Game 29: White Sox (14-13) @ Blue Jays (13-17)
by The Wizard on May 3, 2008 11:00 AM CDT
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PrintChicago White Sox at Toronto Blue Jays, May 3, 2008 12:07 PM CDT
John Danks (LHP) vs. Jesse Litsch (RHP)
Time: 12:07 p.m. CT, TV: CSN, Radio: WSCR AM-670 (B-R preview, Live Boxscore; 2007 MLB Gameday; 2008 MLB Gameday)
GO SOX!
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apparently no lineup tweaking
other than ozuna
Swisher, CF
Cabrera, SS
Thome, DH
Konerko, 1B
Dye, RF
Pierzynski, C
Quentin, LF
Crede, 3B
Ozuna, 2B
4/29/08: the ginger ninja strikes again
First lineup in a while that features
everyone at or above the Mendoza line. Great.
i would really enjoy beating the piss out of eckstein
i wish someone had told me that sss had replaced rationality with caps lock.
man i hate eckstein, he is such a litttle bitch
i wish someone had told me that sss had replaced rationality with caps lock.
6 up, 6 down.
but I barely noticed. Because I’m so busy being patient.
(here’s where someone can chime in with reasons to be optimistic).
Mosi Tatupu! Mosi Tatupu!
i wonder if the yankees or red sox or tigers broadcasters...
talk about how “this is the type of pitcher that causes problems for our team”. i can imagine that they might mention that such-and-such pitcher has a great career record against their team, but it seems pretty weak to categorically determine ‘these pitchers’ own us. some of these guys have never even previously faced the sox. i’m not even sure what’s scarier: that our broadcasters have just decided that the sox should not even be expected to hit soft-tossing breaking ball pitchers or that the sox CANNOT hit the vast majority of these guys.
i wish someone had told me that sss had replaced rationality with caps lock.
you're right, it is weak.
And an organizational disease. At least we dont have to listen to anyone bow to Johan this year.
Mosi Tatupu! Mosi Tatupu!
the sox just have a built-in excuse for mediocre pitching
‘the sox struggle with these guys who don’t throw too hard and don’t have great stuff and rely on their off-speed pitches to get guys out’
i wish someone had told me that sss had replaced rationality with caps lock.
No reason too panic!
Got no hit for 3 innings yesterday too! Oh wait! That’s right we lost!
So I show up late...
and see that the game is already over.
The great Jesse Litsch? The Sox don’t stand a chance against such a quality pitcher.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on May 3, 2008 12:40 PM CDT reply actions
"i can't imagine how how teams are getting to this guy dj"
i wish someone had told me that sss had replaced rationality with caps lock.
Only the first time through the order.
Second time we pound him.
Danks aint gonna last long today.
Good thing we have that extra arm
by Lawstudent201088 on May 3, 2008 12:48 PM CDT reply actions
Ken Williams...
doesn’t believe in “sunk costs”.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on May 3, 2008 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
i believe the word is "suck", as in ozuna is a suck cost.
i wish someone had told me that sss had replaced rationality with caps lock.
He’s hit .236/.269/.312 since June of ‘06. He can’t play defense. Anywhere. He’s coming off a broken leg, and is hardly the speedster that he once was. He doesn’t pound the ball into the ground and run fast to first base anymore. There’s no use for this loser.
AIM: SouthSideCheat
he blows
his defense is atrocious anywhere. oh, but his bat! he’s a leadoff hitter cheat. i’m surprised you didn’t know that. that .269 obp belongs at the top of the lineup.
i wish someone had told me that sss had replaced rationality with caps lock.
He's stolen 4 bases in the last 22 months.
can’t be a leadoff hitter… Now he’s just the pixie we throw at problems.
AIM: SouthSideCheat
BUT SPEED KILLS DAMMIT!
i wish someone had told me that sss had replaced rationality with caps lock.
Maybe the pitcher...
can get an extra-base hit.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on May 3, 2008 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know what other changes they can make...
