Game 25: White Sox (14-10) vs. Orioles (14-11)
by The Wizard on Apr 28, 2008 12:00 PM CDT
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PrintBaltimore Orioles at Chicago White Sox, Apr 28, 2008 1:05 PM CDT
Javier Vazquez (RHP) vs. Daniel Cabrera (RHP)
Time: 1:05 p.m. CT, TV: CSN, Radio: WSCR AM-670 (B-R preview, Live Boxscore; 2007 MLB Gameday; 2008 MLB Gameday)
GO SOX!
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wgn
Does anyone know when the next game on WGN is…Im outta town for awhile but still get WGN…wanna watch to the games opposed to just listenin on the radio
Ground ball to first, and the White Sox have won the Pennant!
by beanohatesthecubs on Apr 28, 2008 12:03 PM CDT reply actions
here's a link
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
danny cabrera
the sox should not even lift their bats off their shoulders until this guy shows he can throw strikes. he’s had surprising control the last few games but i don’t buy it lasting based on his history. hopefully the sox are the team to get him back off track.
free jason bourgeois
Indeed...
He still has great stuff but he can’t get it over the plate consistently. But when he is getting it over the plate, he is almost unhittable. I would love to see what a good pitching coach could do for him.
glad to see you give the orioles' management the same benefit of the doubt you give the sox'
free jason bourgeois
I can't complain...
Danks and Floyd look great and Contreras is even pitching decently. Buehrle and Vazquez will come around.
it was a "baseball" decision
only to the extent that trembley apparently didn’t like mazzone’s style. or, perhaps more appropriately, saw mazzone as a bigger figure than him and a holdover from perlozzo and, thus, a threat. obviously it’s not good for two guys in those positions to not be able to work together for whatever reason. but trembley (and maybe mazzone) perhaps should have made a better effort to get it to work. mazzone is obviously a better coach, setting aside these other differences, than kranitz.
free jason bourgeois
LOL!
Who didn’t see that coming?
I took the "under".
by winningugly on Apr 28, 2008 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
Leo didn’t too much for him or the staff for that matter. Where is Leo now? Out of baseball?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Apr 28, 2008 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Same can be said about Vazquez right now
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Apr 28, 2008 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
That's all we have.
What have you done for me lately? Leo Mazzone? POS, knows nothing.
Sheesh.
I took the "under".
by winningugly on Apr 28, 2008 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
schuerholz? never heard of him.
yeah, no one gave that guy any credit whatsoever. totally unsung hero.
free jason bourgeois
I'm sure you know this, SSH, yet at the risk of being redundant:
“In his book, The Baseball Economist J.C. Bradbury titles a chapter, “How Good is Leo Mazzone?” Using statistical analysis, he analyzes whether Mazzone had a significant impact upon the pitchers that he coached. The sample is all pitchers who have pitched at least one year under Mazzone and one year under a different pitching coach. Bradbury found that Mazzone lowered the ERA of pitchers by an average of .64 points, and that after leaving Mazzone, pitchers’ ERA increased by an average of .78 points. Bradbury believes that such an impact is deserving of Hall of Fame consideration. [2]”
What WOULD we do with an extra .64 run/game?
I took the "under".
by winningugly on Apr 28, 2008 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Hmm
So how do they control for age and park factors? Those would be my questions, and I’d use something better than ERA to show effectiveness.
And league
I mean, how many pitchers came from the AL that Mazzone then took over? An ERA drop is expected regardless of how good he is.
And I’m not saying there isn’t a demonstrable effect from Mazzone. I’m just skeptical until soundly proven.
do you seriously think
someone would do a study without attempting to account for these things?
free jason bourgeois
The numbers wouldn't prove it, anyway
They’d just confirm a likelihood or trend. Do with it what you will. The point is, he’s not an idiot, and some folks believe, and numbers support, he brought a great deal of value to his pitchers.
It’d be interesting to see what Coop’s numbers would look like with the same study.
I took the "under".
here
http://baseballanalysts.com/archives/2005/03/the_mazzone_eff_1.php
and a critique.
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/the-baseball-economist/
there’s too much smoke here for there not to be a fire. how big the effect is, well, that’s another matter.
free jason bourgeois
Dueling weather sites once again.
Accuweather.com — this afternoon – cloudy (no rain) except in the 3PM to 4PM hour when it will rain.
Weather.com—rain ALL AFTERNOON, thundershowers from 1PM to 3PM.
Pitching and defense.
Standing water on the warning track, but it sounds like they are going to give it a go.
"You might be impressed with your analysis, but I am not. Stop wasting my time." - Chris De Luca
Ed Knows
Farmer just said on the radio that the game will be played eventually but that right now the infield is covered. They are waiting for that fabled “window” to get going. Its really crummy outside right now. I’m glad I’m not out there watching this one but I don’t want a rain-out either. Baltimore is not coming back anytime this year, so scheduling a make-up would stink. They’ll wait a long time to get this in.
