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White Sox Season Over; Time to Talk Draft - Part 2

john sickel's top college hitters and pitchers lists; other interesting college hitters

john sickel's top high school hitters and pitchers lists

john sickel's 2008 Draft Board (As of 12 Noon, May 17)

minorleagueball community mock draft, #8

White Sox Mock Draft draft thread at john sickels' site

 

college ball blog; direct link to draft coverage

baseball america's draft site; mock draft; top-200 prospects (with stats)

milb's 2008 draft reports (with videos)

jonathan mayo's (mlb.com) draft blog; 5/14 mock draft, 5/21 mock draft, 5/28 mock draft,

Part 1  of SSS MLB draft diary

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John Sickel's 2008 Draft Board (As of 12 Noon, May 17)
Here is a look at my current draft board. THIS IS NOT A PREDICTION OR PROJECTION OF THE FIRST ROUND. This is my current personal opinion of these players. This will continue to change as we approach draft day and some players are already ranked differently compared to the lists I’ve been doing this past week.

1) Buster Posey, C, Florida State: Great bat, has proven to be solid defender.
2) Tim Beckham, SS, Georgia HS: Overall tools package.
3) Kyle Skipworth, C, California HS: Hits, fields, and intuition loves him.
4) Gordon Beckham, SS, Georgia: Love him almost as much as Posey.
5) Justin Smoak, 1B, South Carolina: Best college bat but not as valuable defensively as Posey and Beckham.
6) Aaron Crow, RHP, Missouri: Stock has dropped just a hair but still looks great to me.
7) Brian Matusz, LHP, San Diego: Could easily flip with Crow.
8) Pedro Alvarez, 3B, Vanderbilt: Injury knocks him back a couple of notches but still elite.
9) Eric Hosmer, 1B, Florida HS: All reports look great. Signability?
10) Yonder Alonso, 1B, Miami: Another bat impossible not to love.

http://www.minorleagueball.com/2008/5/17/519689/john-s-2008-draft-board-as

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by The Wizard on May 17, 2008 1:12 PM CDT reply actions  

other than alonso at #10

that’s a pretty good list. surprising to see alvarez fall so far on his list.

by larry on May 17, 2008 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

You don't like Alonso?

Most projections I’ve seen talk about him in the 6-12 range. I would think ten would be about right for him. Who would you put at 10?

by bhoov on May 17, 2008 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

As long as we draft one of these position players, I will be happy...

I don’t want to see Kenny draft another pitcher with the #8 pick.

by SSH2005 on May 17, 2008 1:30 PM CDT reply actions  

sheppers reaction
Talked to a lot of folks today and news of the Scheppers injury was topic No. 1. The reaction pretty much came in one of two ways:

1. I’ve never heard of an injury like this. Not from pitching, anyway.
2. I wonder if this is the whole story.

Now, the scouting industry is skeptical by nature, and for good reason. As one scout told me, he’s seen a player sit out with a reported groin strain only to need elbow surgery a week later (who knew the groin and elbow were connected like that???). The point is that people don’t always tell the truth about injuries. Is the “stress fracture” just masking something else, like a torn labrum or rotator cuff? I don’t know if that’s true, but there is some concern out there that there’s more going on here.

Another worry was if Scheppers hurt the shoulder doing something off the field. No one, and I mean no one, had ever heard of a pitcher getting a stress fracture in the shoulder from pitching. That doesn’t mean it can’t happen - you’ll hear about elbow stress fractures from hard throwers like Bobby Jenks from time to time - but this would mark the first time many baseball lifers had ever seen anything like this. So even if it is just a stress fracture, there has to be concern over how a guy manages to do that while pitching. ...

http://draft.mlblogs.com/archives/2008/05/scheppers_reax.html

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by The Wizard on May 17, 2008 2:33 PM CDT reply actions  

hey wiz, could you post your top 8 for the sox to draft?

since we’re running the show, i’d like to see where you’re at so we can get towards a consensus for us.

by larry on May 17, 2008 9:08 PM CDT reply actions  

easy

on your list

1. buster posey
2. pedro alvarez
3. tim beckham
4. justin smoak
5. kyle skipworth
6. aaron crow
7. brian matusz
8. gordon beckham

put hosmer and alonso at 7 & 8

1. buster posey
2. pedro alvarez
3. tim beckham
4. justin smoak
5. kyle skipworth
6. eric hosmer
7. yonder alonso
8. gordon beckham

these are my targets; I’m not very confident in my ranking

cheat, what does your crystal ball say?

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by The Wizard on May 17, 2008 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've got the same top 5

and I want one of them to fall to the Sox… Alvarez is out, because we know he’s represented by Boras. Posey won’t fall, neither will the younger bechham. So, for me to be really happy, Smoak or Skipworth have to fall… Smoak’s got a shot, based on mock drafts that I’ve seen…

I suppose I’d be alright with the older beckham, but I’m not that impressed. The scouting report reads like a ‘03-’05 Brian Anderson—does a lot of things well, nothing spectacularly. The only way I’m drafting that description is if I know he can stick at short.

I want up the middle offensive talent and of it’s Beckham or one of the top 5. I don’t want ‘em. No Alonso. No wallace. Gimme the top pitcher, Matusz, Crow.

So my board goes like this

Posey
Alvarez
T. Beckham
Skipworth
Smoak
Matusz—I bet there would be people against taking another big lefty, but Matusz has the secondary stuff such that he’s ahead of Poreda already, at least if you’re talking about a starting pitcher
Crow
Beckham, who would be higher if we were confident about his defense.

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by The Cheat on May 20, 2008 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

what's your opinion of hosmer?

I know the sox probably won’t select him, but I’d like to hear your opinion

since matusz has the secondary stuff I’ll add him to my board

about crow, are you worried about his saber-scouting report?