They can’t sit carlos for jerry, or JD and Swisher for that matter. The only thing they can do now is make a blockbuster trade for a lead off hitter.
can we trade future draft picks?
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
kenny is going to the nfl or nba then!
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
jd is really bringing the suck these days
i wish someone had told me that sss had replaced rationality with caps lock.
Boy...
opposing pitchers have the Sox hitters figured out, don’t they?
Slider low and away, slider low and away, slider low and away…
by The Jerry Royster Experience on May 3, 2008 1:13 PM CDT reply actions
they're so damn happy when they see their next game is against the sox
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
you mean the great david eckstein
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
Hawk extolling the virtues of pitch count -based split stats
based on Danks 5 starts this season.
Never mind they run completely opposite to the same numbers last season
AIM: SouthSideCheat
wassermann time?
danks @ 107p-68s
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
yup
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
I really have to question Ozzie's sanity here
Putting in Wassermann with the bases loaded 2 out? He’s a contact pitcher. All you need is a strikeout. I’d like to see Thornton or Logan.
So you want Ozzie to bring in two lefthanders
instead of a guy who allowed righties to bat something like .125? Who cares how he gets there? He’s effective.
It’s absolutely the right call
AIM: SouthSideCheat
was that a hit? wtf? for the sox?
i wish someone had told me that sss had replaced rationality with caps lock.
well at least the sox gave away an out in their effort
to score one run. of course they are down 2, so it is retarded, but bunting! fuck you ozuna! fuck you ozzie for playing ozuna!!
i wish someone had told me that sss had replaced rationality with caps lock.
ugh, ozuna you annoy me, please don't lay down anymore shitty bunts
i wish someone had told me that sss had replaced rationality with caps lock.
not to mention the sox are down by 2
i wish someone had told me that sss had replaced rationality with caps lock.
That's Ozuna's 8th first-pitch out of the season.
He’s only been to the plate 22 times
AIM: SouthSideCheat
That kind of aggressiveness
is “Chicago Tough”
For those counting at home
That’s a leadoff double literally the top of the wall that missed a HR by an inch, maybe two.
5 pitches later the inning is over.
AIM: SouthSideCheat
ozuna would like to see him with enough left in the tank to pitch tomorrow
i wish someone had told me that sss had replaced rationality with caps lock.
I'm done.
click.
try again tomorrow.
Not going to give up a Saturday afternoon watching this game. I saw this one last night.
Mosi Tatupu! Mosi Tatupu!
Greg Walker please speak to us
what kind of batter patience is 59 pitches for 6 innings? The least you can do is tell these clowns to take a few pitches, maybe he will tire.
Because Ozzie still believes that it's a close game
"P.S. if Cintron gets traded or released I will buy drinks for the whole board" - tubesox 6/24/07
Overbay is lefthanded
Not saying it was the right deciscion, since the next 4 batters are RHed… but that was Ozzie’s reason
AIM: SouthSideCheat
Thanks for telling us non-watchers what happened
this another Saturday where MLB doesn’t allow games before 3:30 PM in some markets, Florida being one. So I pay $44/month and do not get to see some games. On top of that the team is not a joy to watch so it seems to be a losing year for me.
Hopefully we’ll start hitting.
Fire Ozzie Guillen now
He is the problem. We saw this same shit happen last year when the team was barreling down hill and he’s incapable of stopping it. Jim Leyland has rallied his troop after a slow start, that’s not a shock to anyone. Guillen however has proven time and time again that he doesn’t have what it takes. It’s time to give he and Walker their walking papers.
I'm a disgruntled Whitesox fan and I can't spell
Yes, Thome would be the answer
he opens his mouth as often as Baines, from what I have seen. I like the idea stated above we need a Leyland to get these guys behind close doors and chew on them a while. Ozzie might try that but I am afraid it comes out more as a Saturday Night Live skit with his command of the language.
