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John Danks' No-Hitter Derailed by Local Scribes

Yes, that headline is definitely tounge-in-cheek. I thought it was funny that both Gonzo and Cowley posted about it the 5th inning at about the same time Pete and Option27 were sounding off in the gamethread. That was about the same time I was able to tune in (fast game), so I could just as easily be blamed for the jinx.

I was able to catch a little bit of good John Danks, a little bit of the wild Danks, and too much of Jermaine Dye costing him runs in the outfield. Good Danks seemed to have his cutter working pretty well, actually he had everything working pretty well.

I think Danks GO/FO ratio of 12/6 would have been his best mark of all of last year, but the no-longer-available MLB.com 2007 gamelog and the differences between GB/FB and GO/FO make that difficult to say with absolute certainty. What we can say for sure is that, at least after one start, it appears that Danks has matured a little bit and his new cutter has allowed him to shift from being such a predominately flyball pitcher.

Allowing fewer flyballs will be key for Danks if he hopes to reduce his homerun rate (28 in 139 IP) from last season. As a general guide, about 11% of flyballs go over the fence. Danks HR/FB was 13.8% last year, allowing 28 HR in 203 flyballs. If he's able to increase his groundball rate, while simultaneously regressing to the more normal 11% HR/FB rate, he'll take a huge step forward to becoming an asset to the staff.

As an example of Danks homer-proneness, in his 26 starts last season, he had just one in which he pitched more than 6 innings and gave up 0 HR, as he did on Thursday.

In the field, Danks was helped by a good play from Nick Swisher catching a long drive as he smashed, almost Rowand-like (not enough broken bones), into the left center field wall on one of the two really well hit balls against him on the day. The other well hit ball flew just over the outstretched glove of Jermaine Dye -- that's two outstretched gloves of Dye vs. three Crede pops it up on the young year -- allowing Travis Hafner, who walked on 4 pitches (bad Danks), to score from first on Ryan Garko's double.

Later in the inning, Dye and Swisher would collide on a routine pop-up, which surprisingly yielded a disagreement in the Sox television booth. DJ thought it was Jermaine's ball, with Hawk arguing, correctly, that the center fielder is the field general, and if he calls you off you back off.

Ozzie made one of those moves that looks smart when it works, but could have lit up the phone lines had it backfired, bringing in Octavio Dotel to face Casey Blake, who took Dotel deep in Opening Day's pivotal at-bat. It was as if Guillen was saying to Dotel, 'I believe in you' as he made the call over Scott Linebrink, who was also working in the pen and worked a perfect eigth.

Offensively, the Sox still have me worried. Joe Crede and Juan Uribe provided all of the the offense on two solo homers. Carlos Quentin got his first start of the year, going 1-4, but grounding into a double play one batter after AJ Pierzynski's poorly executed sacrifice attempt.

I'll reserve railing on the offense for another day. For now, it just feels good to get that first win out of the way.

*** CSN will replay the game at 7pm and 1am ***

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I just browsed through gameday

They don't classify his cutter well. There are a few listed, but pretty much any pitch between 85-88 with a ptch/FX of 6 or less is a cutter.

FX measures vertical break, or rather the pitches ability to resist the vertical break caused by gravity. Danks fastball on gameday is 89 MPH or greater and has a ptch/FX of double digits.

You don't see much listed on the break for the cutter compared to the fastball. The difference is all the the P/FX which compliments my initial observation that I couldn't see much horizontal break but can see it "dive" at the very end. It's more like he's added a 2-seamer than a cutter, tough you would expect a 2 seamer to break in the opposite direction of the cutter.

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Apr 3, 2008 5:30 PM CDT reply actions  

as long as it's a reliable pitch unlike his others, i don't care what they call it.

161 White Sox wins on the year, 161 wins; take one down and pass it around, 160 White Sox wins on the year.

by Toonderstrook on Apr 3, 2008 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Danks' first start

was one of the things I looked forward to most as spring training began, and The Legend of the Mythical Cutter grew.

For one day, at least, it didn't disappoint. Unfortunately, I forgot it was an afternoon game so I didn't even get to follow this through on the game thread. Hopefully there's a replay on comcast tonight so I can get a glimpse of Danks when he's 'on'.

by chrome on Apr 3, 2008 6:03 PM CDT reply actions  

By the way...

Tonight's starting lineup for the Charlotte Knights -

Jason Bourgeois, LF
Mike Rouse, SS
Josh Fields, 3B
Brad Eldred, RF
Royce Huffman, 1B
Thomas Collaro, DH
DeWayne Wise, CF
Paul Phillips, C
Chrisopher Getz, 2B

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Apr 3, 2008 6:44 PM CDT reply actions  

No score after 2.

Knights hitters went 1-2-3 in the first and second innings. Haeger has allowed a single and a walk, striking out two.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Apr 3, 2008 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bret Boone...

is playing for the Columbus Clippers (Nationals AAA affiliate), by the way.

How far the mighty have fallen.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Apr 3, 2008 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

he is a few days shy of 39 years old and hasn't played a big league game since 2005. what more could you expect?

