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The Cheat is nowhere to be seen, so I figured I'd jump in with a recap of Saturday afternoon's game.

  • Gavin Floyd came up with a performance that will be totally acceptable out of the fifth starter's role for the rest of the year. While not looking great, he didn't look totally horrible. 6 IP, 6 H, 3 ER is a performance that should be good enough to win most games. He got the lead late in the game and held it during his final inning. It seemed like Gavin occasionally ran into problems with two outs, but hopefully that will be something that disappears after getting comfortable.
  • Is there anyone more fun to watch in the lineup right now that Carlos Quentin? He's taking a starting spot and running away with it. I'm not sure which brought more joy to watch, his RBI single in the sixth inning or his absolute bullet from left field to nail a jogging Edgar Renteria trying to return to first base. Bad news for Jerry Owens supporters.
  • Dontrelle Willis couldn't find the plate with a plate-finding machine, and it finally cost him in the sixth inning. Nick Swisher picked up his third walk of the game (and his sixth in this last two games) to start off the action. He may be hitting .200 after five games, but the .478 on-base percentage sure looks sexy. Moreover, he hasn't looked totally overmatched in center.
  • After looking like secondhand horse poo in Spring Training, Jermaine Dye has been locked in to start the year, picking up his second home run in the eighth inning for that all important insurance run.
  • What's up with Orlando Cabrera in the field? He botched a cutoff throw early in the game that led to an early Tiger run, and he's just looked out of sorts at times. He's drawn some walks but hasn't looked much better at the plate either. Could we start seeing Juan Uribe and Alexei Ramirez starting at shortstop on occasion?
  • Toby Hall sucks. Good signing...in theory.
  • Boone Logan, Scott Linebrink, and Bobby Jenks. 3 IP, 0 R. Gave up three hits and Jenks was a little off in the ninth, but there's nothing to be worried about yet. Logan still looks good against lefties and Linebrink is still looking worth the money. Hard to say much after five games, but it's still a hell of a lot more encouraging to see them start out hot.

The Sox go for the sweep tomorrow night on ESPN2, as Mark Buehrle faces Justin Verlander on Sunday Night baseball. Smart money says that Mark won't be quite as bad as he was in Cleveland on Opening Day. We may even see Brian Anderson tomorrow as part of the Sunday Getaway Lineup®, since there are rumors around the Sox clubhouse that he does in fact exist.

 

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Great, start Anderson

against Verlander in his 1st major league game in 11 months.

If he wants to be the best, he has to hit against the best.

'08-to-date --- 1 triple to RF against the Sox.

by ballyb on Apr 5, 2008 10:06 PM CDT reply actions  

Good start

Good start to the season, at least from a fan's excitment level. This team might not compete for a playoff spot eventually, but at least they might provide some entertainment along the way.

Quentin is doing everything we all want: taking Owens' spot away and doing it in such a way that it helps the team win ballgames.now and in the future. The back of the rotation put together back to back solid outings and Dye seems to be turning back the clock.

Health is solid (christ, knock on wood) and Ozzie is actually fielding some decent lineups. The decision to hit Swisher leadoff is pleasantly surprising.

It's a bit disconcerting that it took an injury to Owens to make it happen, but at least it happened.

I really wish this team had some real backups though. Hall and Ozuna shouldn't be anywhere near a MLB diamond.

And how can I not mention the bullpen. In an extremely (and probalby misleading) sample size these guys have come in and nailed some close games down. Linebrink is looking like 4 million well spent, Boone Logan doesn't look like a gas can sitting next to Richard Pryor.

I really just wish Dye could move to LF and switch with Quentin. Quentin's arm and range are much better than Dye's at this point. It might save the Sox a few runs of the course of the season.

by madvillian on Apr 5, 2008 10:16 PM CDT reply actions  

Dye --> RF, probably save more than a few runs.

'08-to-date --- 1 triple to RF against the Sox.

by ballyb on Apr 5, 2008 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Small sample stats.

After todays game, the Sox as a team are

#10 in MLB in BA - .260
#3 (tie) in MLB in OBP - .360
#1 in MLB in SLG - .490
#1 in MLB in OPS - .851

'08-to-date --- 1 triple to RF against the Sox.

by ballyb on Apr 5, 2008 10:26 PM CDT reply actions  

Somehow

I think I will get a kick out of this season reading all the folks who "knew" what was going to happen rationalize why it didnt.

