Piranha'd
by The Cheat on Apr 9, 2008 11:49 PM CDT
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Not much went right for the White Sox and John Danks on Wednesday night. Danks was pulled with 1 out in the third when he forced Ozzie's second trip to the mound of the inning by walking in a run ushering in Masset time.
Danks failed to make it through the lineup twice, facing only 16 batters in his outing. Of those 16, he walked 3 and struck out two. Simple math tells us that 11 balls were but into play, with 7 of them finding a soft spot in the defense. All 7 hits Danks allowed were singles.
Rounding up Danks outing is a simple one. He was falling behind hitters, and paying for it. When he wasn't falling behind hitters, he was unable to put them away. The Twins didn't really hit him hard, but he was visibly out of sorts with the number of piranhas circling the bases.
Nick Masset came on in "relief" and quickly turned a bad situation worse, clearing the the bases of inherited runners and allowing the games first extra-base hit. After limiting damage for a few innings, allowing the Sox to briefly make a game of it with solo homers by Nick Swisher, Paul Konerko, and Joe Crede, Masset blew up in his fourth inning of work. He walked Delmon Young -- No easy task. Delmon entered the day without a walk in his last 97 trips to the plate -- after being ahead 0-2, then gave up a grand slam to Jason Kubel on the next pitch.
The Twins had scored just 23 runs in their first 8 games (2.75 R/G), yet managed to score 5 runs in an inning twice Wednesday. Not surprisingly, Masset was involved in both innings.
Trivially, the Sox have yet to have a lead after the 3rd or 4th inning this season.
* * * * *
Ozzie Guillen has remained true to his word. He's got it turned up to 11, continuing to call out umpire and Sopranos reject Phil Cuzzi.
"I don't like that guy behind the plate, and I'm going to let him know," said Guillen, during his pregame meeting with the media. "It's one reason if you don't like me as a man and what I do, I respect that. But if you don't like me, and all of a sudden you're going to take it out on my players, you're wrong.
"That's unprofessional, and I just let him know I didn't like him the first day I saw him, and I think he feels the same way about me. Every time he's behind the plate, we might have a problem. We might. We have. I think the last couple times behind the plate, we have a problem."
Ozzie must have known the Sox were gonna stink up the joint Wednesday, so he decided to take the heat off his players. That Ozzie, he's sly like a, well, like a something.
* * * * *
Andy Sisco, obtained from the Royals before the '07 season in exchange for Ross Gload, will undergo Tommy John surgery. Of all the moves Kenny Williams made last off-season, the Sisco deal was on the one I liked best. I thought acquiring a high-upside arm in exchange for a perennnially underutilized career back-up was a great move. Of course, I was basing that assumption off Sisco, who lacked in minor-league seasoning, spending all of 2007 in the Charlotte rotation. The Sox put him on the 2007 opening day roster over Boone Logan, and he never settled into a role.
Sisco was always a bit of a long-shot to succeed, but the Sox, like the Royals before them, never seemed to be focused on the long-term with Sisco. With the injury, Sisco is probably done with the Sox, and maybe done with baseball altogether. He'll be out of options next year, so if the Sox elect to keep him (doubtful) he'll have to go straight from the DL to the bigs with only a rehab assignment to get things straightened out.
In short, adios Andy.
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That was the first time I've bailed on a game in a while, but it was really frustrating to watch those bloops and bleeps and I guess I couldn't rationalize them away. How did BA and The Missile's at bats go?
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
by colintj on Apr 10, 2008 12:06 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think the box score is too kind to Masset
It has Masset down for five earned runs, but I'm counting six, what with the:
That makes six, if I'm not mistaken.
by Sox Machine on Apr 10, 2008 12:06 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Unless
Lamb doesn't count as a Masset runner because he grounded into a fielder's choice.
by Sox Machine on Apr 10, 2008 12:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everett followed up with a FC, I mean
Not Lamb. I'll hang up and wait for my answer.
by Sox Machine on Apr 10, 2008 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure
I hadn't noticed, but you're right that it seems like that could be charged to Masset, since he reached base on his watch.
