It is, after all, and internet message board. Reader beware.

I’m pretty sure he asked for it to be removed… It was removed almost immediately following the Regier announcement… And reading those comments, he seemed to be doing a Balky Bartokomous dance of joy at the supposed news of Regier’s firing.

As the ‘tubes’ become increasingly Main Stream (name a newspaper or broadcast network without a web presence), “MSM” becomes a little outdated. I believe the ‘preferred’ term at the SportsblogNation parent is “Traditional Media”. Though that’s the beauty of the internets: call it whatever you want!

the google cache has conveniently been ‘disappeared’, there are however other search engine spiders nearly as aggressive as the google spider.

nevermind, the yahoo cache of the posts in question have also disappear. i saved them though, in the event they are needed at some other time.

BE17 clearly knows some (or lots of) stuff, either because he is a sox employee or knows someone who is. however, just like with any organization, the guys who are pretty low on the totem pole, like BE17 has pretty much admitted he his, hear rumors that are filtered through the proverbial game of telephone. he was right about there being a change in the employment status of reiger. the specifics, however, were just a tad, shall we say, less than accurate.

it’s been pretty obvious who and what this guy is from the start: some low level-ish guy who gets off on showing off some of the cool information he has access to and the plaudits he receives from sox fans over at ST for doing so. his “speculation” and opinion is worth more than your average poster. but not much more.

Why can’t you slack like the rest of us?

Maybe as a Fanshot too? I think many will miss it here.
Thx again.

where you don’t really do much to discredit him, only noting that he had a disclaimer (which incidentally I don’t remember), saying buyer beware…

Now you claim to “kno” him. That’s he’s just some kid. Why didn’t you speak up at first? Why not fully out him? I mean if you kno him, just out him. He may very well be acting like a big shot, but so are you with your claims.

2 lolspeak and no punctuation lol.

first it was disclaimer… poster beware.
then it was a friend of yours through the freedom of information act
now it’s a friend of yours through a “family/friend type thing”

I fail to see how you have any more credibility than him

Now read the frickin post to which you’re commenting

His credibility is probably best summed up by noting the contrast between what he posted about Alan Regier and Buddy Bell compared to the official word from the White Sox, which came about 6 hours later. He clearly knew Regier was out as director of player development, and knew Bell would be taking over the job title. But Regier appears to have been reassigned, given more input on the upcoming draft, not fired. Close, but not 100% accurate.

Meanwhile, you continue to argue that he issued some sort of disclaimer…. But he did no such thing. The only disclaimer he issued was that he couldn’t get fired.

I can comment on it – because I am in no danger of losing my job over it because it is public knowledge that simply has not been published yet and I have no loyalties to Dave Wilder & his staff.

Here is the concept of what was going on (and no, this is not something that happens throughout the industry – and the Chicago White Sox did not “find this out and report it to MLB.” It was found out by MLB & reported to the White Sox through arrests & warrants).

Dave Wilder and his staff were in control of California (most of the Western part of the USA), and all Latin American operations (including Cuba, etc.). Wilder signed many (MANY!) latin-americans to rather large contracts (+ $100,000) who had no representation in the latin-countries. Now – for anyone who knows and understands latin scouting – there are almost ZERO players without latin representation (meaning – players in these countries are in academies run by agents from these countries who then sell players off to MLB teams to put in their own academies). Now – when a player has no representation – there is generally a reason, i.e., they’re terrible. Now – what happened was this:

Wilder would find these players and sign them for a large amount of money (as mentioned above) and then take their money as their “agent.” Now – he had to get permission to pass these players off & what he was doing was supplying these players with fake birth cerficates taking as many as 5 years off their age & also supplying them with HGH & steroids (even as they were in MiLB). He was then taking this money and putting it into an off-shore account, taking the maximum amount possible at any given time and washing it through a business he opened up in Arizona that rehabs houses.

Now – taking the large amounts of money is one thing. Well – a MAJOR thing to Jerry Reinsdorf and to the Feds.

Now – here is where the Feds do not care & where we as a staff DO care:
At this point, Wilder and “farm director” Alan Reiger (also involved & under investigation from the FBI) had to “sell” their players to the organization. What does that mean? Well for the last few years – and a bit this year, players who did not have ANY BUSINESS in a professional baseball system were shoved up the system to “justify” the amount of money going on. Wilder & Reiger have a great friend who works for BaseballAmerica and thus why they “push” these players in publications & up into the system (again, to “justify” these large signing bonuses they were actually pocketing themselves). NUMEROUS players have been mentioned in these publications & pushed through the system (Wilder & Reiger were in charge of this since 2005 more or less & thus why such a degradated system is currently in place) & it is going to take a LONG time to fully recover.

Certain players (cough, a 16 year old “phenom SS” according to Wilder & Reiger in BaseballAmerica is actually 20.5 years old & not the player Wilder pushed him up as). The list goes on, and on, and on, and on.

The reason he got caught was because he (Wilder) actually controlled California and started signing players out of California, Washington, Oregon, Arizona & Texas (you can figure out who on your own from the draft) and taking some of their bonuses in an agreement to “over-draft” them and push them to Kenny Williams. Thus, many, many players from out West the last 2 drafts were HIGHLY over-drafted in an agreement to send some money to Wilder and his money washing business in Arizona.

Now – players have been pushed up through the system who don’t even deserve to be playing baseball and they cost a LOT of money and are anywhere from 2-5 years old than originally believed when Wilder & Co. turned them in.

Its not hard to look at 2 things to figure out who: #1 – drafts the last 2 seasons and where players were drafted/and or signed (mostly from Dominican Republic while some from the West Coast), #2 – comparing the “good reports” in BaseballAmerica with these players when they actually had poor, poor, poor seasons relative to age/league, #3 – “overdrafts” who got relatively ‘smaller’ signing bonuses from the MLB draft, and #4 – “BaseballAmerica, etc. – hyped” players from the Dominican Republic/Venezuela/Brazil who were VERY expensive and have done little to nothing in MiLB & are now 2-5 years older and have records of using PEDs while in the Dominican/Venezuelan academies.

After reading this, remember: I can’t be in any trouble stating this (Williams could say it himself – but Wilder is his very close friend), and I warned you that:

“I could tell you all about the entire Dave Wilder situation – but, I don’t think A) ANY of you would believe me, and B ) I highly doubt anyone wants to hear it because it would kill your image of the organization and its’ farm system, and C) It would make you all highly frustrated with what has been going on during the Williams/Wilder era with the farm system & scouting, etc.”

I’m done with you.. Continue your crusade at larger venues like The Big Lead