Pierzynski, Bullpen Bail Out Bad Contreras
by The Cheat on Apr 4, 2008 4:20 PM CDT
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A real quick recap since most of you have better things to do on the weekend.
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Jose Contreras was terrible, looking almost nothing like the pitcher who filled us with cautious optimism in spring training. He was throwing far too much from his drop-down delivery, was falling behind a lot, and if not for the out-making abilities of Magglio Ordonez and Edgar Renteria plus an unusual double play he might have given up 10 plus runs. He was that bad.
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Carlos Quentin may be in the process of playing his way into the lineup more regularly. He put the White Sox up early with a 2-run homer in the second after Contreras provided foreshadowing of his poor outing in the first. Though I expect Ramirez and Anderson to see some action this weekend in Detroit.
"If [Quentin] keeps playing like that, he'll be in the lineup and we'll figure out the rest," Guillen said.
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AJ Pierzynski is off to great start. He already has 2 HR and 7 RBI, which is greater than the output from last seasons back-up catchers, and I'd be willing to bet that it exceeds the production of Toby Hall for the rest of the season. With that in mind, AJ has to stay healthy. He's the batter the Sox can least afford to lose.
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Jermaine Dye has surprised me with his fast start. He was terrible in spring training, and looked like his bat speed and reaction time was way down. But since the games started counting, his swing is much more direct and he's been pounding the ball. He even closed the game with one of those awkwardly good catches that he seems to make on balls in front of him.
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Scott Linebrink has looked fantastic in his two innings of work the last two days. The velocity isn't quite what it used to be, but the curveball he's shown the last two days more than makes up for it.
Linebrink combined with Logan, Dotel, and Jenks for 4 innings of scoreless relief. They allowed just one hit, and with the exception of Jenks, who needed 25 pitches to get through the 9th, made quick work of the Tigers.
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Contreras blew
but I thought that we saw a lot of good things today. CQ looking like a player. Crede looked better again. And, as the headline suggested, AJ and the pen were awesome.
Also, I win.
I, too, was taught karate by an old asian man who was the maintenance man in my building.
I think our offense is going to be marginally better...
The BP has looked better already (although it looked great early last year).
Besides Danks, the starting pitching has been awful. It's much too early to thrown out any brash statements about the rotation, but it would be nice to have quality starts from Mark and Javy next time around.
"You might be impressed with your analysis, but I am not. Stop wasting my time." - Chris De Luca
Vazquez wasn't awful. The other 2, yes.
'08-to-date --- 1 triple to RF against the Sox.
five hits and four walks in five innings
while laboring to 100+ pitchers is awful. it just looks less awful when compared to the other two.
"Aw, how could he lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico."
Didn't see the game, but
what is Count's obsession with the drop-down arm angle? I can't imagine anyone is forcing it on him. Is it somehow less stressful on his back?
Once the hitter sees it then he knows he's getting one of two pitches: the fastball which tails in on righties or that mediocre slider away from them. Either way the ball will be staying on the same plane as the bat during a swing. This arm angle has completely removed Count's (what used to be) most devasting pitch, the forkball
uh huh
i think it's increasingly obvious that age and/or injury have caught up to contreras and something is bothering or otherwise constraining his ability to pitch more over the top.
"Aw, how could he lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico."
especially considering he manages to come over the top
when a lefty comes up. he must know that throwing sidearm against LHB is death, but if he can't do it against righties, then he must be covering up an injury of some kind.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
yes
which makes me wonder, among other possibilities, if he's having lots of problems with his body getting loose. we've talked about this on here before. flexibility and so on get reduced with age and injury. we know jose has had back problems. we also know that a symptom of decreased flexibility in a pitcher can be arm angle issues. arizona warm, detroit cold. just a possibility to throw out there.
"Aw, how could he lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico."
We'll see.
He didnt look comfortable at all today and it was plenty cold. I wondered if he was loose.
dropping down as he did
is a sign of something physically wrong. Our college pitching coach kept close tabs on starters arm slots as games wore on as it was a fair measure of fatigue. No question there is less stress on your arm when you drop down (throwing fastballs).
Also a slider is absolutely flat when when one's throws it side arm, see Zambrano this time last year for proof.
by Chopper Two Hopper on Apr 4, 2008 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions
he loses feel for it when he doesn't throw it
which makes it all the worse because it gets away easily.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
Our defense has been absolutely brutal.
I cringe when anything is hit hard. Everything is an adventure.
Not good, if we don't settle down.
'08-to-date --- 1 triple to RF against the Sox.
