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Are The White Sox The Worst Coached Team in MLB?

My last entry, the Orlando Cabrera-Greg Walker Can You Find Right Field salvo, was extraordinarily well timed. There was a stark difference between the execution of the two teams on the field in Tuesday night's 2-0 loss to the Angels.

The Angels hitters were content to hit the ball the opposite way, to hit the ball where it was pitched, and generally looked like they had a plan at the plate, on the basepaths and in the field. Meanwhile, the White Sox appeared allergic to the opposite field, lacked any plan at the plate, gave up a free bases at nearly every opportunity, and topped it off with some poor defensive play in right field which led to the winning runs. In all honesty I don't think I've ever seen such a contrast in fundamentals in a single game.

  • The Angels stole 3 bases on John Danks. Two were completely uncontested, and the third was so easy that the runner didn't even bother to get anything more than a one-step lead. They had him read like a book, and Pierzynski never stood a chance at throwing out a runner.

  • The Angels right-handed hitters were content to poke the ball into right field, and did so at least twice on 0-2 counts on balls out of the zone. I've attached an image from MLB's GameDay to illustrate. That mass of blue in right field is 6 opposite field hits by right-handed Halos and a 3-0 rope from Garret Anderson, which was yet another example of a hitter with a plan. Anderson was looking for a fastball, and roped a high, 95 MPH pitch from left-hander Matt Thornton.

    About the only bad thing I can say about the Angels play on Tuesday was that Anderson didn't make it to second on the play. He laid out a rope in front of Jermaine Dye, and just assumed it was going to be caught. It's a play Anderson knows well, as he's a poor outfielder who is know relegated to DH duties. Yet he was genuinely surprised that Dye was unable to come up with the ball that set up the game-winning situation.

  • With runners on the corners and nobody out, Mike Napoli flew out deep to Nick Swisher, who decided to air mail his throw to the plate allowing Anderson to get into second base uncontested. Swisher's failure to hit the cutoff man is not an isolated incident. I would need two hands to count the times he's missed the middle-man, and his replacements in center field have been just as bad. Brian Anderson and Alexei Ramirez have each missed the cutoff man multiple times (in one game). It's such a simple task, and yet the Sox don't have a single center fielder who feels the need to be fundamentally sound in the throwing game.

If these were isolated incidents I could let them go, but you add them up with the Sox inability to properly execute a rundown, with Sox hitters HR-or-nothing approach at the plate, and you can only draw one of two conclusions, neither of which is encouraging:

  1. The Sox (in general) are poorly coached.
  2. The Sox players have completely tuned out their coaching staff

The Twins announcers questioned the White Sox batting practice routine last week, observing that it looked like a homerun hitting contest. Meanwhile the Twins were practicing bunts, situational hitting, opposite field hitting. After watching the Angels on Tuesday, I can guarantee their batting practice is more Twins-like than Sox-like... It should come as no surprise that the Sox are 0-10 this season when they fail to hit a HR.

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It's unfortunate that I had to spend this recap talking about the coaching and lack of fundamentals, because there were a few bright spots in the game.
  • Danks, aside from the stolen bases, was excellent. So much so that I protested him being pulled from the game when Ozzie game out to get him in the 7th.
  • Octavio Dotel did his best El Duque impersonation, throwing balls out of the zone to get strikeouts with the bases loaded. Dotel has been on a roll recently. In his last 8 outings, he's pitched 9.1 innings, allowing 6 hits, 2 walks, and 16 strikeouts. Unfortunately, thanks to the poor defense and fundamentals, that 6th hit put him on the hook for the loss, dampening an otherwise stellar relief outing.
  • Carlos Quentin is still dreamy.

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Hate to have one of those "we told you so" moments, but...

it’s so appropriate that a bad defensive effort by Dye leads to the game-winning run crossing homeplate. Really, Dye didn’t even need to catch the ball… if he keeps it in front of him and doesn’t boot the ball ten feet to his left, I doubt Hunter is getting into third (admittedly I could be wrong on this—on WCIU they only gave the shot of Anderson figuring that ball was getting caught, and as Cheat notes he was walking out of the box).

As far as the Walker saga, it’s pretty ridiculous… I’m not of the camp that hiring a new hitting coach would do a whole helluva lot, but if you can’t fire the hitting coach when the offense has basically been stagnant for close to two years (going back to the second half of 2006), when can you fire him?