The start is encouraging. The walking is very encouraging.

by Tdogg on Apr 5, 2008 11:00 PM CDT reply actions  

The injury to Owens

and Alexei looking less than ready would seem to be the reason for the Quentin opportunity, which meshes with Ozzie's statement (paraphrasing) that we have depth this year and if someone doesn't perform, they'll lose their job.

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Apr 5, 2008 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thats my point

I think most reasonable folks understood that the difference between this year and last was other options existed. And when the opportunity presented itself by injury or performance the better player would play. Or that Ozzie would be "capable of putting Swisher at the top of the lineup." The great thing is Swisher hasnt hit squat yet. He really hasnt even scored many runs. But he has extended pitchers and shown the team the way with more patience. Its obviously only 5 games in but in mind run scoring will not be a prblem this year.

by Tdogg on Apr 5, 2008 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

his OBP is like .480

it turns out the thing that doesn't slump is plate discipline.

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Apr 5, 2008 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

yea, damn swisher

What a bum, this guy, he only gets on base 48% of the time he goes up there. Jeez, score some more runs buddy.

I get your point, but when he's on base 48% of the time it's kinda like MORE MORE MORE the fault of the guys behind him then Swisher himself.

by madvillian on Apr 5, 2008 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Slugging only .200, too.

'08-to-date --- 1 triple to RF against the Sox.

by ballyb on Apr 6, 2008 7:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thoughts and rebuttals

Floyd was unspectacular, but good enough to get the job done. He had only one poor sequence all game; the 4 straight balls to Jones after getting up on him 0-2. He just has to accept that he's gonna get hit a little bit, and some of those hits will leave the yard. As long as there aren't extra baserunners in the form of walks on the bases, he should keep the Sox in most games.

Swisher has been an absolute joy to watch. After his second at-bat, he had seen 1/3 of the pitches that Willis had throw, after his second he had seen about 1/4. On a day when Willis was terrible, many of the Sox hitters were willing to bail him out. Swisher's 3 walks were the Sox offense prior to Thome's double.

Cabrera is fine. He had a ball eat him up on opening day, and a ball take a weird hop on him (running between his legs) the other day. I haven't seen anything that would make me move him from the SS position. The relay today was one that needed all parts to be executed to absolute perfection to get Jones at home. Swisher made a good catch, a quick turn and throw, but Cabrera didn't have the ball on line. No big deal. Nobody's perfect.

Even when he's making outs, multiple outs, Quentin looks like he belongs. He has a plan at the plate. After getting ahead 2-0, Q took a HR cut fouling a ball straight back. Two pitches later, ahead 3-1, he crushed a low fastball that hooked just foul into the LF seats. On 3-2 he got a slider in exactly the same spot and GIDP'd. It was a poor result, but it was an at-bat that showed a major league approach at the plate.

Quentin's play, along with Owens' return being delayed "until at least next weekend", is quite possibly the best news we could have gotten this spring. It was a little over a month ago that I thought Owens had been handed the starting CF position without an open competition with Quentin, and that might have ended up being the case had Owens not strained his groin.

If the White Sox are going to be the championship team that the White Sox brain trust thinks they can be, one of the main reasons will be that Carlos Quentin and Josh Fields successfully made the leap to become very good offensive players. Jerry Owens at his very best might be an average center fielder, and as such, his presence as de facto leadoff hitter would seem to limit the teams playoff hopes versus a team with a fully-realized Carlos Quentin in the lineup.

Half of that statement has the opportunity to come together, which is better than we could have said a couple weeks ago, when both Fields and Quentin appeared to be buried.

A guy can't go out for a few beers, pizza, and some basketball without being declared "nowhere to be found" ... tough crowd.

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Apr 5, 2008 11:00 PM CDT reply actions  

Pretty much money there Cheat

"many of the Sox hitters were willing to bail him out."

But I do quibble with that. He walked 7 in 5 innings, a huge number. 4 in 5 is still as many as Javy's crap outing had and was the primary reason for his suckfest. Really, the "many" you're referring to are the pop-a-holic 7-8-9 hitters. 1-6, I really really like our lineup right now. Get AJ back in there and Josh too and we're looking at a pretty dangerous lineup outside of whoever is playing 2nd. And we may even have an alternative there too. As far as far as the offense goes, things are looking up right now.

