I’m pretty sure hanging out with the real Thome would be a drag.

Never trust a big butt and a smile.
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Apr 25, 2008 1:26 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Jim, I only hope this works out for you.

It’s a small dream, but a good one.

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Apr 25, 2008 5:56 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I was all over this a few days ago -

it deserves to go national. And the baseball card is a great complement. Wondrously creative. It’d be nice for Jim to appear on Oprah again.

Internet, work your magic.

I took the "under".

by winningugly on Apr 25, 2008 7:04 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

A picture of Thome with a Photoshopped handlebar moustache...

Yeah, greatest thing I have ever seen. I will be able to die a happy man now.

by SSH2005 on Apr 25, 2008 7:41 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I know, I know

It is a little odd to actually have fun watching baseball. I just haven’t quite gotten a hang of knee-jerk rage, repeating myself to the point where people can predict what I’m going to say and condemning the characters of ballplayers because they’re not living up to my expectations.

Never trust a big butt and a smile.
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Apr 25, 2008 9:50 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I know - it's better to rehash old grudges

with team roster selection/positioning/performance than to create something fun or funny.

That’s gonna be one humorless kid in a few months. Ever seen “Mr. Scrooge”?

I took the "under".

by winningugly on Apr 25, 2008 10:27 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I love it Sox Machine - keep up the good work!

Working a corporate job, Photoshop has saved my ass on more than a few occasions.

Who ever came up with the Juan Uribe swinging the big turkey leg…pure genius! Can someone please come up with a Photoshop of Paulie with a fridge on his back? Sweet.

Question to Jorge Posada…Where’s your double noooooooooooow? Hah!

"We're gonna bring it all day, everyday...we're gonna keep grinding it out." - Nick Swisher (4/1/08)

by tailgater on Apr 25, 2008 11:08 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

My pride and joy

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y34/colintj/juanloveschickencopy.jpg>

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Apr 25, 2008 1:14 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

damnit

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Apr 25, 2008 1:15 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Really?

How can someone hate on the Gentleman Masher picture, it’s great.

by Grinder in Training on Apr 25, 2008 12:53 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

that was hilarious

i can’t believe how humorless you are sometimes

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Apr 25, 2008 1:17 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

After the game, Konerko said the following to a reporter...

“Bats, they are sick. I cannot hit curveball. Straightball I hit it very much. Curveball, bats are afraid. I ask Jobu to come, take fear from bats. I offer him cigar, rum. He will come.”

by SSH2005 on Apr 25, 2008 1:23 AM CDT   0 recs

Fuck you Jobu

I do it myself.

"I'll bring the awesome." -The 'Swish'

by Hazymania on Apr 25, 2008 1:24 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think I would rather see Konerko strike out looking...

than watch him whiff at another curveball like he did tonight. That was ugly.

by SSH2005 on Apr 25, 2008 1:26 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I only saw bits and pieces of the game

Any time he wants to start coming out of this slump, I’ll be ready

"I'll bring the awesome." -The 'Swish'

by Hazymania on Apr 25, 2008 1:29 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Konerko did this last April, too

Players with Konerko’s skills are guys who generally don’t age well, right? I ask because you see a good amount of people (I’m not sure if it SouthSideSox is included in this) talk about Konerko’s 2007 as a down year, but I’d expect that to be the norm for the next three seasons (this year included). The argument about Dye was a little different, as he was battling a couple of different injuries last year, but I never heard that anything was physically wrong with PK. Plus, Dye is a bit better of an athlete than Konerko is.

What are the rules, again, for picking up a guy like Dan Johnson? Would the Sox have to keep him on the 25-man or just on the 40-man? As larry mentioned, not only would he be nice insurance if PK completely fell off the table, but he’d also a nice bench bat (although with his defensive limitations, I don’t know if he’d necessarily be a great bench player—at least in the way Ozzie would need him to be).

by CWSKeith on Apr 25, 2008 1:50 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think

At least in the Sox’s eyes, (not that I have any way of knowing) that Fields is now the Konerkinsurance.

