Game 25: Gamethread #2
by The Wizard on Apr 28, 2008 4:30 PM CDT
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how many innings is that now?
If these guys leave Javy high and dry again I’m gonna be pretty pissed….
Our Offense is
really bad.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
i know oc hit into the dp, but i blame that inning on ozzie
leadoff walk, pitcher with control problems, and he puts the hit and run on. that’s horseshit. after the dp, he walks another guy. awesome ozzie. so anxious to “manage” he didn’t pay attention to what was going on. that blows.
Didn't he do that in another game recently?
I think in games where the Sox offense struggles Ozzie uses the rule: If “Need To Make Something Happen” and OC (The Bat Handler) is up—> Hit and run. And OC hasn’t handled the bat well either time.
by hitlesswonder on Apr 28, 2008 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions
sometimes tough to handle the bat well
when the other team knows what ozzie is likely to do and either pitches out or pitches a nearly unhittable ball (which is what happened in the prior situation to which you refer).
free jason bourgeois
the predictability of ozzie in these situations is a whole other aspect of the problem
but why would you want to make people swing against a guy with control problems? he’s giving you baserunners and adding to his pitch count and ozzie decides to take the pressure off the pitcher and put it on his hitter. it’s horseshit imo.
he's sick of reading on SSS about how his team isn't going to do anything unless they get their batting average up
free jason bourgeois
depends.
people were whining on here earlier about how the sox aren’t hitting the ball enough.
free jason bourgeois
shouldn't RS go up due to the low BABIP?
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
yeah
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
sure
scoring is a bit more of a function of OBP and slugging than it is batting average. i would have thought that would be commonly accepted, at least on this board, by now.
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do you think the white sox can maintain the same obp/walk rate if they do not begin to hit better?
i know how runs are scored, it just seems unlikely that teams would not challenge the sox more if they do not raise their ba.
because there are teams (and i might add, fans) still dumb enough to look at batting average?
again, who cares about that. OBP and slugging are more important. teams often don’t challenge hitters who have low batting averages because – you guessed it – they hit the ball far when you do. this isn’t a jerry owens batting average we’re talking about. there’s some significant punch behind it. worry about slugging and OBP. batting average is cute but it’s usually window dressing.
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Juan Pierre has nothing to do with this argument...
How many runners did we have in scoring position that didn’t score because none of our hitters could manage a measly single? Unless the Sox expect every pitcher to walk or HBP runs in, they better start hitting for some AVG as well. Not every pitcher we face is Daniel “Wild Thing” Cabrera. I realize that OBP and SLG are more important but AVG is important too.
you want someone to lift the sox' average
there ya go. you want someone to hit a measly single, he’s the poster boy. first or second in the league in singles ever since he became a regular.
always need something to complain about, don’t you? you spent all offseason complaining about sox players like jerry owens and so on who all they can do is hit for average and can’t hit for power or get on base frequently. now that the sox have addressed that concern with marked improvements in both categories, you’re back to batting average.
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I don't want Juan Pierre...
I want OUR players to lift THEIR batting averages. What is so tough to understand?
So you can only have OBP and SLG and you can’t have all three categories? Quentin seems to get it and he has barely played a full season of baseball.
You are wrong and you are arguing with me just to argue. I’m sure you will have to get the last word in though.
and you're whining because you want something to whine about
if they were batting .300, you’d start whining about how clutch hitting is really important or some such thing.
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So now you are resorting to putting words in my mouth?
Now I know that you have lost the argument.
Thanks and have a great day.
Yeah
That’s very true. Ozzie’s predictability is in those situations is what I was intending to rather mildly criticize.
by hitlesswonder on Apr 28, 2008 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions
1-2-3...
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
what the fuck
Is Ozzie doing? First he comes out and says this is a slow team and blah blah blah he realizes it and blah blah blah they aren’t going to hit and run much. And suddenly CQ needs to steal more bases and we are hitting and running with the middle of the order coming up.
Ozzie drives me crazy with his doubltalk.
