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Are The White Sox The Worst Coached Team in MLB?

My last entry, the Orlando Cabrera-Greg Walker Can You Find Right Field salvo, was extraordinarily well timed. There was a stark difference between the execution of the two teams on the field in Tuesday night's 2-0 loss to the Angels.

The Angels hitters were content to hit the ball the opposite way, to hit the ball where it was pitched, and generally looked like they had a plan at the plate, on the basepaths and in the field. Meanwhile, the White Sox appeared allergic to the opposite field, lacked any plan at the plate, gave up a free bases at nearly every opportunity, and topped it off with some poor defensive play in right field which led to the winning runs. In all honesty I don't think I've ever seen such a contrast in fundamentals in a single game.

  • The Angels stole 3 bases on John Danks. Two were completely uncontested, and the third was so easy that the runner didn't even bother to get anything more than a one-step lead. They had him read like a book, and Pierzynski never stood a chance at throwing out a runner.

  • The Angels right-handed hitters were content to poke the ball into right field, and did so at least twice on 0-2 counts on balls out of the zone. I've attached an image from MLB's GameDay to illustrate. That mass of blue in right field is 6 opposite field hits by right-handed Halos and a 3-0 rope from Garret Anderson, which was yet another example of a hitter with a plan. Anderson was looking for a fastball, and roped a high, 95 MPH pitch from left-hander Matt Thornton.

    About the only bad thing I can say about the Angels play on Tuesday was that Anderson didn't make it to second on the play. He laid out a rope in front of Jermaine Dye, and just assumed it was going to be caught. It's a play Anderson knows well, as he's a poor outfielder who is know relegated to DH duties. Yet he was genuinely surprised that Dye was unable to come up with the ball that set up the game-winning situation.

  • With runners on the corners and nobody out, Mike Napoli flew out deep to Nick Swisher, who decided to air mail his throw to the plate allowing Anderson to get into second base uncontested. Swisher's failure to hit the cutoff man is not an isolated incident. I would need two hands to count the times he's missed the middle-man, and his replacements in center field have been just as bad. Brian Anderson and Alexei Ramirez have each missed the cutoff man multiple times (in one game). It's such a simple task, and yet the Sox don't have a single center fielder who feels the need to be fundamentally sound in the throwing game.

If these were isolated incidents I could let them go, but you add them up with the Sox inability to properly execute a rundown, with Sox hitters HR-or-nothing approach at the plate, and you can only draw one of two conclusions, neither of which is encouraging:

  1. The Sox (in general) are poorly coached.
  2. The Sox players have completely tuned out their coaching staff

The Twins announcers questioned the White Sox batting practice routine last week, observing that it looked like a homerun hitting contest. Meanwhile the Twins were practicing bunts, situational hitting, opposite field hitting. After watching the Angels on Tuesday, I can guarantee their batting practice is more Twins-like than Sox-like... It should come as no surprise that the Sox are 0-10 this season when they fail to hit a HR.

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It's unfortunate that I had to spend this recap talking about the coaching and lack of fundamentals, because there were a few bright spots in the game.
  • Danks, aside from the stolen bases, was excellent. So much so that I protested him being pulled from the game when Ozzie game out to get him in the 7th.
  • Octavio Dotel did his best El Duque impersonation, throwing balls out of the zone to get strikeouts with the bases loaded. Dotel has been on a roll recently. In his last 8 outings, he's pitched 9.1 innings, allowing 6 hits, 2 walks, and 16 strikeouts. Unfortunately, thanks to the poor defense and fundamentals, that 6th hit put him on the hook for the loss, dampening an otherwise stellar relief outing.
  • Carlos Quentin is still dreamy.

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Hate to have one of those "we told you so" moments, but...

it’s so appropriate that a bad defensive effort by Dye leads to the game-winning run crossing homeplate. Really, Dye didn’t even need to catch the ball… if he keeps it in front of him and doesn’t boot the ball ten feet to his left, I doubt Hunter is getting into third (admittedly I could be wrong on this—on WCIU they only gave the shot of Anderson figuring that ball was getting caught, and as Cheat notes he was walking out of the box).

As far as the Walker saga, it’s pretty ridiculous… I’m not of the camp that hiring a new hitting coach would do a whole helluva lot, but if you can’t fire the hitting coach when the offense has basically been stagnant for close to two years (going back to the second half of 2006), when can you fire him?

I’ve tried not to get caught up in the anger that’s been flowing - I’m sort of with JRE in the sense that average-ness was to be expected - but it was tough to not get angry tonight.

by CWSKeith on May 14, 2008 1:54 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Disappointment

Watching the Sox waste their starting pitching through incompetence is hard. I agree that I didn’t expect the Sox to be good this year, so I’m not checking into rehab over this.

But it’s frustrating to see the unexpected positive performances happen: Danks, Quentin, Floyd, and then have that torpedoed by bad defense and Konerko, Thome, Swisher, and Cabrera being wretched at the plate.

It’s hard for me to judge coaching, but the Sox hitters do seem continually fail in the same ways. It would be heartening to the feeling the some adjustment was being tried.

by hitlesswonder on May 14, 2008 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The more things change, the more they stay the same...the coaching staff is the constant this year

It’s interesting that before this series the two principals of the OCab/Garland trade gave some unusually candid (for cliche’ spouting baseball players) comments about the Sox coaching staff. Garland says he just completely tuned out Ozzie’s bullshit, and OCab takes a backhanded slap at Ozzie & Co. by talking about how well-prepared the Angels were (left unsaid by him was the contrast to the present Sox staff).

