Q Ball in the Left Center Pocket
by Sherm Lollar on May 25, 2008 10:27 PM CDT
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The Cheat asked me to pinch hit for him in recapping tonight's game, so let's get to it: Carlos Quentin was the White Sox offense tonight, bashing two home runs, including a walkoff home run in the bottom of the ninth, to lead the Sox to a 3-2 win over the Angels at the Cell. Quentin, who was three for three on the night (along with a HBP), drove in the first two Sox runs on a blast to left center in the third inning that scored Alexei Ramirez. The homers were Q's 13th and 14th of the season, which move him into sole possession of the American League lead. Scott Linebrink, who retired the Halos without a hit in relief of Jose Contreras in the ninth, got the win. But Contreras was No Way, Jose of old: eight innings, two runs (on a Gary Matthews, Jr., homer), three hits, 10 strikeouts and no walks, and that doesn't even tell the whole story. His splitter was virtually unhittable. No one even made contact with it through six innings and no one got a hit on it all night. Tonight's performance brought back memories of his seventeen-game winning streak.
Aside from the Matthews homer, the downsides (and who wants to focus on them after a great win like this?) were few and far between. The Sox didn't hit all that well, garnering only six hits, but that was really a function of John Lackey being superb, except when facing Quentin. Orlando Cabrera did get thrown out trying to stretch a double into a triple when the ball got away from Sean Rodriguez on the relay. But really, that's about it.
The win allows the Sox to maintain their 2.5 game lead on the second-placee Twinkies, who also won today, and it reduces their Magic Number to 111. Check out White Sox Magic Number Update to keep track of the Sox progress on their march to the A.L. Central crown.)
Speaking of numbers, here's a little feature we like to call "We do the math, so you don't have to":
- The all-time record against the Angels is all-square at 329-329
- The Sox are now 5-2 in games decided in the last at bat
- They're 4-0 when tied after the eigth inning
- The team is 23-8 when getting a quality start
- Tonight's win improves the record to 17-12 in errorless games
- The Sox are 24-10 in games when they hit a homer
- The Good Guys are 12-5 in multihomer games
- They're 18-6 when scoring first
- The record is 21-7 when holding the opponent to three runs or fewer
- Finally, the team is 21-4 when outhitting the opposition
Cheat, thanks for letting me pinch hit, and Go Sox!
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contreras trivia...
first start of ten this year in which contreras didn’t give up either 1 or 4 earned runs.
"For those that don't understand stats... that ops is horrifying."
by Toonderstrook on May 25, 2008 10:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
My parent's anniversary was today
But no celebration of marital bliss could prevent me from screaming “Holy crap Q!” in the middle of a restaurant.
Rusty Longley v 2.0
by Ozzie Montana on May 25, 2008 10:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think it was Kotchman who made contact with the fork before the 7th
He had to throw his bat though
by Daniel Berlyn on May 25, 2008 10:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
TY for the recap
Quentin is just unreal. Every time he swings through a fastball or pops up a breaking ball I thing it’s just a fluke. And then he proves me right later, which is awesome.
Lackey hung a bad pitch (he said it was a 2 seamer, but it looked more like a horrible, horrible slider) and Q just knocked the hell out of it.
Q has an excellent eye, which allows him to get ahead in the count. When the pitcher has to throw him strikes it’s advantage Q as he can hit fastballs as well as off speed pitches.
Simply awesome to watch right now.
by madvillian on May 25, 2008 11:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
pitch f/x has the walk-off as a 91-mph fastball.
"For those that don't understand stats... that ops is horrifying."
by Toonderstrook on May 25, 2008 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great Pitching
Timely hitting. Consistency is the next step.
Where will the Sox be at Allstar Break?
by phastphil on May 25, 2008 11:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
joe morgan?
i wish someone had told me that sportsnation had replaced rationality with caps lock.
by MarketMaker on May 26, 2008 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm, from the AP recap
Meanwhile, a White Sox team that entered the game with the American League’s second-worst average (.244) provided little support. Perhaps that explains why fans in left-center decided to volley two blowup dolls like beach balls in the eighth inning, only three weeks after the White Sox caused an uproar in Toronto by placing two nude blowup dolls in the clubhouse with bats of the players fanning out around them in a weird slump-busting ritual.
by vince_ on May 25, 2008 11:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sox Fans..
