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Game 24: White Sox (13-10) vs. Orioles (14-10)

Acmilan_tiny by The Wizard on in Game Threads Comment 201 comments

Baltimore Orioles @ Chicago White Sox


Jose Contreras (RHP) vs. Jeremy Guthrie (RHP)

Time: 1:05 p.m. CT, TV: CSN, Radio: WSCR AM-670 (B-R preview, Live Boxscore; 2007 MLB Gameday; 2008 MLB Gameday)

Today's Starters

W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
Jose Contreras 1-2 4 4 0 0 0 0 25.0 27 14 13 1 8 13 4.68 1.40
Jeremy Guthrie 0-2 5 5 0 0 0 0 32.1 34 18 15 5 9 15 4.18 1.33

Lineup

Baltimore Orioles @ Chicago White Sox

04/27/08 1:05 PM CDT

Baltimore Orioles Chicago White Sox
Brian Roberts - 2B Nick Swisher - RF
Melvin Mora - 3B Orlando Cabrera - SS
Nick Markakis - RF Jim Thome - DH
Aubrey Huff - 1B Paul Konerko - 1B
Jay Payton - LF AJ Pierzynski - C
Luke Scott - DH Carlos Quentin - LF
Adam Jones - CF Alexei Ramirez - 2B
Ramon Hernandez - C Brian Anderson - CF
Brandon Fahey - SS Pablo Ozuna - 3B

GO SOX!

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Outside of Ozuna replacing Crede, I kind of like this line up

by joewho112 on Apr 27, 2008 1:08 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Question

Does Quentin have a better arm than Swisher? Why is Swisher in right and Q is left?

by joewho112 on Apr 27, 2008 1:09 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the probably just want

quentin to get comfortable playing left right now. no need to move him around yet.

by Jbasic89 on Apr 27, 2008 1:25 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Robbed AGAIN.

Dadgummit!

gonna out-engery a lot of guys, simply by over-attituding them.

by defensive indifference on Apr 27, 2008 1:18 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No Jazz hands?

Has he lost his starting role?

by gamara21 on Apr 27, 2008 1:18 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No lineup today?

"I'll bring the awesome." -The 'Swish'

by Hazymania on Apr 27, 2008 1:33 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

just fixed it!

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Apr 27, 2008 2:51 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I love it Wiz.

I say it here and it comes out there.

You’re A-OK in my book.

"I'll bring the awesome." -The 'Swish'

by Hazymania on Apr 27, 2008 3:08 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Did Hawk just say what I think he just said?

He thinks OBP is overrated?

"I'll bring the awesome." -The 'Swish'

by Hazymania on Apr 27, 2008 1:35 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He did

Just before Konerko’s homerun.

"I'll bring the awesome." -The 'Swish'

by Hazymania on Apr 27, 2008 1:47 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the worst part is i don't think he means

that every team in the mlb has been clued into it now and it’s value is being overbought to the detriment of other abilities. he probably meant, obp: what’s the big deal?

Ahh, Good times...

by MarketMaker on Apr 27, 2008 2:00 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tater mashed.

gonna out-engery a lot of guys, simply by over-attituding them.

by defensive indifference on Apr 27, 2008 1:35 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Are we watching the same game?

or were you being sarcastic? I saw several fat pitches. Even Hawk mentioned that and you know he is not going to sell out a Sox player.

by CatBrains on Apr 27, 2008 1:45 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Better him

than fat@ss at second…..

by gamara21 on Apr 27, 2008 1:47 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why?

Just one reason.

gonna out-engery a lot of guys, simply by over-attituding them.

by defensive indifference on Apr 27, 2008 1:48 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Potential

Uribe is a known and mediocre player. Alexei might be good. Very little harm in finding out

by joewho112 on Apr 27, 2008 1:49 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah... but we should find that out at AAA first

He isn’t as good as Uribe defensively (and probably never will be) and offensively he has shown nothing to suggest he would be an improvement over Uribe for the next few months.

by CatBrains on Apr 27, 2008 1:51 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Right now...

I think I’d prefer Ozuna at 2B everyday over either of those two.

by vince_ on Apr 27, 2008 1:52 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No thanks.

Much worse in the field and probably only marginally better at the plate.

gonna out-engery a lot of guys, simply by over-attituding them.

by defensive indifference on Apr 27, 2008 1:53 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Have you seen Uribe swing recently?