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by The Wizard on May 20, 2008 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

To me

Funky delivery is a good thing, as long as it doesn’t hinder your ability to throw strikes, throw breaking pitches (Poreda), or your injury prognosis…

The guy I liked for us last year (Alderson) had a funky delivery.

We’re talking about a wrist cock, here. I don’t think it’s anything to get excited about…

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by The Cheat on May 20, 2008 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gordon Beckham Assessment?

I’m not knowledgeable about amateur ball. I’ve never seen any of these guys play, nor have I really studied the various scouting sources. However, its seems from reading the extensive stuff that you guys have posted (and thanks for all your work), that at least some of the “experts” rate old Beckham higher than you do. You guys apparently see him as the worst you could do in your mock draft while other writers seem to view him more highly.

Sickels seems to be Beckham’s biggest fan:

#3 College hitter: Gordon Beckham, SS, Georgia: Hitting .412/.524/.874, OPS is about +79 percent better than context. Has also stolen 16 bases in 17 attempts, producing power, plate discipline, etc., and he can play shortstop. Some people compare him to Khalil Greene, others say he’ll hit better than that. Again, this might be controversial ranking him ahead of Smoak and maybe I’ll change my mind.
#4 Overall Pick: Gordon Beckham, SS, Georgia: Love him almost as much as Posey.

MiLB.com’s scouting report is a little more measured:


Hitting Ability: Beckham is a line-drive hitter who consistently squares up on the ball and works the count to his advantage.
Power: He’s got suprising power considering his size, with average to a tick above-average pop.
Running Speed: He has average speed and is better once underway.
Base Running: He’s got good instincts and is an excellent baserunner.
Arm Strength: His arm grades out as average to a tick above and plays fine from shortstop.
Fielding: He’s a very natural defender, but he’s fighting his size a bit at short and might profile better as a second baseman.
Range: He has above-average range.
Physical Description: Beckham is not an imposing figure, nor does he look particularly imposing at first glance.
Medical Update: Healthy.
Strengths: His bat. He’s got outstanding hitting skills and more than a little power. He plays the game the right way.
Weaknesses: While he’s fine at short for now, it might not be the best long-term defensive home for him.
Summary: At first glance, he doesn’t stand out. But then you watch him play for a little and can’t help but be impressed. Beckham has quality at-bats and some pretty good pop, surprising considering his size. He’s capable of being an excellent defender, but might be better suited at second as a pro. He’s the kind of college infielder who should come off the board quickly.

Johnathan Mayo on MLB.com likes G. Beckham going at #8 to the Sox:

Every once in a while, there’s a rumor so strong, one repeated from numerous sources, that you almost can’t believe it to be true. At every turn, word was that the White Sox really liked Wallace. While most consider him to be an outstanding hitter, something about it just didn’t seem to be right. That’s not to say that if things fall differently, they wouldn’t look in his direction, but in the scenario laid out here, with Gordon Beckham available, they’ll go with who most would consider to be the better overall player.

Along with Posey, no hitter has helped his cause more with his performance than the Georgia shortstop. He’s been among the NCAA leaders in just about every offensive category, showing a lot more power. He could get to the bigs quickly and how often does a possible impact bat in the middle infield come along?

Now, I’ve seen in a few of your threads some concern that G. Beckham is not a ML shortstop or that his ungodly offensive production this year is not a fair estimate of his true hitting ability. My question is, what is the basis for those reservations? What is it that you’ve seen or read or deduced that pushes your assessment of Beckham below Sickels and, to a lesser extent, some other observers?

by Landfill on May 18, 2008 9:58 AM CDT reply actions  

this is a fluid thing

and, since i’ve read more and looked at more video, g. beckham has moved up from #8 for me.

by larry on May 18, 2008 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

College Baseball Blog

I should be posting a Top 10 sometime in the coming week.

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by Zlax45 on May 18, 2008 1:07 PM CDT reply actions  

thanks!

you run a very nice blog there

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by The Wizard on May 18, 2008 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Smooooooak

Are ya smokin’ yet?

Me wants.

by Daniel Berlyn on May 18, 2008 7:21 PM CDT reply actions  

kevin goldstein on
Yonder Alonso, 1B, University of Miami

The Hurricanes’ regular season ended with the series of the year, as top-ranking Miami played host over the weekend to No. 2 North Carolina. While the Tar Heels took two of three and are likely now the new No. 1, Alonso certainly did his part for the ‘Canes in the series, going deep in all three games. The first baseman enters the ACC Tourney with averages of .380/.548/.797 in 50 games, having slugged 18 home runs in 158 at-bats and drawing 61 walks against just 22 strikeouts. He’s been a bit of a creeper in this year’s draft, moving up slowly but continuously, and rumors have him going as high as sixth overall to Florida. That seems to be based on more of Alonso’s status as a Cuban immigrant and Miami native more than anything else, but he’s firmly put himself into the mix for several teams drafting in the latter portions of the top ten.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=7544

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by The Wizard on May 19, 2008 1:38 PM CDT reply actions  

I like Alonso

a lot, but assuming Smoak is gone, I have to wonder if he’s better than Brett Wallace. If I was put in a situation where both Crow and Alonso are unpicked, I would have to take Crow. In fact, that’s what I did in a mock… I really don’t think Crow would fall that far though.

I think that Alonso or Wallace is a worst case scenario. Which is really a good thing when you put it in perspective.

by Daniel Berlyn on May 19, 2008 2:47 PM CDT reply actions  

White Sox tab Fernandez for Draft rep
It was almost two full decades ago when the White Sox last had a top 10 selection in the first round of the First-Year Player Draft.

At that time, in 1990, the South Siders used the fourth overall pick on a right-handed pitcher out of Miami Dade South Community College named Alex Fernandez. He turned out to be more than a moderate Major League success, winning 107 games over a 10-year career for the White Sox and Marlins. He pitched in the playoffs for Chicago in 1993 and with Florida in ‘97.