"I'll bring the awesome." -The 'Swish'

by Hazymania on Apr 25, 2008 2:08 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

This is a good point

but I also think, depending on the team’s performance of course, that if the Sox’s biggest problems remain on the pitching ledger of things, we could see Josh Fields get traded. If PK’s (or anyone else he could feasibly replace in the lineup) flimsiness stays the biggest issue, then he’ll stick around. But I really remember larry saying that the Quentin trade foretold the Swisher deal. If Kenny feels he can get a playoff team out of this bunch, he may continue to pull triggers in a win now mode. Poreda, honestly, would be a nice piece too considering his seemingly favorable rawness to perceived value ratio. Who could Fields and Poreda get in a trade?

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Apr 25, 2008 6:02 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You guys are effin' tough

Konerko goes 2-4, gets the first hit of the game (pulled through SS) and all you focus on is his potential deterioration based upon his whiff? Did you see how quickly Big Frank was picked up after being cut? Do you think there might be a market for Paulie for the next, say, 5-7 years?

Keehrist.

I took the "under".

by winningugly on Apr 25, 2008 7:08 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The A's are paying Frank the pro-rated minimum...

and they did not have to give up any players for him. So… no.

by SSH2005 on Apr 25, 2008 7:33 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

And what are the Jays paying?

The point is that proven performance always is in demand. And, though Paulie doesn’t live up to your lofty expectations, he is a proven performer, and as long as he’s healthy and keeps his numbers around where he is he’ll have a job.

Regardless of how much of Frank’s salary they are paying he’s still worth at least a look-see. And I think at this stage Paulie’s got a little more upside than Frank.

I took the "under".

by winningugly on Apr 25, 2008 10:30 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Well...

you asked about the next 5-7 years. I’d say Konerko is a good bet for the next year, maybe two, but after that…

Konerko would be far from the first slow, right-handed power hitter to have a sharp drop in performance in his early ‘30s.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Apr 25, 2008 10:37 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Lofty expectations? Have you taken a look at his line?

Obviously, he won’t end up with those numbers to finish the season but he is pretty putrid to watch right now.

by SSH2005 on Apr 25, 2008 10:39 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't judge a guy by 20 games

His numbers last year (and he was awful the first 1/2 of the year) ended up being similar to his 2002-2003 numbers.

As far as him falling off a cliff in 1-2 years I’ll err on the side of optimism. He has a nice contract for the next 2-3 years, he’s a family guy, he’s competitive, he keeps himself in shape. He’ll be OK.

If not, I blame Juan Uribe.

I took the "under".

by winningugly on Apr 25, 2008 10:44 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Uribe WILL likely end the season with garbage numbers.

If there is anything positive that you see from him when watching his awful AB’s, good for you. He is guessing fastball and swinging as hard as he can half the time. He is a great defender but he should be a backup utility infielder earning a million dollars. He is no better than a Neifi Perez yet he is earning $4.5 million dollars and starting on a $100+ million dollar team. I can’t wait until he’s gone.

by SSH2005 on Apr 25, 2008 10:52 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

brought him up? what, with the running SSS uribe joke?

like i said, you’ll wedge uribe into any coversation.

i blame juan uribe

by larry on Apr 25, 2008 10:56 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

When Ozzie starts playing Ramirez more over Uribe...

regardless of his recent comments, will you get off my back, monkey?

by SSH2005 on Apr 25, 2008 11:00 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

nope

i’m sure you’ll find something else to fixate on and i will then fixate on that.

i blame juan uribe

by larry on Apr 25, 2008 11:02 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It's nice to know that I have a secret admirer...

Just don’t get too obsessed or I will break out the restraining order.

by SSH2005 on Apr 25, 2008 11:03 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Neither did I...

I said that he won’t finish with those numbers at the end of the season but it’s still brutal to watch. I never said to bench Konerko either.

by SSH2005 on Apr 25, 2008 10:46 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

And your comment was that there would be a market...

for Konerko in the future because there was a market for Frank. But the A’s don’t pick up Frank again if he doesn’t come cheap (less than the minimum) or costs them players or prospects. I agree that the market is there for proven performers but don’t expect to get anything of value for an old, declining Konerko. If Kenny wants to trade Konerko in a year or two, it will be a salary dump. Just look at the Jim Edmonds trade to the Padres.

by SSH2005 on Apr 25, 2008 10:43 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Edmonds is beat up physically

and a pain in the ass personally. My point is SOMEONE is paying Frank. (And Frank’s past performance is head ‘n shoulders above Paulie, so I understand his decline perhaps brings him to a Konerko age 36 performance when Frank is 40.)