He looks like he has fallen off a cliff.

by vince_ on Apr 27, 2008 1:55 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree to a certain extent. I do agree that Alexei needs at bats whether here or in AAA. But I see little downside in taking ABs from Uribe. His defense is that valuable and his hitting is about as bad as you can expect from Alexei

by joewho112 on Apr 27, 2008 1:55 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Typo

His defense isN’T that valuable

by joewho112 on Apr 27, 2008 1:55 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

nothing to suggest he would be an improvement over Uribe

Umm….for one, Alexei swings the bat normally…
Plus he runs faster than Uribe and doesn’t look like a lizard while doing so….

And just because someone does well in AAA doesn’t mean that will transfer to the bigs.
No need to send him down – looking at him right here works just fine.

by swishit on Apr 27, 2008 1:58 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I dont know what "normally" means

but in his last AB he swung out of his shoes several times, and as I said above, he had pitches to hit and didn’t even make contact on a few.

Also I think it is a bit absurd to assume that forcing him to first acclimate himself to AAA pitching couldn’t help him eventually in the majors. Why do you think the minor leagues are there in the first place? People need to move up the ladder step by step (given that of course some steps can be skipped by exceptional players). Now Alexei was a bit of an unknown commodity coming into the season as has been discussed. He had a good spring and he could play multiple positions so the Sox gave him a shot at starting in the Bigs. By now he has shown that he has been overmatched even with Ozzie giving him spot starts against pitchers which he should have the highest likelihood of success. Now the Sox need to realize he needed to start at a lower rung in the ladder and climb his way up.

by CatBrains on Apr 27, 2008 2:15 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But Uribe's fat!

"I'll bring the awesome." -The 'Swish'

by Hazymania on Apr 27, 2008 2:28 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You aren't using the phrase "Case in point" correctly

http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/case+in+point

You are quoting me (and changing my meaning in the process) in an attempt to make me look foolish, but your original “point” was not that I am a fool, it was that Alexei should be batting instead of Uribe. Therefore you have done nothing to justify your “Case in point” comment. (Something that would have justified such a comment would be Alexei having a good at bat or Uribe having a terrible one).

So I will here clarify my words and say that instead of “I don’t know what ‘normally’ means,” I should have said “I don’t know what you mean by ‘normally’”

And next time you reply to someone with some snarky comment, you should make sure you use your idioms correctly so you don’t appear foolish.

by CatBrains on Apr 27, 2008 2:49 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cat for Brains... yes... very funny... original too

But, I think the meaning of what I said was clear, and even if it wasn’t, I corrected myself.

However my being clear or not being clear has nothing to do with you being snarky while also incorrectly invoking an idiom, when I was simply trying to argue my point.

by CatBrains on Apr 27, 2008 3:06 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So obviously you've been ranked before

You basically ripped what I said, then made your remark in whatever context you did or didn’t mean.

I can’t read your mind, nor would I want to.

But just because YOU made a “mistake”, and I replied to it, don’t come crying to ME about it….
I was not being snarky – I was actually making a point.

So let it go already….go have a beer or something.

Geesh.

by swishit on Apr 27, 2008 3:13 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not being snarky?

So you literally thought I was not aware of what the word “normally” means? That was the “point” you were making? I don’t see how that “point” is relevant to the conversation we were having. You were in fact not making a “point” at all. You were using a quote (which I admit I could have originally made clearer and I corrected myself since then) to be dismissive of my argument and I find that to be snarky and it irritates me enough to point out your misuse of the idiom.

And aside from all that mess, what make you think I am not having a beer already?

by CatBrains on Apr 27, 2008 3:25 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wonder why

Fields hasnt been given an opportunity to play 2B. Isnt 2B easier to field then 3B or SS?

by gamara21 on Apr 27, 2008 1:59 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well... techinically yes

2B is easier than SS but not 3B… and since you asked OR I guess yes would be the answer.

by CatBrains on Apr 27, 2008 2:02 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no

3rd needs a better arm, outside of that…2nd is harder.

MrROFL.com
My Twitter

by shaftr on Apr 27, 2008 2:01 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Contreras is diddling around the edges

and when he does it ends up hurting us. Challenge the batters! Contreras, Vazquez, Danks and Floyd all could use that advise, I believe.

by floridajim on Apr 27, 2008 2:00 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Steals

Are these steals because of Guthrie or Hernandez?

by joewho112 on Apr 27, 2008 2:07 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There's a BA catch

No other Sox outfielder would make.

Never trust a big butt and a smile.
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Apr 27, 2008 2:13 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Win this.