So, it seems only fitting that the White Sox would bring back Fernandez as one of their 2008 representatives at the Draft table, with the team holding the eighth pick overall after last year’s 72-90 showing. The 38-year-old Fernandez retired after the 2000 campaign.

MLB.com will carry every pick of the 2008 First-Year Player Draft, which takes place June 5-6 at The Milk House at Disney’s Wide World of Sports complex in Orlando, Fla. Day 1 coverage on BaseballChannel.TV begins at noon CT with a special ceremonial draft of former Negro Leaguers who will be on hand at The Milk House. The First-Year Player Draft follows at 1 p.m. with a simulcast of ESPN2’s broadcast of the first round and compensation picks. The remaining rounds on Day 1 will be shown exclusively on BaseballChannel.TV, with live analysis on site from MLB.com Draft guru Jonathan Mayo and David Rawnsley of Perfect Game USA.

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080519&content_id=2731608&vkey=news_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws

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by The Wizard on May 20, 2008 1:18 PM CDT reply actions  

from MLBTR

Pirates Likely To Draft Pedro Alvarez

MLB.com’s Dick Kaegel hears the Royals are leaning toward an impact bat in the June draft. Baseball America predicted catcher Buster Posey, while Jonathan Mayo went with first baseman Eric Hosmer. First baseman Justin Smoak is another possibility.

Giants Aiming For Position Player In Draft

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008_amateur_draft/index.html

pirates are at #2, royals 3, giant 5

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by The Wizard on May 20, 2008 3:16 PM CDT reply actions  

Here's what we have to draw from what we know so far:

First, there are certain guys that are going to be gone by the time the White Sox are picking. Posey, for better or for worse, will be gone. I thought he could fall to the Sox earlier but it’s palpable at this point that he is too much of a premium commodity to fall that far. Alvarez will be gone. Tim Beckham will be gone. Skipworth will go to the Marlins if no one else takes him first. Matusz will be gone, in all likeliness. Smoak is a wild-card, and a big one. There won’t be a high-school player, because that’s not what the Sox do. This knocks out Hosmer whether he’s there or not, that and Boras. I thought that Crow would go to the Royals at 3 but it seems they have other plans, and teams before us want hitters. Plus, Crow has high signing demands apparently.

So far, who we will not (be able to) pick of who has been speculated here:
Tim Beckham, Buster Posey, Pedro Alvarez, Brian Matusz, Kyle Skipworth

There are two teams that I can easily predict the picks of. The first is the Rays, who want a hitter. They will probably go for Posey, maybe T-Beck. If they went for Beckham, it would transversely be very good for the White Sox, because it is one more college bat to add into the mix if they don’t take Posey. Any team looking at Smoak would probably take Posey or Alvarez. But I digress… the Rays will probably take Posey. Another easy target is the Marlins, who are in love with Kyle Skipworth. Assuming that happens, there are five potential, let me just call them “Smoak Hazards”. The first potential Smoak Hazard would be the Pirates. They really want a bat this year, and I can’t blame them. I have a hunch they’ll rub their nuts together and pick Alvarez, but T-Beck is a reasonable choice too. The fact that they want an impact bat can’t rule Smoak out of their plans, though. One down.

The next is the Royals, who also want a bat. It’s a strong class for hitters. I see Smoak as a very viable target of the Roys, because they have a bit more of a need for offense right now than pitching. And there are only guys like Ross Gload and Ryan Shealy blocking him. Blocking him about as much as a yamaka blocks the sun. In a perfect world, they would go for hometown stud Aaron Crow to be their future ace. It doesn’t look like that will happen. Will they go for Hosmer or T-Beck? Just as likely as they take Smoak. I have a hunch they’ll go for Beckham.

The next is the Orioles. The Orioles, I think, will go for Matusz. But they have every reason to go for Smoak, too. The Giants are an interesting one. The only way they could take him is if they LaPorta him, or put him in the outfield. I don’t think that’s much of an option, but that won’t stop a club from drafting him. The Giants are kind of in a bad situation here. They have the fifth pick, and they need a fast moving bat desperately but they would be blocking their best prospect if they took advantage of the first basemen available. If Alvarez or Tim Beckham fell to them, consider them Giants property. One thing they could do is screw up the Marlins and take Skipworth, or go for Gordon Beckham. That seems viable. That could open the door for the Marlins to get Smoak, but I’m not worried about that. Consider the Giants a Smoak Hazard, regardless of Villalona.

If Skipworth is undrafted, he will go to the Marlins. That leaves the Reds. The Reds have their first basemen of the future in Votto, but this represents a similar situation to the Giants. I don’t think they will go for Smoak. I think, according to Jocketty’s philosophy, that they will go for either a high upside high-schooler or a college pitcher. If Gordon Beckham is still here, that may change things. But if Crow is available, he has a good shot of going to the Reds.

This leaves these players who have a feasible shot of going to the White Sox:
Smoak, Crow, G. Beckham, Alonso, Wallace

This is the five guys I would be making a draft board of. I like Crow over all the hitters except Smoak. The White Sox love Wallace, he is a very good hitter and is by no means a bad pick at 8, in my opinion. If and when it comes down to Crow vs. Alonso/Wallace/Beckham, I have to take Crow. At the same time, I wouldn’t be upset if we got one of those hitters because they have high floors and will move quickly to the majors. If Smoak is available and they don’t take him, I will be legitimately upset. I think there’s a 30-50% chance Smoak is available. Maybe higher, but I don’t want to get your hopes up or mine.

by Daniel Berlyn on May 20, 2008 5:06 PM CDT reply actions  

Agree with the Rays taking Posey - the local (FL) angle is being built up,

and it’d be great to have the #1 pick home-grown (from Tampa’s perspective). Rays can use all the box-office they can get. Think Mauer.