The way this team plays it seems like they could care less about fundamental baseball. To mix sports analogies, offensively and defensively we’re seeing the equivalent of the coaches just rolling the ball out on the court and letting ‘em play. How Cooper stays in this mix is incomprehensible.

If you want players to listen to you, first the players have to respect you. I imagine it’s pretty hard to respect Ozzie’s clown act. Him hiring a stooge like Jeff Cox certainly didn’t sober up his image. In light of this, his treatment of BA last year makes more sense – the vets have tuned him out, and he can’t do anything to them because of guaranteed contracts and NTC’s. The only way for him to assert authority is to muscle around some kid over whom he has life & death control.

I’ll say it again, but I can’t remember a Sox team I disliked so much. They play like lazy ass uninterested fat cats, who wake up and play hard maybe a couple times a week when they feel like it. And they don’t have nearly enough talent to play like this and beat teams in a very competitive AL. From a fan’s standpoint, slumps are forgivable – but less than optimal effort. lack of focus and selfishness isn’t. It especially stands in stark contrast when you see how hard our opponents play, that is the friggin’ norm in the league. Again, if they don’t care why should I? And again, wake me up when they blow this shit up.

"The little things are always in my mind," he said. "I always like to move the guy over, I like to bunt."

by ChicagoPete on May 14, 2008 7:23 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Mindset

One of the byproducts of having a team loaded with veterans is that the teaching of fundamentals goes by the wayside. Teaching Thome, Konerko and Dye situational hitting? Teaching Uribe anything? Unfortunately, it seems that some of the this mindset has carried over into the field. I absolutely agree about the recent gaffes. It reminds me of little league to watch how EVERY ball (other than a routine single) hit to the outfield gets thrown in over the cutoff, way off line, to the wrong base or a combination of the three.

If it wasn’t clear before, it should be now. Clear out some of the dead weight after the season. Get what you can for some of the veterans. Start over.

C'mon, Smokey! This isn't 'Nam, it's bowling. There are rules!

by thekever on May 14, 2008 8:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does WU know you've surfaced?

He’s been worried about your absence. Me, not so much.
;-)

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by Chiburb on May 14, 2008 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What did I miss?

C'mon, Smokey! This isn't 'Nam, it's bowling. There are rules!

by thekever on May 14, 2008 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you missed nothing, WU missed Pete.

"Lipstick traces on cigarettes can get you in trouble or remind you of the wonders of the night before."

by Chiburb on May 14, 2008 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was just scrolling through the hitting charts on the

mlb.com player cards and I didn’t really find many elite hitters who could consistently go the other way with any power. If the fact that the Angels had a great plan and the Sox had a terrible plan was 100% responsible for the final score, the difference was two runs. If you remember that it was a bad defense aiding the two runs, isn’t the margin surprisingly small?

Defensive miscues, though, really annoy me. Being unable at critical moments to manage the routine makes for cringe-worthy television. Still, though, I’m unwilling to say the Sox are putting themselves at a disadvantage due to coaching. The consensus on Ozzie seems to be that he’s at least competent, I don’t see what has changed exactly to reflect otherwise. I think we’d have a much easier time handling this if 2007 hadn’t happened.

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on May 14, 2008 7:44 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh

I will say that if there’s something that could possibly address BABIP woes, if the Sox are placing their batted balls in a very predictable manner, that would make them easier than average to defend and therefore mean the Sox could expect fewer hits despite a solid GB/FB/LD ratio. You’d have to start looking at a lot of charts and do some comparing to demonstrate that.

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on May 14, 2008 7:46 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well,

the offense is what it is, very streaky. The offense was hot the first two weeks of the season and then it has just gotten really cold all at once. The problem last year with the lineup and again this year was Thome, Konerko and Dye all getting cold at the same time. When those three collectively suck at once, in the heart of the order…well it is hard to get anything going.

I still think this team is a .500 ballclub – maybe best case a few games over .500.

If the offense can get back on track a little, come the summer in the Cell, those deep flys will start flying out. Need the pitching to hold steady.

2-3 on the trip right now…and I would be estatic and coming home 4-6 on the road trip.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on May 14, 2008 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously, if this team even had an average offense...

They would have a winning record. We are losing games in which are starters are almost perfect.

by SSH2005 on May 14, 2008 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

4.49 runs/g compared to 4.38 average

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on May 14, 2008 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

North been on Walker all morning...

Hawk and crew must have anticipated the fans and press having enough – hence all the BS last night.

by Brush Back on May 14, 2008 8:35 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Hank Steinbrenner calls out his players...

and tells them to earn their money.

Our offense sucks and we praise our hitting coach. Good stuff.

by SSH2005 on May 14, 2008 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hank Steinbrenner is some kind of ideal owner?

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on May 14, 2008 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are the Yankees the model of stability?

Has that type of cajoling worked since the ‘90’s for any Steinbrenner? Hasn’t translated into the “big” win. Sox have had a pretty stable franchise for a few years (save last year) and I don’t recall JR calling out his players.

I took the "under".

by winningugly on May 14, 2008 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Yankees are contenders every year by season's end...

Please don’t compare our White Sox with the Yankees. It’s a joke of a comparison.

by SSH2005 on May 14, 2008 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And it costs...?

I don’t know our W/L record compared to them sincve 2000, but I bet it ain’t that far off…

I took the "under".

by winningugly on May 14, 2008 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think comparing/contrasting

the management styles is telling. Both seem to be extreme in terms of accountability.

I believe the answer’s in the middle somewhere.