AIM: SouthSideCheat
by The Cheat on Apr 10, 2008 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah if ERA has anything to do with what SSS thinks as a majority
i think we could pass this sucker
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
by colintj on Apr 10, 2008 1:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
16, 499
It's gone unsaid, but that's probably the lowest attendance for non-makeup night game since early '05.
Hawk was pushing season tix too hard on opening weekend, I knew the ticket base was down, but coming in that far under 20K is surprising. I bet we see some even lower totals than that this season.
AIM: SouthSideCheat
by The Cheat on Apr 10, 2008 12:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
So this is what Kenny knew he needed to be fighting against
with this farm dump. It's hard to blame him I suppose, but again this is one game, the weather was pretty miserable from the looks of it and they did go 72-90 last year.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
by colintj on Apr 10, 2008 1:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I smelled something too with that Swisher trade
I don't think this is something he wanted to do, especially after accumulating young arms the prior offseason.
by ChicagoPete on Apr 10, 2008 7:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was freezing, it was mid-week, and we're in a recession
Let's not jump to conclusions. And Swish has been a pretty good trade thus far. And, last time I looked, the play of the team has improved significantly, as has the attitude, becuase of the trade.
No conspiracy theories, please. How about maybe it was a good baseball move?
I took the "under".
by winningugly on Apr 10, 2008 7:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And it was a school night...wait until June
"We're gonna bring it all day, everyday...we're gonna keep grinding it out." - Nick Swisher (4/1/08)
by tailgater on Apr 10, 2008 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
16,499 paid, probably half of that probably attended
You didn't see the game on TV, the bleachers were deserted. To put it in perspective, last April the lowest attendance for any game for the entire month was 23,139. When weather is as shitty as last night you have zero walk up sales, so that attendance figure is pure season ticket holders. It's got nothing to do with conspiracy, the season ticket sales are way down - looks like a third based on last night. Simple math Columbo, I hope you use better deductive reasoning when you're trading for clients.
by ChicagoPete on Apr 10, 2008 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But last year, Spring Break lasted all of April
as opposed to March this year. College kids were partying hearty at the Cell, some even stayed through May! You could look it up.
Actually, with a temp of 42 and 16 MPH winds producing wind chills in the 20s I'm surprised anyone was there.
Skanberg, if I wanted to hear your opinion, I would have brainwashed you by now-
Don Guillote
by Chiburb on Apr 10, 2008 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus that was the 2nd game of the year
A lot of people who get shut out of opening day tickets will buy advanced tickets for Game 2. So that attendance figure includes season tickets and a decent chunk of advance sales too.
Remember the odd timing of the Stone hire for radio this spring? Mike North said radio ad sales were down. Larry could answer more definitively, but I'm pretty sure the Sox have a lot of skin in the game with radio and TV advertising sales too.
by ChicagoPete on Apr 10, 2008 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta take issue with this, Pete.
2nd home game of the year is consistently the smallest crowd of the year, IMO (and I've read this).
Sox without Carlos Quentin, 0 - 2.
by ballyb on Apr 10, 2008 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, you're right
I was just thinking back to personal experience from 2006 after the WS. I couldn't get an opening day ticket for the life of me, and just ended up settling on going to Game 2.
But if that's the case and there were minimal advance sales and zero walkup sales, then last night is a pretty good reflection of the full season ticket packages sold.
A good start for the Sox is VERY important this year. If they don't play well and attendance lags, look for White Flag Part Deux.
by ChicagoPete on Apr 10, 2008 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats the full and weekend partial
Weekend partial gets the second game - weekday gets the first.
Help! My groin's fallen and I can't get it up!
by Brush Back on Apr 10, 2008 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, whatever the mix is
Last night was a third lower than the lowest attendance for ANY game last April.
by ChicagoPete on Apr 10, 2008 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Always personalizing, eh Pete?
As soon as anyone (well, at least me) critiques anything it gets personal. Learn to play nice, would you? I saw the game on mlb.tv (remember, Einstein, how I posted that you were a minute ahead of me, even though I was watching?).
I don't agree with your reasoning. It's OK to disagree, right? Or is that not allowed in your world?
I took the "under".
by winningugly on Apr 10, 2008 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
30 seconds as I recall.