Re: your analysis: It looks like we have a legit shot at a legit high-ceiling prospect. I’ll take it.

I took the "under".

by winningugly on May 20, 2008 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

re

I have a hunch they’ll rub their nuts together

LOL!

If Smoak is available and they don’t take him, I will be legitimately upset.

legitimately upset? I’ll be livid and outraged

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by The Wizard on May 20, 2008 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

86

Brett Lawrie, C?

Adrian Nieto, C?

Petey Paramore, C?

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by The Wizard on May 20, 2008 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

They all have a good chance of being taken.

Nieto has serious questions about his defense, though, and Lawrie has some questions. Lawrie will definitely be gone, and Paramore will too. That leaves Nieto, and it’s questionable whether we would even want him.

by Daniel Berlyn on May 20, 2008 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

how about Tim Federowicz ?

Tim Federowicz, 2008 stats

I assume Jason Castro will be gone, yes?

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by The Wizard on May 24, 2008 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

gah

doesn’t look like he can hit much. I don’t know where he projects. I feel like Jim Thome.

by Daniel Berlyn on May 24, 2008 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

86

I don’t know enough about the next tier to talk about it much, but look out for Tim Murphy, a college lefty. The Sox could take a flyer on Brandon Crawford if he’s there, his stock has fallen a lot. I don’t know much about the high-school ranks, Williams and Co. seem to like to take a high-schooler with the second pick they have. Maybe Anthony Gose.

by Daniel Berlyn on May 20, 2008 5:36 PM CDT reply actions  

mayo's (MLB.com) new mock draft
1. Tampa Bay Rays: Tim Beckham, SS, Griffin HS, Griffin, Ga.

2. Pittsburgh Pirates: Pedro Alvarez, 3B, Vanderbilt

3. Kansas City Royals: Eric Hosmer, 1B, American Heritage HS, Plantation, Fla.

4. Baltimore Orioles: Brian Matusz, LHP, University of San Diego

5. San Francisco Giants: Buster Posey, C, Florida State

6. Florida Marlins: Kyle Skipworth, C, Patriot HS, Riverside, Calif.

7. Cincinnati Reds: Aaron Crow, RHP, University of Missouri

8. Chicago White Sox: Gordon Beckham, SS, University of Georgia

There’s still some mention of ASU’s Brett Wallace, and Skipworth could be a possibility if he were to slip a bit, but G-Beck really makes a whole lot of sense here, both from a best player available and need in the organization standpoint. I know, you don’t draft for need this high, but it’s a nice bonus when it happens.

9. Washington Nationals: Justin Smoak, 1B, University of South Carolina

10. Houston Astros: Yonder Alonso, 1B, University of Miami

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080521&content_id=2742021&vkey=draft2008&fext=.jsp

last week:

1. Tampa Bay Rays: Buster Posey, C, Florida State

2. Pittsburgh Pirates: Pedro Alvarez, 3B, Vanderbilt

3. Kansas City Royals: Eric Hosmer, 1B, American Heritage HS, Plantation, Fla.

4. Baltimore Orioles: Brian Matusz, LHP, University of San Diego

5. San Francisco Giants: Tim Beckham, SS, Griffin HS, Griffin, Ga.

6. Florida Marlins: Kyle Skipworth, C, Patriot HS, Riverside, Calif.

7. Cincinnati Reds: Aaron Crow, RHP, University of Missouri

8. Chicago White Sox: Gordon Beckham, SS, University of Georgia

9. Washington Nationals: Justin Smoak, 1B, University of South Carolina

10. Houston Astros: Tanner Scheppers, RHP, Fresno State

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080514&content_id=2698111&vkey=draft2008&fext=.jsp

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by The Wizard on May 21, 2008 1:38 PM CDT reply actions  

regier
When asked to assess the state of the White Sox Minor League system, Regier stated how there was no doubt in his mind that some talented young hurlers now practicing their craft at lower levels eventually will make the jump to Chicago. He added that if the system needed a specific upgrade, it would focus in on adding dynamic or impact position players.

“For me, it would be nice to have that hang-your-hat player position-player wise,” Regier said. “I think we are on solid ground with some of the good arms we have.”

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080521&content_id=2743405&vkey=news_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws


thought I’d add this to the draft diary too

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by The Wizard on May 21, 2008 9:26 PM CDT reply actions  

Baseball-Intellect's Brian Matusz scouting report

http://www.baseball-intellect.com/Articles/college-draft-brian-matusz.html

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by The Wizard on May 21, 2008 10:31 PM CDT reply actions  

PG Crosschecker Top-50

Rank Player Pos. Class B-T HT WT College Hometown Prev. Drafted B’date
1. Buster Posey C Jr. R-R 6-2 200 Florida State Leesburg, Ga. Angels ‘05 (50) 3-27-87
It’s been the Spring of Dreams for the Seminoles catcher, as he’s been arguably college baseball’s top hitter, furthered his defensive abilities behind the plate and put himself in position to be the No. 1 overall pick.

Rank Player Pos. Class B-T HT WT College Hometown Prev. Drafted B’date
2. Pedro Alvarez 3B Jr. L-R 6-2 225 Vanderbilt New York, N.Y. Red Sox ‘05 (14) 2-6-87
Alvarez’s resume was so strong going into the spring that his understandable drop in power after a broken hamate bone can be overlooked, and has.

Rank Player Pos. Class B-T HT WT College Hometown Prev. Drafted B’date
3. Brian Matusz LHP Jr. L-L 6-4 200 San Diego Cave Creek, Ariz. Angels ‘05 (4) 2-11-87
Matusz has separated himself from the other top college pitchers by showing three plus pitches every time out, the kind of consistency that scouts crave.