Mosi Tatupu! Mosi Tatupu!

by Nordhagen on May 14, 2008 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting point

It depends, as with any group of employees, as to what motivates/helps production. The Sox’ style worked well previously, isn’t working well now. What do you do to shake up the mix and get folks to sit up and take notice? Chop a head or two? Change CEO’s? Merge/divest?

I’m all for the “shake it up” thing, but it seems Ozzie’s style might be wearing thin, something more than a few folks predicted would happen when he was hired.

I took the "under".

by winningugly on May 14, 2008 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, my thought for a year or so.

Watching the young FL teams with low payroll is much more fun than carping about overpaid, long-in-the-tooth likeable (though infuriating) guys.

And now we have the answer as to whether Uribe’s hard slide was a portend of aggressive “Ozzie-ball”.

Nope.

I took the "under".

by winningugly on May 14, 2008 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ride the rays bandwagon, baby

i’ve probably seen about as many rays games as sox games this year. i was contemplating creating a satirical post about how SSS should adopt the rays and how certain posters would react to their new team and so on. didn’t want to go through the effort. but i promise it would have been good.

by larry on May 14, 2008 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

do it!

maybe suggest a fan exchange program. They give us their most optimistic, happy-day fan, and see how long it takes for the Sox to crush their spirit.

Mosi Tatupu! Mosi Tatupu!

by Nordhagen on May 14, 2008 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think your assessment of their fan base (and, boy, that is apt)

is slightly off – happy-day? These are WWII grizzled vets who can barely make it though 3 innings without having to relieve themselves. When Matsui hit the dinger in the 9th last night the Trop roared, since I’d bet there were more Yankee fans than Rays fans.

Would be fun, though.

I took the "under".

by winningugly on May 14, 2008 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

depends

http://www.depend.com/

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by Chiburb on May 14, 2008 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Responding/listening to Hawk's comments is no different

than reading and reacting to Mary Otty. Why do you do it?

"Lipstick traces on cigarettes can get you in trouble or remind you of the wonders of the night before."

by Chiburb on May 14, 2008 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

sad when you have to enlist Cub fans to make a case

"Lipstick traces on cigarettes can get you in trouble or remind you of the wonders of the night before."

by Chiburb on May 14, 2008 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That sounded weird

Like why you can always win a race with Mike Jackson – ‘cause he always likes to come in a little behind.

HI-YO!

Ewwww, Jim.

I took the "under".

by winningugly on May 14, 2008 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just think it's funny...

Regardless of what Hawk says, it’s still an indictment on Kenny and Ozzie that Walker is still around.

Greg Walker is apparently untouchable. The White Sox don’t base his job performance on anything statistical.

by SSH2005 on May 14, 2008 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Until he picks up a bat, on which statistics should his job depend?

Cheat’s one-game chart above? Uribe’s walks? Rowand’s post-Sox seasons?

It seems that without Walker, Uribe, Ozuna, Cabrera (increasingly), and Ozzie, some folks would have nothing to post here.

Did I mention Kenny sucks too? What is Reinsdorf thinking in keeping this guy around?

"Lipstick traces on cigarettes can get you in trouble or remind you of the wonders of the night before."

by Chiburb on May 14, 2008 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So - what you're saying is

If I have a professional sales team – and none of the team members are producing, making calls, just not closing any deals, that I am not accountable for the lack of performance? After all, they’re all good guys, they’re trying, I’m trying. What more could ownership ask.

I guess I could see the case if I was told to work with them, and they were all hired by the owners, and the owners know what that have and can not get rid of them so they are willing to suffer with bad results. I guess in that situation it makes sence. Though somehow I still think I’m taking the fall at some point.

by Brush Back on May 14, 2008 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe you'll take the fall because it's easier than replacing

all the non-producers (in your scenario), but it won’t change the results will it? Maybe the change will create an illusion of “doing something” that might placate the shareholders for a while, but the actual sales figures aren’t likely to improve, right? Not with your sales force being what they are.
So yes, fire the coach if you like. But at the end of the quarter or fiscal year, don’t expect real growth/improvement.

"Lipstick traces on cigarettes can get you in trouble or remind you of the wonders of the night before."

by Chiburb on May 14, 2008 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So basically, we can't judge Walker until he is in the lineup?

Are you joking?

Wow, how do other hitting coaches ever get fired.

by SSH2005 on May 14, 2008 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

answer the question and I'll respond. which stats?

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by Chiburb on May 14, 2008 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

re

Until he picks up a bat, on which statistics should his job depend? Cheat’s one-game chart above?

one game? isn’t this going on close to 2 years now?

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on May 14, 2008 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can't use last year

That was the perfect storm – and the second half of ‘06 shouldn’t count, they were running out of gas from the first half – now ‘05 that’s the year you should use. So based on that, why all the talk about him. Everything will be fine. These guys are pros, they know what they need to do to pull themselves out of this funk. Everyone should start coming around very shortly.

by Brush Back on May 14, 2008 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you had me there for a second!

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on May 14, 2008 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I must've misread Cheat's chart. Is each blue dot a composite

of the last 2 years?
I understand your point, but you’re misunderstanding exactly what I wrote.
Do I sound like larry? Good.

"Lipstick traces on cigarettes can get you in trouble or remind you of the wonders of the night before."

by Chiburb on May 14, 2008 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

re

you’re misunderstanding exactly what I wrote

no, you said ‘on what should walker be evaluated? last night’s game only?’

and I replied ‘it’s not one game, it’s nearly 2 years’

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on May 14, 2008 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

2 years of what?