161 White Sox wins on the year, 161 wins; take one down and pass it around, 160 White Sox wins on the year.

by Toonderstrook on Apr 3, 2008 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's 0-2...

with two strikeouts against Haeger so far.

To be fair, so is Josh Fields, against a lefty starter, no less.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Apr 3, 2008 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't remember Collaro from ST

should I know him?

Skanberg, if I wanted to hear your opinion, I would have brainwashed you by now-
Don Guillote

by Chiburb on Apr 3, 2008 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

he's the rob deer of the sox organization, i think.

161 White Sox wins on the year, 161 wins; take one down and pass it around, 160 White Sox wins on the year.

by Toonderstrook on Apr 3, 2008 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

No score after 4.

Haeger's allowed four singles and a walk, striking out five.

Mike O'Connor has a very good game going.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Apr 3, 2008 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cancel the postgame.

Royce Huffman puts the Knights in the hit column with a single.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Apr 3, 2008 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tigers 0-3 and an ailing Miggy and Sheff? Ouch.

161 White Sox wins on the year, 161 wins; take one down and pass it around, 160 White Sox wins on the year.

by Toonderstrook on Apr 3, 2008 7:06 PM CDT reply actions  

hmmm, great minds think alike

the law of conservation of masset: no matter how much masset you use up, there is always masset in your system.

by larry on Apr 3, 2008 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

zumaya, rodney, granderson, cabrera, now sheffield

things piling up

the law of conservation of masset: no matter how much masset you use up, there is always masset in your system.

by larry on Apr 3, 2008 7:07 PM CDT reply actions  

and four of those five are younguns.

161 White Sox wins on the year, 161 wins; take one down and pass it around, 160 White Sox wins on the year.

by Toonderstrook on Apr 3, 2008 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

yup

the problem the tigers have is that these things are piling up already. and only two of those guys are probably of the expected variety on the injury list: sheffield and whichever pitcher you want to put on there because it's not unexpected that a pitcher gets hurt. with guys like granderson and now miggy (this is the same quad problem he had in winter league so it's obvious this isn't a small, transitory problem) on there, their margin for error lessens even more. you start getting other guys like rogers or guillen...

the law of conservation of masset: no matter how much masset you use up, there is always masset in your system.

by larry on Apr 3, 2008 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

or maggs or polanco or renteria or...

so many candidates, so little time!

161 White Sox wins on the year, 161 wins; take one down and pass it around, 160 White Sox wins on the year.

by Toonderstrook on Apr 3, 2008 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rogers and Guillen...

have an injury history, though, more so than the other guys.

I think the Indians are probably the best team in the division, and I don't know if it'll be close when all is said and done.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Apr 3, 2008 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

you're always pointing out the age of players, jre

and not without reason. one of those other guys - throw rodriguez and jones on there, too - is probably going to end up on the DL, despite their past, just because of the percentages.

the law of conservation of masset: no matter how much masset you use up, there is always masset in your system.

by larry on Apr 3, 2008 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Probably true.

and the Tigers aren't that deep of an organization.

I like Granderson, Cabrera, Verlander, and Bonderman as much as anyone, but the Tigers are pretty flawed.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Apr 3, 2008 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

well

they've got inge. he's probably about as good a utility player you'll find out there. and is well compensated for it, of course. having the ability to replace a player with league average production, instead of closer to replacement level production, is a big plus. but he can replace only one guy. if they're going to have multiple injuries...well, we experienced it last year to a lesser degree of magnitude. it can get real bad, real quick.

the law of conservation of masset: no matter how much masset you use up, there is always masset in your system.

by larry on Apr 3, 2008 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

tigers are flawed

Like half of baseball publications have them winning the world series this year. If they are pretty flawed, what does that make the Sox? I'm still holding out hope that these Sox can find some magic, the way the Tigers so far have found a steaming pile of curse.

by boyonthedock on Apr 3, 2008 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Their pitching was questionable to begin with

If they start losing bats to the DL they're in trouble. Would be nice to kick them around while they're down this weekend.

by ChicagoPete on Apr 4, 2008 6:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

the sox tend to beat up on robertson pretty good

so i think there's a strong possibility of that. the big boys - dye, PK, thome - have nice numbers against him. uribe likes him, too. today is a day where i hope ozzie recognizes the numbers a bit a pushes uribe up in the order a spot or two and crede down. ramirez might also be the guy to bat ninth, if he goes.

"Aw, how could he lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico."

by larry on Apr 4, 2008 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

is bonds to the tigers on the horizon???

Your Chicago White Sox: Allergic to Sustained Success

by Toonderstrook on Apr 3, 2008 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

bonds to somebody will happen by june 15 or so

the al central looks like a plausible destination.

the law of conservation of masset: no matter how much masset you use up, there is always masset in your system.

by larry on Apr 3, 2008 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

polanco's only played over 130 games once since '02 and renteria's coming off an age 31 season of missing 40.

i guess maggs has a good overall history, but for his last year with the sox and first with the tigers.

Your Chicago White Sox: Allergic to Sustained Success

by Toonderstrook on Apr 3, 2008 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

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