Rank Player Pos. Class B-T HT WT High School Hometown Commitment B’date
4. Tim Beckham SS Sr. R-R 6-2 191 Griffin Griffin, Ga. So. California 1-27-90
Beckham has done nothing particularly special this spring, just reaffirm that he’s a true shortstop and the best athlete in the 2008 HS class.

Rank Player Pos. Class B-T HT WT College Hometown Prev. Drafted B’date
5. Aaron Crow RHP Jr. R-R 6-1 195 Missouri Wakarusa, Kan. Never drafted 11-11-86
Crow is 11-0, 2.82 on the season, but has been merely mortal the past month after a blistering start.

Rank Player Pos. Class B-T HT WT High School Hometown Commitment B’date
6. Kyle Skipworth C Sr. L-R 6-3 195 Patriot Riverside, Calif. Arizona State 3-1-90
There has been no better high school hitter this spring anywhere in the country than Skipworth (.580-13-47, including 18 straight hits at one point).

Rank Player Pos. Class B-T HT WT College Hometown Prev. Drafted B’date
7. Gordon Beckham SS Jr. B-R 6-0 180 Georgia Atlanta Never drafted 9-16-86
It will likely be either Beckham, the NCAA home run leader most of the year and a flashy defender at shortstop, or Buster Posey as the college player of the year.

Rank Player Pos. Class B-T HT WT College Hometown Prev. Drafted B’date
8. Justin Smoak 1B Jr. B-L 6-4 215 South Carolina Goose Creek, S.C. Athletics ‘05 (16) 12-5-86
The South Carolina switch-hitter slumped through last summer and early spring, but has been the hottest hitter in college baseball the last month.

Rank Player Pos. Class B-T HT WT High School Hometown Commitment B’date
9. Eric Hosmer 1B Sr. L-L 6-4 210 American Heritage Cooper City, Fla. Arizona State 10-24-89
Hosmer has been every bit as good as advertised this spring under tremendous scrutiny as the top prep power hitter, and has touched 98 mph on the mound as well.

Rank Player Pos. Class B-T HT WT College Hometown Prev. Drafted B’date
10. Tanner Scheppers RHP Jr. R-R 6-4 200 Fresno State Laguna Niguel, Calif. Orioles ‘05 (29) 1-17-87
Originally recruited to Fresno State as a lanky shortstop, Scheppers has filled out and become a dominant pitcher who may still have some projection left.

http://www.pgcrosschecker.com/draft/2008/top_prospects/top50_51208.aspx

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by The Wizard on May 23, 2008 6:02 PM CDT reply actions  

Kevin Goldstein: The Draft's Dirty Dozen (free)
8. Chicago White Sox. A recent embarrassing shake-up in the White Sox scouting department shouldn’t have much of an effect on their drafting philosophy, but the talent available almost dictates a college bat at a non-premium position. The White Sox could generat the first real surprise of the draft by taking Arizona State’s Brett Wallace. At six-foot-one and 245 pounds, he’s not much in the tools department; some scouts have nicknamed him “The Walrus.” Nonetheless, he might have the best chance of being a consistent .400+ on-base player in the big leagues, and he’s shown enough of a power improvement this year to merit a mid-first-round selection. Even so, the word remains that the White Sox want him here, because as one scouting director joked, “If Wallace doesn’t hit in the big leagues, I don’t know who does.”
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=7570

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by The Wizard on May 24, 2008 2:15 PM CDT reply actions  

by the way

this is why i don’t like alonso :

12. Oakland Athletics. This could be one of the more interesting picks in the first half of the round. University of Miami slugger Yonder Alonso fits well into the A’s style of power and patience, but the system already has a fair number of first-base/designated hitter type, and Alonso’s splits are currently really hurting his draft status, as he’s struggled mightily against even mediocre college left-handers. The A’s might be interested in one of the remaining top-flight college arms on the board, but don’t be shocked if they go against what is expected of them and take a high-ceiling high school player, with Ethan Martin and Aaron Hicks sitting as the top candidates.

this is another movie i’ve seen a few times.

by larry on May 25, 2008 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

We might have to stomach(no pun intended)

Wallace over someone with higher upside. That may include Smoak.

by Daniel Berlyn on May 24, 2008 2:26 PM CDT reply actions  

If that's the case, let's hope Regier at least gets a nice kickback from the signing bonus

No that I know much, but I’ll be disappointed. Wallace seems like a “low ceiling – high floor” safe pick. Much like the 1B version of Lance Broadway. I’d much rather see the Sox go for Smoak or Beckham.

by hitlesswonder on May 24, 2008 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

ouch!
Out of high school, Smoak was drafted in the 16th round by the A’s. He wanted $1 million to sign, and the rumor was that the A’s held firm at $950,000 (ouch Oakland).
http://thecollegebaseballblog.com/2008/04/17/top-prospect-justin-smoak/


also from the same link,

I think the Marlins and the White Sox are the two teams in play here though. Marlins could go with local pick Alonso, but I cannot imagine Smoak falling past the Sox. They have two old(er) sluggers in Thome and Konerko (could probably throw Dye in there as well). The Sox are trying to win now, and Smoak would not need much more than a season in the minors. His strike zone judgement and experience against good amatuer competition could help him move faster than that.