Proving that people get that it was stupid to cause an uproar. Glad our fans aren’t so sensitive they can’t accept a joke and have some fun with it.
by Grinder in Training on May 25, 2008 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was at the game.
Thought the park was electric tonight. Before the blowup doll made its debut, the beachball was out in full force. At one point it bounced out of the stands and into center. Brian happily tossed it back into the bleachers where it continued its bouncing ways.
"I'll bring the awesome." -The 'Swish'
by Hazymania on May 26, 2008 12:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not too picky. I wonder how much the "non-deluxe model" runs?
Pitching, defense and health.
by ballyb on May 26, 2008 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"They're 18-6 when scoring first."
I like this stat.
Pitching, defense and health.
by ballyb on May 25, 2008 11:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Reminds me of the 05 team
I wonder what our record is in 1 run games? Pete Rose always says the team that wins 30 1 run games will win the world series.
"I would rather have a battalion of German soldiers in front of me than a platoon of French soldiers behind me."
by Where Triples Go to Die on May 26, 2008 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, last night on ESPN radio,
During the game, they said “the Angels always have been and currently are great at winning 1 run games. This year they’re 7 – 7 and the White Sox are only 4 – 5.”
Oh, really? What a difference one game makes.
Pitching, defense and health.
by ballyb on May 26, 2008 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pete Rose, if he really did say that, was full of shit...
Since 2004, nine teams have finished with 30 or more regular season wins in games decided by 1 run. Only one, the 2005 White Sox, even played in the World Series.
2004: Oakland (33-19) didn’t make playoffs; LA Dodgers (32-16) lost in NLDS
2005: White Sox (35-19) won World Series; LA Angels (33-26) lost in ALCS; Nationals (30-31) finished in last place in NL East
2006: Oakland (32-22) swept in ALCS; NY Mets (31-16) lost in NLCS; SD Padres (30-22) lost in NLDS
2007: Arizona D’backs (30-22) swept in NLCS
Meanwhile, here are the World Champions’ records in regular season 1-run games in this century.
2000: 20-18
2001: 23-25
2002: 31-22
2003: 30-23
2004: 16-18
2005: 35-19
2006: 22-27
2007: 22-28
"For those that don't understand stats... that ops is horrifying."
by Toonderstrook on May 26, 2008 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you may want to go back a bit further than this century
considering pete rose, if he did ever say such a thing, would have probably been saying it in the 70s or 80s. when he would have been (more) correct.
by larry on May 26, 2008 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't want to. that would take way too much work.
"For those that don't understand stats... that ops is horrifying."
by Toonderstrook on May 26, 2008 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the original post wasn't referring to the 70s and 80s.
just showing that 30 wins in 1 run games ain’t shit today, you know, the era at which the original post was aimed.
"For those that don't understand stats... that ops is horrifying."
by Toonderstrook on May 26, 2008 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
then say WTGTD is full of shit
not pete rose. he’s the one misusing authority.
by larry on May 26, 2008 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
especially since the quote is not what he said it was
apparently it’s “The team that wins two-thirds of its one run games usually wins the pennant.”
by larry on May 26, 2008 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you don't know what pete rose told WTGTD...
"For those that don't understand stats... that ops is horrifying."
by Toonderstrook on May 26, 2008 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no matter.
since 1901, 47 teams have won at least two-thirds of their one run games in a season in which there was a post-season. only 18 of them won the pennant (i.e., appeared in the world series). 38% is not usually.
give pete the benefit of the doubt and use only those seasons prior to his big league career, and the rate is still only 42%.
"For those that don't understand stats... that ops is horrifying."
by Toonderstrook on May 26, 2008 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carlos Quentin
I heard he could solve the world’s energy crisis with a swing of the bat.
by shaftr on May 26, 2008 12:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Smells like Frank Thomas of old....
I can’t think of another young hitter the sox have had with this much potential. If he keeps this up, and the Sox make the playoffs, there is no doubt in my mind he will deserve the MVP award.
by Los Soxos on May 26, 2008 12:48 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Dos Equis and Carlos Q.