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Apr 5, 2008 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jeez

Thought you'd be happy with a recap up there....LOL

A quote from one of my friends...

"That throw from Quentin was about as close as I've come to turning gay."

He's fun to watch.

by CrossCyed on Apr 5, 2008 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Holy crap, mlb.tv is really annoying to use now

So you have to use Silverlight it looks like (since I couldn't get the old one to load using OS X 10.5 and Firefox) and they took away the feature where you could just click half innings to watch those specific halves. Now you have to use the poorly implemented/designed (one of the two) Silverlight plugin that doesn't even have a fast foward/rewind feature. So you have to hope to click properly and is going to make any systematic re-watching of particular pitches damn near impossible for my setup.

So there goes that particular post idea. I emailed THT's John Walsh to see if how to get my own self into the pitch f/x data. Josh Kalk's player cards haven't been updated yet.

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Apr 5, 2008 11:00 PM CDT reply actions  

No kidding

Took me about five billion clicks to watch Quentin's throw a few times. It was well worth it, though.

by Sox Machine on Apr 5, 2008 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I just can't comprehend why they made a decent product harder to use

Oh wait, exclusive deal for Microsoft's new product? Perhaps some money exchanged hands there? Perhaps? Maybe? Eh?

...Sometimes I really hate Selig. Or maybe I should hate Microsoft for failing to make a decent product again. It's someone.

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Apr 5, 2008 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

the feed quality got better, though

and it autodetects the 16:9 or 4:3 a little bit smoother.

i'm just irked that the SL plugin won't work if adblock plus is turned on.... fuckers.

by thatshortkid on Apr 6, 2008 1:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

ha, that's pretty insidious

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Apr 6, 2008 2:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

ugh

mine was working fine until i read this thread.
i just had to reinstall the NexDef plug-in.
garbage.

shouldve got the package through cable for $30 more.

el birdos 'gus' stole my handle!

by e-gus on Apr 6, 2008 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

3-game win streak and a piece of first place

Last winning streak of this magnitude was at the very end of last season when they strung together 4 wins vs. KC (2) and...drum roll...Detroit (2).

Before that, nothing more than 2 in a row, unless you go back to August 2-5 when they again had strung together 4 wins in a row vs. the Yanks (1) and...drum roll...Detroit (3).

How about a nice sweep tomorrow to really get the Home Opener rockin' - CUE THUNDERSTRUCK!

"We're gonna bring it all day, everyday...we're gonna keep grinding it out." - Nick Swisher (4/1/08)

by tailgater on Apr 5, 2008 11:02 PM CDT reply actions  

we've had Detroit's number since '05, iirc

and I don't know why. Record wise, we have about the same number of wins over that span.

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Apr 5, 2008 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Inge's homer

Was a really nice piece of hitting. He kept his hands very tight to his body and jacked a high fastball tailing in and obviously kept it fair. Not many right-handed hitters could do the same. Farmer had led me to believe Floyd grooved a get-me-over right down the middle before I saw the replay.

by 3E8 on Apr 6, 2008 12:05 AM CDT reply actions  

Inge's homer

I might have to disagree with 3E8 here. Floyd fell behind Inge. And, Inge is a pure inside hitter. FOX even showed a stat breaking down his 300+ average on pitches inside.

After Floyd fell behind, he threw inside heat and Inge was all over it. Good job getting his hands through? Yes... but, Floyd can not be behind in the count there, and he should pound the outside of the plate on Inge at all times.

by P-Hose08 on Apr 6, 2008 12:26 AM CDT reply actions  

where was AJ set up?

if he threw it where AJ wanted it, then Inge beat Floyd on a pitch the battery wanted to make.