We really aren't a line drive hitting team
and that means that we’re going to strand runners and GDP
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
LL Cool Q!
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
Q! Q! Q! Q! Q! Q! Q! Q! Q! Q! Q! Q! Q! Q! Q! Q!
Carloquito.
Pitching and defense.
Build Chicago Tough!
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
Watch Alexei get on base now....
when the pressure is off…
If only there were a term
for when a man has a non-sexual crush on another person, who also happens to be a man …
by The Actual El Guapo on Apr 28, 2008 4:47 PM CDT reply actions
Well I just
would like to know if you know what a plethora is. I would not like to think that a person would tell someone he has a plethora, and then find out that that person has no idea what it means to have a plethora.
... or perhaps I am angry at something else, and am just looking to take it out on you.
I blame Uribe.
by The Actual El Guapo on Apr 28, 2008 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Vasquez is dialed in today....
Would love to see the Sox get this one for him
Staters getting the win when they work so hard
really contributes to building confidence as the season goes on, which obviously makes the rotation a lot stronger and feared by opponent hitters…
i wouldn't be surprised
whoever does their music has a soft spot for indie rock. i’ve heard built to spill, the shins, and some others i can’t think of at the moment.
10% of Chicago knows who Carlos Quentin is.
90% of Chicago knows who Kosuke Fukudome is.
Pitching and defense.
10% of Chicago knows who Carlos Quentin is.
90% of Chicago knows who Kosuke Fukudome is?
Pitching and defense.
ozzie is proud...
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
paulie drives in swish!
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
So
Is there anyone who really would rather see AJ batting ahead of Q at this point? I just pray for no DP so Q gets a chance here.
Can CQ be the site' mascot now?
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
aye
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
I just hate that AB by A.J.
make him throw a strike….
Nice patience by CQ
rest of the team should take notice
Outside of a few instances
I’d say the Sox taken notice. On the one hand we complain that the Sox can’t maintain their high OBP with such a low average, and on a day they have, what, 8 walks…we’re insinuating the sox aren’t patient enough?
with a capital A!
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
Q walks!
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
at the plate or anywhere else
he could kick my ass and fuck my girlfriend and i’d still love the guy.
Every time Q draws a walk or gets a HBP
a baby smiles and an angel gets his wings.
by The Actual El Guapo on Apr 28, 2008 5:18 PM CDT reply actions
someone update me?
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
It's amazing
How a whole lineup looks different (even with the shitty AAAA we have to trot out there on a day to day basis) when you have a couple more guys that like to take pitches, walk, and hit for power, rather than just slap a infield single once every 10 or so times.
We gotta win this.....
crushing loss it would be.
someone update me?
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
Lots and lots of baserunners left on base : (
Pitching and defense.
K!
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
masset, linebrink up...
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
Seems odd that Nick is up with a start scheduled for Wednesday...
in Minnesota. I’d love to see Broadway get that assignment.
Javy back for the CG
or Jenks in for the save?
Yeah, but like Cheat mentioned below
Jenks has been hit by the O’s, so….
javy: 100 pitches, 66 strikes
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
Given the way the O's have hit Bobby in the past
I’d say that Vazquez is the better option in the 9th.
AIM: SouthSideCheat
That's what I was thinking too
he doesn’t seem tired
I'm all for leaving
Javier in to close this one off. First sign of trouble then in comes the big man.
As long as two arms are ready in the pen
I’m cool with Javy going out there.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
he beats the throw!
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
One reason why you should ALWAYS run it out....
never know waht’s gonna happen
Alexei had some rough Abs today....
but played solid defense and that was nice.
About 11 people left in stands.
Pitching and defense.
and bobby is warming up...
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
About as bad as an AB as one could have....
congrats Nick!
So
Today is the type of game that playoff teams win... They’ve sure done everything in their power to make sure they’re in a position to lose this one late.
AIM: SouthSideCheat
i always thought
the sign of a good team was that it won games when it played poorly?
i suppose how one colors this depends on one’s view of the team.
free jason bourgeois
hmm, they're leading in the top of the ninth
you tell me what the probabilities on this one are, even if roberts scores?
