Revising Expectations: Konerko
by The Cheat on May 27, 2008 2:03 PM CDT
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PrintPaul Konerko has a hand/thumb injury so bad that it hurt to tie his shoes during his three days of rest last weekend, and has gone 97 consecutive plate appearances without a HR, during which time he's hit .190/.292/.226. He needs just 10 more to match his longest career drought during his dismal 2003 season. After 0-6 performance last night, Konerko now sits at .204/.325/.333 on the season.
It's hard to hit a baseball when your hands aren't healthy. It's even harder to hit for power when your hand isn't right.
So my question to you guys is What do we expect from Paulie for the rest of the season? Should he just go on the DL to give Josh Fields or Brad Eldred a shot?
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you didn't play football, i take it.
i hear josh was a QB. any truth to that?
The Rays win 80 games and will ship you your favorite 6 pack or bottle of reasonable wine -Tdogg
I would sell Rays 89 til my fucking face caved in - ballyb
Carlos Guillen and Gary Sheffield looked like crap there
I almost typed “Carlos Quentin,” but you know he’d have zero problems. Ever.
Never trust a big butt and a smile.
Sox Machine
prediction: pain
The Rays win 80 games and will ship you your favorite 6 pack or bottle of reasonable wine -Tdogg
I would sell Rays 89 til my fucking face caved in - ballyb
He should probably go on the DL...
until his hand is 100%.
Last night was a case in point. He was clearly seeing the ball very well – he made solid contact three times. But since he’s unable to drive the ball, they ended up being a foul ball and two outs.
If the best that Konerko can do at this point with the bat is a warning-track fly ball, then he needs to take some time off.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on May 27, 2008 2:21 PM CDT reply actions
While watching, I attributed that to being slightly off in timing. Each AB looked
better than the previous (to me).
But after reading the above, then it’s likely the hand IS the reason for what you described. If so, a DL stint is called for.
If Swisher moves to 1st, I hope BA continues to start in CF. If BA doesn’t start, I’d rather see Swisher in CF and perhaps try Wise at 1st.
When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...
Wise in majors w/ 340 ABs --
.200/.237/.359.
Fast, though.
Pitching, defense and health.
Bukvich was very good in Charlotte early last year.
How quickly we forget.
We need some base cloggers , anyway.
Pitching, defense and health.
Bally, I don't disagree at all
But I’m talking 2 weeks. What’s the risk?
When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...
Might be the type of injury that in order to really heal, requires
either a very extended layoff or surgery.
He hit the ball fairly well last night, didn’t he?
Pitching, defense and health.
i believe it's just a bone bruise on the thumb. no surgery, but it might only heal by not swinging a bat for a while.
i wish someone had told me that sportsnation had replaced rationality with caps lock.
I agree -- DL him
Give Fields some games at 1B in AAA and then call him up. Konerko playing in pain to put up a .600 OPS isn’t worth it—playing through pain is only useful if the performance helps the team.
by hitlesswonder on May 27, 2008 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions
hmmm, medicinal marijuana
i like the way you think, cheat. though they probably should have tried that when they were out on the west coast trip.
The Rays win 80 games and will ship you your favorite 6 pack or bottle of reasonable wine -Tdogg
I would sell Rays 89 til my fucking face caved in - ballyb
You mean Paulie is going to throw up his hands and say "wtf"
every time another fielder flubs one? Or the pitcher gives up a gopher ball?
Or Paulie will start eating brownies?
When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...
he's hurting the team now
and they have options for replacement.
and its not the type of injury thats going to heal without rest.
Those seem like all the ingredients for DL. I would expect 2003 #’s if he can’t get some real (weeks) time off.
Mosi Tatupu! Mosi Tatupu!
I say put him on the DL
I was encouraged by his foul home run (distance) but if its still nagging let it heal PK.
A 100% PK addition down the line would be like a trade addition with what he has given the team up to this point. Let BA play more and bring up Eldred.
i don't expect much from paulie the rest of the season
put him on the 2-week DL. perhaps with an injury like this, it will take the offseason to recover, but he can receive some treatment and learn how to manage the pain during the remainder of the season.
in the meantime bring fields up. either he or swish can play 1B.
"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "
by onlysoxfaninboston on May 27, 2008 2:30 PM CDT reply actions
btw, how is josh doing?
"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "
by onlysoxfaninboston on May 27, 2008 2:31 PM CDT reply actions
only because you mention brad eldred
"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "
by onlysoxfaninboston on May 27, 2008 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions
He hit well in his first 5 games back from his own injury (6-20, 5 XBH, 3HR)
but was given the day off yesterday vs. Liriano.
AIM: SouthSideCheat
so, trade him?
The Rays win 80 games and will ship you your favorite 6 pack or bottle of reasonable wine -Tdogg
I would sell Rays 89 til my fucking face caved in - ballyb
no need.
konerko to DL and thome to DFA. room for fields AND eldred.
