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Game 25: Gamethread #2

Lots of baserunners, none have crossed the plate yet though...

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how many innings is that now?

If these guys leave Javy high and dry again I’m gonna be pretty pissed….

by swishit on Apr 28, 2008 4:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Our Offense is

really bad.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Apr 28, 2008 4:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

i know oc hit into the dp, but i blame that inning on ozzie

leadoff walk, pitcher with control problems, and he puts the hit and run on. that’s horseshit. after the dp, he walks another guy. awesome ozzie. so anxious to “manage” he didn’t pay attention to what was going on. that blows.

by MarketMaker on Apr 28, 2008 4:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Didn't he do that in another game recently?

I think in games where the Sox offense struggles Ozzie uses the rule: If “Need To Make Something Happen” and OC (The Bat Handler) is up—> Hit and run. And OC hasn’t handled the bat well either time.

by hitlesswonder on Apr 28, 2008 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

sometimes tough to handle the bat well

when the other team knows what ozzie is likely to do and either pitches out or pitches a nearly unhittable ball (which is what happened in the prior situation to which you refer).

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by larry on Apr 28, 2008 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the predictability of ozzie in these situations is a whole other aspect of the problem

but why would you want to make people swing against a guy with control problems? he’s giving you baserunners and adding to his pitch count and ozzie decides to take the pressure off the pitcher and put it on his hitter. it’s horseshit imo.

by MarketMaker on Apr 28, 2008 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

depends.

people were whining on here earlier about how the sox aren’t hitting the ball enough.

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by larry on Apr 28, 2008 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

shouldn't RS go up due to the low BABIP?

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Apr 28, 2008 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Apr 28, 2008 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

sure

scoring is a bit more of a function of OBP and slugging than it is batting average. i would have thought that would be commonly accepted, at least on this board, by now.

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by larry on Apr 28, 2008 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

do you think the white sox can maintain the same obp/walk rate if they do not begin to hit better?

i know how runs are scored, it just seems unlikely that teams would not challenge the sox more if they do not raise their ba.

by MarketMaker on Apr 28, 2008 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

because there are teams (and i might add, fans) still dumb enough to look at batting average?

again, who cares about that. OBP and slugging are more important. teams often don’t challenge hitters who have low batting averages because – you guessed it – they hit the ball far when you do. this isn’t a jerry owens batting average we’re talking about. there’s some significant punch behind it. worry about slugging and OBP. batting average is cute but it’s usually window dressing.

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by larry on Apr 28, 2008 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Juan Pierre has nothing to do with this argument...

How many runners did we have in scoring position that didn’t score because none of our hitters could manage a measly single? Unless the Sox expect every pitcher to walk or HBP runs in, they better start hitting for some AVG as well. Not every pitcher we face is Daniel “Wild Thing” Cabrera. I realize that OBP and SLG are more important but AVG is important too.

by SSH2005 on Apr 28, 2008 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you want someone to lift the sox' average

there ya go. you want someone to hit a measly single, he’s the poster boy. first or second in the league in singles ever since he became a regular.

always need something to complain about, don’t you? you spent all offseason complaining about sox players like jerry owens and so on who all they can do is hit for average and can’t hit for power or get on base frequently. now that the sox have addressed that concern with marked improvements in both categories, you’re back to batting average.

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by larry on Apr 28, 2008 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't want Juan Pierre...

I want OUR players to lift THEIR batting averages. What is so tough to understand?

So you can only have OBP and SLG and you can’t have all three categories? Quentin seems to get it and he has barely played a full season of baseball.

You are wrong and you are arguing with me just to argue. I’m sure you will have to get the last word in though.

by SSH2005 on Apr 28, 2008 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and you're whining because you want something to whine about

if they were batting .300, you’d start whining about how clutch hitting is really important or some such thing.

free jason bourgeois

by larry on Apr 28, 2008 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So now you are resorting to putting words in my mouth?

Now I know that you have lost the argument.

Thanks and have a great day.

by SSH2005 on Apr 28, 2008 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

That’s very true. Ozzie’s predictability is in those situations is what I was intending to rather mildly criticize.

by hitlesswonder on Apr 28, 2008 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

1-2-3...

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Apr 28, 2008 4:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

what the fuck

Is Ozzie doing? First he comes out and says this is a slow team and blah blah blah he realizes it and blah blah blah they aren’t going to hit and run much. And suddenly CQ needs to steal more bases and we are hitting and running with the middle of the order coming up.

Ozzie drives me crazy with his doubltalk.

by madvillian on Apr 28, 2008 4:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

We really aren't a line drive hitting team

and that means that we’re going to strand runners and GDP

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Apr 28, 2008 4:42 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

LL Cool Q!

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Apr 28, 2008 4:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

SSH2005

Is CQ up over .300 now?

by swishit on Apr 28, 2008 4:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

.303.

OPS – 1.047

Pitching and defense.

by ballyb on Apr 28, 2008 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Build Chicago Tough!