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Not saying anything about the quality of my posts....
I’m sure there are many (or most) that like insight, but I’ve yet to read one from Larry that has said much of anything.
not exactly hard to follow a gamegraph, buddy
thanks for your insight.
http://www.fangraphs.com/livewins.aspx?gameid=280428104
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i was talking to cheat about something we both understand
i don’t have time to explain it during a game, especially if you can’t click on a simple link.
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true dat
I understand the late inning bunt, but how often has Swisher bunted?
Oh… 3 times. In almost 2,000 PAs
yes
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
torpedo boat in the harbor!
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
Well...we'll be down at least 1 with
Thome against Sherrill….
So really we’ll be down at least one with 1 out and Konerko up.
Don't get too cute w/ this Nick.
Pitching and defense.
jeebus.
Bobby at 91 with those fastballs?
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
or
you could assess the situation and determine the best possible course of action based on a variety of factors, none of which are the fact that one guy in the bullpen is called the closer. especially when that closer has a recent history of struggling with the guys due up in the 9th.
WTF is Juan doing calling off Paulie
10 ft. from 1st base?
gotta burn last night's doughnuts...
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
I feel bad for Vasquez
and if I were him I’d be throwing stuff at Jenks
i did notice that
but his batted ball distribution is really nice, iirc.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
So what do we think of Bobby?
91 is disconcerting, but Roberts has that asshole opposite field thing down.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
you going to type this every 12 minutes at different spots in the thread?
Blood has been shed, Jerry.
by Toonderstrook on Apr 28, 2008 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions
sox cant close the deal
how many baserunners have they had? had the o’s on the ropes in the ninth and couldn’t close the deal
Not to mention that the two boppers (30 mil between them)
can’t get it done in these clutch situations
It sucks that the two boppers can't get it done at game's end
when they’re paid $30 mil between them…
i don't really care at all about how much money they make
or how they happen to do in any single at bat.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
you mean you realize that if a hitter is successful in 1 out of 3 tries in such a situation that's pretty good?
why are you here?
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evidence?
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
what happened to these gamethreads?!?
Blood has been shed, Jerry.
by Toonderstrook on Apr 28, 2008 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions
this is what happens when you leave the midwest
everything you love goes to shit
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
yeah, of course you would because quentin is hitting the snot out of the ball right now.
will you say the same thing if he hits .220 in may?
Blood has been shed, Jerry.
by Toonderstrook on Apr 28, 2008 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Other than 2 real good games from Thome. And a grand slam in one game by Konerko. Those two don't do crap in the 4th and 5th spot.
When was the last time they won a game with a HR in the 8th or 9th inning. They’re old, overpaid, and over hyped!
mmmm
that’s some tasty bait you’re leaving out there. i’m not going to bite, though.
free jason bourgeois
c'mon...it's late april. plenty of time to make sweeping generalizations!
Blood has been shed, Jerry.
by Toonderstrook on Apr 28, 2008 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I said, inthe beginning of the year that Quentin would hit 25-30 HR's. And I bet his HR's will be more clutch than Thome or Konerko's.
Teams have learned how to pitch to the Sox 3rd, 4th and 5th hitters!
you said he "could" due to playing in the cell...not that he would.
Blood has been shed, Jerry.
by Toonderstrook on Apr 28, 2008 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Your probably right. He could, not he would.
I did’nt mean 25-30 in the cell. I should have said 25-30 Hr’s total for the year. And that playing in the cell could aid him in acheiving that.
Hey I am really bad at looking up numbers...
can anyone tell me what Thome and Konerko make? The combined number is preferable.
practice makes perfect.
http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/chicago-white-sox.html
Blood has been shed, Jerry.
by Toonderstrook on Apr 28, 2008 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Gotta win these kind of games!
Pitching and defense.
gamethread #3
http://www.southsidesox.com/2008/4/28/462613/game-25-gamethread-3
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