Skanberg, if I wanted to hear your opinion, I would have brainwashed you by now-
Don Guillote
by Chiburb on Apr 10, 2008 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're one to talk
At least this is a step above your "U R a fag" posts of a few days ago
by ChicagoPete on Apr 10, 2008 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it was a "Master Card users are poofs"
line, and it clearly was said without malice, directed at no one. Perhaps you are thinking of some other slight, because I can't believe you'd hang your hat on that one.
I took the "under".
by winningugly on Apr 10, 2008 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go reread your shit, you were probably too drunk to remember
by ChicagoPete on Apr 10, 2008 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
from the guy who was pointing everyone to the "how to disagree" fanpost
i would think you'd be able to recognize the rather obvious humor from anyone posting "U R a fag," if WU did indeed post such a thing, considering that was the exhibit A in the article for how to not disagree. settle down a little.
somewhere in arizona, jerry owens silently weeps.
by larry on Apr 10, 2008 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He started it
If he wants to play that shit then he shouldn't come back and cry like a bitch when I fire back at him.
by ChicagoPete on Apr 10, 2008 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man, when you miss your Ritalin dose
you are a coiled spring, aint'cha?
I took the "under".
by winningugly on Apr 10, 2008 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You thought I was gonna let that shit slide didn't you?
Vengeance is a dish best served cold.
by ChicagoPete on Apr 10, 2008 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have never had a cold day in your life
White Heat. Cagney's gotta be your inspiration. "Top o' the world, Ma!!!" is how I picture a day in the life.
I took the "under".
by winningugly on Apr 10, 2008 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm in the middle of 3 real estate deals as we speak, waiting for the phone to ring
I'm en fuego baby!
by ChicagoPete on Apr 10, 2008 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow
why don't you 2 bitches clean the sand out of your va-jj's and quit bickering like 4 year old girls. You 2 sound like Nile's and Frasier. Actually keep fighting it's kind of entertaining.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Apr 10, 2008 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You want some too?
You're lucky I don't beat up retarded kids.
by ChicagoPete on Apr 10, 2008 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey pete
is that your boyfriend in the picture with you?
by Where Triples Go to Die on Apr 10, 2008 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's your A game huh?
"U R a fag", that's painful.
by ChicagoPete on Apr 10, 2008 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was being
facetious. thats actually my B game.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Apr 10, 2008 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's your B game?
Oh, then please don't hurt me. I'm sorry, whimper whimper
by ChicagoPete on Apr 10, 2008 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last night:
I hope they win this one in
convincing fashion because I doubt they'll play tomorrow. I can't imagine this site on an off day after a bummer.
by Chiburb on Apr 9, 2008 7:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Skanberg, if I wanted to hear your opinion, I would have brainwashed you by now-
Don Guillote
by Chiburb on Apr 10, 2008 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait till Thome's batting .200 in July
and attendance is 12,000 a night. Sharpen your knives boys.
by ChicagoPete on Apr 10, 2008 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The A game is CAPS
AIM: SouthSideCheat
by The Cheat on Apr 10, 2008 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Consistent as usual, SoB
Contradicting youself within 2 sentences. You are equally entertaining, my man. And I'm on record - I don't want you to EVER stop posting.
;)
I took the "under".
by winningugly on Apr 10, 2008 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
in this case, you're like those people who watch jerry springer just to feel better about themselves, aren't you? ;-)
Just because you are a character doesn't mean you have character.
by Toonderstrook on Apr 10, 2008 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, my self-esteem has been bushwhacked
by Pete, so I need the rebuilding.
Plus, I'm German, and have the schadenfreude thing happening. I can't help it.
I took the "under".
by winningugly on Apr 10, 2008 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i understand the schadenfreude,
but it seems less appealing when you are soliciting it.
Just because you are a character doesn't mean you have character.
by Toonderstrook on Apr 10, 2008 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks WU
"Can you repeat the question?"
by Where Triples Go to Die on Apr 10, 2008 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
15,153
That was the attendance for the second home game of last year. Looks like the weather was much better in 2007, at a breezy 60 degrees.
Optimist
by Peder on Apr 10, 2008 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our oldest surviving member of SSS comes with a reality-based post!