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Apr 28, 2008 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

d'oh!

stupid work responsibilities. i was poised and ready to unleash “Q the fireworks!” the next time Q homered at the cell, and then i miss it to brainstorm article ideas with my boss. life’s not fair.

by Ryno on Apr 28, 2008 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This Q! is good.

Pitching and defense.

by ballyb on Apr 28, 2008 4:45 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If only there were a term

for when a man has a non-sexual crush on another person, who also happens to be a man …

by The Actual El Guapo on Apr 28, 2008 4:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well I just

would like to know if you know what a plethora is. I would not like to think that a person would tell someone he has a plethora, and then find out that that person has no idea what it means to have a plethora.

... or perhaps I am angry at something else, and am just looking to take it out on you.

I blame Uribe.

by The Actual El Guapo on Apr 28, 2008 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Vasquez is dialed in today....

Would love to see the Sox get this one for him

by swishit on Apr 28, 2008 4:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Staters getting the win when they work so hard

really contributes to building confidence as the season goes on, which obviously makes the rotation a lot stronger and feared by opponent hitters…

by swishit on Apr 28, 2008 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Was that

The Hold Steady getting played when the Score came back from a break?

by chrome on Apr 28, 2008 4:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yup.

Better now than against Minnesota.

Never trust a big butt and a smile.
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Apr 28, 2008 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i wouldn't be surprised

whoever does their music has a soft spot for indie rock. i’ve heard built to spill, the shins, and some others i can’t think of at the moment.

by Ryno on Apr 28, 2008 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ben Folds, often.

Never trust a big butt and a smile.
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Apr 28, 2008 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

10% of Chicago knows who Carlos Quentin is.

90% of Chicago knows who Kosuke Fukudome is.

Pitching and defense.

by ballyb on Apr 28, 2008 4:58 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

10% of Chicago knows who Carlos Quentin is.

90% of Chicago knows who Kosuke Fukudome is?

Pitching and defense.

by ballyb on Apr 28, 2008 4:58 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

ozzie is proud...

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Apr 28, 2008 4:59 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Sox need to re-acquire Bradford...

...he’s got facial hair that would really fit in our bullpen.

by vince_ on Apr 28, 2008 5:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

paulie drives in swish!

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Apr 28, 2008 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So

Is there anyone who really would rather see AJ batting ahead of Q at this point? I just pray for no DP so Q gets a chance here.

by madvillian on Apr 28, 2008 5:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Can CQ be the site' mascot now?

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Apr 28, 2008 5:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Already is

as far as I’m concerned…. :-)

by swishit on Apr 28, 2008 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

aye

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Apr 28, 2008 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just hate that AB by A.J.

make him throw a strike….

by stanchar on Apr 28, 2008 5:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

A ducksnort, Q!

Pitching and defense.

by ballyb on Apr 28, 2008 5:15 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice patience by CQ

rest of the team should take notice

by swishit on Apr 28, 2008 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Outside of a few instances

I’d say the Sox taken notice. On the one hand we complain that the Sox can’t maintain their high OBP with such a low average, and on a day they have, what, 8 walks…we’re insinuating the sox aren’t patient enough?

by chrome on Apr 28, 2008 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

with a capital A!

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Apr 28, 2008 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Q walks!

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Apr 28, 2008 5:16 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It does look like hes riding a horse

by thecip on Apr 28, 2008 5:16 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Carlos Quentin

can do no wrong right now, at least at the plate.

by madvillian on Apr 28, 2008 5:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

at the plate or anywhere else

he could kick my ass and fuck my girlfriend and i’d still love the guy.

by Ryno on Apr 28, 2008 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Come on Joe Joe

make this AB count…

by swishit on Apr 28, 2008 5:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

someone update me?

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Apr 28, 2008 5:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Pop out to right.

Pitching and defense.

by ballyb on Apr 28, 2008 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's amazing

How a whole lineup looks different (even with the shitty AAAA we have to trot out there on a day to day basis) when you have a couple more guys that like to take pitches, walk, and hit for power, rather than just slap a infield single once every 10 or so times.

by madvillian on Apr 28, 2008 5:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well

Time for Javier to make it rain on ‘dem hos.

by madvillian on Apr 28, 2008 5:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

We gotta win this.....

crushing loss it would be.

by stanchar on Apr 28, 2008 5:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

someone update me?

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Apr 28, 2008 5:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

FO to BA , 8 - 9 up

Pitching and defense.

by ballyb on Apr 28, 2008 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

K, 9 up.

Pitching and defense.

by ballyb on Apr 28, 2008 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

FO to Q!

Pitching and defense.

by ballyb on Apr 28, 2008 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

K!

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Apr 28, 2008 5:23 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

masset, linebrink up...

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Apr 28, 2008 5:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Seems odd that Nick is up with a start scheduled for Wednesday...

in Minnesota. I’d love to see Broadway get that assignment.

by stanchar on Apr 28, 2008 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe just getting side work in?

Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.

by rhythm on Apr 28, 2008 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

javy: 100 pitches, 66 strikes

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Apr 28, 2008 5:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Given the way the O's have hit Bobby in the past

I’d say that Vazquez is the better option in the 9th.