Win this baseball game, please.

gonna out-engery a lot of guys, simply by over-attituding them.

by defensive indifference on Apr 27, 2008 2:15 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

did Paulie even take his bat off his shoulder that AB?

by blackSox07 on Apr 27, 2008 2:19 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That was my strategy in Little League

I took a lot of walks, but was rarely described as having “gap power”

by CatBrains on Apr 27, 2008 2:22 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Goofy:

http://www.louisgray.com/graphics/antics_28.jpg

gonna out-engery a lot of guys, simply by over-attituding them.

by defensive indifference on Apr 27, 2008 2:22 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Alexi is badly

overmatched up here and should be learning more with Charlotte, shouldn’t he? His speed helped avoid the out, however.

by floridajim on Apr 27, 2008 2:25 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's not having a great game today

but he’s been really strong in other games.

by swishit on Apr 27, 2008 2:29 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I doubt it...

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Apr 27, 2008 6:23 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wow

They never call that. Finally got a break from the Umps.

by madvillian on Apr 27, 2008 2:25 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

kinda funny

just jumped onto camden chat (o’s sb site) to see what they thought of that sac bunt after the roberts walk in the first. they weren’t happy, but that quickly just turned to ripping on alexei, swish and hawk and dj. i don’t mean a little bit either, the basball was secondary to the rip parade. some of it pretty funny, too.

Ahh, Good times...

by MarketMaker on Apr 27, 2008 2:27 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Man, that's harsh.

They said Alexi looks like a ‘retard’. Brilliant commentary over three.

gonna out-engery a lot of guys, simply by over-attituding them.

by defensive indifference on Apr 27, 2008 2:41 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

come on

the lack of hitting with RISP is killing this team right now. You got good players in the top half of the lineup consistantly getting on for the shitty bottom half that can’t do anything with them. It’s like trying to score big innings with half a MLB roster.

by madvillian on Apr 27, 2008 2:27 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Call me crazy

But I’d rather see Uribe up there than Pablo. I’d rather see Bourgious up as well.

by madvillian on Apr 27, 2008 2:28 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

paaaaaaaaaaaa-

-thetic

"I'll bring the awesome." -The 'Swish'

by Hazymania on Apr 27, 2008 2:29 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wtf

is Ozuna playing back on the grass for. I guess he’s trying to prevent the double, but it’s not like he’s the type of 3b that cat play deep and make up for it.

by madvillian on Apr 27, 2008 2:34 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's not a huge deal

And in general I have no problem playing back trying to take away extra base hits down the line. I guess I just can’t stand Ozuna.

by madvillian on Apr 27, 2008 2:41 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

been tracking the draft all day..

just started watching the game, how has count looked?

by Sox Fan Louie on Apr 27, 2008 2:35 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

pretty good

by my estimation anyway

"I'll bring the awesome." -The 'Swish'

by Hazymania on Apr 27, 2008 3:10 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Make or break Inning

Top of the order vs. a pitcher with a pretty high pitch count. Best chance to do some damage

by joewho112 on Apr 27, 2008 2:40 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thome gets the hat trick

“CHANGEUP MAKE BATS AFRAID.”

by vince_ on Apr 27, 2008 2:40 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Orca

needs some rest…........

by gamara21 on Apr 27, 2008 2:41 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nice inning for Jose

Maybe a little offense would be good….
....right about now….

by swishit on Apr 27, 2008 2:48 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Paulie!

gonna out-engery a lot of guys, simply by over-attituding them.

by defensive indifference on Apr 27, 2008 2:50 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

defensive indifference....

..heard your crony got ejected yesterday?

by doorpeep on Apr 27, 2008 2:52 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hahaha.

I don’t know that dude.

gonna out-engery a lot of guys, simply by over-attituding them.

by defensive indifference on Apr 27, 2008 2:54 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh...

somebody Doorpeep and I know in the real world.

gonna out-engery a lot of guys, simply by over-attituding them.

by defensive indifference on Apr 27, 2008 2:58 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and he comes through!

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Apr 27, 2008 2:57 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ain’t nothin’ but a Q thang.

by thecip on Apr 27, 2008 2:57 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

CQ looks like he knows what to do at bat

vs Alexi and Brian who look lost frequently. Change that this at bat.

by floridajim on Apr 27, 2008 2:58 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes!

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Apr 27, 2008 2:59 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's what we need.

Points!

gonna out-engery a lot of guys, simply by over-attituding them.

by defensive indifference on Apr 27, 2008 2:59 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lucky break there...

but I’ll take it!

Hustle by CQ to really take advantage, though.

by vince_ on Apr 27, 2008 2:59 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why not have Brian hang with Carlos

maybe something will rub off and then we’ll have two good ones.

by floridajim on Apr 27, 2008 3:00 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wtf

feyhee doing trying to go home there, take it though.

by madvillian on Apr 27, 2008 3:01 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Quentin

is the best 5 tool player in the organization, amazing trade by KW to take advantage of Arizona’s glut of young outfielder studs.

by madvillian on Apr 27, 2008 3:02 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What's happening?