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Apr 6, 2008 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

A.J. was set up outside

His fastball tailed in toward the inner half.

by Sox Machine on Apr 6, 2008 12:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

man, Floyd missed by a mile

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Apr 6, 2008 1:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Touché

Although I'm not entirely wrong to think the Sox only carry one catcher.

by Sox Machine on Apr 6, 2008 1:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

stone called it

He mentioned that against Inge you have to make him use the outside half of the plate. He mentioned how that wasn't floyd's strong suit and then 2 pitches later he gave him a ball on the inner half.

by shaftr on Apr 6, 2008 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Inge

Floyd clearly missed his spot... He knew to stay away - no doubt... But when you fall behind hitters in key AB's and have to run up a fastball that MUST catch the plate, you run that risk.

by P-Hose08 on Apr 6, 2008 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Doesn't really matter what Floyd says, he saw it in real-time 60 feet away

We have the advantage of zoomed in slo-mo replays. Here is a screen shot of the ball Inge hit for a homer.

As a pitcher you try to prevent the hitter from getting their arms extended where they can generate the most power. Clearly, Inge's hands are practically pinned against his chest. It was the only way he was going to keep that ball fair and he still hit it 15-20 feet over the wall. It was a great swing, you'll only see a handful like that over the course of a season

by 3E8 on Apr 6, 2008 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

good work.

Just because you are a character doesn't mean you have character.

by Toonderstrook on Apr 6, 2008 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Toonder, I just saw "No Country For Old Men" Thursday

That was a great quote you were using as your sig for awhile. Great flick.

I took the "under".

by winningugly on Apr 6, 2008 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Glad you enjoyed it. I thought it was phenomenal.

Just because you are a character doesn't mean you have character.

by Toonderstrook on Apr 6, 2008 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

agreed on No Country

but I'm a There Will Be Blood kind of guy.

by shaftr on Apr 6, 2008 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

daniel day-lewis is quite a character is his own right

looking forward to seeing that movie.

the thing about No Country is the story is good, the acting is good and it's completely original, but even moreso almost every line in that movie is quotable.

by MarketMaker on Apr 6, 2008 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

The script is taken almost verbatim from the book

Usually good books make bad movies, but this is an exception.

You should check out "The Road" by the same author.

by ChicagoPete on Apr 6, 2008 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cabrera likes 'em in there

especially from Garland. Hopefully we see more than a handful of those this year.

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Apr 6, 2008 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

where'd you get that screencap?

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Apr 6, 2008 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

how long did it take you to get to the right

pitch?

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Apr 6, 2008 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just a minute

You can only skip around the game in like 2-3 minute intervals, but one of the points happened to be right before that home run

by 3E8 on Apr 6, 2008 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

hmm

maybe i should fiddle with it some more to see if i can't cull something from that crap product

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Apr 6, 2008 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Detroit loves Inge

I made the 4 hour trek to watch that game, and that place is crazy about him. They'll be bummed when the fat Cabrera takes back over at third.
The Tiger fans were a pretty well-informed bunch and the SRO had that place packed.

Floyd pitched really well, a lot of first pitch strikes. Id disagree that Jenks was off his game, I think that was an intentional unintentional walk to the red hot Inge since first base was open. Jacque got lucky on that 0-2 pitch for the double, and Bobby took care of Clete for the save.

Left the house at 10am, got home at 10pm. Saw the Sox go over .500, D-Trains first Tiger start(the longer they stick with him, the better it is for us) and paid face value for some cushy(literally) Tigers den seats via Craigs list. All in all a good day.

el birdos 'gus' stole my handle!

by e-gus on Apr 6, 2008 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

if leyland was smart

they'd move cabrera to left and put inge at third. they're not losing anything - and arguably may be gaining a little - but doing that. of course, with all the injuries they're having, inge is being used pretty much everyday anyway so it may well be a better idea to keep cabrera playing third. long term, though...

"Aw, how could he lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico."

by larry on Apr 6, 2008 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Optimizing the lineup once JO gets back

I think that should be the focus in the next two weeks. The first move will, quite obviously, be the Owens for Anderson swap. Logic would seem to indicate that Quentin would continue as an everyday player so long as he's producing, keeping JO in a (somewhat) acceptable fourth outfielder role.

...which leads me to A-Ram. He becomes the third CFer once Owens gets back. It appears that he's also third on the second-base depth chart, and does it really matters who backs up The OC? Taking all of that into consideration, it's probably better for him and for the Sox that he makes his way to Charlotte in the coming weeks.