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by The Wizard on May 25, 2008 1:52 PM CDT reply actions  

sickels' mock draft

if anyone wants to see how it worked last year take a look here:

http://www.minorleagueball.com/stories/archive?year=2007#6

look for the stories on the beginning of june

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by The Wizard on May 25, 2008 1:55 PM CDT reply actions  

That story is BS...

that was the rumor, but if there was really any possibility of signing Smoak there wouldn’t have been a 50,000 dollar impasse, and he would have been drafted much higher anyway. He wanted to go to South Carolina and that was that…

by Daniel Berlyn on May 25, 2008 2:42 PM CDT reply actions  

walker found his man
He is a little pull happy right now, he is going to have to accept some singles the other way.
http://thecollegebaseballblog.com/2008/04/18/top-prospect-gordon-beckham/

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by The Wizard on May 25, 2008 2:46 PM CDT reply actions  

G. Beckham can blow me

He’s the next Khalil Greene and the holy grail of shortstop prospects.

by Daniel Berlyn on May 25, 2008 2:55 PM CDT reply actions  

we're talking the draft here, danny

not guys with whom you want to have oral sex. please keep that confined to the carlos quentin threads.

by larry on May 25, 2008 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

He'll be better at it once he gets to pro ball.

That’s the only way he’ll make it to the bigs, by making friendly with the higher ups

by Daniel Berlyn on May 25, 2008 4:13 PM CDT reply actions  

by the way

my revised list

1. tim beckham
2. pedro alvarez
3. buster posey
4. kyle skipworth
5. justin smoak
6. brian matusz
7. gordon beckham
8. aaron crow

by larry on May 25, 2008 4:14 PM CDT reply actions  

do we need some kind of list/board?

to know who we take after the 1st pick?

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by The Wizard on May 25, 2008 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

you mean at #86 and beyond?

i posted those links to “deep” lists of players above. just grab one of those.

of course, if jordan danks is available…

by larry on May 25, 2008 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Smoak...

For anybody interested, I did a breakdown of Smoak’s swing mechanics:

Justin Smoak scouting report

We see the initial hand load as Smoak shifts his weight forward. Notice as he is moving forward, the bat stays connected with his body indicating a relatively short swing. This also gives you an indication of how strong Smoak’s wrists are.

We can also see Smoak firmly plant his front foot and then turn aggressively on that front leg. He lets his hips and hands rotate together as opposed to achieving extension, which is when the batter lets their hands get out in front to meet the ball, sapping the player of much of their power.

www.baseball-intellect.com

by NovaO on May 26, 2008 9:04 PM CDT reply actions  

thanks!

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by The Wizard on May 26, 2008 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

that's like hardcore porn for wiz

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by larry on May 26, 2008 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol

so there is no confusion, you mean the the mechanics of baseball, that type of stuff?

If so, good news for him cause a big chunk of my site is dedicated to stuff like that.

www.baseball-intellect.com

by NovaO on May 26, 2008 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

re

so there is no confusion, you mean the the mechanics of baseball, that type of stuff?

yes, and especially when in relation to someone there is a small chance the white sox pick

If so, good news for him cause a big chunk of my site is dedicated to stuff like that.

yes, excellent site

I enjoyed the clayton kershaw article

if you like, can you please comment on the ‘scapula loading’ thing
I thought it was something positive that helps generate velocity and can explain (make you not be concerned) about the inverted W thing

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by The Wizard on May 26, 2008 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

from here

read this on THT:

Notice how Cain’s elbow goes behind him towards the first base side? He’s “loading the shoulder.” The quick, elastic “loading” and subsequent “unloading” of the shoulder is a major component of his velocity. Ironically, many scouts and pitching coaches will say that this puts extra stress on the shoulder. Yeah, maybe it does. But from a velocity point of view, this is one of the main reasons he throws hard, REALLY hard.
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/bringin-some-serious-cheese-matt-cain/


but then I saw that

Critics of the inverted W do not understand that you can elevate the scapula which elevates the elbow without changing the geometry of the glenohumeral joint. Any time they see the elbow above the shoulder they immediately equate this to hyperextension or hyperflexion of the glenohumeral joint not realizing that the scapula can elevate the elbow without violating the range of motion of the glenohumeral joint.
http://blog.baseballdigestdaily.com/blog/_archives/2008/5/9/3683154.html

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by The Wizard on May 26, 2008 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

we could probably talk about this all day...

The scap load is a very important component in creating velocity, and anybody that says otherwise doesn’t know much about creating velocity. However, the question comes if the elbow rises above shoulder level. Carlos Gomez (the author of the Cain article) and Paul Nyman (the author of the second article you link to) actually come from the same school of thought in mechanical philosophies.

My philosophy also comes from that school of thought. I prefer aggressive mechanics that maximize a pitcher’s stuff, but in the safest way possible. I would prefer pitchers keep that elbow at or below shoulder’s height, but it isn’t black or white.

The problem with analyzing pitching mechanics and the injuries caused by “bad mechanics” is that we really don’t know anything about what actually caused an injury. The ligaments in the pitching arm may not have been as strong as they needed, the pitcher may have been overused earlier in their career, etc, etc. There are risk factors, sure, but just because somebody has the inverted W doesn’t mean they are destined to get injured or even if somebody with an inverted W gets injured it doesn’t necessarily mean it was because of that inverted W.

In Kershaw’s case, nothing he does really screams injury. He loads his scapula, but in doing so keeps the elbow no higher than the shoulder. He is very efficient in the way he uses his body.

www.baseball-intellect.com

by NovaO on May 27, 2008 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

thanks again!

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by The Wizard on May 27, 2008 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Baseball Mastermind's Alan Hull
With the MLB amateur draft approaching, I thought it would be a good time to start profiling some of the young talent that may be coming to a team near you. Generally speaking, this draft does not have a consensus top prospect, like a Justin Upton or David Price, so it’s anyone’s guess who the top pick will be and the Tampa Bay Rays are thought to be deciding between Buster Posey, Tim Beckham and Pedro Alvarez. After that, the draft can go just about any way and teams will need to see who’s available and trust their evaluations. It should be an interesting draft as it unfolds.