Cheat, several times in his post, talks about the contrast between teams in ONE game. SSH went on to rant about Walker, while I was trying to refer to the original post.
Btw, 2 years of what? HR’s and low OBP? Failure to hit to the opposite field? On what are you basing Walker’s failures over the 2 year span? SSH never answered the question.

"Lipstick traces on cigarettes can get you in trouble or remind you of the wonders of the night before."

by Chiburb on May 14, 2008 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Walker was a good hitting coach...

he would have gone back in time to 1994, flown down to the Dominican Republic, and taught a teenaged Juan Uribe plate discipline.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on May 14, 2008 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

poor coaching

pete and keith put it better than I can, look on the first 2-3 messages of this post



and was that on yesterday’s game only?

If these were isolated incidents I could let them go, but you add them up with the Sox inability to properly execute a rundown, with Sox hitters HR-or-nothing approach at the plate, and you can only draw one of two conclusions, neither of which is encouraging:

1. The Sox (in general) are poorly coached.
2. The Sox players have completely tuned out their coaching staff

The Twins announcers questioned the White Sox batting practice routine last week, observing that it looked like a homerun hitting contest. Meanwhile the Twins were practicing bunts, situational hitting, opposite field hitting. After watching the Angels on Tuesday, I can guarantee their batting practice is more Twins-like than Sox-like… It should come as no surprise that the Sox are 0-10 this season when they fail to hit a HR.

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on May 14, 2008 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

so a team that excels at hitting home runs should stop trying to hit home runs?

it’s the players, silly. i guarantee orlando cabrera and pablo ozuna are not part of the above mentioned homerun contest contingent.

the twins suck at hitting home runs. so, duh, they play to their strengths. i’m not sure why people think doing less of what they’re good at will help the sox players. if you want a bunting, opposite field hitting team go get those players. just don’t start whining that those guys don’t hit enough home runs.

by larry on May 14, 2008 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And I bet that Vladimir Guerrero...

and Mike Napoli weren’t working on their bunts before the game started last night, either.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on May 14, 2008 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the other problem with sox fans

is that they’re hung up on this “the sox have been in a slump since the second half of 2006.” yeah, there couldn’t possibly be anything wrong with using the peak of a team hot streak as your reference point for how a team should hit. the first half of 2006 is what is called an “abberation”, folks.

by larry on May 14, 2008 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But it's OK to expect them to hit above .240 as a team, right?

"We're gonna bring it all day, everyday...we're gonna keep grinding it out." - Nick Swisher (4/1/08)

by tailgater on May 14, 2008 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yep

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on May 14, 2008 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yikes

What a meltdown. I just graduated so I haven’t been able to watch many games recently (damn senior thesis) but from most of what I’ve read its been pretty disappointing to say the least.

by 815Sox on May 14, 2008 9:49 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I should note

I think its a little early to throw in the towel… these guys could turn it around and compete.. I’m not expecting huge things from them though.

We do need to make some changes in the off season.

by 815Sox on May 14, 2008 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree.

The team may not win 95 games, but I still see them improving and being decent this year. The pitching has been there (mostly). As far as hitting home runs, that is how the team is built. The Sox not trying to hit homers is like Ginobli not driving to the basket. Yes, some moves need to be made this year and dead weight needs to be let go, but until then the team will be decent if it just puts the bat on the ball.

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by Raf on May 14, 2008 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It'd be difficult to be worse than last year

And with a $100MM+ payroll ought we not expect a decent performance? We mortgaged our future to contend this year, so unless KW shakes a gaggle of deals from the “deal fairy” (read: Philly and Arizona) this may be as good as it gets for awhile.

I took the "under".

by winningugly on May 14, 2008 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Watching several different teams nightly-

When the Sox games are out West I watch other games to enable me to get a good night sleep, years ago I listened to all Sox games wherever they were. Because I watch several teams I get the benefit of hearing their announcers and commentators discuss the Sox vs their team, they are not very positive about the Sox or their feeble attempts to score. Bum Phillips, former Houston coach , used to say about Don Shula ” he could take your’n and beat his’n or he could take his’n and beat your’n” I feel the competition feels this way about their managers vs Ozzie, Ozzie not being equal to the task.
Watching Tampa Bay , The Marlins and Oakland rebuild while leading the leagues makes me sick thinking of how long we have to watch these over-paid, over-age players, under-performing players

by floridajim on May 14, 2008 9:52 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

More on the offensive woes:

Isn’t it kind of remarkable that we’re only slightly below average in OBP and above average in SLG despite having the worst BABIP in the AL? Isn’t that some kind of more or less successfully overcome obstacle?

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on May 14, 2008 10:01 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

is the above average SLG due to leading in HR's?

I’d assume so, but I’ll hang up and listen to your answer. Also, are they below avg. in doubles or does it just feel like it?

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by Chiburb on May 14, 2008 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Definitely...

We are ranked…

29th in hits
21st in doubles
28th in triples
3rd in homeruns

What does that tell you?

It tells me that our lineup is basically swinging for the fences each and every AB. Walker must love it.

by SSH2005 on May 14, 2008 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not true entirely

I don’t think Walker is getting through to these guys. Remember him trying to change Uribe not to swing out of his shoes and Guillen getting frustrated with it. Walker can tell these guys anything…they just won’t listen. They are veteran guys who have gone through slumps and don’t listen to coaches who try and help them get out of them. They have been through it before and worked it out on their own – they don’t want to listen to Walker.

Walker isn’t telling all of these guys to swing for the fences…those are the players and that is basically the talent we have. What are the coaches going to do?? Bench them? We don’t have anything to replace them with – look at our bench!