Think they'll have to wait a long, long time.
Radar shows the storm rotating, with 35th and Shields as the eye.
Pitching and defense.
Raining here in beautiful Naperville
How’s the “crowd” looking? 5,000?
"We're gonna bring it all day, everyday...we're gonna keep grinding it out." - Nick Swisher (4/1/08)
I Just Read
About the injury. Thanks guys. I didn’t realize he left Thursday’s game. Said he’d be ready for today, but I’ll take him in the Twins series, no complaints.
he is "ready"
ozzie’s doing his usual one more day than he needs thing. also, this isn’t exactly the weather for testing a leg injury. i’d imagine he’s available to PH, should the need arise. but fielding? no way. not on this grass.
free jason bourgeois
seems like that works out pretty well
the one more day policy
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
Is Juan officially
“grabbing some bench”?
"We're gonna bring it all day, everyday...we're gonna keep grinding it out." - Nick Swisher (4/1/08)
Maybe Ozzie changed his mind about caring about
offense from the #9 hitter and Juan sits.
Show mercy. I get to watch the Rangers.
by Tim from Texas on Apr 28, 2008 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Did Ozzie actually say that he was benching Uribe?
Just curious because I haven’t read Ozzie’s comments lately.
He should give Barry Bonds a call
That kid is skinny…just like Sosa in his much younger years.
Then Sammy worked out really hard and got himself some muscles…ha, ha, ha!
"We're gonna bring it all day, everyday...we're gonna keep grinding it out." - Nick Swisher (4/1/08)
I saw Sammy in a FL spring training game in the late '80's
when he was with TX. I may be wrong, but I think he was 19 or 20 at the time. Thin, ropelike frame, had the same strut as a peacock. A Brian Anderson-like walk. Not a mesomorph by any means.
Supplements rule!
Alexei needs to go to Uribe’s nutritionist for 10% of the time Juan has spent with him/her. Juan is proof you CAN have too much of a good thing.
I took the "under".
KFC has nutritionists on staff?
"We're gonna bring it all day, everyday...we're gonna keep grinding it out." - Nick Swisher (4/1/08)
And Pizza Hut
"We're gonna bring it all day, everyday...we're gonna keep grinding it out." - Nick Swisher (4/1/08)
I Just Read
About the injury. Thanks guys. I didn’t realize he left Thursday’s game. Said he’d be ready for today, but I’ll take him in the Twins series, no complaints.
Anyone see this travashamockery?
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/news/fab_fifteen.jsp
I know the (D) Rays aren’t quite getting the love yet, but wouldn’t you expect some thought to be thrown into a ranking system made on MLB.com?
I’m not necessarily saying they are better than the BoSox, but at this point in time I’d say they are at least in the top half of the league.
It's been Snowing
Since at least 9 this morning an hour west of Chicago, no rain though. Either way it’s basically a blizzard outside, so they couldn’t play in this weather anyway. Closer to the city it sounds like it’s raining.
by Grinder in Training on Apr 28, 2008 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
between a mist and a drizzle in the loop right now,
if they can get rid of the standing water they could play in this.
White Sox | Quentin, others to be encouraged to run more
The Associated Press reports Chicago White Sox manager Ozzie Guillen said he’s going to push OF Carlos Quentin and others to steal more bases. “We’re slow,” Guillen said. “You watch the same game I watch. We don’t have a speedy team like Tampa Bay or Minnesota. But one thing we do, so far, we run the bases well. I want to push Quentin and a couple other guys to steal more bases. I don’t want people to come in to town and think if we don’t hit home runs, we’re not going to score.”
I don’t think encouraging Q to run is a good thing
if the throw wasn’t off yesterday Q would have been out comfortably
Q is fine doing what he’s doing
I’m afraid this will make more harm than good if implemented
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
Q running more
While my mancrush is slowly moving from Joe Crede to Q, I don’t think the guy should run “more,” but at opportune times is fine – pitchers napping, catchers with rag arms, etc. As already pointed out, he got a really nice jump and still would have been pegged easily if it wasn’t for a lousy throw.
Am I imaging things, or is Q’s approach at the plate extremely similar to Jose Conseco? Crouched down, waving the bat, with a quick, powerful swing.
"We're gonna bring it all day, everyday...we're gonna keep grinding it out." - Nick Swisher (4/1/08)
RE: Canseco
That is a reasonable comp, unfortunately Quentin has already passed Canseco’s 40-40 year in terms of age.
As for the other stuff: large frame, decent speed for his size, good outfield arm, plate discipline, plus power. I doubt Quentin will ever hit the 40 homerun mark, but I wouldn’t be super shocked if it happened. If he is really beyond all his injuries, then he may finally be able to fully to tap the power potential.