But who to bring up to replace him? I'd imagine the two candidates would be Bourg and -- if he's healthy -- Richar. And, keeping with the theme of trying to optimize the Sox lineup, I'd say our best bet at second would be some type of quasi platoon with Richar, Uribe and Ozuna (he's in there because I know Ozzie loves him some Pablo), keeping in mind two main 'principles' -- first, (a healthy) Richar is probably our best bet at 2nd against right-handed pitchers, and second, Uribe is far-and-away the best defender we can field at second and, as such, should be substituted in anytime the Sox carry a lead into the 8th.

I hope I'm not making a knee-jerk statement here -- and who knows, perhaps I am -- but I think Kenny put together a better 2008 roster than we gave him credit for. Obviously a lot of that is contingent upon guys who we (I?) expected declines from -- AJ, Thome, Dye and Konerko, namely -- and right now, all four are smacking the ball around quite a bit.

by CWSKeith on Apr 6, 2008 1:03 AM CDT reply actions  

We are Shining Shit and Calling it Gold

And the great thing about baseball is that sometimes that works and the gamblers win. If we get Quentin 500 PA and he goes OPS+ 115... if Richar gets 300 PA and puts up a 275/340/420 line, and Uribe gets 300PA and goes /240/280/430 and the knocks every ball down every with hit gut thus saving 20 runs...

Things could go well.

I really hope they do.

by madvillian on Apr 6, 2008 1:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

The key to the offense will be keeping the older guys healthy

If Thome or JD goes down it's bad news. If AJ goes down it's a nightmare. If everyone stays healthy this is a pretty good offense, especially if you keep Owens away from it.

The big if is the starting pitching. Floyd had a decent debut, but this Contreras situation doesn't look so good. But then again, does any team have the luxury of five good starters? I'm just wondering if they're covering up an injury, wouldn't be the first time the Sox have unloaded a damaged pitcher.

by ChicagoPete on Apr 6, 2008 7:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

uribe's footwork

Is it me or is his footwork at 2nd a little shaky? Normally double plays always seemed to be turned, but now it's 50/50.

by shaftr on Apr 6, 2008 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Also...

Quentin's throw was my favorite spontaneous White Sox moment since Buehrle's final out on the no-no. I called my brother immediately after the throw to which he responded: "Podsednik couldn't've made that throw to second on the fly, much less to first." I was also trying to think of the last time the Sox had a legit arm in LF (full-time player -- Mackowiak doesn't count).

by CWSKeith on Apr 6, 2008 1:09 AM CDT reply actions  

El Caballo had an accurate arm

It wasn't a rifle, but he could make teams pay for running on him. [

by Sox Machine on Apr 6, 2008 1:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Better than the Podsednik stat.

Sox record WITH Carlos Quentin starting in LF - 3 - 0.

Sox record WITHOUT Carlos Quentin starting in LF - 0 - 2.

'08-to-date --- 1 triple to RF against the Sox.

by ballyb on Apr 6, 2008 7:17 AM CDT reply actions  

I am so excited to finally see a Sox game tonight.

Just because you are a character doesn't mean you have character.

by Toonderstrook on Apr 6, 2008 9:34 AM CDT reply actions  

Me too

I've been watching on MLB.TV but it's nothing like getting the game in HD on the bigscreen. If Ozzie doesn't start Quentin tonight I'm gonna be pissed.

I"m going to the Yankees game with my pops and some friends today, really looking forward to seeing them get swept by the Rays and then watching the Sox try and sweep Detroit when I get home.

by madvillian on Apr 6, 2008 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

MLV.TV

Is a lousy product. If you have any way to get your money back and have cable or satellite, buy the Extra Innings package. It's superior in every way. If I had had more time and energy, I would have pressed for a refund. In my dealings with their tech-support people (and even a couple execs), I came away with the strong impression that they were out of their depth. They could never simply admit their capacity was insufficient to meet the increased demand after the DirecTV exclusivity debacle. Amateurs.

by expatnyc on Apr 6, 2008 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

any reccomendtions on how to get Yankee tix?

would like to go to the game vs Toronto on Aug 29, but can't find any sets of 4 together through the yankees website

Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.

by rhythm on Apr 6, 2008 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Feel like watching at George and Walt's?

Or maybe Cato's?

Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.

by rhythm on Apr 6, 2008 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

That bad, eh?

too much jagemeister? or was it the clientèle that did it?