At least I think User ID #9 makes you the oldest.
Best of all, you smacked that CrazyPete.
Nice job.
Skanberg, if I wanted to hear your opinion, I would have brainwashed you by now-
Don Guillote
by Chiburb on Apr 10, 2008 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um...
That game was played in Oakland...
AIM: SouthSideCheat
by The Cheat on Apr 10, 2008 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
shit. I want Peder's UI #9 changes to #9999
sigh
Skanberg, if I wanted to hear your opinion, I would have brainwashed you by now-
Don Guillote
by Chiburb on Apr 10, 2008 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
btw, i think shaftr is like #4.
Just because you are a character doesn't mean you have character.
by Toonderstrook on Apr 10, 2008 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
9 used to be greater than 4. no more.
Skanberg, if I wanted to hear your opinion, I would have brainwashed you by now-
Don Guillote
by Chiburb on Apr 10, 2008 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody likes to see Pete smacked
more than me, but that was goddamn funny.
Time to extrapolate our attendance based upon Oakland's history. We'll soon be drawing 800K/year if we're not careful.
I took the "under".
by winningugly on Apr 10, 2008 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also
The Sox should just move the start of tomorrow's game up a few hours... Why are they playing at night anyway?
It's gonna be brutal, if they even get it in
AIM: SouthSideCheat
by The Cheat on Apr 10, 2008 12:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Gonzo mailbag goodness
First, why isn't Juan Uribe getting more credit for the great job he is doing at second base? Second, how long can we ride the ineffectiveness of Konerko as our number four hitter? The fans seem to give Paul every benefit of the doubt. I think Kenny missed the opportunity to trade him two years ago. On average, he just isn't a tough at bat.
AIM: SouthSideCheat
by The Cheat on Apr 10, 2008 12:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
His OBP is pretty impressive for someone that was slumping prior to that dong.
Pretty sure I'm going to substitute "dong" for any other form of "HR" considering the response it received last time.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
by colintj on Apr 10, 2008 1:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Funny how...
two of the 'smaller' moves Kenny made over the past year-and-a-half (I think that's a fair timespan) that a good amount of us applauded -- signing Hall and the Sisco-for-Gload deal -- have turned out so miserably.
by CWSKeith on Apr 10, 2008 1:14 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
true
but part of the reason we all liked them was the low risk.
by shaftr on Apr 10, 2008 7:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We "all" didn't like them
I hated both of them - never liked Sisco's performance (and am a large fan of Gload) and thought Hall was washed up after watching him in Tampa.
Low risk, perhaps, but we still have a glaring hole in our backup C, and last year we really depended upon these guys to plug the dearth of "role" guys. No help. All told, very disappointing (especially seeing Gload hitting over .300).
I took the "under".
by winningugly on Apr 10, 2008 7:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I liked the Hall signing...
but was not so much a fan of trading Ross Gload. In fact, I wanted Ross Gload to be the starting first baseman before they brought back Konerko.
I didn't think that Sisco was such a bad return for Gload, though.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Apr 10, 2008 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you wanted gload to start at first base?
a guy who has like a .750 OPS as a starter? who was entering his age 30 season? i would hope to god the sox could have found someone slightly better than that to play a corner position. gload is a bench player. a very useful one but still a bench player. if 1Bs are a dime a dozen, 1Bs who produce like gload are threepence a dozen.
somewhere in arizona, jerry owens silently weeps.
by larry on Apr 10, 2008 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did...
at least for a couple of years, until he got expensive, at which point I'd have dumped him for another fungible first baseman. I thought the Sox would be better served spending money at other positions, and Gload, although not an all-star, would have been just fine.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Apr 10, 2008 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wanted him for part-time LF, PH, and spelling Paulie
which might've fit in pretty well last year, IIRC, as we had a couple of minor issues in the OF. But I think he got hurt last year, didn't he?
I took the "under".
by winningugly on Apr 10, 2008 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow. that would have been fucking awful.
a well below average 1B? we talked yesterday how 1Bs are a dime a dozen. that is a not position you totally punt on in order to spend money elsewhere.
somewhere in arizona, jerry owens silently weeps.
by larry on Apr 10, 2008 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think that...