He is there new spokesman…. just saw it ….
The Most interesting man in the world….
http://staythirstymyfriends.com/
I am going to ask you one time, and i'm gonna ask you nice. Where the fuck is Ringo bitch.
by ElDiablo on May 26, 2008 1:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I enjoyed reading this recap....
This is now two consecutive successful “stands.”
A 7-3 West Coast swing followed by a 4-2 home set…..
A 4-3 trip to Cleveland and Tampa Bay would be great…...fortunately we are going to miss Lee and Sabathia, but then we will get Shields and Kazmir in TB…..
by stanchar on May 26, 2008 6:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
BTW....
Forecast not great in Cleveland tonight.
by stanchar on May 26, 2008 7:06 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice recap.
Whoever you are: I salute you.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
by colintj on May 26, 2008 7:31 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks.
The Cheat is a hard act to follow.
by Sherm Lollar on May 26, 2008 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you are correct sir
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
by colintj on May 26, 2008 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go Blue. I graduated from the Law School many years ago.
by Sherm Lollar on May 27, 2008 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i might graduate from the undergrad after 4 years + now. you never know!
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
by colintj on May 29, 2008 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Piss on Contreras's wife and what
she did to him last year. I really liked the Q trade in the offseason but never in my wildest dreams did I imagine his abs would be must see tv. The team actually has a very good cheap player!
by Tdogg on May 26, 2008 7:44 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd say Kenny specializes in finding such values
but you simply can’t expect anything this good to happen. Well I can’t anyway.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
by colintj on May 26, 2008 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
come on
everyone trades farliy common A-ball first basemen for guys who lead league in home runs and would have to be thought of in the MVP race. so, i dont think its a surprise. just another day at the office for kenny
It is better to be thought of as a fool, rather than open your mouth to remove all doubt
by whitesoxmatt on May 26, 2008 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're kind of a smart ass there, Matt.
By the way, your sig is a favorite saying of The Jason Czarnecki. Just thought you’d want to know.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
by colintj on May 26, 2008 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i still think the whole divorce thing is overblown
and i still think this was the real problem: “He’s healthier than last year,” Guillen indicated, explaining that Contreras battled back and hamstring pain for much of 2007.
http://whitesoxpride.mlblogs.com/archives/2008/05/sunday_night_lights.html
and i still think he’s a big, big concern to wear down over the course of the season. keep those fingers crossed.
by larry on May 26, 2008 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and toes
"I'll bring the awesome." -The 'Swish'
by Hazymania on May 26, 2008 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, he was making $12 million, so
get over the “divorce thing.”
Seeing the kids regularly isn’t all that important. Call (312) 807-3990 if there’s a problem.
Think automaton, Jose.
Pitching, defense and health.
by ballyb on May 26, 2008 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
like putting words in my mouth?
i’m sure it was a problem i’m also sure his inability to pitch properly was more of the the problem. it doesn’t take much to view video of contreras throwing last year and this year and see the difference.
by larry on May 26, 2008 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think his Freddy Garcia-like heater was the reason he got shellacked last season.
He is throwing 94 MPH this season with a wicked forkball. It’s pretty obvious that the difference between this year and last year is that he actually has his stuff this season. The divorce excuse is lame and I don’t buy it at all.
by SSH2005 on May 26, 2008 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sherm Lollar is excellent, good stats well stated
Sherm was a good catcher during my youth and I truly hope he is reincarnated, however it may not true.
by floridajim on May 26, 2008 9:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sox-Angels
Great job by Contreras and Carlos Quentin. Great National exposure. (By the way, why are the Cubs on ESPN on consecutive nights this week?).
I don't like repeating myself but just a little more hitting PLEASE!by Alan Snipes on May 26, 2008 9:29 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sox aren't alone. From "Halos Heaven."
Mickey Hatcher Why can’t we hit the fucking ball lately?