Cabrera really has me wondering if he and Juan shouldn't switch
whatever you say about Juan's bat (and there's nothing good anyway), if he's going to be in the lineup, then he could at least be making up for it in the field to some degree. Cabrera looks like he has very little range right now.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
but can't one be excused at a new position?
I mean if OC continues looking sucky, we can form an opinion that he's lost some range. If Uribe sucks he has the adjustment excuse. I see where Colin is coming from, but I think its too early for decisions.
Skanberg, if I wanted to hear your opinion, I would have brainwashed you by now-
Don Guillote
Let's leave it up to Pete.
'08-to-date --- 1 triple to RF against the Sox.
Starting pitching and defense, not so encouraging
Baserunning, advancing runners, little Ozzieball things - not encouraging.
Offense, encouraging.
Put em all together and I doubt you make the playoffs. Which is okay with me, as long as we bash a lot of people into submission - brute force ass kickings like today are fun to watch.
chicks dig the long ball
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
End result today - good.
But I did not enjoy watching that game.
Not a good game, IMO.
'08-to-date --- 1 triple to RF against the Sox.
i know it's tough to watch your buddy continue to get his ass handed to him
i think it's time you introduced him to that busty latin vixen at your work. that'll cheer him up.
"Aw, how could he lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico."
Which one? There are several.
'08-to-date --- 1 triple to RF against the Sox.
I'll try anythig.
Which honey do you think? There are several.
'08-to-date --- 1 triple to RF against the Sox.
We're lucky we haven't had to deal with obnoxious Tiger fans
Piston and Red Wing fans are bad enough.
Winning does that to fans.
'08-to-date --- 1 triple to RF against the Sox.
AJ
"Let's be honest. We stunk last year, myself included, I wasn't very good," Pierzynski said. "We have a lot of professional guys that want to win and expect to win, and that's what we want to do this year. Come out and play as hard as we can and win games."
"Aw, how could he lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico."
this is great: schlitz back in chicago
http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-schlitz-beer-returns-chicago-apr4,0,2834589.story
"Aw, how could he lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico."
select north side locations! alright!
who's up for some Vampire Weekend?!
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
as a card carrying hipster....
I resent being lumped in wth northsiders. THats definately more of a frat boy crowd. I am seing vampire weekend tommorrow. congratulations on amking me feel bad about myself.
man have they experienced some serious
backlash for all the hype they got. which is weird, because they just make upbeat pop. nothing really offensive or challenging. i finally made myself listen to their album with a clean take and decided i really enjoy the first four songs on that album. the rest aren't as great and they didn't really deserve their pitchfork fellatio, but so what? does that make them actually offensive? people should be mad at the journalistic forces that toss these poor bands around, not a few pretty decent paul simon imitators.
and frat boys are imminently more offensive than most who get called hipsters.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
but then again i wore a pink AmApp arcade fire shirt with some tight jeans
with their cuffs up and a pair of pumas to top it off yesterday
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
Sure.
But Schlitz was the number one selling beer in the country until they changed the recipe in the 60s. I'm game for trying it out. Hipster or not.
Out-underacheiving the other guy.
by defensive indifference on Apr 4, 2008 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions
WTF
Was that written by a "professional writer"? And if so, how did this sentence get in there?
But Woodridge-based Pabst Brewing, which owns the historic brand, is brining back the original recipe in markets in Minnesota and Florida late last year.
I, too, was taught karate by an old asian man who was the maintenance man in my building.
the typo is funny
but it's the time travel that impresses me most.
I, too, was taught karate by an old asian man who was the maintenance man in my building.
Leo Durocher used to do Schlitz commercials
with the tag being "how about another Schlitz fellows".
Appropriate for the north side fans using walkers.
Skanberg, if I wanted to hear your opinion, I would have brainwashed you by now-
Don Guillote
this is an excellent sig
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
Schlitz's demise is one of the great business failures.
They were neck and neck with Bud for #1 for years. They introduced a cost-cutting "new recipe" that tasted great after brewing but had terrible shelf life. People eventually bought older product which tasted like squirrel piss and didn't buy it again. Eventually, everything on the shelf was old. The company was very, very slow to react to the
problem which lead to a long, slow decline until NADA.
'08-to-date --- 1 triple to RF against the Sox.
did Bud taste good at one point too?
that i have a tough time believing.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
damn
they just corrected the "brining" typo. Yet they somehow still don't see a problem with the grammar in that same sentence.
man, Profundo! was ahead of the curve!