We’re gonna ride it out, b*tches.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on May 14, 2008 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

really? we're not going to take into account any more context?

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on May 14, 2008 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

what

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on May 14, 2008 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

ugh. Don’t remind me. I’ve only recently been able to stop believin’....

Mosi Tatupu! Mosi Tatupu!

by Nordhagen on May 14, 2008 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

why would SS think i didn't know that?

it’s just unimportant. all SSH has done is arrange a convenient narrative to sit on top of a seres of coincidence. it doesn’t make predictions or additionally explain a convoluted issue. correspondingly, i also gave an incoherent response.

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on May 14, 2008 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It should actually tell you about the value of being able to hit home runs

when everything else fails, power and the ability to take walks stay around.

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on May 14, 2008 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry for being a bit off topic....

but does anybody think Swisher was roiding through ‘06…...did we not get what we thought we were getting, perhaps?

by dantesox on May 14, 2008 10:38 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It's hard to not think that

We won’t know, but the numbers look that way

by hitlesswonder on May 14, 2008 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another thing with him....

for as much as Uribe is hounded for his weight, Swisher’s fat content rivals Uncle Juan’s, I’d bet.

by dantesox on May 14, 2008 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Almost the entire

team looks out of shape.

Less, AJ and Quinten.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on May 14, 2008 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Big Hurt's

weightlifting partner on the roids.. that’d just be a shame.
He hasn’t shrunk that much, I’d see how he does through the year at a hitters park before we accuse him of anything. Not to mention, wasn’t Swisher in the minors when they were doing testing there? So if he was on Roids he wasn’t on them for long because by the time he came up here how long was he in the bigs before testing started?

by Grinder in Training on May 14, 2008 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Swish was juicing

That would be pretty sad, the guy seems like a great guy and I know he donates and helps with a few kids charity groups (I think he’s even setup one or two)

by 815Sox on May 14, 2008 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This morning on 'Mike and Mike'...

Steve Phillips said home runs are on pace to be down 1,000 from 2006. You think maybe somethin’s going on here?

by dantesox on May 14, 2008 10:57 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, it does sound wacko to me.

I didn’t bother to check it out…..so maybe he is whacked. However, I’d imagine there is quite a decrease and the difference is significant.

by dantesox on May 14, 2008 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i blame juan uribe

the “pace” is probaby correct. there are just a few things wrong with the implications i’d imagine he’s drawing from it.

by larry on May 14, 2008 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Obvious question, but aren't more homers hit in the summer?

maybe I’ve just heard the “wait until summer in the cell” line too often

Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.

by rhythm on May 14, 2008 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's what I thought

but I wanted to put it in writing.

I’m with you in that I don’t trust anything that Steve Phillips says about baseball or math. He’s proven himself to be incompetent so there’s no point in paying attention.

Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.

by rhythm on May 14, 2008 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Home runs are down...

from this time last year, too.

But yes, there will be more home runs hit in the summer.

And most of that decrease is in the American League. Offense is right on 2007 pace over in the NL.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on May 14, 2008 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

firstinning's park factors haven't been done for the cell yet

but the Sox’ pitchers’ HR/FB rate is way low relative to the rest of the league, which has made Gavin’s life a lot easier but is probably a product of the weather to some degree. As the run environment warms up, so will the bats.

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on May 14, 2008 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

On a semi-related note....

one must remember that, of course….as you all know…..runs/game is down significantly, which is understandable. The Sox ARE STILL actually .09/ game above average. Does it make it any easier watching this shit? No. But it does aid in my battle to BE SANE.

by dantesox on May 14, 2008 11:01 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

that's why you need to take the macro perspective

and not get caught up in a crap streak

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on May 14, 2008 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm pretty surprised...

at the level of vitriol this morning.

John Danks pitched an outstanding game – he’s looking like everything that we hoped he would be.

As for the continual pulling of the ball and not making adjustments – how is this different from anything the team has been doing for the last several years? The Sox have a bunch of older pull hitters. Konerko, Dye, Crede, Thome, Uribe – those guys aren’t suddenly going to start dumping singles into the opposite field because the coaches tell them to.

Ken Williams put together a team with a bunch of slugging pull hitters. You take the good and the bad with that.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on May 14, 2008 11:19 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

It’s just that Konerko and Thome are key components to this offense, such as it is. They’re doing exactly the same thing that they always have, and nobody was down on that, as long as that worked.

Right now, that’s not working. But those two guys aren’t suddenly going to become completely different hitters because Greg Walker or Ozzie Guillen tell them to. There’s nothing for it but to hope that they snap out of it. If they don’t, the team won’t score many runs. It’s really as simple as that.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on May 14, 2008 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it's just frustrating to see shockingly good performances by Danks wasted

And it’s not just Thome and Konerko. It’s Swisher and Cabrera.

In fact, it’s mostly Konerko (.716 OPS) Swisher (.647 OPS) and Cabrera (.559 OPS)

Those guys playing below replacement level is unexpected and rather vitriol-inspiring. The frustration is based in part on the fact that the Sox have gotten surprising performances from Danks, Floyd and Quentin and had a chance to be competitive for a while this year. But that got torpedoed by the hitting and fielding suckage.

The only really disappointing thing should be Swisher, since he’s a key component of the future. But it’s still hard to watch.

by hitlesswonder on May 14, 2008 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think it's Konerko/Thome

They are who they are. Channel “The Truth” from ‘06, who said when he was released that the team had no “overt” leaders (paraphrasing) other than AJ. Swish was supposed to bring the “grindiness” verbal leadership, and while he was walking/scoring/hitting a little, it was working. He’s not, and it’s not. So who takes the team by the throat (not management, please) and shakes it to wake it up? JD? Buehrle? Crede?