"For those that don't understand stats... that ops is horrifying."
by Toonderstrook on May 27, 2008 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions
but how will we get uggla?
The Rays win 80 games and will ship you your favorite 6 pack or bottle of reasonable wine -Tdogg
I would sell Rays 89 til my fucking face caved in - ballyb
pablo, straight up. he's got a marlins-friendly contract.
"For those that don't understand stats... that ops is horrifying."
by Toonderstrook on May 27, 2008 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I laughed at that one
Show mercy. I get to watch the Rangers.
by Tim from Texas on May 27, 2008 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions
is there more than one right answer?
i wish someone had told me that sportsnation had replaced rationality with caps lock.
There is no right answer - only one
that is right for you, MM.
I got whacked today – no one likes commodities/gold after the long weekend? How’d you do?
I took the "under".
kinda uneventful, some good longs, some bad ones. hershey on the move. i made a chocolate play.
i wish someone had told me that sportsnation had replaced rationality with caps lock.
"hershey on the move"
that must be a REAL bad day in the financial world….
Mosi Tatupu! Mosi Tatupu!
at my office, hershey is always on the move.
i wish someone had told me that sportsnation had replaced rationality with caps lock.
if it partners with cadbury i don't give a fuck which one it is.
i wish someone had told me that sportsnation had replaced rationality with caps lock.
As a gift to the Twins organization,
since Fields absolutely kills lefties.
Pitching, defense and health.
Let Paulie sit until he's 100%
I doubt anyone will play him out of a job.
What’s going on with Swish? He’s not injured…so what’s up with him?
"We're gonna bring it all day, everyday...we're gonna keep grinding it out." - Nick Swisher (4/1/08)
I think he's hitting the ball pretty well, just at people.
See Toby Hall the last 10 days.
Pitching, defense and health.
When my dad asked me what was wrong with Konerko yesterday afternoon
I told him not to expect more than a 12 HR season.
AIM: SouthSideCheat
Sit, Paulie, sit.
If you can’t tie your shoes without pain, you can’t help the team. And your sad sack, hang-dog, Eyore, Charlie Brown expressions don’t instill confidence. This ain’t Saving Private Ryan. As the “C”, show leadership and sit.
It’s the Serengeti Plain out there, man. They are gonna pound you inside all season if you don’t get rest.
I took the "under".
On the Sox, yeah
He listens to me on the Sox and college basketball… that’s about it.
AIM: SouthSideCheat
And how does that make you feel? Are you ok with that?
Just lie back and tell us all about it…
When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...
LOL
Your just jealous because Cheat’s Dad listens to him. I’d be shocked if yours ever remembered your birthday, Chi (since you were to be seen and not heard, as was every kid born in the ‘50’s).
I took the "under".
You can always tell a Milford man.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
Enough of this.
Any more news about Cabrera calling the official score? ; )
Pitching, defense and health.
I think that's why his previous manager was the BEST EVER IN BASEBALL HISTORY!!
Especially compared to his current one:
Cabrerra never had to call the scorer himself. That’s what managers are for!
When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...
Exactly.
Or really, Jenks isn’t doing anything in the 6th inning. Have him take out his dentures, put in an extra wad of chew and while holding his spittoon, go have a face-to-face, one-on-one discussion with the official scorer re. the play in question.
Pitching, defense and health.
I expect him to not provide any services to himself or his wife with that hand until it heals
he is under contract, you know.
There has to be a diminished skills joke in here as well.
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.
So, he can't visit Rosey Palm?
"We're gonna bring it all day, everyday...we're gonna keep grinding it out." - Nick Swisher (4/1/08)
I thought her her last name was palmer
Sheesh, after all these years I find out she was lying to me?
I feel violated!
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.
They could be cousins, who knows?
All I do know is that Rosey is always there for me when I need her.
I really gotta hand it to her.
"We're gonna bring it all day, everyday...we're gonna keep grinding it out." - Nick Swisher (4/1/08)
tonight's lineups: oh, the sexy is back
WHITE SOX
Cabrera, SS
Ozuna, 2B [presumably 3B]
Quentin, LF
Dye, RF
Konerko, 1B
Swisher, RF
Ramirez, 2B
Anderson, CF
Hall, C
Buehrle, P
CLEVELAND
Sizemore, CF
Carroll, 2B
Francisco, LF
Martinez, C
Peralta, DH
Garko, 1B
Gutierrez, RF
Marte, 3B
A. Cabrera, SS
Laffey, P
The Rays win 80 games and will ship you your favorite 6 pack or bottle of reasonable wine -Tdogg
I would sell Rays 89 til my fucking face caved in - ballyb
and who knows who is DH, dye or swish or someone else
The Rays win 80 games and will ship you your favorite 6 pack or bottle of reasonable wine -Tdogg
I would sell Rays 89 til my fucking face caved in - ballyb
It would be awesome...
if the Sox were allowed to play two players in right field and two at second base, though.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on May 27, 2008 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions
could hurt us, though, against a righty heavy lineup to not have a guy at 3B
and i’d be bunting down the 3B line all day. but it would sure cut down on the triples to right.