Write to the Angels front office. Get Tim Salmon’s number 15 retired!
by KingF15h on May 25, 2008 9:18 PM CDT reply reply actions actions 0 recs
*
cant hit the ball
because minor leaguers usually have trouble when facing big league pitching
by BoulderBrian on May 25, 2008 9:23 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions 0 recs
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your funny
Write to the Angels front office. Get Tim Salmon’s number 15 retired!
by KingF15h on May 25, 2008 9:24 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions 0 recs
**
Nothing funny about it
When Scioscia pencils in a 7-8-9 of Mathis-Wood-Rodriguez like he did yesterday, that’s living dangerously. As it was, Wood-Rivera-Rodriguez was bad enough. You can only expect so many "gimme" wins.
Witty .sig goes here.
by scareduck on May 25, 2008 10:08 PM CDT to parent up reply reply
Pitching, defense and health.
by ballyb on May 26, 2008 9:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sorry for the formatting, had asterisks, but they disappeared.
QUESTIONS (underlined, in red).
1. How do I post a small excel (or other) chart in SSS?
2. How do I reference a snippet of posts from another thread (SSS or Halos Heaven or other)?
Much grass.
Pitching, defense and health.
by ballyb on May 26, 2008 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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paste text, highlight text, and click 
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on May 26, 2008 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One nitpick, actually:
The splitter and forkball are two distinct pitches and I’m pretty sure Jose only throws the latter.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
by colintj on May 26, 2008 9:43 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's weird
Broadcasters use it interchangeably. Maybe he did throw more of a splitter at one point, but he doesn’t throw it much faster than Haeger throws his knuckler these days.
Never trust a big butt and a smile.
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on May 26, 2008 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My understanding
Is that while the grips are similar, the action and intent are decidedly different. One is more or less a changeup, the other, like you say, somewhat similar to the knuck. The splitter basically left the game as quickly as it and Bruce Sutter took over after the whole “it could be fucking up arms” theory became widespread. Anecdotally, I threw one for a long time starting around age 10 or so, if you can believe that, and it was never a problem…until HS when I noticed that the less I threw it, the better my arm felt and the harder I could throw.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
by colintj on May 26, 2008 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Forkball-splitter
Full disclosure: I’m a moderately good sophomore pitcher at a medium-size high school in the southwest suburbs. I learned both of these pitches pretty early on (‘03-’04, iirc), so I’ve been throwing them for a good 3-4 years. I’ve also had these on a radar gun in game situations, so I know roughly what the velocity difference is.
(Just trying to clarify a little, this is what I’ve got. Feel free to critique/add what you know)
Forkball
Thrown with a much wider grip than a splitter, comes out of the hand roughly 10-12 mph slower than a fastball/ When thrown properly, it has a very slow sideways spin and appears to knuckle a little before its break. The break itself is similar to a 12-6 curveball, but I’ve also seen it tail similar to a 2-seamer for some pitchers.
Splitter
Thrown with a smaller grip. The thumb is pushed forward at the release point, leading to backspin and a sharp, late downward break, with little to no velocity difference from a fastball.
@colintj- I’ve noticed a small difference when I’m throwing a splitter (3-4 MPH), but it feels like it’d be from a small difference in mechanics just from having to use a very specific motion for a split.
by hugh_102106 on May 27, 2008 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
iirc, SSI171 threw a forkball back in the day
so hopefully he swoops in and helps clarify
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
by colintj on May 26, 2008 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
shitty weather for tonight's game.
http://www.weather.com/weather/hourbyhour/USOH0195?from=36hr_fcstHourLink_undeclared
Pitching, defense and health.
by ballyb on May 26, 2008 10:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
paulie
Paul Konerko missed his third straight game Sunday against the Angels with a sore right hand. Guillen spoke to Konerko before the game and said he expects him to play at some point during the Cleveland series. “He said he feels a lot better,” Guillen said. “He wants to come back tomorrow, but I would rather wait until he takes batting practice.http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080525&content_id=2771791&vkey=news_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on May 26, 2008 12:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
per the score...konerko playing tonight.
"For those that don't understand stats... that ops is horrifying."
by Toonderstrook on May 26, 2008 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
KC ROYALS
are joining the White Sox in the “we went to Toronto and got swept in a 4 game series” club today. Welcome!
by stanchar on May 26, 2008 12:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Phil Rogers talking Sox on espn.com
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=rogers_phil&id=3412775
"I'll bring the awesome." -The 'Swish'
by Hazymania on May 26, 2008 1:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
how do I get people to read my article about the White Sox
Write about the Cubs for the first three paragraphs.