Who’s going to scare these guys? No one I can see.

I took the "under".

by winningugly on May 14, 2008 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know...

what “scaring” these guys is going to accomplish. This isn’t a leadership issue – it’s a talent issue. This is a slightly-below .500 club, and they’re playing slightly below .500 baseball.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on May 14, 2008 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And the best managers get more than not-best managers

Scaring is only one means of motivation. Juan was rumored to be history and he starts lighting it up (for him). Fear is a great motivator.

Tell Thome he can’t go cow-tipping any more. Swish has to shave his dome (he might like that). Paulie has to take leadership training with Ozzie. AJ has to take sensitivity training. BA has to frequent the Bijou.

Something – everyone has a “trigger”. Gotta find the Sox’ G-spot.

I took the "under".

by winningugly on May 14, 2008 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

most people have found the Sox G-spot (apparently):

G. Walker!

"Lipstick traces on cigarettes can get you in trouble or remind you of the wonders of the night before."

by Chiburb on May 14, 2008 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't buy that.

While I think bad management or coaching can screw up a team, I don’t think good management can make a team overachieve. All they can do is try to help the team play up to its potential.

And the team is playing up to its potential. That’s really all we can ask of the coaches.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on May 14, 2008 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I generally agree with you, but a good manager

gets results. Like Bear Bryant – he can take his ‘uns and beat your ‘uns, and next week take your ‘uns and beat you with his ‘uns.

I took the "under".

by winningugly on May 14, 2008 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bring in Ditka immediately! Daaaah Sox.

"We're gonna bring it all day, everyday...we're gonna keep grinding it out." - Nick Swisher (4/1/08)

by tailgater on May 14, 2008 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that Zoloft script has made a world of difference, JRE!

or maybe mine makes you seem reasonable and accepting of things as they are?
Very bhoov-like!

"Lipstick traces on cigarettes can get you in trouble or remind you of the wonders of the night before."

by Chiburb on May 14, 2008 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's easy to be reasonable...

when the team is pretty much doing what I expected them to do.

Frustration comes when the team isn’t performing up to expectations. This team is, if anything, outperforming my expectations.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on May 14, 2008 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

indeed again

offense, as a whole, is doing what one would expect – though a lot of that is a certain player playing ridiculously well. the pitching has exceeded expectations so far – though a lot of that, too, is a certain player playing ridiculously well.

by larry on May 14, 2008 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Double indeed.

Danks and Quentin have made White Sox baseball fun to watch again, even if the team as a whole is mediocre.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on May 14, 2008 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

we all have different tastes when it comes to baseball, WU

most “fans” only care about the ends, winning. true “baseball” fans enjoy the process a bit, too.

by larry on May 14, 2008 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

indeed!

"Lipstick traces on cigarettes can get you in trouble or remind you of the wonders of the night before."

by Chiburb on May 14, 2008 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just being cheeky with JRE - I agree with you both, of course.

I love the game. And the Sox. Not sure which comes first, but it’s close to a tie.

I took the "under".

by winningugly on May 14, 2008 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the game (for me), with the Sox a close second

"Lipstick traces on cigarettes can get you in trouble or remind you of the wonders of the night before."

by Chiburb on May 14, 2008 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The frustrating thing

is that the Sox should probably be more like 20-18 or 21-17…..and we’d be in first place. All this “vitriol” is about that…..I’m not on my high horse here….I’m just as pissed as everyone else that record isn’t flipped. We’ve done a fine job of listing many of them. UNFORTUNATELY, none of us has any control (nor do the Sox) over the biggest factor between us being in third vs. first place….silly ol” luck.

by dantesox on May 14, 2008 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

THT pythag report says 21 wins

we’re victims of bad luck. Oh well. Let’s look through that and see the pretty decent core and potential. If it doesn’t get realized, then too bad but that’s still going to be better looking than 2007.

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on May 14, 2008 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

people who are freaking out need to go back

and look at their predictions in the SSS al central projections. very few people had the sox winning at an over .500 clip this season.

"For those that don't understand stats... that ops is horrifying."

by Toonderstrook on May 14, 2008 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that doesn't mean we can't bitch when we see something bad

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on May 14, 2008 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

sure enough.

but if you expect mediocre, and lo and behold you get mediocre, it shouldn’t be as maddening. like jre says…not playing up to expectations is the time to get fired up, not playing to expecations.

"For those that don't understand stats... that ops is horrifying."

by Toonderstrook on May 14, 2008 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its all part of the swagger and passion

We can’t help it – we’re Chicago tough

by Brush Back on May 14, 2008 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the season may be mediocre

but in terms of one game (like last night), or one road trip (I’m thinking specifically of MIN/TOR), it can be way worse than mediocre.

Maybe its just me, but I can’t watch their 6 game losing streak and say, “ah, everything’s hunky-dory because they are back to .500, and that’s where I expected them to be.”

Accepting mediocrity, even predicted mediocrity, sounds like a trait of Cub fans. Maybe I’m out of the mainstream, because I see this argument a lot around here. But I can’t adopt the stance that pre-season expectations are set in stone, and that I can’t expect a little more based on a few positive developments.

Mosi Tatupu! Mosi Tatupu!

by Nordhagen on May 14, 2008 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

of course mediocrity isn’t hunky dory. and no, it isn’t reasonable to sit through a 6-game losing streak and be at all excited. but is it any more reasonable to get a surprisingly good five weeks out of three players, none of who have ever ever had a successful full season, and suddenly expect so much more from the long 162-game grind of a season?