Gload is so far below average. Every time he's been healthy and gotten a chance to play, he's hit. I thought it a superior option to giving Paul Konerko a long-term, 8-figure contract.
But it's academic now - we're arguing a scenario that's two years in the past. He's gone, the Sox are stuck with Konerko, and like you said, guys like Gload aren't too hard to find. Gload's main attraction to me was that he was cheap and decent. If you think he sucks and has always sucked, then I guess that's where we differ.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Apr 10, 2008 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i pointed out
that he was worse when he did get a chance to play, i.e. start. he's well below average for a 1B. he's your classic bench player.
somewhere in arizona, jerry owens silently weeps.
by larry on Apr 10, 2008 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He really only has one (partial) season...
as a starter, in his age-31 season. I don't think that's the final word on Gload's abilities, especially since most of his prime years were wasted in the minors.
But like I said, it's academic now. It's not like I'm pining for the guy. I just thought he was pretty decent.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Apr 10, 2008 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, just wow
Konerko is like Anne Hathaway. Above average, but not amazing. Steady, always performs. Someone that you wouldn't be afraid to brag to your friends about.
Gload is like that girl at the corner of the bar, who is somewhat attractive. Slightly overweight but with a cute face. She's smoking Parliament lights, drinking a Miller Lite, and giving you the eye.
From this comparison when can deduct: Just because it’s easier, doesn’t mean its better.
"You might be impressed with your analysis, but I am not. Stop wasting my time." - Chris De Luca
by BoKnows on Apr 10, 2008 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a pretty tortured analogy.
My thinking was simple - the difference in production wasn't worth the difference in cost.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Apr 10, 2008 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not that tortured
you like chubby girls.
somewhere in arizona, jerry owens silently weeps.
by larry on Apr 10, 2008 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anne Hathaway
is the hottest cartoon anyone has ever drawn. Not counting Daphne from Scooby-Doo.
Anne's eyes and mouth are so big, sometimes she looks like Jani Lane in the Cherry Pie video...
Mosi Tatupu! Mosi Tatupu!
by Nordhagen on Apr 10, 2008 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would think...
today's game will be canceled during the day....
by stanchar on Apr 10, 2008 7:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i'M very late to the party here, and I'm
sure someone probably mentioned it on last night's game thread (I haven't looked yet), but how in the hell does Ozzie not have Thornton ready to face kUBEL IN THE SIXTH? Unforgiveable. That game is winnable if they get out of that inning. Absolutely inexcusable, taking into account every angle. INEXCUSABLE.
by dantesox on Apr 10, 2008 8:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh
It was 0-2 to Young and somehow Massett managed to walk one of the least patient hitters in the league.
What's really inexcusable is having Massett on the 25 man roster. I don't blame Ozzie for using what he's been given.
by madvillian on Apr 10, 2008 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and he did....then didn't.
They got enough out of Masset at that point.....INEXCUSABLE. i don't like Masset either, but that's not the point. If you're not using tHORNTON THEN, WHAT GOOD IS HE? Horrible game strategy/management. INEXCUSABLE.
by dantesox on Apr 10, 2008 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...it made no sense to me as well
that Thornton was not in to face Kuble.
by stanchar on Apr 10, 2008 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i can't f*****' believe nobody grilled Guillen
about that after the game, either, to my knowledge. Then, he's in the next inning anyway. I could go on and on. Unbelievable.
by dantesox on Apr 10, 2008 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cheat, Wiz...
So in GT#1 last night, I asked if maybe SSS shouldn't go boldly where no others have gone and completely eliminate AVG as a stat in the header. Possibly remove RBI too, and replace them with OBP, SLG, and even Runs Created.
Obviously, this idea was inspired by that Daily Herald writer (credit where it's due).
Or...
Is it more a function of a data feed that SSS receives from SBN that doesn't include the above? Would require manual calculations and uploads? If so, call me Emily Latella. You guys already do enough around here.