On the plus side
Q is not an admitted steroid user or to my knowledge a complete douche bag. To get to 40 home runs naturally isn’t very common. If Q gets on base at a high percentage and hit just 30 HR’s he’s still a steal for us.
by Grinder in Training on Apr 28, 2008 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Q: coiled cobra waiting to strike
I think Q has the most intimidating batting stance of any white sox player.
anyone know about what time things are lookin to clear up, maybe play a little baseball
Ground ball to first, and the White Sox have won the Pennant!
by beanohatesthecubs on Apr 28, 2008 2:41 PM CDT reply actions
per gonzales
The White Sox announced that they hope to start Monday’s game against Baltimore shortly after 3 p.m., as they anticipate the rain to stop shortly.
free jason bourgeois
Rain might stop.
But radar shows snow south of Madison, heading this way.
Pitching and defense.
HSN, guys selling woks and spray-on hair infomercials.
Pitching and defense.
Deadliest Catch
Neweason on Discovery Channel…sweet.
"We're gonna bring it all day, everyday...we're gonna keep grinding it out." - Nick Swisher (4/1/08)
Make that "New Season"
"We're gonna bring it all day, everyday...we're gonna keep grinding it out." - Nick Swisher (4/1/08)
Chris Stewart back in the majors...
Yankees purchased the contract of catcher Chris Stewart from Triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre.
Stewart’s stay figures to be a short one if Chad Moeller clears waivers. If some team decides to pick up Moeller, then Stewart could stick as Jose Molina’s backup. The Yankees would look to upgrade, but Stewart’s as good of an option as any free agent, assuming that Damian Miller can’t be coaxed out of retirement.
Anyone think SSH's kids are going to have body issues?
Never trust a big butt and a smile.
Sox Machine
LOL!!!
“Puke, you little b@$tard! You are NOT tipping the scale at 10 lbs. at age 3 months!”
I took the "under".
Ah okay...
I never even saw how the Yankees acquired Stewart. I just noticed that the Rangers DFA’ed him.
Rain Delay Theater
So, which Sox player has initiated this new maneuver whereby, after a great play, hit, etc. you twirl in the air and bump hips? I’m guessing Swish.
"We're gonna bring it all day, everyday...we're gonna keep grinding it out." - Nick Swisher (4/1/08)
Probably
My dad said Swisher did it with Herm, which I want to see badly.
Never trust a big butt and a smile.
Sox Machine
I've seen less likely candidates doing it like Paulie
I fear one of the older guys may eventually injure himself.
Good to see the dugout “loose.”
"We're gonna bring it all day, everyday...we're gonna keep grinding it out." - Nick Swisher (4/1/08)
i saw buehrle
nearly knock paulie down the clubhouse steps after one of his homers yesterday. but i’ll take the risk with the enthusiasm.
just saw a zero in the top of the 1st
"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "
by onlysoxfaninboston on Apr 28, 2008 3:18 PM CDT reply actions
or
that’s what happens when you start a game – after a delay – with the home pitcher retiring the first three batters.
"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "
by onlysoxfaninboston on Apr 28, 2008 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions
from the gameday graphic, that ball 4 to BA looked like a strike
but I’ll take it!
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.
Ed Farmer wants you to know:
Daniel Cabrera is 6’9’’. Apparently this needs to be noted every 3 minutes.
At least Ramirez lasted
six pitches. Uribe would have popped up to 2nd on the first pitch. (if that is any consolation)
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Apr 28, 2008 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions
In general, making contact is better than striking out 24/7...
Obviously not all contact is good but the more you hit the ball, the more chances you have of actually getting a hit. Hard to get hits when you are missing the pitch by a foot.
Sorry, Juan Uribe is not Adam Dunn...
He doesn’t walk a lot to make up for his pathetic strikeouts. He just hits the random ¡Profundo! which hasn’t really happened much this season. I would rather see what someone else can do. I know you were on the Uribe bandwagon from the beginning so now you have to stay on it or look stupid, but come on…
Uribe Bandwagon?!
There was one? Sure glad I missed that stop!
I’d rather get ice picked in the groin than take a ride on that one…
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Apr 28, 2008 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions
ah, the george bush of the board
black or white. you’re either with SSH or you’re against him.
free jason bourgeois
Absolutely
We were 4th grade Crosley League runner up! They wouldn’t let me pitch more than 4 innings in the championship because of some stupid pitch count rule. Needless to say all those curves I through as a little leaguer haven’t helped the tendinitis in my shoulder.
Always take a pitch and make contact!
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Apr 28, 2008 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions
shouldn't be that hard when the first two are on 2nd and 3rd ;)
Not that I expect that situation to become habit
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.
Would'nt be surprised
if this is Ramirez final look see before Richar comes back. Maybe Ramirez goes to minors, Uribe released and Fields brought up.