"For those that don't understand stats... that ops is horrifying."

by Toonderstrook on May 14, 2008 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mediocre talent

doesn’t need to play bad fundamentals such as hitting a cut off man. This is the big leagues. The worst guy in the bigs should be fundamentally sound.

Show mercy. I get to watch the Rangers.

by Tim from Texas on May 14, 2008 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How much of ths anger and disappointment

can be explained by 2007?

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on May 14, 2008 11:57 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

We need

more f*cking singles!

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on May 14, 2008 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

not a lot of it

this is what fans do: complain about their team.

by larry on May 14, 2008 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i wish we would lose in morally acceptable ways more often

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on May 14, 2008 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ding! ding! ding!

we have a winner!

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on May 14, 2008 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's closing in on 2 years of craptastic baseball

That’s not fun. And it’s exacerbated by the Cubs being an elite team this year.

by hitlesswonder on May 14, 2008 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the Cubs have been an elite team this early many times

in the last 100 years…

"Lipstick traces on cigarettes can get you in trouble or remind you of the wonders of the night before."

by Chiburb on May 14, 2008 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the Cubs make the playoffs with some frequency

it’s just that once they’re there it goes so hilariously.

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on May 14, 2008 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's great to see the Cubs do well

so I can enjoy watching it all go down the toilet come playoff time. Maybe Aramis Ramirez can come up with another 0-16 effort…ha, ha, ha!

"We're gonna bring it all day, everyday...we're gonna keep grinding it out." - Nick Swisher (4/1/08)

by tailgater on May 14, 2008 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Frustration setting in...

as the Sox are getting (unexpected) above-average pitching, yet we are still “waiting for the big bats to come around.” This wait has been going on since sometime in 2006, right?

Swinging for the fences is OK if you actually connect and hit it over the fence. But I have seen way too many pop outs that don’t even make it out of the infield lately…leading to dismal, short innings.

And for Chrissakes, do we have to add the great Jered Weaver to the list of pitchers that you can pencil in an “L” before he even takes the mound? I swear at one point Hawk called him “Dennis” which I found quite funny. (Great Dennis Weaver movie – “Duel” from 1971 – check it out sometime).

Yet…and here’s the “glass half full” news…the Sox are still in the hunt! If they can actually start hitting to their capability, the rest of the year could be interesting.

Oh, and…Detroit still blows…hah!

"We're gonna bring it all day, everyday...we're gonna keep grinding it out." - Nick Swisher (4/1/08)

by tailgater on May 14, 2008 12:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Going over the Knights again...

Chris Getz hit his fourth home run of the season last night.

Small sample size caveat, but he’s got crazy home/road splits -

Home – .328/.361/.603
Away – .226/.314/.290

He’s also got a severe platoon split -

vs. lefty – .176/.263/.353
vs. righty – .314/.366/.477

As larry would say, he’d fit right in.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on May 14, 2008 1:07 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

let'

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on May 14, 2008 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

OT (not that most of this thread isn't):

Is there anything in the rules that mandates keeping an International Free Agent on the roster ala Rule 5 signees?

"Lipstick traces on cigarettes can get you in trouble or remind you of the wonders of the night before."

by Chiburb on May 14, 2008 1:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

International Free Agent

Austin Powers?

Yeah baby, yeah!

"We're gonna bring it all day, everyday...we're gonna keep grinding it out." - Nick Swisher (4/1/08)

by tailgater on May 14, 2008 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

groovy, baby.

"Lipstick traces on cigarettes can get you in trouble or remind you of the wonders of the night before."

by Chiburb on May 14, 2008 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But there may be in a specific contract? Which may explain you know what?

"Lipstick traces on cigarettes can get you in trouble or remind you of the wonders of the night before."

by Chiburb on May 14, 2008 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

just trying to make sense of it

"Lipstick traces on cigarettes can get you in trouble or remind you of the wonders of the night before."

by Chiburb on May 14, 2008 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

guess chiburb is still in denial re: logic's death.

"For those that don't understand stats... that ops is horrifying."

by Toonderstrook on May 14, 2008 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

First up in the SSS Weekly Book Club:

Camus’ L’etranger

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on May 14, 2008 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you seeing for the last time something commensurate with man's capacity for wonder?

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on May 14, 2008 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My head may be empty,

but it has a full head of dark hair on it. Not enhanced.

So there.

I took the "under".

by winningugly on May 14, 2008 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A little defensive are we?

Sheesh, take a joke (for once) ;o

Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.

by rhythm on May 14, 2008 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, that's me, Mr. Defensive

At least at 3rd base.

I took the "under".

by winningugly on May 14, 2008 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Zing!

but don’t tell me how many plays you made at the hot corner, tell me when you made ‘em

Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.

by rhythm on May 14, 2008 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

better yet, why don't we let the video tell the story.

"For those that don't understand stats... that ops is horrifying."

by Toonderstrook on May 14, 2008 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

POS

The Truth, I will begin calling you.

I took the "under".

by winningugly on May 14, 2008 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He played football too!

you could look it up.

"Lipstick traces on cigarettes can get you in trouble or remind you of the wonders of the night before."

by Chiburb on May 14, 2008 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

American?

It matters.

I took the "under".

by winningugly on May 14, 2008 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

no, the other kind. and may I remind you that we have some fans

of that game here. So be careful before you diss it!!!

I can’t wait to see what’s #2 on the SSS booklist.