I’ve tried not to get caught up in the anger that’s been flowing - I’m sort of with JRE in the sense that average-ness was to be expected - but it was tough to not get angry tonight.

by CWSKeith on May 14, 2008 1:54 AM CDT   0 recs

Disappointment

Watching the Sox waste their starting pitching through incompetence is hard. I agree that I didn’t expect the Sox to be good this year, so I’m not checking into rehab over this.

But it’s frustrating to see the unexpected positive performances happen: Danks, Quentin, Floyd, and then have that torpedoed by bad defense and Konerko, Thome, Swisher, and Cabrera being wretched at the plate.

It’s hard for me to judge coaching, but the Sox hitters do seem continually fail in the same ways. It would be heartening to the feeling the some adjustment was being tried.

by hitlesswonder on May 14, 2008 11:24 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The more things change, the more they stay the same...the coaching staff is the constant this year

It’s interesting that before this series the two principals of the OCab/Garland trade gave some unusually candid (for cliche’ spouting baseball players) comments about the Sox coaching staff. Garland says he just completely tuned out Ozzie’s bullshit, and OCab takes a backhanded slap at Ozzie & Co. by talking about how well-prepared the Angels were (left unsaid by him was the contrast to the present Sox staff).

The way this team plays it seems like they could care less about fundamental baseball. To mix sports analogies, offensively and defensively we’re seeing the equivalent of the coaches just rolling the ball out on the court and letting ‘em play. How Cooper stays in this mix is incomprehensible.

If you want players to listen to you, first the players have to respect you. I imagine it’s pretty hard to respect Ozzie’s clown act. Him hiring a stooge like Jeff Cox certainly didn’t sober up his image. In light of this, his treatment of BA last year makes more sense – the vets have tuned him out, and he can’t do anything to them because of guaranteed contracts and NTC’s. The only way for him to assert authority is to muscle around some kid over whom he has life & death control.

I’ll say it again, but I can’t remember a Sox team I disliked so much. They play like lazy ass uninterested fat cats, who wake up and play hard maybe a couple times a week when they feel like it. And they don’t have nearly enough talent to play like this and beat teams in a very competitive AL. From a fan’s standpoint, slumps are forgivable – but less than optimal effort. lack of focus and selfishness isn’t. It especially stands in stark contrast when you see how hard our opponents play, that is the friggin’ norm in the league. Again, if they don’t care why should I? And again, wake me up when they blow this shit up.

"The little things are always in my mind," he said. "I always like to move the guy over, I like to bunt."

by ChicagoPete on May 14, 2008 7:23 AM CDT   1 recs

Mindset

One of the byproducts of having a team loaded with veterans is that the teaching of fundamentals goes by the wayside. Teaching Thome, Konerko and Dye situational hitting? Teaching Uribe anything? Unfortunately, it seems that some of the this mindset has carried over into the field. I absolutely agree about the recent gaffes. It reminds me of little league to watch how EVERY ball (other than a routine single) hit to the outfield gets thrown in over the cutoff, way off line, to the wrong base or a combination of the three.

If it wasn’t clear before, it should be now. Clear out some of the dead weight after the season. Get what you can for some of the veterans. Start over.

C'mon, Smokey! This isn't 'Nam, it's bowling. There are rules!

by thekever on May 14, 2008 8:04 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Does WU know you've surfaced?

He’s been worried about your absence. Me, not so much.
;-)

"Lipstick traces on cigarettes can get you in trouble or remind you of the wonders of the night before."

by Chiburb on May 14, 2008 9:07 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

What did I miss?

C'mon, Smokey! This isn't 'Nam, it's bowling. There are rules!

by thekever on May 14, 2008 1:48 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

you missed nothing, WU missed Pete.

"Lipstick traces on cigarettes can get you in trouble or remind you of the wonders of the night before."

by Chiburb on May 14, 2008 1:52 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I was just scrolling through the hitting charts on the

mlb.com player cards and I didn’t really find many elite hitters who could consistently go the other way with any power. If the fact that the Angels had a great plan and the Sox had a terrible plan was 100% responsible for the final score, the difference was two runs. If you remember that it was a bad defense aiding the two runs, isn’t the margin surprisingly small?

Defensive miscues, though, really annoy me. Being unable at critical moments to manage the routine makes for cringe-worthy television. Still, though, I’m unwilling to say the Sox are putting themselves at a disadvantage due to coaching. The consensus on Ozzie seems to be that he’s at least competent, I don’t see what has changed exactly to reflect otherwise. I think we’d have a much easier time handling this if 2007 hadn’t happened.