Game starts at 5 - I'll try to roll in by 5:30.

Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.

by rhythm on Apr 6, 2008 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is it just me......

or does Bobby J. kinda look like an angry "religious sect " leader looking for his wide brimmed hat? - Stll love him though...........

by Upperdeck on Apr 6, 2008 10:25 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

he has a following too

Swisher and Hall both have the ridiculous bleached blond chin whiskers.

el birdos 'gus' stole my handle!

by e-gus on Apr 6, 2008 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

highlight

I'm trying to find a clip of Quentin's throw again and have had no luck on ESPN or Whitesox.com. Can anyone help me out and give me a link or post a gif of the play

Bring Back BA

by marco054 on Apr 6, 2008 10:54 AM CDT reply actions  

Ah yes

Nothing like letting the interns plug the game into their xboxes, choosing sim, and letting it fly!

Quite the accurate representation.

"I'll bring the awesome." -The 'Swish'

by Hazymania on Apr 6, 2008 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

verlander at home is gonna be tough

but the sox have taken two of three at the minimum so one has to satisfied with that. a win today is a bonus.

"Aw, how could he lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico."

by larry on Apr 6, 2008 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

historically...

dye rakes (1.422 OPS)
konerko awful (.300 OPS)
aj rakes (1.053 OPS)
thome rakes (1.764 OPS)
crede muh (.708 OPS)
swisher rakes (1.086 OPS)

the rest have faced him less than 10 times.

Just because you are a character doesn't mean you have character.

by Toonderstrook on Apr 6, 2008 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

W-L?

Just the results, baby.

I took the "under".

by winningugly on Apr 6, 2008 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

i expect more out of you

you didn't look at how ucla fared under wooden when looking at ucla's final four odds this season. so looking at w-l, when the team didn't have o-cab, swisher, quentin, etc. doesn't seem to make much sense.

Just because you are a character doesn't mean you have character.

by Toonderstrook on Apr 7, 2008 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Properly chastised, am I

Boy, you must've cranked up the Jaegermeister last night...

And some pitchers just "own" certain teams, no matter who is in the lineup. So the W/L is just another number from which to make a determination. But your stats were very helpful (though not indicitive of actual performances last night).

I took the "under".

by winningugly on Apr 7, 2008 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Baseball Prospectus

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=7319

Toby Hall’s throwing has deteriorated so much that scouts says the White Sox backup is the easiest catcher in the league to run on.

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Apr 6, 2008 1:21 PM CDT reply actions  

which would be fine if he could still hit.

the sox should have no patience for this.

"Aw, how could he lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico."

by larry on Apr 6, 2008 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

they're kinda dependent on whether or not Paul Phillips is a real catcher

But the Toby signing has basically gone as poorly as it could.

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Apr 6, 2008 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

phillips is a better player than hall

which isn't saying much.

"Aw, how could he lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico."

by larry on Apr 6, 2008 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I second that...

At this point, Lucy is better than Hall -- at least he can throw. The Sox did drop Widger mid-season, so maybe they will decide Hall is a sunk cost yet.

by hitlesswonder on Apr 6, 2008 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

How about this

Jake Fox (cubs) for BA and some spare parts? BA fits a couple needs on the cubs roster (right handed 3 position OF defender). Jake Fox is a pretty decent catching prospect, and is blocked by Soto. Cubs wouldn't do ths straight up I don't think, but I think the logic is sound. Flame away!

by Chopper Two Hopper on Apr 6, 2008 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

No flame

logic is sound, which is probably why it won't happen

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by The Cheat on Apr 6, 2008 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

i thought he was being moved from catcher

because he's a horrible one.

"Aw, how could he lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico."

by larry on Apr 6, 2008 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

After investigating Fox a little more, you are correct

I thought Fox was playing only 1st last year when called up because Lee was out on suspension. Admittedly I am a little anxious to replace Hall.

Just an FYI, John Sickels on Fox:
The Cubs drafted Jake Fox in the 3rd round in 2003, from the University of Michigan. He has a strong bat, with plus power to all fields. His strike zone judgement is not the best, and not how his BB / K/ AB ratio have deteriorated after his promotion to Double-A last year. He'll have to improve that if he wants to hit consistently well at the Major League level. Fox has worked hard to sharpen his glovework, which is now average; not great, but good enough for him to play if he hits. I think his power will carry forward, but hitting higher than .250 in the Show might be tough for him, and his OBP would not be impressive. Grade: C+

by Chopper Two Hopper on Apr 6, 2008 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's probably been said but ...