[TW]:
The cause of Carlos Zambrano's cramping might be a potassium deficiency, Cubs manager Lou Piniella revealed Wednesday."His potassium level was a little low," Piniella said when asked if he knew why Zambrano suffered a right forearm cramp during the seventh inning of the team's Opening Day loss to Milwaukee. "I think that was the problem."
...
Zambrano, who has battled cramping throughout his career, will not miss his next start - an outing likely prefaced by the consumption of bananas.
hey blockquotes work!
or did take out the manual paragraph breaks and insert HTML ones?
AIM: SouthSideCheat
re
or did take out the manual paragraph breaks and insert HTML ones?
yes, that's what I did
someone pointed out that you only need to change the first paragraph mark from manual to HTML and then the rest work fine
Wiz, how does it work.
I'd like all my posts highlighted. That will make it much easier for you guys!
'08-to-date --- 1 triple to RF against the Sox.
click the blue quote symbol and then write between the 2 blockquote tags
it's between the title box and the body box, this: 
but don't highlight everything you write, just the quotes from other sources
did it seriously take the cubs this long to figure out this approach to cramps?
"Aw, how could he lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico."
Zabrano is an idiot
who has been drinking "energy" drinks to stay hydrated. I use energy in quotes because he's pumping his body full of diuretics to briefly feel more energized.
AIM: SouthSideCheat
need a boost to churn out those texts.
Just because you are a character doesn't mean you character.
by Toonderstrook on Apr 4, 2008 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions
well, i don't follow zambrano that closely
but i've heard of his cramping problems before and it's stunning to me that the cubs are (apparently) just now realizing that feeding him some bananas to get his potassium up is a good idea.
"Aw, how could he lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico."
Remember when Frank Thomas
Tried solving his leg woes by not drinking coffee?
That didn't exactly seem to be a cure-all.
Hm.
Hope this doesn't turn out to be, "Remember when I made some crap up about Frank Thomas and coffee?"
I'm still at work, so I'll try to Lexis-Nexis it.
You want to fight?
I think I could take you.
Seriously, when I'm the only one that remembers something, I then start to doubt myself. It's going to nag me if I don't look it up.
Found it
Note: Thomas forced to cut back
White Sox head athletic trainer Herm Schneider said that Thomas will have to change his routine a little to help aid in not cramping up, like not lifting before games and cutting down on the amount of coffee he drinks. The change in the lifting schedule was nothing big for Thomas, but the coffee part is what had him worried.
"I don't know if I can kill that habit," Thomas said with a laugh. "I love coffee. I'm a Starbucks regular and I drink coffee when I get to the ballpark. I like to stay hyper and keep myself motivated. That's the way I do things."
you have a good brain
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
you remember some obscure stuff man
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
I thought they
told him to drink more coffee? no joke.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Apr 4, 2008 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions
the trib says SSS is one of the best Sox blogs
[DH]:
The Chicago White Sox have had better luck than the Cubs in recent years, but Sox bloggers are no less hungry. Here are some of the best White Sox blogs:
- South Side Sox - This site is pretty much ground zero for the White Sox fan community.
- White Sox Pride - Updates on the team from Scott Reifert, the team's vice president of communications.
- South Side Baseball - A blog written by White Sox superfan Andrew Reilly. Lots of good insight here.
- White Sox Locker - Trade rumors and team analysis. Part of the Locker network of MLB team blogs.
ground zero?
that sounds about right.
"Aw, how could he lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico."
As to one who just visited Ground Zero today,
almost as barren as it was 6+ years ago, I don't think it's a compliment (even though I'm sure it was meant as one).
I think we are more like "The heartbeat of the White Sox" or "The Bible of the South Siders".
Or "Almost as bitter as the old Schlitz - only real men need apply".
I took the "under".
re
I don't think it's a compliment (even though I'm sure it was meant as one)
he wrote "ground zero", not "Ground Zero"
Whatever the qualities of the other three, I can't imagine they beat Sox Machine
Jim got the screw a bit there. Nice of the Trib to notice at all though.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
I saw that last week
I would have mentioned it had it contained Sox Machine...
But all these lists ever do is type "White Sox Blog" into google check for recent activity and post 'em.
As noted before SoxMachine comes up 1 on Yahoo, but I don' think it's near the top on Google.
AIM: SouthSideCheat
jim was robbed
as a lagging sox blogger, I only wish I could be as consistent as SSS and Sox Machine
by james@lifeinthecell on Apr 5, 2008 3:12 AM CDT up reply actions
three of those are obvious "plants"
and by that i mean someone at 1) sb nation and 2) mlb sent out a release to the media saying these are good blogs. and reilly is a chicago writer so it wouldn't surprise me if he knows people at the trib. not saying it isn't an okay list but it's not necessarily a meritocracy.