Gameday loves freezing up when stuff starts happening

by joewho112 on Apr 27, 2008 3:03 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

jesus christ

Swisher is mashing the ball and has one double to show for it.

by madvillian on Apr 27, 2008 3:04 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Now...

...let’s see if they can prevent blowing a Contreras quality start.

Never trust a big butt and a smile.
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Apr 27, 2008 3:05 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Let's

see if count can prevent blowing a quality start.

by madvillian on Apr 27, 2008 3:06 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Contreras gave the Sox six

I no longer hold him accountable for on-field events.

Remember the hand motion Terrence Mann does when leaving the minibus after going to the Red Sox game with Ray Kinsella? That’s my attitude.

Never trust a big butt and a smile.
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Apr 27, 2008 3:09 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That is one of the finest obscure references

ever, Jim. You Gentleman Masher, you.

I took the "under".

by winningugly on Apr 27, 2008 4:41 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's here that quickly!?

Christ.

gonna out-engery a lot of guys, simply by over-attituding them.

by defensive indifference on Apr 27, 2008 3:10 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They got a lot of practice

Shipping relievers between Charlotte and Chicago last year. They’re good at it.

Never trust a big butt and a smile.
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Apr 27, 2008 3:11 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hahahahaha.

Touche!

gonna out-engery a lot of guys, simply by over-attituding them.

by defensive indifference on Apr 27, 2008 3:12 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think

this is a mistake letting count pitch here.

by madvillian on Apr 27, 2008 3:12 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ok

ozzie heard me, good.

by madvillian on Apr 27, 2008 3:12 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Perfect

First sign of trouble after the sixth in a close game, yank him.

Never trust a big butt and a smile.
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Apr 27, 2008 3:12 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agree

And if Wasserman could become the 7th inning guy that would be huge.

by madvillian on Apr 27, 2008 3:14 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe not

didn’t look so good today

by swishit on Apr 27, 2008 3:17 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not good.

Pitching and defense.

by ballyb on Apr 27, 2008 3:17 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Got Squeezed

In his first batter of the year, tough luck. I’m feeling pretty good about Thornton here though.

by madvillian on Apr 27, 2008 3:18 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah but

you felt good about wasserman…
before he sucked…

by swishit on Apr 27, 2008 3:20 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

K!

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Apr 27, 2008 3:21 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Chicago Tough!

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Apr 27, 2008 3:22 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jose's ERA under 4 after today's outing

So that’s nice to look at.

"I'll bring the awesome." -The 'Swish'

by Hazymania on Apr 27, 2008 3:27 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wassermann is here and will help us

I am so happy to see MacDougald gone that The Wass has to be an improvement.

by floridajim on Apr 27, 2008 3:29 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There's the smart baserunning

Cabrera is known for.

Never trust a big butt and a smile.
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Apr 27, 2008 3:30 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Somebody smartly palced

that material that makes pitchers walk batters in the VIS bullpen.

Pitching and defense.

by ballyb on Apr 27, 2008 3:31 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

took one

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Apr 27, 2008 3:36 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

chased one

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Apr 27, 2008 3:37 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's the Master.

gonna out-engery a lot of guys, simply by over-attituding them.

by defensive indifference on Apr 27, 2008 3:39 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

haha. he is the human dartboard.

by thecip on Apr 27, 2008 3:40 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Carlos “Skee Ball” Quentin.

by thecip on Apr 27, 2008 3:40 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Was the HBP super cheap?

"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "

by onlysoxfaninboston on Apr 27, 2008 3:41 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nope.

Square in the back.

Never trust a big butt and a smile.
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Apr 27, 2008 3:42 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

haha

"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "

by onlysoxfaninboston on Apr 27, 2008 3:42 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gamethread #2

http://www.southsidesox.com/2008/4/27/461859/game-24-gamethread-2

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Apr 27, 2008 3:46 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We cannot continue winning if this hitting doesn't get better

Swisher, RF 0.235
Cabrera 0.228
Thome 0.222
Konerko 0.218
Pierzynski 0.325
Quentin 0.288
Ramirez 0.138
Anderson 0.182
Ozuna 0.222

Pitching and defense.

by ballyb on Apr 27, 2008 3:46 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

doesn't OBP look good though?

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Apr 27, 2008 3:49 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Some yes, some no.

Not sure the Sox walk rate is sustainable.

Pitching and defense.

by ballyb on Apr 27, 2008 3:53 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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