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Apr 28, 2008 5:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm all for leaving

Javier in to close this one off. First sign of trouble then in comes the big man.

by madvillian on Apr 28, 2008 5:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

As long as two arms are ready in the pen

I’m cool with Javy going out there.

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Apr 28, 2008 5:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

he beats the throw!

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Apr 28, 2008 5:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I like dees kids.

by thecip on Apr 28, 2008 5:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Alexei had some rough Abs today....

but played solid defense and that was nice.

by stanchar on Apr 28, 2008 5:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

and bobby is warming up...

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Apr 28, 2008 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

wait

the missile found the target? sweet.

by madvillian on Apr 28, 2008 5:34 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Not good.

Pitching and defense.

by ballyb on Apr 28, 2008 5:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

So

Today is the type of game that playoff teams win... They’ve sure done everything in their power to make sure they’re in a position to lose this one late.

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Apr 28, 2008 5:37 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

i always thought

the sign of a good team was that it won games when it played poorly?

i suppose how one colors this depends on one’s view of the team.

free jason bourgeois

by larry on Apr 28, 2008 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Three pitches into the ninth

it sure doesn’t look like a win

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Apr 28, 2008 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hmm, they're leading in the top of the ninth

you tell me what the probabilities on this one are, even if roberts scores?

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by larry on Apr 28, 2008 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right now...

I’ve got the O’s at about 65%

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Apr 28, 2008 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

true dat

I understand the late inning bunt, but how often has Swisher bunted?

Oh… 3 times. In almost 2,000 PAs

http://www.baseball-reference.com/s/swishni01.shtml

by krushcuts on Apr 28, 2008 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can’t watch the game on television has it been raining there?

by bberdl20 on Apr 28, 2008 5:37 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

yes

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Apr 28, 2008 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

torpedo boat in the harbor!

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Apr 28, 2008 5:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I called it....

I knew not scoring that extra run was going to hurt us

by Los Soxos on Apr 28, 2008 5:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well...we'll be down at least 1 with

Thome against Sherrill….

So really we’ll be down at least one with 1 out and Konerko up.

by stanchar on Apr 28, 2008 5:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

haha

I always like it when the other team sucks.

by madvillian on Apr 28, 2008 5:42 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

jeebus.

Bobby at 91 with those fastballs?

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Apr 28, 2008 5:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Jenks

Is going for team lead in wins.

by krushcuts on Apr 28, 2008 5:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You gotta put him in...

There’s a reason they are called closers!

by Los Soxos on Apr 28, 2008 5:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

or

you could assess the situation and determine the best possible course of action based on a variety of factors, none of which are the fact that one guy in the bullpen is called the closer. especially when that closer has a recent history of struggling with the guys due up in the 9th.

by Ryno on Apr 28, 2008 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

gotta burn last night's doughnuts...

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Apr 28, 2008 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Q up 4th

this one’s over.

free jason bourgeois

by larry on Apr 28, 2008 5:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I feel bad for Vasquez

and if I were him I’d be throwing stuff at Jenks

by swishit on Apr 28, 2008 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jenks

His k/bb ratio is awful this season.

by shaftr on Apr 28, 2008 5:50 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

i did notice that

but his batted ball distribution is really nice, iirc.

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Apr 28, 2008 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So what do we think of Bobby?

91 is disconcerting, but Roberts has that asshole opposite field thing down.

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Apr 28, 2008 5:50 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

sox cant close the deal

how many baserunners have they had? had the o’s on the ropes in the ninth and couldn’t close the deal

by The Scoper on Apr 28, 2008 5:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Not to mention that the two boppers (30 mil between them)

can’t get it done in these clutch situations

by swishit on Apr 28, 2008 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i don't really care at all about how much money they make

or how they happen to do in any single at bat.

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Apr 28, 2008 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

evidence?

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Apr 28, 2008 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

this is what happens when you leave the midwest

everything you love goes to shit

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Apr 28, 2008 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think

Soulja Boy/Where Triples Go to Die recruited a bunch of his friends

by Ryno on Apr 28, 2008 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, of course you would because quentin is hitting the snot out of the ball right now.

will you say the same thing if he hits .220 in may?

Blood has been shed, Jerry.

by Toonderstrook on Apr 28, 2008 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your probably right. He could, not he would.

I did’nt mean 25-30 in the cell. I should have said 25-30 Hr’s total for the year. And that playing in the cell could aid him in acheiving that.

by SoxfaninAZ on Apr 28, 2008 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey I am really bad at looking up numbers...

can anyone tell me what Thome and Konerko make? The combined number is preferable.

by CatBrains on Apr 28, 2008 5:59 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

wow

no one in the outfield stands at all

by thecip on Apr 28, 2008 5:59 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Wrong.

5 out in RF.

Pitching and defense.

by ballyb on Apr 28, 2008 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i must have blinked as they panned across.

by thecip on Apr 28, 2008 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

gamethread #3

http://www.southsidesox.com/2008/4/28/462613/game-25-gamethread-3

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Apr 28, 2008 6:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

He was safe

Pitching and defense.

by ballyb on Apr 28, 2008 6:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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