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on May 14, 2008 7:44 AM CDT   0 recs

Oh

I will say that if there’s something that could possibly address BABIP woes, if the Sox are placing their batted balls in a very predictable manner, that would make them easier than average to defend and therefore mean the Sox could expect fewer hits despite a solid GB/FB/LD ratio. You’d have to start looking at a lot of charts and do some comparing to demonstrate that.

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on May 14, 2008 7:46 AM CDT   0 recs

Well,

the offense is what it is, very streaky. The offense was hot the first two weeks of the season and then it has just gotten really cold all at once. The problem last year with the lineup and again this year was Thome, Konerko and Dye all getting cold at the same time. When those three collectively suck at once, in the heart of the order…well it is hard to get anything going.

I still think this team is a .500 ballclub – maybe best case a few games over .500.

If the offense can get back on track a little, come the summer in the Cell, those deep flys will start flying out. Need the pitching to hold steady.

2-3 on the trip right now…and I would be estatic and coming home 4-6 on the road trip.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on May 14, 2008 8:27 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Seriously, if this team even had an average offense...

They would have a winning record. We are losing games in which are starters are almost perfect.

by SSH2005 on May 14, 2008 8:28 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

4.49 runs/g compared to 4.38 average

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on May 14, 2008 8:54 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

North been on Walker all morning...

Hawk and crew must have anticipated the fans and press having enough – hence all the BS last night.

by Brush Back on May 14, 2008 8:35 AM CDT   0 recs

Hank Steinbrenner calls out his players...

and tells them to earn their money.

Our offense sucks and we praise our hitting coach. Good stuff.

by SSH2005 on May 14, 2008 8:37 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Hank Steinbrenner is some kind of ideal owner?

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on May 14, 2008 9:03 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Are the Yankees the model of stability?

Has that type of cajoling worked since the ‘90’s for any Steinbrenner? Hasn’t translated into the “big” win. Sox have had a pretty stable franchise for a few years (save last year) and I don’t recall JR calling out his players.

I took the "under".

by winningugly on May 14, 2008 10:33 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The Yankees are contenders every year by season's end...

Please don’t compare our White Sox with the Yankees. It’s a joke of a comparison.

by SSH2005 on May 14, 2008 10:34 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

And it costs...?

I don’t know our W/L record compared to them sincve 2000, but I bet it ain’t that far off…

I took the "under".

by winningugly on May 14, 2008 10:39 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

i think comparing/contrasting

the management styles is telling. Both seem to be extreme in terms of accountability.

I believe the answer’s in the middle somewhere.

Mosi Tatupu! Mosi Tatupu!

by Nordhagen on May 14, 2008 10:50 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Interesting point

It depends, as with any group of employees, as to what motivates/helps production. The Sox’ style worked well previously, isn’t working well now. What do you do to shake up the mix and get folks to sit up and take notice? Chop a head or two? Change CEO’s? Merge/divest?

I’m all for the “shake it up” thing, but it seems Ozzie’s style might be wearing thin, something more than a few folks predicted would happen when he was hired.

I took the "under".

by winningugly on May 14, 2008 11:20 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, my thought for a year or so.

Watching the young FL teams with low payroll is much more fun than carping about overpaid, long-in-the-tooth likeable (though infuriating) guys.

And now we have the answer as to whether Uribe’s hard slide was a portend of aggressive “Ozzie-ball”.

Nope.

I took the "under".

by winningugly on May 14, 2008 11:24 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

ride the rays bandwagon, baby

i’ve probably seen about as many rays games as sox games this year. i was contemplating creating a satirical post about how SSS should adopt the rays and how certain posters would react to their new team and so on. didn’t want to go through the effort. but i promise it would have been good.

by larry on May 14, 2008 11:29 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

do it!

maybe suggest a fan exchange program. They give us their most optimistic, happy-day fan, and see how long it takes for the Sox to crush their spirit.

Mosi Tatupu! Mosi Tatupu!

by Nordhagen on May 14, 2008 11:39 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think your assessment of their fan base (and, boy, that is apt)

is slightly off – happy-day? These are WWII grizzled vets who can barely make it though 3 innings without having to relieve themselves. When Matsui hit the dinger in the 9th last night the Trop roared, since I’d bet there were more Yankee fans than Rays fans.

Would be fun, though.

I took the "under".

by winningugly on May 14, 2008 11:42 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

depends

http://www.depend.com/

"Lipstick traces on cigarettes can get you in trouble or remind you of the wonders of the night before."

by Chiburb on May 14, 2008 11:44 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Responding/listening to Hawk's comments is no different

than reading and reacting to Mary Otty. Why do you do it?