Yeah, that’s the ticket. /Lovitz
AIM: SouthSideCheat
by The Cheat on May 26, 2008 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
All articles about the White Sox
Must have an intro with the mention of Lou Pinella, it just makes perfect sense.
Rusty Longley v 2.0
by Ozzie Montana on May 26, 2008 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
here's a stat from the orioles' broadcast
of the 82 teams who have led their division since 1995 (i think, go math!), 45 (55%) have won it.
by larry on May 26, 2008 1:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I believe the words memorial day are supposed to appear somewhere in the above post
AIM: SouthSideCheat
by The Cheat on May 26, 2008 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and that's "led their division on memorial day"
by larry on May 26, 2008 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so the team that leads on memorial day usually wins its division.
"For those that don't understand stats... that ops is horrifying."
by Toonderstrook on May 26, 2008 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
a little more than half the time.
"I'll bring the awesome." -The 'Swish'
by Hazymania on May 26, 2008 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
64.6%
According to the White Sox’s game notes, 64.6 percent of the teams in first place on Memorial Day have advanced to the post-season since the three-division and wild card formats were utilized in 1995.http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2008/05/memorial-day-co.htmlThe last time the Sox led their division on Memorial Day was in 2005, when they went on to win the World Series.
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on May 26, 2008 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very cute, from the AZ SnakePit blog.
Welcome to the AZ SnakePit, the SB Nation blog about the Arizona Diamondbacks.
The first rule of SnakePit is – you do not talk about Carlos Quentin.
The second rule of SnakePit is – you DO NOT talk about Carlos Quentin.
Pitching, defense and health.
by ballyb on May 26, 2008 1:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
hahaha!
can we talk about Q!?
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on May 26, 2008 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, maybe SSS needs a set of corollary rules.
Cheat, Wiz?
Pitching, defense and health.
by ballyb on May 26, 2008 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or maybe just produce their own
PSA starring Troy McClure.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
by colintj on May 26, 2008 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Puberty and Q"
Troy: Hi, I’m Troy McClure! You may remember me from such blog-financed public service announcements as “Public Embarrassment, the Professional Athlete and You: The Deadspin Saga.”
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
by colintj on May 26, 2008 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think I can change it
my draft:
Welcome to the SouthSideSox, the SB Nation blog about the Chicago White Sox.The first rule of SSS is – you are encouraged to talk about how awesome Carlos Quentin is.
The second rule of SSS – you are ENCOURAGED to talk about how awesome Carlos Quentin is.
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on May 26, 2008 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That are still hurting after that one...
It’s like when a hot girl dumps you.
by SSH2005 on May 26, 2008 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it worse to have a hot girl or an ugly girl dump you?
It is better to be thought of as a fool, rather than open your mouth to remove all doubt
by whitesoxmatt on May 26, 2008 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
SSH wouldn't know ;)
The Rays win 80 games and will ship you your favorite 6 pack or bottle of reasonable wine -Tdogg
I would sell Rays 89 til my fucking face caved in - ballyb
by larry on May 27, 2008 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The worst is having an ugly girl dump ON you
When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...
by Chiburb on May 27, 2008 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
another LOL moment
Fans sitting over our dugout (in clear view of the national ESPN audience) with a sign reading:http://whitesoxpride.mlblogs.com/archives/2008/05/thoughts_during_the_game.html“Yankees and Red Sox highlights next on SportsCenter”
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on May 26, 2008 2:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Very, very good.
Pitching, defense and health.
by ballyb on May 26, 2008 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
tonight's lineups
White Sox
Cabrera SS
Pierzynski C
Quentin LF
Dye RF
Thome DH
Konerko 1B
Crede 3B
Swisher CF
Ramirez 2B
Vazquez P
Cleveland
Sizemore CF
Dellucci DH
Francisco LF
Martinez C
Aubrey 1B
Peralta SS
Gutierrez RF
Blake 3B
Cabrera 2B
Byrd P
by larry on May 26, 2008 3:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
no...these were the actual lineups.
"For those that don't understand stats... that ops is horrifying."
by Toonderstrook on May 27, 2008 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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