"Lipstick traces on cigarettes can get you in trouble or remind you of the wonders of the night before."

by Chiburb on May 14, 2008 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rick Brinkman: How To Deal With Difficult People

"For those that don't understand stats... that ops is horrifying."

by Toonderstrook on May 14, 2008 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Physician, heal thyself!

Dale Carnegie: How To Win Friends and Influence People

The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich would be my 2nd choice.

I took the "under".

by winningugly on May 14, 2008 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was hoping for something Descartes-like

something I could relate to:
I used to think, therefore I must have been.

"Lipstick traces on cigarettes can get you in trouble or remind you of the wonders of the night before."

by Chiburb on May 14, 2008 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A bit defensive here, nicht war, Chi?

Just askin’.

Though is a bit poofy to get upset…over a perceived slight…of SOCCER.

;)

I took the "under".

by winningugly on May 14, 2008 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That would require skill, dexterity, strategy.

All the attributes I lack.

Seriously, I watched the World Cup when it was last in O’do. Tough to get excited. But I did the same at the Kentucky Derby, and had the same reaction. Subtlety escapes me. As you have witnessed on numerous occasions.

I took the "under".

by winningugly on May 14, 2008 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

speaking of "mad":

I was walking past the mental hospital the other day,and all the
patients were shouting ,’13….13….13’

The fence was too high to see over, but I saw a little gap in the planks
and looked through to see what was going on.

Then some stupid moron poked me in the eye with a stick.

Then they all started shouting ‘14….14….14

"Lipstick traces on cigarettes can get you in trouble or remind you of the wonders of the night before."

by Chiburb on May 14, 2008 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep, he sure is fast

and he sure is stupid. nailed it.

You’d better pass that test. If not, the karma will be exquisite…

I took the "under".

by winningugly on May 14, 2008 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and another thing...

it might just be that bad karma has already caught up to me, and that’s how i ended up in the profession in the first place.

"For those that don't understand stats... that ops is horrifying."

by Toonderstrook on May 14, 2008 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL!

Only your therapist knows for sure. Maybe your girlfriend.

I took the "under".

by winningugly on May 14, 2008 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and that reminds me...

she’s thinking about becoming a cfp. maybe you could dissuade her?

"For those that don't understand stats... that ops is horrifying."

by Toonderstrook on May 14, 2008 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If she's already an attorney

she won’t listen to me, anyway.

Your goose is cooked, one way or the other.

I took the "under".

by winningugly on May 14, 2008 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The rapist? In CA?

I thought that was a NYC thing.

Out here we have yoga, the cure for anything that ails ya!

Stressed out at work – try yoga
Gotta sore throat – yoga will soothe it
poked in the eye – yoga will make it better
terminal cancer – yoga can beat it
crippled in a car accident – yoga will fix you right up

Out here, the only true way to fix Toonder’s karma problem would be to attend a yoga workshop in the Santa Cruz Mountains. Clearly.

Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.

by rhythm on May 14, 2008 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i already made it down that way once this month. no mas.

"For those that don't understand stats... that ops is horrifying."

by Toonderstrook on May 14, 2008 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Surprised you didn't get that one

Haven’t you been bombarded by those new-age / spiritualistic types that claim yoga cures all?

I encountered a lot those people a few years back and have been joking about it ever since. Don’t get me wrong, yoga is a good way to stretch and maintain or improve your flexibility, but some people take it way too far and claim such ridiculousness that no wars would occur if only everyone did yoga. In all fairness, I’ve heard the same said about LSD, but I digress.

I suppose I should have stipulated that it be a weekend yoga retreat, perhaps that would have been more obvious.

Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.

by rhythm on May 14, 2008 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i thought i was clearly joking

I was PERFECTLY clear in my head.

"Lipstick traces on cigarettes can get you in trouble or remind you of the wonders of the night before."

by Chiburb on May 14, 2008 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It goes beyond the coaching

There was a good article a while back how the entire Boston Red Sox organization is on the same page. How they have expectations for how their players hit, field, pitch, run the bases, etc. It’s laid out in a text book. When they draft players they look for players who can meet those expectations. They don’t try to fit a square peg in a round hole. They don’t promote them within the organization unless they follow the script. When you see the discipline of guys like Ellsbury, Youkilis, or Pedroia you see the results of an organization that has their stuff together. Baltimore and the Dodgers ran themselves this way in the 70’s and early 80’s and always had great farm systems loaded with talent ready to step in each year. That motivated the major leaguers to play the right way or they knew they were gone.

Sadly, the White Sox are lacking up and down their organization. I like Ozzie, but how can he or Walker possibly preach plate discipline unless they don’t allow the current players access to past videos of themselves. Neither had any of it. The preaching needs to come from the top and that means Kenny Williams who again needs to make sure his players don’t remember what a horrible hitter with no discipline he was. If I was Reinsdorf I would pluck one of Boston’s up and coming executives to completely change the culture of the White Sox organization. It shouldn’t be hard to get someone because they have to know there is very little room for advancement to GM with Theo Epstein being about 15 years old and certain to stick round for another 50 years.

by Duck63 on May 14, 2008 6:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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Beginning Wednesday, street light banners commemorating a series of special events in Chicago are going on the auction block for charity.

Some of the banners were shown off Tuesday, including those featuring Pres. Barack Obama both before and after his election.

A White Sox World Series Championship banner, signed by pitcher Mark Buehrle, is also being sold, as is a Blackhawks playoff banner signed by Denis Savard and Stan Mikita.

The bidding starts at 12 p.m. Wednesday at Daley Center. Money raised goes to help the Chicago Anti-hunger Federation and the Greater Chicago Food Depository.
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