LOL!
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
So, anyone watching at home?
What’s the attendance look like?
I’m at the O-fice in Rosemont, and we’ve had snow coming down since about 10 minutes ago.
Not a great day for baseball…
Nobody in the outfield, sparse down the lines,
marginally better than sparse in boxes, not sure in uppers.
3000 – 5000 in the park I would guess.
Pitching and defense.
Snow?
I was born and raised about 50 miles south of the U.P. and we hardly ever got snow this late in the year.
Has to be an extreme rarity for Chicago.
Have you ever heard of Global Warming?
Pitching and defense.
Yea
I thought it uh, made things warmer, you know, like less conducive to snow in late April. Although basing global climate change on local short term weather is pretty dumb.
global warming is a scam
if you believe michael crichton
"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "
by onlysoxfaninboston on Apr 28, 2008 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, well
he also thought dinosaurs were real.
by ReservoirDog on Apr 28, 2008 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions
so does 99.9% of the scientific community
"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "
by onlysoxfaninboston on Apr 28, 2008 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions
haha
"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "
by onlysoxfaninboston on Apr 28, 2008 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions
In a few years Canadiens
will be vacationing in the UP in January and February.
Pitching and defense.
CQ is quietly becoming the Sox best player
his BA is now up over .285
His OPS isn't over 1?
he sucks! bring up owens so he can run really fast back to the dugout
by whitesoxmatt on Apr 28, 2008 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Single to right by Q!.
Walker must really be pissed. 100 laps around US Cell for him.
Pitching and defense.
crede taking a cue from q
"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "
by onlysoxfaninboston on Apr 28, 2008 4:12 PM CDT reply actions
No...no...no
The only player worse than Anderson is Uribe. that’s the storyline we’re going with on here….
by hitlesswonder on Apr 28, 2008 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I like Alexei
but I’m gettin sick of seeing him end innings for the Sox with men on…
well put
"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "
by onlysoxfaninboston on Apr 28, 2008 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Taught that in Little League
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Apr 28, 2008 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Well...
Alexei has shown he swings first pitch. It would have been nice to keep his bat on his shoulder, but I’d have been shocked if he did.
by hitlesswonder on Apr 28, 2008 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions
you mean like in the first AB when he looked at four pitches, including two strikes, to open the AB?
easily shocked, i take it.
free jason bourgeois
Dangerous ground here
But what Ive seen of Ramirez from Spring Training till now is that he often likes to swing first pitch. I’d say over 50% of the time, and I would imagine that he was particularly geeked up with the bases loaded.
So: I may be wrong about the first-pitch swing percentage and I’m projecting with the “geeked up” assessment and “shocked” should have been “surprised”...but I stand behind my irrationally arrived-at observation. Flame away although it’s probably not worth the time.
by hitlesswonder on Apr 28, 2008 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions
pinch-hit pablo?
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
What happened?
For those at work
by Grinder in Training on Apr 28, 2008 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Makes sense
This skyline + lights +making sure you have your footing = not a good day in the outfield
by Grinder in Training on Apr 28, 2008 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Q
How awful does OC have to hit to put Q in the two spot and put Cabrera down in the 8 hole ?
by Grinder in Training on Apr 28, 2008 4:20 PM CDT reply actions
Ozzie seems to respect OBP now...
but he still seems to think that he needs a “great handler of the bat” in the two spot. So stupid.
Well,
From what we’ve seen it’s safe to say OC doesn’t really fit that title.
by Grinder in Training on Apr 28, 2008 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions
looking at that replay
I’ll agree with DJ and cut CQ slack on that
Another good turn by Ramirez.
Pitching and defense.
Just like Urine...nice defense but little offense
but he DOES swing the bat better than Juan…(stale point….sorry)
he hasn't paid
yet
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
didn't you see how well
he handled the bat?
by whitesoxmatt on Apr 28, 2008 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions
And WTF about OC?
he really DOES suck….his BA is dropping like a freekin ROCK
Is Jerry Owens off taking grounders somewhere?
"We're gonna bring it all day, everyday...we're gonna keep grinding it out." - Nick Swisher (4/1/08)
walks the leadoff guy, ozzie says hit and run...
what a clown! how about seeing if he can keep throwing balls? nah, let’s play small ball!
No....but he can walk.... :-)
Paulie might though
Shit
if it weren’t for OC’s brilliant DP, we’d be ahead right now…
gamethread #2
http://www.southsidesox.com/2008/4/28/462569/game-25-gamethread-2
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
Look at this idiot with no shirt on.
Pitching and defense.
I don't listen to Hawk and DJ much.
Wow, are they horrific.
Pitching and defense.
they're allergy inducing...
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
I had tickets for todays game
Decided that I should go to class and didn’t really feel like paying for a tank of gas (I’m from Rockford)... kinda regretting that now
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