Skanberg, if I wanted to hear your opinion, I would have brainwashed you by now-
Don Guillote
by Chiburb on Apr 10, 2008 9:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
lineup info
I'll try to play with it...
by The Wizard on Apr 10, 2008 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Back to Thome - no need to panic (about his walk rate at least)
Tip of the hat to 3E8, he pointed out last night that fangraphs actually plots out game-by-game BB/PA. This is pretty cool, here is Thome for 2007. I didn't think tjhe walk rate for a hitter this disciplined would have such wild extremes to the bottom of the chart:
And here's his career, his walk rate will be fine:
by ChicagoPete on Apr 10, 2008 9:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Pardon me - that top chart is not for 2007, it's for the past five years
This looks like his 4th really wicked BB slump since 2003.
by ChicagoPete on Apr 10, 2008 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It points out a couple of things -
you are not imagining a steep decline in his BB rate. He has been here before.
However, it's 15-16 years since he's been this low, and it's sure not a stretch to infer that it might be a concern because of his age.
That's an ugly chart unless it's Berkshire Hathaway. I'm not sure I'd buy today. It's still only 3o games, but the trend is not your friend on this one.
Nice charts. (Stay away from conspiracy theories and you're on top of your game.)
I took the "under".
by winningugly on Apr 10, 2008 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Every ship at the bottom of the ocean has a chart.
Skanberg, if I wanted to hear your opinion, I would have brainwashed you by now-
Don Guillote
by Chiburb on Apr 10, 2008 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, that top chart is really interesting
There's a really identifiable downtrend in that walk rate starting from his return from the DL last year. His walk rate got under 17% last July or so and has been going steadily downhill ever since. Obviously he's going to bounce back from zero, but he's been in a walk slump for at least 3 months.
Maybe DJ was right last night - maybe pitchers don't fear him as much and they're attacking him much more aggressively now. Either he punishes them for that, or he's not long for this world.
by ChicagoPete on Apr 10, 2008 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
carmona signs 7 year deal
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/baseball/mlb/04/10/carmona.signs.ap/index.html
somewhere in arizona, jerry owens silently weeps.
by larry on Apr 10, 2008 10:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That's the hip thing these days, isn't it?
signing one's pre-arb players to long-term deals.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Apr 10, 2008 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
copycats
the sox started that twenty years ago.
somewhere in arizona, jerry owens silently weeps.
by larry on Apr 10, 2008 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They stopped it at some point
Ventura being example #1. Who did they lock up in the '80's? I really don't remember - stuck in the '70's one year wonder deals. Who other than Big Frank stuck around for most of his career (assuming there was a LONG career)?
I took the "under".
by winningugly on Apr 10, 2008 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ventura is example #1
of doing just what i'm talking about. ventura left the sox when he was like 30 after about ten seasons here. it's not like teams are signing players to lifetime contracts or something. i'm talking about signing pre-arb or arb players to deal that buy out arb years and/or free agent years.
somewhere in arizona, jerry owens silently weeps.
by larry on Apr 10, 2008 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, OK, but I think they still let go of him too soon.
So, to your point, who else did they lock up? Baines, I would think, would be the prime example but I don't remember his contracts.
They certainly stopped offering longer-term contracts after Joey B., IIRC.
I took the "under".
by winningugly on Apr 10, 2008 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow
You gotta hand it to Cleveland, that's been their MO since the 90's and it's worked very well for them.
by ChicagoPete on Apr 10, 2008 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Club option for 2012-14
sounds better. Injuns are smart - since the early '90'sthey've been locking up young talent to what amounts to cheap money. Plus, may as well get 'em when they are young and ignorant to the idea that Cleveland is maybe not the greatest place to live.
(No offense, Clevelanders.)
I took the "under".
by winningugly on Apr 10, 2008 10:52 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And from Carmona's perspective...
even if he gets hurt in his next start and can never pitch again, he's still going to make a ton of money. These type of deals are pretty much win-win.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Apr 10, 2008 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
guaranteed $15M
somewhere in arizona, jerry owens silently weeps.
by larry on Apr 10, 2008 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
7 years for pitchers usually doesn't work out well.
And fuck you to you and Pete. Come on, I think of this site as my Partridge Family.
Sox without Carlos Quentin, 0 - 2.
by ballyb on Apr 10, 2008 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking more like Scarface
Fuck you you fucking fuck!
by ChicagoPete on Apr 10, 2008 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My Three Sons
Flipper
Gidget
The Bob Newhart Show
.
.
.
.
.
Stay away from conflict!
Sox without Carlos Quentin, 0 - 2.
by ballyb on Apr 10, 2008 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Colin is my little buddy Gilligan
by ChicagoPete on Apr 10, 2008 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
With Bhoov as the Professor?
And WU as Mr. Howell?
Skanberg, if I wanted to hear your opinion, I would have brainwashed you by now-
Don Guillote
by Chiburb on Apr 10, 2008 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking he's more like Lovie
Just kidding - NOT! U R a FAG!!!!!!!!!
by ChicagoPete on Apr 10, 2008 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How could I forget Gilligan's Island?
Skipper got too pissed at Gilligan for my liking.
Sox without Carlos Quentin, 0 - 2.
by ballyb on Apr 10, 2008 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then, from your era:
December Bride
Make Room For Daddy
My Friend Flicka
Rin Tin Tin
and
Mighty Mouse
Skanberg, if I wanted to hear your opinion, I would have brainwashed you by now-
Don Guillote
by Chiburb on Apr 10, 2008 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Incestual? Rumor had it that D-Cass and Shir-Jo made eyes at each other.
And Danny Bonaduce turned out great, didn't he? Susan Dey - whore! The little girl - I have no idea, but probably in some halfway house.
Aim higher, bb!
I took the "under".
by winningugly on Apr 10, 2008 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What are the odds they call tonight's game before, say 5:00?
Sox without Carlos Quentin, 0 - 2.
by ballyb on Apr 10, 2008 11:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll say at noon. Look at the hour by hour 'cast here (scroll down):
http://www.wbbm780.com/topic/weather.php
And current windchill is 28 f'n degrees! At OHare! Colder here, Bally.
Skanberg, if I wanted to hear your opinion, I would have brainwashed you by now-
Don Guillote
by Chiburb on Apr 10, 2008 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Minnesota has a foot of snow don't they?
Now that's a god forsaken place. Foot of snow in the middle of April, how depressing is that.
by ChicagoPete on Apr 10, 2008 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jeez - now I really do feel bad for you guys
Sunny and 80 here.
I took the "under".
by winningugly on Apr 10, 2008 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but you gotta live in fucking Orlando.
Sox without Carlos Quentin, 0 - 2.
by ballyb on Apr 10, 2008 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where will the cancellation (if) be 1st reported?
Sox without Carlos Quentin, 0 - 2.
by ballyb on Apr 10, 2008 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd guess 'SCR or the Sox website.
Never paid much attention in the past, just somehow "heard".
Skanberg, if I wanted to hear your opinion, I would have brainwashed you by now-
Don Guillote
by Chiburb on Apr 10, 2008 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
JRE will get a Press Release
Skanberg, if I wanted to hear your opinion, I would have brainwashed you by now-
Don Guillote
by Chiburb on Apr 10, 2008 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Schweinhunds
I hate it when the other side of the negotiation uses the same tactics I use - he's stealing my moves!
by ChicagoPete on Apr 10, 2008 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he threatened to bring out the gimp?
Just because you are a character doesn't mean you have character.
by Toonderstrook on Apr 10, 2008 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He wordlessly laid a gun on the table, fucker
It looks like I shall be able to divulge all soon, you guys will get a kick out of this one thing I'm working on.
by ChicagoPete on Apr 10, 2008 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is good, you lawyers would like this
I really thought I had him by the shorthairs and structured my price accordingly. He counteroffered as if he had ME by the shorthairs, the bastard. Very clever, knocked me on my heels. But now I've got a different party who just stepped in that's very interested in what I have, so now I've got the upper hand again. Hah, I spit on your grave!
by ChicagoPete on Apr 10, 2008 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our pitching has sucked.
We are LAST in the AL w/ a 5.4 ERA, 3rd from bottom in MLB (Florida, Pittsburgh).
A lot like '06 - 1st half we had a great record via HITTING, but our pitching sucked.