"Aw, how could he lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico."
I guess? I just don't know the inner workings of such things I spose.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
it may even be less than that
cheat could be right about google
"Aw, how could he lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico."
you overestimate SB nation
we're not exactly organized, and BCB was omited from their Cubs list.
AIM: SouthSideCheat
it seemed pretty organized
or at least a researcher was pretty lazy, last year in SI where every single SB nation blog was included in their list - even though some were and are godawful and no one visits them.
"Aw, how could he lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico."
i commented on your behalf Jim
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
You're my boy, blue
Hey everybody, come and see how good Jim looks!
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
Wasn't Jim's AL Central Trail
mentioned in Sports Illustrated though? I gotta imagine Jim's site (one of my 3 favorite on the internet so I'm biased) has to be better then those other 3.
by Grinder in Training on Apr 4, 2008 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Thankfully
It was buried a little read blog dedicated to finding the "best Chicago blogs" -- so you're safe, for now
AIM: SouthSideCheat
I'm sure this will be like a walk down memory lane for guys like wu and chiburb,
but was news to me.
"[T]he lifetime home run mark, 'baseball's most hallowed record,' has been rubberized in the cause of higher numbers.
Alex Rodriguez...plays half his games in Yankee Stadium, where it's three hundred and ninety-nine feet to the left-center-field wall; Joe DiMaggio swung for the same fence when it was four hundred and seventy feet (!!!) away.
Pitchers' mounds in DiMaggio's day were fifteen inches high but in 1969 were lowered to ten inches, to make them more dinger-prone. Not much later, the strike zone shrank down to the size of a cellar window."
Just because you are a character doesn't mean you have character.
must have been weird cranking balls
off your own statue. and fielding balls off of it as well.
I, too, was taught karate by an old asian man who was the maintenance man in my building.
This isn't Cook County.
You had to wait until you retired nbefore you got a statue.
'08-to-date --- 1 triple to RF against the Sox.
The Sox do it
Right smack dab in the middle of right field. I know he drove in the winning run of the World Series, but that seems like overkill.
The Sox already have the Titan of Bronze
They don't need a RF of Bronze as well...
by hitlesswonder on Apr 4, 2008 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions
especially when ours does such a good impression anyway
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
can't speak for WU, but I certainly
remember the mound being lowered in the same year the Sox played xxx number of games in Milwaukee (you could look it up).
as for dimensions in Yankee Stadium during Joe D's day, you'll have to ask Bally.
Skanberg, if I wanted to hear your opinion, I would have brainwashed you by now-
Don Guillote
The left field wall at Yankee stadium used to be only 3-4 ft high
I remember Tom Tresh stealing a homerun by the Sox' Danny Cater by diving into the first couple of rows. Being older, I've hated the Yankees for as long as I can remember.
Show mercy. I get to watch the Rangers.
by Tim from Texas on Apr 5, 2008 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
which isn't as far back as it used to be, i bet
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
Goddamn, I remember the same Tresh catch, though
I ermember him actually sprawled on top of the fence. Danny Cater was one of my first Sox favorites.
The Yankees made it easy to hate them. And still do.
Re: Joe D, never saw him play.
I took the "under".
schlitz
I get home from a long day and you guysare talking about schlitz. Based on the comments you all are too young to remember it. trust me it sucks...it was popular in the day when it was by its self, no micro brews, few imports etc. your choice was that, bud, pbr or black label. vodka has gone through a similer change...15 years ago smirnoff was considered top shelf.
I love that quote by Ozzie...
but he better stay true to hit. I know that Ozzie goes with the hot bat but he better not throw his man-love into the lineup the second Quentin has an 0 for 4 day with 2 K's.
Schlitz
a.k.a. Blatz, Falstaff, Buckhorn, Pfeiffer's, PBR, Hamm's Drewry's, Olympia, Red White & Blue...
"We're gonna bring it all day, everyday...we're gonna keep grinding it out." - Nick Swisher (4/1/08)
PBR
PBR does not belong on the same list as Blatz... a little respect
I never said any of those beers were bad
Although, PBR is the preferred beer of Frank Booth (Blue Velvet), so I do hold it in higher regard.
"We're gonna bring it all day, everyday...we're gonna keep grinding it out." - Nick Swisher (4/1/08)
makers mark and some ice baby
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
From the land of sky blue waaaa-a-ters... Hamm's, the beer refreshing
Hamm's had the best beer jingle of all of them. The tom-tom drums going in the background to gave it that authentic Native American northwoods vibe.
Tha best commercials, too.
Forget the hot, hot, hot women.
BRING BACK THE HAMM''S BEAR!!
'08-to-date --- 1 triple to RF against the Sox.
Don't forget Hamm"s
From the land of sky blue waters....
Show mercy. I get to watch the Rangers.
by Tim from Texas on Apr 5, 2008 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Watching Ryan Sweeney being interviewed on the A's postgame
4-4 in a victory over Paul Byrd and the Indians.
Just because you are a character doesn't mean you have character.
On cheap beer...
I'm a beer snob, even when it comes to the shitty beer. I would rank it like this:
1.) Miller Highlife
Often sold for under 20c an OZ, high life is truly the "champaign of shit beers". Has the ideal alchohol content for a session beer and the taste is only mildy displeasing. Like most piss beers, is best served ice cold.
2.) PBR
Has one redeeming quality: is often featured as the "special" at hipster (and places that want to be "hipster") bars. 2 dollar PBR has saved my wallet many a times here in NYC.
3.) Molson Ice
Hear me out on this one. Molson ice, although a rare find at bars, has 5.6% alchohol, which makes its cheap ass price (I can find them for $1.25 a deuce deuce in NYC) even more efficient. Taste is decidedly bad, but is mitigated by the high percentage of alcohol.
I kind of like an ice cold Old Style at the beach or the pool
But it better be 32.2 degrees cold, any warmer and you start to actually taste it.
I had an Old Style recently after a long hiatus and...
I think they've actually improved the flavor again. It reminded me of my high school days when my friend Dave (although his I.D. said Phil) would score us a 6-pack of Old Style tallboys on a Saturday night...good drinkin' good times.
Although it's not necessarily cheap, and certainly not bad, I highly recommend Rolling Rock for a domestic beer. It's unlike any other light (in color and flavor) beer around. It definitely has a "sweet" edge to it, but not sweet like those "berry" beers. Very tasty.
"We're gonna bring it all day, everyday...we're gonna keep grinding it out." - Nick Swisher (4/1/08)
All this talk about beer....
Anyone do a beer journal? Its pretty fun some buddys and I do one here:
http://bierjournal.blogspot.com/
This one makes me giggle:
I must have missed this...
Jeff DaVanon went 2-for-5 in his debut for Triple-A Charlotte on Friday.
DaVanon was a nice pickup for the White Sox, though he's probably not going to get a look unless the White Sox decide they don't have the at-bats available to make it worth carrying both Alexei Ramirez and Carlos Quentin. Someone needs to tell Ozzie Guillen that he's just like Darin Erstad, only if Erstad could still hit a little.
Funny how he would have been a better option than Erstad last season...
because he would have actually come off the bench, which is what Erstad should have done.
True...
and even now, DaVanon would make a decent bench outfielder but we are stacked at the position. DaVanon probably lost any chance of making a major league roster when the Cubs signed Reed Johnson instead of him.
we are still kinda old
he's a good insurance pick up
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
Odd start time...
for today's game. Why did FOX elect to start all three games at the same time this year?
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Apr 5, 2008 12:29 PM CDT reply actions
They used to play them...
at 1 P.M. local time.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Apr 5, 2008 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions
they have two time slots
but I don't think they own the early one until May 12th or something like that.
AIM: SouthSideCheat
what's behind AJ's fast start? video games!
[JC]:
There was a reason White Sox catcher A.J. Pierzynski spent mornings at his locker in spring training playing with his Nintendo DS.And, no, it wasn't training to beat self-proclaimed team ''Madden '08'' champion Matt Thornton.
Pierzynski has been working with a vision-training game on his handheld device with the hope of improving his ability to pick up the baseball. So far, the reviews are good: two home runs, a .529 batting average and a team-high seven RBI through four games.
''With his hand-eye coordination and ability to hit the ball the other way, he should be a big RBI guy,'' teammate Paul Konerko said.
A guy at work said
he heard AJ on the radio during spring training saying he didn't care if he hit ZERO home runs this year, he was going to get his average up and get on base.
Hope it lasts. Would be HUGE.
'08-to-date --- 1 triple to RF against the Sox.
Last season MLB.com and Fox held up games ....
I signed up for Direct TV baseball this season and was expecting to see the Sox at 4:00 P.M. as it was in 2007, no such luck. Here in Florida we are getting the Braves game, only, until 7:00 P.M. The Sox game is only a rumour today for me. How can I help pull them through when I do not know the pitch by pitch details? Very frustrating!
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