To begin with, I’m going to provide my draft board, based on talent and my projections for the players, followed by a profile of the top talent in the draft, as I see it: Vanderbilt’s Pedro Alvarez.

Here is my Top-15 for the Up-Coming Draft:

1. Pedro Alvarez, 3B, Vanderbilt University
2. Tim Beckham, SS, Griffin HS (GA)
3. Buster Posey, C, Florida State
4. Justin Smoak, 1B, South Carolina
5. Aaron Crow, RHP, Missouri
6. Brian Matusz, LHP, San Diego
7. Gordon Beckham, SS, Georgia
8. Eric Hosmer, 1B, American Heritage HS (FL)
9. Kyle Skipworth, C, Patriot HS (CA)
10. Tanner Scheppers, RHP, Fresno State
11. Aaron Hicks, RHP/OF, Wilson HS (CA)
12. Yonder Alonso, 1B, Miami
13. Shooter Hunt, RHP, Tulane
14. Tim Melville, RHP, Wentzville HS (MO)
15. Brett Wallace, 3B, Arizona State

http://baseballmastermind.com/baseball/mlb-amateur-draft-2008-draft-board-pedro-alvarez-profile/

hat-tip BBTF

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by The Wizard on May 27, 2008 12:47 PM CDT reply actions  

Saberscouting's Top-25

6. Justin Smoak, 1B, South Carolina
Bio: 6′4, 215, Bats B, Throws L, 21 years old

The Skinny: Aside from Pedro Alvarez, Smoak may be the most potent bat in this draft class. To go along with tremendous upside at the plate, the switch hitting first baseman also is a plus defender at first base with a good arm. He also has raked for three years at South Carolina and in the Cape Cod League after his freshman year, but had some trouble making contact with Team USA after his sophomore year. Smoak displays plus power to all fields and projects as a relatively safe power bat, especially after yet another big year for the Gamecocks.

Pros: Bat, Power, Defense
Cons: Can Only Play 1B

http://www.saberscouting.com/drafttop100/

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by The Wizard on May 27, 2008 4:44 PM CDT reply actions  

They call him a switch-hitting Konerko

I think that that would be a downside. I compare him to Lance Berkman/Mark Teixiera.

I think most of those comparisons are off. Probably better to leave out comparisons until you have a better idea of what they’ll be like.

Regardless, I hope we can get him. They are in love with Wallace, though.

by Daniel Berlyn on May 27, 2008 4:52 PM CDT reply actions  

mayo's 5/28 mock draft
1. Tampa Bay Rays: Tim Beckham, SS, Griffin HS, Griffin, Ga.

2. Pittsburgh Pirates: Pedro Alvarez, 3B, Vanderbilt

3. Kansas City Royals: Eric Hosmer, 1B, American Heritage HS, Plantation, Fla.

4. Baltimore Orioles: Brian Matusz, LHP, University of San Diego

5. San Francisco Giants: Buster Posey, C, Florida State

6. Florida Marlins: Kyle Skipworth, C, Patriot HS, Riverside, Calif.

7. Cincinnati Reds: Yonder Alonso, 1B, University of Miami

8. Chicago White Sox: Gordon Beckham, SS, University of Georgia

They’d have interest in Alonso if the Reds don’t take him and they might have interest in Skipworth if he’s around. ASU’s Brett Wallace still gets mentioned occasionally here, but G-Beck still makes the most sense in this slot.

9. Washington Nationals: Justin Smoak, 1B, University of South Carolina

10. Houston Astros: Aaron Crow, RHP, University of Missouri

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080528&content_id=2786402&vkey=draft2008&fext=.jsp

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by The Wizard on May 28, 2008 2:44 PM CDT reply actions  

not even a smoak MENTION in the analysis?

"Let's assume that Kenny is still convinced that the White Sox can compete in 2008, which seems to be a good assumption. Apparently, Kenny thinks that Rowand would be a better acquisition than (Andruw) Jones to compete in 2008. My main point is that Kenny is a moron and this proves it."

by Toonderstrook on May 28, 2008 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

devastating!

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by The Wizard on May 28, 2008 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd be

happy with any of those top 10 players except Skipworth (high school catchers even riskier than high school pitchers).

by bhoov on May 28, 2008 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

TINSTAAHSCP.

"Let's assume that Kenny is still convinced that the White Sox can compete in 2008, which seems to be a good assumption. Apparently, Kenny thinks that Rowand would be a better acquisition than (Andruw) Jones to compete in 2008. My main point is that Kenny is a moron and this proves it."

by Toonderstrook on May 28, 2008 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

debunked

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=5152

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by larry on May 29, 2008 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

I.Want.Justin.Smoak.
Draft Rule #12: College first basemen are the most valuable group of draft picks by an enormous margin. College first basemen selected in the first round have gone on to have Hall of Fame-caliber careers approximately one-third of the time.

Over the course of the entire draft study, college first basemen have returned a ridiculous +144% in draft value. Thirteen first basemen were selected in the first 30 picks between 1984 and 1999, including Frank Thomas, Mark McGwire, Will Clark, Todd Helton, and Lance Berkman. John Olerud was a first-round talent who slipped to the third round because he was considered a tough sign.

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by The Wizard on May 29, 2008 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

mayo
The Chicago White Sox, while looking hard at some of the corner infield power bats - namely Justin Smoak or Yonder Alonso - are also looking at a power arm. Word has it that GM Kenny Williams is in Stillwater, Oklahoma this weekend for the regional hosted by Oklahoma State. At that regional is Texas Christian University, whose closer is power-armed Andrew Cashner, the fast-rising reliever who’s been hitting the upper 90s as a short man, but has the size and delivery to make many think he can be a frontline starter.
http://draft.mlblogs.com/archives/2008/05/the_rumor_mill.html

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by The Wizard on May 29, 2008 9:01 PM CDT reply actions  

ugh

...I guess that wasn’t informative…ummm.. how about I JUST.CAN.NOT. believe the Sox would select a college closer over a position player at #8. There’s a reasonable chance that a college hitter with a good track record is available and sweet josephine that’s what the Sox should pick. I’m not the excited by the idea of choosing Wallace, but he’d be preferable to trying to convert a college closer to a starter in my mind. By far.

by hitlesswonder on May 29, 2008 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

they aren't going to select a reliever at #8.

notice how all the “rumor” does is mention that KW is in one place and there happens to be a pitcher there as well that this guy who wrote this obviously wants to talk about. there are only about another 30 other players there that could also have been mentioned.

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by larry on May 30, 2008 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Was about to post the same thing

I dunno if Smoakie’s gonna be there guys. I just don’t know.

Let’s not get our hopes up too high.

by Daniel Berlyn on May 29, 2008 9:04 PM CDT reply actions  

don't say stuff like that at night. wiz won't sleep.

after 52 games this century: '08: up 2, '07: down 7.5, '06: down 1.5, '05: up 5, '04: up 2, '03: down 7.5, '02: down 2, '01: down 12.5, '00: up 1.5

by Toonderstrook on May 29, 2008 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOL!

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by The Wizard on May 29, 2008 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good news, possibly.

From Baseball America’s most recent draft tracker (May 29th):

15. Brett Wallace 1b/3b Arizona State
Rumors of him going No. 8 to the White Sox have died down, but his bat hasn’t as he neared another Pac-10 triple crown.

I wouldn’t hate a pick of Wallace like most of you seem to but there will definately be better players available than him.

by The Big Hurt on May 29, 2008 10:00 PM CDT reply actions  

wiz, about the mock draft tomorrow

i’m going to be available from noon until about 1:15 but will have to duck out for a couple hours after that. it seems pretty unlikely that we’d get to the sox’ second pick in a litte over an hour so if you want to pow-wow about that a little let’s do that. see my “deep” draft links i posted above on the 18th. but you can have the final say on who the sox go with there. hopefully i’d be back online for at least the final pick.

do you (or anyone else) have any issues with the 8 names i posted a few days ago? i don’t think my thinking has changed.

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I would sell Rays 89 til my fucking face caved in - ballyb

by larry on May 30, 2008 9:17 AM CDT reply actions  

ok

do you (or anyone else) have any issues with the 8 names i posted a few days ago? i don’t think my thinking has changed.

your top-8 seems ok, I’d just add hosmer (it’s not like we have to pay him!)

you can have the final say on who the sox go with there

will anyone else help here boys? the first 4 rounds are 142 picks
BA published a top-200; I can use that too, any other deep lists?

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by The Wizard on May 30, 2008 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

What # is the Sox second pick again?

I doubt he’d slip that far in a mock, but there’s a chance that Danks slides in real life. He’ll probably go back to school if he slides passed the second, but I think the Sox are the one team that could coax him into the pros with that late of a pick.

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on May 30, 2008 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

86

and i certainly think there’s a strong possibility the other danks would be there then. the mock draft, otoh. well, i think the voting on that site had him going at pick 20 or something ridiculous like that.

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by larry on May 30, 2008 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Honestly

it would be a great pick at that slot… An athletic true CFer with good on-base skills, who, like sweeney, may eventually start to show the power potential he once promised…

Interestingly, I was just looking at the BA list that Wiz linked. There’s a LH OF from Sweeney’s HS… 6’3” 180 lbs….. Let’s get him too ;)

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by The Cheat on May 30, 2008 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Prospect Profile: Pedro Alvarez

http://www.saberscouting.com/2008/05/29/pedroalvarezprofile/

btw, here’s brett wallace’s blog: 2008 Draft Prospect Blog
ASU star Brett Wallace gives us the skinny from a potential draftee’s perspective on the 2008 First-Year Player Draft.

http://08draft.mlblogs.com/

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by The Wizard on May 30, 2008 12:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Fine Tuning A 5-Tool Player - Scouting Tim Beckham

http://www.baseball-intellect.com/Articles/fine-tuning-tim-beckham.html

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by The Wizard on May 30, 2008 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

White Sox to select SS/3B Henry Presswood with their first pick

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080529&content_id=2793458&vkey=news_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws

this draft cheapness has gone too damn far…

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by The Wizard on May 30, 2008 2:23 PM CDT reply actions  

damn,

I wanted Tiger Woods, maybe the Wu Tang Clan

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by The Cheat on May 30, 2008 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

boy, the talent pool must be real thin if this guy is going at #8.

The Rays win 80 games and will ship you your favorite 6 pack or bottle of reasonable wine -Tdogg

I would sell Rays 89 til my fucking face caved in - ballyb

by larry on May 30, 2008 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

wu tang is not getting along...

rza got too cerebral on the last record for killah and chef’s tastes. not to mention that wtc isn’t really wtc without big baby jesus.

may 1, 2008 quote of the day: "get owens on the field immediatly… swish can take quintens role…"

by Toonderstrook on May 30, 2008 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah...

Old Dirty would’ve been a great value pick at eight—great skillz with the mic, impeccable character…

by CWSKeith on May 30, 2008 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

definitely a guy you'd pay to watch play.

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by Toonderstrook on May 30, 2008 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

white sox mock draft pikcks
8) Kyle Skipworth, C, California HS [stats]
86) Jordan Danks, OF, Texas [2008 stats]
120) Tim Fedroff, OF, UNC [2008 stats]
150) Matt Daly, RHP, Hawaii [stats]

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by The Wizard on May 31, 2008 7:17 PM CDT reply actions  

Anybody seen other

new mock drafts? By the way, i’m with Cheat, I would have taken Matusz.

by bhoov on Jun 2, 2008 11:34 AM CDT reply actions  

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