I'd like to see Ramirez get back in there. Sabathia and Carmona aren't the easiest pitchers to debut against. I think it's premature to conclude he doesn't belong or needs more Mrs Dash. 8 at-bats, he was probably nervous and facing nasty pitching. Realistically Quentin probably would have gone something like 1-8 as well.

Its so painfully obvious that Ram should play instead of Uribe. A bottom three of Quentin,Crede and Ramirez would be quite exciting.

by rhombusface on Apr 6, 2008 2:40 PM CDT reply actions  

Cogent points

though all A-Ram's AB's were not against the starters, and he struggled (though his BB and 1B were off the pen).

If he is being groomed for the IF (specifically 2B) he needs more work. New York Times mention in today's paper says becuase of age (26) and experience (Cuba) he would NOT benefit from a trip to the minors.

It's interesting to see so many outlets covering him. Nice buzz on the new kid.

I took the "under".

by winningugly on Apr 6, 2008 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

here

[NYT]:

The Cuban defector Alexei Ramírez, below, is off to a slow start, with one hit and four strikeouts in his first eight at-bats, leaving seven men on base in two losses. But after his strong spring training, the White Sox figure to give him a chance to succeed. At 26 and with Cuban national team experience, he probably would not benefit from time in the minors. Once center fielder Jerry Owens returns from the disabled list, Ramírez figures to pressure Juan Uribe for time at second base. The Sox have already explored Uribe’s trade value by putting him through waivers.

by The Wizard on Apr 6, 2008 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

thanks

i know ozzie likes to use his bench pretty generously, but i was disappointed he gave ozuna the start over ramirez as long as he was giving uribe the day off. as this outfield is looking more and more set, it would be a shame to have the guy losing at-bats be ramirez. i would much rather it be ozuna and uribe.

by MarketMaker on Apr 6, 2008 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's not like they give a whole lot of reasoning for that

and it looks like they overestimate what it means to play on the Cuban national team. How many plate appearances do they actually get playing against top notch competition? My guess is very little.

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Apr 6, 2008 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Weather is FINALLY decent!

And for the opener, look for low 50s, wind from the west at about 10mph. No rain!

Skanberg, if I wanted to hear your opinion, I would have brainwashed you by now-
Don Guillote

by Chiburb on Apr 6, 2008 4:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Sheffield returns, Polanco sits for tonight's game

[JPM]:

Gary Sheffield has returned to the Tigers’ lineup, and Miguel Cabrera is back at third base.

The medical news was less encouraging on second baseman Placido Polanco, who was not expected to start tonight’s game against the White Sox because of stiffness in his lower back.

Detroit manager Jim Leyland said Polanco could still be available as a pinch hitter, so the injury doesn’t appear to be very serious.

Sheffield has not played since Thursday because of a torn tendon in his left ring finger. Cabrera (sore quadriceps muscle) had filled in for Sheffield as the designated hitter.

by The Wizard on Apr 6, 2008 5:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Will they play Raburn in Polanco's place?

That will probably give them a significant boost offensively in and of itself, not to mention having Sheffield back.

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Apr 6, 2008 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd like to see one of our guys....

lay one up the third base line at some point tonight---Cabrera's D is brutal.

by stanchar on Apr 6, 2008 5:50 PM CDT reply actions  

who though?

right handed speed is pretty much absent in our lineup.

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Apr 6, 2008 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

forgot about him

does he bunt?

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Apr 6, 2008 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

why would it have to be a righty?

"Aw, how could he lose the ball in the sun, he's from Mexico."

by larry on Apr 6, 2008 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

lefties usually drag

it wouldn't HAVE to be. but in general.

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Apr 6, 2008 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh man

there was a clip of Cox "teaching" some of the guys baserunning on CSN a few minutes ago. Hilarious.

Swisher had the best yougottbekiddinme body language goin on. Then he talked to the camera and essentially called Cox nuts.

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by The Cheat on Apr 6, 2008 6:00 PM CDT reply actions  

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