Someone will want Paulie when he’s 36-37 if he wants to play.

I took the "under".

by winningugly on Apr 25, 2008 10:47 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

And it will be a low payroll A.L. team that needs a DH...

and they will probably only trade for Paulie if the Sox pick up some of his contract.

by SSH2005 on Apr 25, 2008 10:54 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

So?

If, if, if. I am saying there will be a market for him.

I took the "under".

by winningugly on Apr 25, 2008 10:55 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Okay, as long as you aren't contending that...

we will get anything of value back for him at that point.

by SSH2005 on Apr 25, 2008 10:58 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

And Frank Thomas...

is falling from a much further height than Paul Konerko ever reached.

From a purely offensive standpoint, Frank Thomas had a better year in 2007 (in his age-39 season) than Paul Konerko did in his age-31 season. Konerko’s best offensive years weren’t really much better than Thomas’s worst (full) seasons.

Not that that’s a knock on Konerko – Thomas is headed to the hall of fame. It’s not really a fair comparison. But there’s a reason that Thomas still has interest at 40.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Apr 25, 2008 10:48 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Beat you to it

;)

I took the "under".

by winningugly on Apr 25, 2008 10:50 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

But I think...

that Konerko will be worse at age 36 than Thomas is at age 39. They’re basically equivalent hitters right now.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Apr 25, 2008 10:56 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I might take issue with that

but you have to admit that Paulie can still play 1B and gets “hurt” less than Frank. (Yeah, I know he has no range, but it’s better than playing Thome there.)

I took the "under".

by winningugly on Apr 25, 2008 11:30 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Sure...

but will that still be true in 3-4 years? I don’t know.

I was always against the Konerko contract. There are always guys floating around that can hit.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Apr 25, 2008 11:32 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I recall you are on record saying that

and I respectfully disagree. So be it.

I took the "under".

by winningugly on Apr 25, 2008 11:37 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I disagree also. Kenny's decision to sign him was fine at the time

And why do we care about 3-4 years? His contract is up in 2010.

by Tdogg on Apr 25, 2008 11:44 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Thanks.

We’ll leave it at that – I don’t want larry yelling at me for repeating myself again.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Apr 25, 2008 11:47 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

stop repeating yourself about me yelling at you about repeating yourself

i don’t want to have to repeat myself.

i blame juan uribe

by larry on Apr 25, 2008 11:49 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That was not the main point

I was after. I just thought that it would make sense under some circumstances to trade Josh. If that was unclear, I blame Los Angeles.

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Apr 25, 2008 1:19 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I was thinking the same thing really

I think if the Sox hang on the edge of contention, Fields/Poreda/Shelby are unlikely to finish 2008 in the Sox organization.

I think the return would be disappointing. Poreda is struggling and he got the Sox West Coast scout canned for drafting him. And larry posted a scout mentioning Fields maxing out as a .240 hitter.

I would guess that trio could pull in someone like Kevin Millwood, but that might be optimistic.

by hitlesswonder on Apr 25, 2008 8:22 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Fields is untouchable with Crede's contract status up in the air...

Kenny isn’t going to trade Fields without Crede being locked up. I really don’t think Kenny wants Crede over Fields for next season and in the future anyways. I would be surprised if he trades Poreda as well. I’m sure Kenny would trade Shelby in a second though.

by SSH2005 on Apr 25, 2008 8:31 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

No one is untouchable

Kenny is playing for 2008 not 2009. Plus you are overrating Fields—I’m sure the Sox internal scouting is that Fields will be a .240ish hitter with plus power who will have trouble sticking at 3B. If he can be moved for someone that might get the Sox to the playoffs, he’s gone. The Sox can worry about 3B next year.

by hitlesswonder on Apr 25, 2008 9:38 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, Poreda is really struggling...

a 2.35 ERA and a 4/11 BB/K ratio is awful. The Sox should definitely dump him for a bucket of baseballs.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Apr 25, 2008 10:22 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

he does have the advantage

of having that horrible outing that got rained out erased.

i blame juan uribe

by larry on Apr 25, 2008 10:38 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

True...

but he’s pitched very well since then.

He’s hardly a bust draft pick.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Apr 25, 2008 10:40 AM CDT