"Lipstick traces on cigarettes can get you in trouble or remind you of the wonders of the night before."

by Chiburb on May 14, 2008 9:33 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

sad when you have to enlist Cub fans to make a case

"Lipstick traces on cigarettes can get you in trouble or remind you of the wonders of the night before."

by Chiburb on May 14, 2008 9:50 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That sounded weird

Like why you can always win a race with Mike Jackson – ‘cause he always likes to come in a little behind.

HI-YO!

Ewwww, Jim.

I took the "under".

by winningugly on May 14, 2008 10:38 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I just think it's funny...

Regardless of what Hawk says, it’s still an indictment on Kenny and Ozzie that Walker is still around.

Greg Walker is apparently untouchable. The White Sox don’t base his job performance on anything statistical.

by SSH2005 on May 14, 2008 9:51 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Until he picks up a bat, on which statistics should his job depend?

Cheat’s one-game chart above? Uribe’s walks? Rowand’s post-Sox seasons?

It seems that without Walker, Uribe, Ozuna, Cabrera (increasingly), and Ozzie, some folks would have nothing to post here.

Did I mention Kenny sucks too? What is Reinsdorf thinking in keeping this guy around?

"Lipstick traces on cigarettes can get you in trouble or remind you of the wonders of the night before."

by Chiburb on May 14, 2008 9:59 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

So - what you're saying is

If I have a professional sales team – and none of the team members are producing, making calls, just not closing any deals, that I am not accountable for the lack of performance? After all, they’re all good guys, they’re trying, I’m trying. What more could ownership ask.

I guess I could see the case if I was told to work with them, and they were all hired by the owners, and the owners know what that have and can not get rid of them so they are willing to suffer with bad results. I guess in that situation it makes sence. Though somehow I still think I’m taking the fall at some point.

by Brush Back on May 14, 2008 10:14 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Maybe you'll take the fall because it's easier than replacing

all the non-producers (in your scenario), but it won’t change the results will it? Maybe the change will create an illusion of “doing something” that might placate the shareholders for a while, but the actual sales figures aren’t likely to improve, right? Not with your sales force being what they are.
So yes, fire the coach if you like. But at the end of the quarter or fiscal year, don’t expect real growth/improvement.

"Lipstick traces on cigarettes can get you in trouble or remind you of the wonders of the night before."

by Chiburb on May 14, 2008 10:22 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

So basically, we can't judge Walker until he is in the lineup?

Are you joking?

Wow, how do other hitting coaches ever get fired.

by SSH2005 on May 14, 2008 10:21 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

answer the question and I'll respond. which stats?

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by Chiburb on May 14, 2008 10:24 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

re

Until he picks up a bat, on which statistics should his job depend? Cheat’s one-game chart above?

one game? isn’t this going on close to 2 years now?

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on May 14, 2008 12:16 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You can't use last year

That was the perfect storm – and the second half of ‘06 shouldn’t count, they were running out of gas from the first half – now ‘05 that’s the year you should use. So based on that, why all the talk about him. Everything will be fine. These guys are pros, they know what they need to do to pull themselves out of this funk. Everyone should start coming around very shortly.

by Brush Back on May 14, 2008 12:21 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

you had me there for a second!

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on May 14, 2008 12:24 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I must've misread Cheat's chart. Is each blue dot a composite

of the last 2 years?
I understand your point, but you’re misunderstanding exactly what I wrote.
Do I sound like larry? Good.

"Lipstick traces on cigarettes can get you in trouble or remind you of the wonders of the night before."

by Chiburb on May 14, 2008 12:22 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

re

you’re misunderstanding exactly what I wrote

no, you said ‘on what should walker be evaluated? last night’s game only?’

and I replied ‘it’s not one game, it’s nearly 2 years’

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on May 14, 2008 12:28 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

2 years of what?

Cheat, several times in his post, talks about the contrast between teams in ONE game. SSH went on to rant about Walker, while I was trying to refer to the original post.
Btw, 2 years of what? HR’s and low OBP? Failure to hit to the opposite field? On what are you basing Walker’s failures over the 2 year span? SSH never answered the question.

"Lipstick traces on cigarettes can get you in trouble or remind you of the wonders of the night before."

by Chiburb on May 14, 2008 12:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

If Walker was a good hitting coach...

he would have gone back in time to 1994, flown down to the Dominican Republic, and taught a teenaged Juan Uribe plate discipline.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on May 14, 2008 12:50 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

poor coaching

pete and keith put it better than I can, look on the first 2-3 messages of this post



and was that on yesterday’s game only?