Pitching and defense.
by ballyb on Apr 10, 2008 12:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
game canceled tonight
to be made up on 6/9
heard it from scott reifert
by hugh on Apr 10, 2008 1:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll wait for the press release
JRE isn't here.
Skanberg, if I wanted to hear your opinion, I would have brainwashed you by now-
Don Guillote
by Chiburb on Apr 10, 2008 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cool. 1:19 later than the predicted 12:00
Thx, and JRE thx you too.
Skanberg, if I wanted to hear your opinion, I would have brainwashed you by now-
Don Guillote
by Chiburb on Apr 10, 2008 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup.
Good to know.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Apr 10, 2008 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The worst part about attending last night's game
wasn't the extremely cold weather (which was bad) or the play on the field (which was really bad), but the fact that the Sox don't have any Quentin t-shirts for sale. They said that there is very little chance that they'll even get them this season.
How is this bandwagon supposed to get rolling without proper attire?
by BustedFlush on Apr 10, 2008 2:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Will this tide you over?
Skanberg, if I wanted to hear your opinion, I would have brainwashed you by now-
Don Guillote
by Chiburb on Apr 10, 2008 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not bad, Chiburb.
And "They said that there is very little chance that they'll even get them this season."
Yeah, shirts for the Super Bowl, NBA Championship, World Series, etc. winners are available throughout the universe THE DAY AFTER said event. We get a very decent young player who's also smart and good looking, and our fans have to wait til next year?
Not likely. All those young honeys will forget Scott Podsednik even played in Chicago once they get QUENTIN plastered on their backs.
Try back in a week or so.
Pitching and defense.
by ballyb on Apr 10, 2008 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
as far as attendance goes
I am really suprised too that no one was there last night. It actually pisses me off that we have (for the most part) such a lame fan base. No wonder cub fans gloat all the time. Rain, sleet, hail, and snow cub fans will always fill the park. Although the fans that were at the game last night were hilarious.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Apr 10, 2008 2:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Were you out there?
Pitching and defense.
by ballyb on Apr 10, 2008 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, next time you compare us to Cub fans....
I'm going to break into your house and dump all over Pottery Barn end table.
'Next year''s are for Cub fans!
by oscargamble33 on Apr 10, 2008 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU???
Why don't you clean all of the boy butter off of your glasses and re-read what I wrote. I never "compared" us to cub fans. I said no wonder they gloat... they show up to games. BallyB no I wasn't at the game but I heard fans screaming some funny ass shit over the TV like "OZZIE WE'VE SEEN ENOUGH!" when Danks was getting tagged.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Apr 11, 2008 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Choch....
I am really suprised too that no one was there last night. It actually pisses me off that we have (for the most part) such a lame fan base. No wonder cub fans gloat all the time. Rain, sleet, hail, and snow cub fans will always fill the park. Although the fans that were at the game last night were hilarious.
My oh my you are hostile. No, you didn't compare us to Cub fans. You just called Sox fans lame.
Cub fans attend baseball games to get drunk and sing Take Me Out To The Ballgame. It has NOTHING to do with the product.
Sox fans didn't attend a game played in uncomfortable climate played at an obscene time so the team can make more money? Again, I pride us (Sox fans) for our good sense.
I don't know why you would come to a Sox fan blog and dump on Sox fans, but obviously you enjoy conflict so I'll make your day. If you think being a true fan is blind loyalty to an organization, I hear the Cubs, Bulls, and Bears fan clubs are still taking applications. They have very good Kool-Aid from what I can tell.
I love that we Sox fans (and Hawk fans) show their protest by keeping their money in their pocket. Make better decisions Kenny and schedule the games at reasonable seasonal times Jerry and we will show. It has been proven.
AND the fact YOU weren't even there?? Well, what kind of fan are you? Pretty lame by your own definition.
I hope this didn't keep you from getting your Mercedes detailed.
'Next year''s are for Cub fans!
by oscargamble33 on Apr 11, 2008 1:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i think maybe you mean camaro.
Just because you are a character doesn't mean you have character.
by Toonderstrook on Apr 11, 2008 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are sadly mistaken my freind
You were wrong by calling me out when you didn't even read my post. Toonderstrook drives a Geo Metro. It saves him money on gas.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Apr 11, 2008 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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