The Rays win 80 games and will ship you your favorite 6 pack or bottle of reasonable wine -Tdogg
I would sell Rays 89 til my fucking face caved in - ballyb
It would only be fair really
Putting Swish out there with Dye and the Sox would have a combined RF with average (given Swish’s arm, Dye would the Designated Thrower though).
Having 2guys at 2B…well…actually combining Uribe and Ramirez would still yield below average offensive production. It would be more useful if Sox 2B got 3 outs to make an official out or something like that.
by hitlesswonder on May 27, 2008 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Hall
will be catching Buehrle’s third start in a row tonight. Tomorrow’s Cowley headline:
Buehrle refuses to pitch to AJ.
Mosi Tatupu! Mosi Tatupu!
Along with Toby Hall Goes 0-4
I know, I know, he’s been En Fuego…but will it last?
"We're gonna bring it all day, everyday...we're gonna keep grinding it out." - Nick Swisher (4/1/08)
oh, 'gater. no time to get existential on us.
"For those that don't understand stats... that ops is horrifying."
by Toonderstrook on May 27, 2008 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions
3 Hit Toby
You gotta believe. He’ll wear out RF again.
WTF with Paulie in the lineup? Can’t tie his shoes but gamely (gamily?) trudges on? Keehrist.
I took the "under".
he almost hit a home run yesterday
the bat boy can tie his shoes
The Rays win 80 games and will ship you your favorite 6 pack or bottle of reasonable wine -Tdogg
I would sell Rays 89 til my fucking face caved in - ballyb
Good - now he's got Ramirez power.
And what did you want to do with HIM? And HE’S fast. And Cuban. And Proud.
I took the "under".
Almost only counts...
in horse shoes and hand grenades.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on May 27, 2008 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions
or when evaluating true performance level
The Rays win 80 games and will ship you your favorite 6 pack or bottle of reasonable wine -Tdogg
I would sell Rays 89 til my fucking face caved in - ballyb
and
i guess for you i should have added a “clearly” to that post.
The Rays win 80 games and will ship you your favorite 6 pack or bottle of reasonable wine -Tdogg
I would sell Rays 89 til my fucking face caved in - ballyb
he can get velcro shoes
with Bob the Builder on them. They got ‘em at Target.
Mosi Tatupu! Mosi Tatupu!
For those with kids...
Would Handy Manny be the gay equivalent of Rosie Palm?
Discuss.
"We're gonna bring it all day, everyday...we're gonna keep grinding it out." - Nick Swisher (4/1/08)
But as John Lennon once said
when asked about his relationship with Brian Epstein, what’s a toss between friends?
I took the "under".
hit for average?
i wish someone had told me that sportsnation had replaced rationality with caps lock.
During the game last Wednesday,
Crede was going from 1st to 2nd, and he seemed to be running with some discomfort.
Back acting up?
Pitching, defense and health.
balls were partially "out" of his cup
needed to adjust.
The Rays win 80 games and will ship you your favorite 6 pack or bottle of reasonable wine -Tdogg
I would sell Rays 89 til my fucking face caved in - ballyb
personally, i say if you're gonna march out that batting order, then what the hell? double up at 2nd and in right.
i wish someone had told me that sportsnation had replaced rationality with caps lock.
How many options does Fields have left?
Is that why they could be cautious in bringing him up for what only may be a few weeks?
Show mercy. I get to watch the Rangers.
Bobby Jenks everyone!
“Consistency, that’s the main word to use,” Jenks said.http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/gameday_recap.jsp?ymd=20080526&content_id=2777786&vkey=recap&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
Big Numbers
Since 1970, the best SO/9 IP ratios by relievers:http://whitesoxpride.mlblogs.com/archives/2008/05/going_for_three.html1. Eric Gagne, 2003 LAD … 14.98
2. Billy Wagner, 1999 HOU … 14.95
3. Brad Lidge, 2004 HOU … 14.93
4. Octavio Dotel, 2008 CWS … 14.81
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
Swish is officially the only offseason acquisition performing below our expectations then?
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
don't you mean fox?
"For those that don't understand stats... that ops is horrifying."
by Toonderstrook on May 27, 2008 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I have very small expectations....
for Paulie. But, he did hit the ball pretty hard last night a couple of times (a flyout to deep center and the near home run)....I’ll be interested to see how he looks tonight.
i would ask that you predict an 0-4 night with a golden sombrero thrown in for good measure.
"For those that don't understand stats... that ops is horrifying."
by Toonderstrook on May 27, 2008 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Done. I predict the following evening for PK....
AB 1: K looking
AB 2: K swinging
AB 3: K swinging (with bases loaded)
AB 4: GIDP (with bases loaded)
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