If these were isolated incidents I could let them go, but you add them up with the Sox inability to properly execute a rundown, with Sox hitters HR-or-nothing approach at the plate, and you can only draw one of two conclusions, neither of which is encouraging:

1. The Sox (in general) are poorly coached.
2. The Sox players have completely tuned out their coaching staff

The Twins announcers questioned the White Sox batting practice routine last week, observing that it looked like a homerun hitting contest. Meanwhile the Twins were practicing bunts, situational hitting, opposite field hitting. After watching the Angels on Tuesday, I can guarantee their batting practice is more Twins-like than Sox-like… It should come as no surprise that the Sox are 0-10 this season when they fail to hit a HR.

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on May 14, 2008 12:50 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

so a team that excels at hitting home runs should stop trying to hit home runs?

it’s the players, silly. i guarantee orlando cabrera and pablo ozuna are not part of the above mentioned homerun contest contingent.

the twins suck at hitting home runs. so, duh, they play to their strengths. i’m not sure why people think doing less of what they’re good at will help the sox players. if you want a bunting, opposite field hitting team go get those players. just don’t start whining that those guys don’t hit enough home runs.

by larry on May 14, 2008 12:56 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

And I bet that Vladimir Guerrero...

and Mike Napoli weren’t working on their bunts before the game started last night, either.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on May 14, 2008 12:59 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

the other problem with sox fans

is that they’re hung up on this “the sox have been in a slump since the second half of 2006.” yeah, there couldn’t possibly be anything wrong with using the peak of a team hot streak as your reference point for how a team should hit. the first half of 2006 is what is called an “abberation”, folks.

by larry on May 14, 2008 1:08 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

But it's OK to expect them to hit above .240 as a team, right?

"We're gonna bring it all day, everyday...we're gonna keep grinding it out." - Nick Swisher (4/1/08)

by tailgater on May 14, 2008 1:11 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

yep

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on May 14, 2008 1:28 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yikes

What a meltdown. I just graduated so I haven’t been able to watch many games recently (damn senior thesis) but from most of what I’ve read its been pretty disappointing to say the least.

by 815Sox on May 14, 2008 9:49 AM CDT   0 recs

I should note

I think its a little early to throw in the towel… these guys could turn it around and compete.. I’m not expecting huge things from them though.

We do need to make some changes in the off season.

by 815Sox on May 14, 2008 9:51 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree.

The team may not win 95 games, but I still see them improving and being decent this year. The pitching has been there (mostly). As far as hitting home runs, that is how the team is built. The Sox not trying to hit homers is like Ginobli not driving to the basket. Yes, some moves need to be made this year and dead weight needs to be let go, but until then the team will be decent if it just puts the bat on the ball.

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by Raf on May 14, 2008 10:27 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It'd be difficult to be worse than last year

And with a $100MM+ payroll ought we not expect a decent performance? We mortgaged our future to contend this year, so unless KW shakes a gaggle of deals from the “deal fairy” (read: Philly and Arizona) this may be as good as it gets for awhile.

I took the "under".

by winningugly on May 14, 2008 10:46 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Watching several different teams nightly-

When the Sox games are out West I watch other games to enable me to get a good night sleep, years ago I listened to all Sox games wherever they were. Because I watch several teams I get the benefit of hearing their announcers and commentators discuss the Sox vs their team, they are not very positive about the Sox or their feeble attempts to score. Bum Phillips, former Houston coach , used to say about Don Shula ” he could take your’n and beat his’n or he could take his’n and beat your’n” I feel the competition feels this way about their managers vs Ozzie, Ozzie not being equal to the task.
Watching Tampa Bay , The Marlins and Oakland rebuild while leading the leagues makes me sick thinking of how long we have to watch these over-paid, over-age players, under-performing players

by floridajim on May 14, 2008 9:52 AM CDT   0 recs

More on the offensive woes:

Isn’t it kind of remarkable that we’re only slightly below average in OBP and above average in SLG despite having the worst BABIP in the AL? Isn’t that some kind of more or less successfully overcome obstacle?

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on May 14, 2008 10:01 AM CDT   0 recs

is the above average SLG due to leading in HR's?

I’d assume so, but I’ll hang up and listen to your answer. Also, are they below avg. in doubles or does it just feel like it?

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by Chiburb on May 14, 2008 10:07 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs