Did it get cold on Tax Day?
by The Cheat on May 2, 2008 12:42 AM CDT
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Hi. Remember me? I used to write terrible things about wonderful people in this space.
I was going to write a post recapping the month of April, but once I started to delve into the offensive numbers over the past couple of weeks, I thought it deserved its own post.
The Sox offense still sits near the top of the league in runs scored and R/G, but they've recently been unable to produce the big innings we began to get used to in the first two weeks. Heck, they've been unable to get the key hit and produce many 1-run innings lately. So I decided to jump into the numbers using the essentially arbitrary day of April 15th as a pivot point.
What happened? As a team, the Sox hit .249/.345/.436 in the season's first 2+ weeks, and have hit .236/.325/.395 since. That's a marked decline, but it's compounded when you dig deeper.- Against lefties: .250/.373/.455 before Tax Day, .184/.292/.276 after
- Sox right-handed hitters: .243/.340/.411 before Tax Day, .233/.308/.387 after. This split is quite troubling when you realize that Carlos Quentin has hit .356/.500/.778 since that arbitrary date. It should also be no surprise that he's only managed 8 RBIs over that stretch, as AJ Pierzynski has posted a .224/.255/.306 line in front of him.
- Bases Loaded: (Extremely small sample size warning) .600/.647/1.400 before Tax Day, .077/.263/.077 after. That .263 OBP is nearly all Quentin getting HBP.
- RISP: .309/.387/.553 before Tax Day, .257/.377/.390 after. It's interesting to me that the OBP is nearly the same. They've had nearly the same number of big inning opportunities, they've just been terribly unsuccessful at cashing in their chips. If the Sox didn't have a similarly dismal RISP hitting record last season, I'd actually take the high OBP and number of run-scoring opportunities as a good thing.
The offense isn't clicking right now. It hasn't really hummed since July '06. I'd be on Greg Walker Job Watch again if I wasn't convinced he has a renewable contract until 2012 like the rest of the staff.
Perhaps the best illustration of why there's not reason to panic... yet. Over the last week, the White Sox player with the most hits (other than Quentin) is... Brian Anderson. The rest of the offense, if healthy --which is key-- will not continue to hit for such a low average.
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If all the peripherals are in line
and I’m pretty sure they still are, then I’m prepared to wait out the slump. This team has a number of very good hitters.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
by colintj on May 2, 2008 12:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
but have you considered freaking out?
i wish someone had told me that sss had replaced rationality with caps lock.
by MarketMaker on May 2, 2008 12:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, but i've been gone most of the last two weeks
when you aren’t confronted with the reality of watching a team suck in front of you, it’s easier to sit back and see the larger view.
i’m not really overly concerned as it stands, but I’m going out to a2 now, so it’s not like I’m going to settle in and watch our boys for a couple of games in a row.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
by colintj on May 2, 2008 1:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'll grant you that it is tougher seeing the big picture when you watch every game
if you’ll join me in thinking it is NOT IMPOSSIBLE OH GOD IVE SWITCHED TO CAPS LOCK TOO!
i wish someone had told me that sss had replaced rationality with caps lock.
by MarketMaker on May 2, 2008 1:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Colin, please explain the hitting peripherals you're alluding to.
And why they’re different than last year.
Therefore, why your not worried
Pitching and defense.
by ballyb on May 2, 2008 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
didn't he do that in a post a few days ago?
no need to comprehensively recap that because it hasn’t changed much. this team has a .258 BABIP. the atrocious team last year had a .278 BABIP for the season. .258 is unsustainably low. predicting BABIP for a team can be tricky but i think it’s safe to say that, over the course of the season, a .290ish BABIP is a reasonable one.
4/29/08: the ginger ninja strikes again
by larry on May 2, 2008 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, thanks Larry.
That’s enough for me.
Pitching and defense.
by ballyb on May 2, 2008 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My biggest concern
Is wasting these great outings by the starting rotation. The pessimist in me thinks we’ll need them to get into the 90+ wins we’ll need to get into the playoffs.
Show mercy. I get to watch the Rangers.
by Tim from Texas on May 2, 2008 3:20 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Great avatar, Tim.
I took the "under".
by winningugly on May 2, 2008 7:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you
Show mercy. I get to watch the Rangers.
by Tim from Texas on May 2, 2008 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unrelated...
But did anyone hear about this?
“CF Nick Swisher and manager Ozzie Guillen were shown during Wednesday’s broadcast taking turns talking to one of Swisher’s bats. “He was trying to get me going again,” Swisher said of the bizarre practice. Guillen’s explanation: “I was telling the bat that it was getting me fired.”“
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/7435/news
Ozzie talking to bats? Hah! Insane.
Apologize if this has already been posted.
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."
by Shoeless In SC on May 2, 2008 9:09 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
see now this is a fun post
thank you shoeless rythm should take notes. and take that 12 inch dick out of his ass.
by Where Triples Go to Die on May 2, 2008 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If that's a shot at me
you should really learn how to spell, it’s rhythm. And, as I said in a previous post, you should stop projecting.
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.
by rhythm on May 2, 2008 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this offense
did not suck in the 13 games played up to and including tax day. they averaged 5.77 runs per game (5.33, excluding the 2 highest and 2 lowest).
THIS OFFENSE HAS GONE INTO THE SEWER IN THE 13 DAYS POST TAX DAY – 4.31 RUNS PER GAME (4.33, EXCLUDING THE 2 HIGHEST AND 2 LOWEST).
THAT’ A DROP OF 1+ RUNS PER GAME.
**
CAPS USED WHERE EMPHASIS NEEDED.
BOLD CAPS USED WHERE EMPHASIS IS REALLY FUCKING NEEDED
Pitching and defense.
by ballyb on May 2, 2008 9:23 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Why is everyone panicking?
They are slumping. It is May 1st!
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on May 2, 2008 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, didn't you get the memo?
for one, YOU NEED TO START USING CAPS LOCK CAUSE THAT’S HOW REAL MEN WRITE, AND FOR TWO, IT’S TIME TO START FREAKING OUT. THE SOX OFFENSE IS SHIT, WE’RE ALL GONNA DIE! AARRRGGGGHHH!!!!
8====o (to indicate sarcasm as eGus suggested)Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.
by rhythm on May 2, 2008 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
HEY NICE PICTURE OF YOURSELF
8====o
by Where Triples Go to Die on May 2, 2008 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am worried
and worried big time. Two years in a row of this miserable hitting is showing to me something is not right. I was waiting for someone to bring the Greg Walker into the conversation again. Last year I didn’t blame him a single bit, but if this continues maybe we do need a change in the hitting coach… I mean common, we have a smart lineup, these guys have brains… maybe that’s the problem?
by LT_sox_fan on May 2, 2008 9:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I love how everyone blames the hitting coach...
Come on people. These guys are professional hitters, and the focus should be placed on them. Not the hitting coach. Sure, if the offense continues to suck, then he might get fired, KW will bring in someone new, and the offense might continue to suck.
Greg Walker is not taking hacks at the plate.
I don’t think there is any reason to panic. When your three best offensive players (Thome, Konerko, and Swish) are all slumping at the same time, the team is going to struggle. History shows us that they will come around, and the offense will be fine.
"You might be impressed with your analysis, but I am not. Stop wasting my time." - Chris De Luca
by BoKnows on May 2, 2008 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thome isn't slumping...
not any more. And Konerko’s showing signs of breaking out of it.
Swisher hasn’t been good, though, except for drawing a bunch of walks (which is good from a leadoff hitter, but he hasn’t been his normal self on offense). Pierzynski, Dye and Crede have crashed back to earth, and Cabrera and Uribe haven’t done anything all season.
Quentin has been great, of course.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on May 2, 2008 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thome's not slumping?
He’s 4/20 in his last 20 ABs with no HRs and he’s 19/87 in the last month. That’s the definition of a slump man.
"You might be impressed with your analysis, but I am not. Stop wasting my time." - Chris De Luca
by BoKnows on May 2, 2008 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Going 4-for-20...
isn’t terrible, and two of those hits have gone for extra bases. He’s also walking a lot – he’s seeing the ball much better.
Over the last two weeks, Thome is batting .300/.472/.600. He’s doing fine.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on May 2, 2008 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't use at-bats. use plate appearances. one of thome's major values is his abiity to walk. using at-bats completely ignores that.
4/29/08: the ginger ninja strikes again
by larry on May 2, 2008 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fine, look at his OPS
.789 for the month of April. For Thome, that’s a slump.
You will admit it before the day is over JRE. Thome is in a slump.
"You might be impressed with your analysis, but I am not. Stop wasting my time." - Chris De Luca
by BoKnows on May 2, 2008 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was in a slump...
two weeks ago, but it looks like he’s broken out of it.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on May 2, 2008 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
.466 OBP since 4/16.
Pitching and defense.
by ballyb on May 2, 2008 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
awful, just awful
4/29/08: the ginger ninja strikes again
by larry on May 2, 2008 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eff that, what's he doing tomorrow?
THAT would be interesting information.
I took the "under".
by winningugly on May 2, 2008 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not panicking, and
indeed, Walker is not swinging the bat, but he must be accountable at some point. If the answer is to just wait until hitters start hitting, and if he isn’t held accountable when the offense isnt producing, then why do we even have a hitting coach?
Mosi Tatupu! Mosi Tatupu!
by Nordhagen on May 2, 2008 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that he should be held accountable, just like everyone else on the team.
But the notion that the offense will magically turn around if we fire the hitting coach is ridiculous.
"You might be impressed with your analysis, but I am not. Stop wasting my time." - Chris De Luca
by BoKnows on May 2, 2008 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
Last year we didn’t score because we had black holes at 2B, LF and CF. For two months we had a broken Crede, then we had a rookie (Fields) who took a little while to come around, and Dye was also hurt.
This year we have one blackhole at 2B and that is about it.
They will come around…be patient.
We don’t have the fire power of the Indians and Tigers and probably have no chance of keeping up with those teams over the length of the season. We are about a .500 club.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on May 2, 2008 10:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If the hittig "comes around,"
and the pitching stays the same or regresses marginally, then we should be much better than a .500 team.
Pitching and defense.
by ballyb on May 2, 2008 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But haven't we been beating that drum
For a season and a half (not including this one).
by Brush Back on May 2, 2008 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure
If the pitching stays the same or marginally regresses….but the starters won’t stay this hot and the relievers worry me.
....I think I said 82 wins and I’m sticking with it.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on May 2, 2008 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We also have a black hole
at SS until further notice.
by Grinder in Training on May 2, 2008 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have more
Confidence in OC breaking out than Uribe.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on May 2, 2008 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't.
Cabrera is mediocre at best.
Every day, that guy reminds me more and more of Royce Clayton.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on May 2, 2008 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
HUH?!
No way.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on May 2, 2008 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But he's a gold glover
and Juan can carry a team when he gets hungry, errr hot
by Brush Back on May 2, 2008 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so let's recap. uribe > cabrera = clayton
good one, jer.
4/29/08: the ginger ninja strikes again
by larry on May 2, 2008 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't say that Uribe...
was better than Cabrera.
Nor did I say that Cabrera = Clayton. I said Cabrera reminds me of Clayton.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on May 2, 2008 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes you did
In so many words.
I said “I have more confidence in OC breaking out than Uribe.”
You said “I don’t”
You said “Cabrera is mediocre at best, reminds you of Royce Clayton”
To sum up – Uribe>Cabrera=Clayton
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on May 2, 2008 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how about this notation?
Uribe > Cabrera ~= Clayton
Fair?
Mosi Tatupu! Mosi Tatupu!
by Nordhagen on May 2, 2008 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually, I think its
Cabrera greater than Uribe dagger pipe pipe umlaut caret Alan Bannister dot com.
Mosi Tatupu! Mosi Tatupu!
by Nordhagen on May 2, 2008 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
you did say you had more confidence in uribe breaking out than cabrera. good one, jer.
4/29/08: the ginger ninja strikes again
by larry on May 2, 2008 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No...
I said I had no more confidence in Cabrera breaking out.
I think they’re both bad.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on May 2, 2008 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so uribe = cabrera
another good one, jer.
4/29/08: the ginger ninja strikes again
by larry on May 2, 2008 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No...
Chances of a Cabrera breakout = chances of a Uribe breakout.
Cabrera will probably finish with better numbers than Uribe, but he already has better numbers than Uribe.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on May 2, 2008 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sox fans really hate average players, don't they?
just can’t abide a jon garland or orlando cabrera.
4/29/08: the ginger ninja strikes again
by larry on May 2, 2008 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meh.
As long as he’s gone after 2008, I can live with a year of Orlando Cabrera. Although I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again – he shouldn’t be batting near the top of the order.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on May 2, 2008 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
of course
average players should not be getting the second most plate appearances on a team.
4/29/08: the ginger ninja strikes again
by larry on May 2, 2008 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but that's not orlando's fault
4/29/08: the ginger ninja strikes again
by larry on May 2, 2008 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we need him to remain a type-A FA after this year
and PAs are one of the factors elias uses in its calculation I think
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on May 2, 2008 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He hasn't been that average though.
His fielding has been worse then what we are used to and his hitting has been pretty awful.
by Grinder in Training on May 2, 2008 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks, grinder. i'll remember to let you know when i, or anyone else, should care about small sample sizes.
4/29/08: the ginger ninja strikes again
by larry on May 2, 2008 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another SAAV by Larry
A new stat. SAAV = self appointed arbiter of validity
Show mercy. I get to watch the Rangers.
by Tim from Texas on May 2, 2008 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
self appointed?
ridiculous. everyone with a functioning brain knows not to judge a player based on a single month. i didn’t come up with that. a whole heck of a lot smarter people than me did and it’s backed with more than ample evidence of its validity.
one of the reasons i chose the garland-cabrera comparison, other than the obvious connection between the two, is because of the ludicrous posts on this site about garland over the first couple months of the 2006 season.
4/29/08: the ginger ninja strikes again
by larry on May 2, 2008 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes - but
I have 2 brains… both of which are “like new” and and have hardly been used.
by Brush Back on May 2, 2008 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm trying to be optimistic...
and assuming that he’ll improve a bit as the season progresses and be overall, an average ballplayer.
I hope so, anyway – if he sucks all year, then the Sox won’t offer him arbitration and they wont get the draft pick(s).
by The Jerry Royster Experience on May 2, 2008 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not concerned about his hitting
that will come around (I hope). What I’m really surprised by is how (sub)mediocre his arm is and his limited range. Say what you want about sample sizes, but that ain’t gonna change. On top of that I thought he was a heady ballplayer, but he’s made a lot of mental errors out there – of the not concentrating or just plain stupid variety. Maybe his brain is numb from the April cold. The cold, oh the cold!
I’m with you Jer, I just want him to get his hitting together so he stays Type A and walks at the end of the year and we get the picks. I think they’ve seen enough to not offer him an extension, that danger has passed.
"The little things are always in my mind," he said. "I always like to move the guy over, I like to bunt."
by ChicagoPete on May 2, 2008 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Check this out:
Cabrera~=Uribe….in your words, correct? Or maybe even slightly better?
Well, guess who the Sox resigned this past offseason? Uribe
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on May 2, 2008 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uribe SS defense >Cabrera SS defense, Cabrera bat > Uribe bat
"The little things are always in my mind," he said. "I always like to move the guy over, I like to bunt."
by ChicagoPete on May 2, 2008 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What I am saying is
that you think we are out of the woods and not going to resign Cabrera because of his play in the first 25-games….well Uribe is worse and we resigned him.
We are not out of the Woods.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on May 2, 2008 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oooooo, that's scary - I didn't think of that.
That’s a major buzzkiller. But we did have an option on Uribe, so that weighed in somewhat. But then OCab is offset by you needing to offer him arb to get the picks. Just hope he doesn’t suck offensively all year, then we’re screwed.
Reading the tea leaves there is one good sign though – the Hawk hasn’t been slobbering all over him. Maybe KW has told him to ease off on the fluffing.
"The little things are always in my mind," he said. "I always like to move the guy over, I like to bunt."
by ChicagoPete on May 2, 2008 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
presumably Cabrera won’t sign a 1 year, $5 million extension. There’s a big difference between not non-tendering a player and giving a potential free agent a payday.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on May 2, 2008 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if he has as poor a year as some people seem to think he's going to have
one might be concerned that, if offered arbitration, he’d take it.
4/29/08: the ginger ninja strikes again
by larry on May 2, 2008 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm hoping...
that both Cabrera and Uribe are gone in 2009.
In an ideal world, Alexei Ramirez figures things out in AAA and becomes the starting shortstop next year.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on May 2, 2008 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well that would be great
if someone figures it out that we already have signed on the ballclub, can play better D and O, and saves the team money.
But, what’s to say that will happen. Ramirez looks really raw and doesn’t look like an everyday ballplayer.
What are our options after that???
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on May 2, 2008 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
After that...
the Sox go looking on the market.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on May 2, 2008 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you look at the FA market
for SS’s next year? Nobody.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on May 2, 2008 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they need to, then...
they make a trade.
The Sox are a long way from that bridge, though. We’ll probably have a better idea as to what the options are six months from now. I was just positing an early ideal situation.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on May 2, 2008 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well that is scary then
We don’t have anyone to trade. Like me in Vegas (usually) – we’re tapped out.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on May 2, 2008 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You sure you're
not an attorney?
Talking in circles, getting me dizzy.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on May 2, 2008 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's the slippery witness
i’m the attorney trying to nail down his position. witnesses often like to speak in vague, fuzzy terms like jer was.
4/29/08: the ginger ninja strikes again
by larry on May 2, 2008 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
put another way.
witnesses often like to say things they mean, and unfortunately the things the witness means to say aren’t helpful or emphatic enough for an attorney to make a record. so then we “try to nail down the witness’s position” so we can skewer him with it later when he (not inconsistently) says what he really means again.
Repeat after me: reading comprehension, even a little bit of thought before posting, and basic research are not signs of weakness.
by Toonderstrook on May 2, 2008 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm doing no such thing.
I said what I meant. You and larry were the ones projecting what I meant onto that.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on May 2, 2008 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now Uribe "breaking out" would be?
.605 OPS?
Pitching and defense.
by ballyb on May 2, 2008 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i hope they break out of the slump
but the uneasy feeling that they won’t break out of the slum is greater when you consider 2007
by The Scoper on May 2, 2008 10:57 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Big picture guys
I’m actually excited about the offensive performance thus far. When you rank 3rd in the AL in runs/g and you have a .258 BABIP, well that’s a good thing. Ups and downs are part of the game. They’ll be fine. We had 4 big holes last year: 3B, SS, LF, CF. With the emergence of CQ and the resurgence of JC and the signing of Swish we addressed 3 of those with probable 5 win upgrades. I feel quite confident we will be in the top 5 in runs in the AL.
I’m more concerned about the pitching. Floyd has looked much better on TV, but the numbers suggest he’s doing it with mirrors. Same for the Count. Buerhle will be better, Vazquez is fine and I think Danks has taken a step forward. But Jose and Floyd concern me. Everytime they pitch I say to myself: “This is the start where they start to unravel”. If they don’t unravel, I think we’re on our way to the playoffs.
by bhoov on May 2, 2008 11:31 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I gotta agree with ya, I love this offense - if they stay healthy we'll be raking this summer
"The little things are always in my mind," he said. "I always like to move the guy over, I like to bunt."
by ChicagoPete on May 2, 2008 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if I like it - I know I don't dislike it
‘07 has made me paranoid however – everytime there is a slight reminder of it, it just brings back bad memories and I start to put this team in its place – even though its not the same team.
by Brush Back on May 2, 2008 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also big picture:
No team in the AL has fewer losses than we do.
Everything is fine.
Just fine, dammit.
by ReservoirDog on May 2, 2008 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"The taxes...
the finger thing means the taxes!”
Updating the “Carlos Quentin is fucking amazing” tracker, his BABIP is still only .290. Was there a better offensive player in all of baseball during April? A quick-and-dirty check of some of the usual suspects… Pujols was better, Utley was better—anybody in the AL, though? I’m not seeing anyone.
by CWSKeith on May 2, 2008 11:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Josh Hamilton
is probably the only guy for whom you could really make a decent argument, and it would rest heavily on his 32 RBI, which of course are opportunity dependent.
is there a site that calculates RBI percentage? it would simply be the number of RBIs divided by the total number of men on base in all of a player’s plate appearances. i don’t think it would have any predictive value, i’d just be interested to see it.
by Ryno on May 2, 2008 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.baseballmusings.com/archives/008676.php
2008 RBI Percentage Leadears (min. 50 at-bats w/ Runners on base)
AIM: SouthSideCheat
by The Cheat on May 2, 2008 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
VORP says manny, kotchman, hamilton, and carlos guillen
4/29/08: the ginger ninja strikes again
by larry on May 2, 2008 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not bad company,
but he’s not very fast.
Pitching and defense.
by ballyb on May 2, 2008 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and too few singles
4/29/08: the ginger ninja strikes again
by larry on May 2, 2008 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
bhoov, always the cool head, unemotional
Keep it comin’, sir. And I haven’t seen anything yet.
But for history buffs, this is interesting:
CREDE & QUENTIN ALONE ATOP THE A.L. HOME RUN LIST
Here’s one that slipped through the cracks last night. But White Sox fans waited 94 years for this to happen, so what’s one more day? On Wednesday night, Carlos Quentin homered to tie Joe Crede for the AL lead (7). The last time White Sox players ranked first and second in the league outright-that is, no other players tied-was four days into the 1914 season. As you’ll recall, on April 17, 1914 Chisox teammates Shano Collins and Harry Lord hit the first homers of the AL season. The next day, Sam Crawford of the Tigers joined them.
I took the "under".
by winningugly on May 2, 2008 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you have a good memory wu!
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on May 2, 2008 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
boy, i tell ya, dj
that harry lord – hee, hee – nobody. and i mean nobody. hit the spitball from a lefty with a three-quarters delivery in the first game of a doubleheader better than harry. nobody.
4/29/08: the ginger ninja strikes again
by larry on May 2, 2008 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He had a helluva shine ball, too.
No one could throw the shineball like the Lord.
I took the "under".
by winningugly on May 2, 2008 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
1 month down.
http://www.southsidesox.com/2008/3/21/201422/497
I couldnt find the thread where we predicted April records. Anyone remember where it is?
by Tdogg on May 2, 2008 1:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Anyone have more critical anaylsis
Of the Indians and Tigers first month? Besides the standard Tigers will score runs and pitching sucks, Indians pitching deeper etc….
Someone’s post yesterday on May schedules was pretty good in maybe setting expectations for May 31st (A glorious birthday by the way).
by Tdogg on May 2, 2008 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hot dogs
I like them…they are awesome…your thoughts?
How do you like your hot dog?
1.Chicago Style
2.mustard and sauerkraut (my parents are NYs, thats how they raised me…damn yankee fans, although the damn yankees are a good band)
3. Any other hot dog…
I like hot dogs…do you?
If you were a hot dog, would you eat yourself? Cuz I know I would
Ground ball to first, and the White Sox have won the Pennant!
by beanohatesthecubs on May 2, 2008 1:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
charred
i like the char dogs at gold coast dogs, and in general i like my dogs charred almost black, with grilled onions, mustard, and (ultimate sacrilege) ketchup. i add ketcup to the chicago style dog as well. yes, i know, i’m a blaspheming heathen. sue me, i love ketchup. mustard and kraut i reserve for brats.
by Ryno on May 2, 2008 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
another heathen here
i crave ketchup and I put it on hot dogs. A serious jones. When I’m down to the bottom of a potato chip bag, I just pour ketchup on all the chip dust, stir it up, and eat it with a spoon. Fricking heaven in a bag.
Mosi Tatupu! Mosi Tatupu!
by Nordhagen on May 2, 2008 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Naztee!
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.
by rhythm on May 2, 2008 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's all good
Basic: Mustard and onions (raw or grilled)
When available: cucumber, relish, tomato and a pinch of celery salt; sport peppers and pickle on the side
"We're gonna bring it all day, everyday...we're gonna keep grinding it out." - Nick Swisher (4/1/08)
by tailgater on May 2, 2008 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You ever stick a penny in catsup (ketchup?)
and watch the tarnish immediately wash away? Those are your innards, boy! You are your next catsup orgy away from spending a Roy Hobbs-ian week in your local hospital.
Some mistakes we keep paying for…
I took the "under".
by winningugly on May 2, 2008 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same thing happens if you put it in regular Coke
That’s why I stick with beer.
"We're gonna bring it all day, everyday...we're gonna keep grinding it out." - Nick Swisher (4/1/08)
by tailgater on May 2, 2008 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like my hot dogs like i like my friends, jewish style
by whitesoxmatt on May 2, 2008 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You remove the skin?
"We're gonna bring it all day, everyday...we're gonna keep grinding it out." - Nick Swisher (4/1/08)
by tailgater on May 2, 2008 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where's MarketMaker when you need him?
ba-zing!!
by Ryno on May 2, 2008 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He only takes tips!
BWAHAHAHA! Oy!
I took the "under".
by winningugly on May 2, 2008 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i love
Kosher dogs….mmhmmm I miss dollar dog thursdays or 2.50 for koshers
Hizaaa Jews
Ground ball to first, and the White Sox have won the Pennant!
by beanohatesthecubs on May 2, 2008 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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