Yea!!
Fuck Ozzie!! Fuck KW! Fuck Reinsdorf!! They all suck!! What good have they ever done?
Maybe Leyland “rallied the troops” because… I dont know… they’re really good hitters who were slumping at the start of the year. I mean, its not like they were a common pick to win the world series or anything.
(How do i draw the dong?)
Should Dye have caught that ball?
Or would a reasonably good right fielder have caught that ball?
nobody catches that ball
i wish someone had told me that sss had replaced rationality with caps lock.
you know why this feels just like last year?
the sox are down 2, no 3, in the 6th and this game feels like it is already over.
i wish someone had told me that sss had replaced rationality with caps lock.
well that's it for me, have a good weekend all.
i wish someone had told me that sss had replaced rationality with caps lock.
I am afraid this is just like 2007 and at year's end
we will look back and wonder how we were in 1st place on 5-1. We are now last in hitting in the American League and our OBP is dropping rapidly. I am in favor of blowing up this team and playing the young guys while we try to emulate the Marlins.
The Marlins get good young players, win a title, dump them and start over thereby keeping their costs low and every few years celebrate a championship. Our costs go up every year, the players get older ,and play more poorly and we pray somehow the season will end up well. I think, on the whole the Marlin theory works better for fans.
I know you're in florida so you'll probably claim to have seen, or even know one
But there’s no such thing as a Marlins fan.
AIM: SouthSideCheat
Ther'ye not many but they have developed a lot of good players
missed by the sparse crowds.
Dumping and starting over != championship every few years
It worked once for the Marlins so far. It hasn’t worked for a lot of other teams. I’m not against playing younger guys, but I’m not convinced the slash and burn technique guarantees a championship every few years.
by hitlesswonder on May 3, 2008 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Isn't that Dye's first hit
since his rest? Why does it take the Sox players several games to regain their swings after being out? It doesn’t seem that way for others.
After today the Sox
will be 14-14 in 2007 they started 12-11, then 12-14, 10-18, a hot July yielded 14-15, Aug. 9-20 and Sept finished with a flourish at 15-12. I swore I could never live through another season like that never thinking it might be the next one. Oh, well I have lived through worse.
The Sox might suck this season
But it’s not 2007
Quentin and Danks alone make it better than last season. Danks won some games at the start of 2007 but he didn’t have the peripherals he has now. There’s reason to be pretty optimistic about him. I’m optimistic that Swisher will deliver several goood years to Sox as well.
Last year they sucked with almost all old players. This year they are sucking with some decent young players at least.
by hitlesswonder on May 3, 2008 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I understand Ozzie is loyal to a fault...
...but this hitting disaster has been going on for so long, is he really willing to risk his own job to kep him around?
ps Q even makes solo home runs fun!
I think there is more at stake this year (attendance).
IMO, if our RUN SCORING woes continue, Walker will “step down.”
Pitching and defense.
The one big plus, is that the pitching for the most part has been pretty good. So, compared to 07, maybe some hope!
Pretty good?
You are a stern taskmaster.
Pitching and defense.
we gotta hang
a crooked number on their pen. c’mon swish let’s start the merry-go-round…
Crede's cost us 2 TIE games.
Pitching and defense.
Heh
Sitting in the library I’ve been listening to Stone and Farmer call the game, and at one point I looked to see just how “good” Ozuna has been since July of 2006. It’s somewhat a case of selective endpoints as he hit better than .400 in May and June, but my God he’s been so useless basically going on two years now.
As far as the offense, I side with Colin in that I think this, for the most part, isn’t much more than a slump. Swisher is better than he’s been - he’s had specific months with Oakland where he was even more terrible than he was in April. I can’t say that I don’t hold some fears, though. First, I don’t know just how far Pierzynski is going to fall. Second, I have some worries about the older core of our lineup - Konerko, Dye and Thome. Positionally speaking, it wouldn’t surprise me to see the first two not a whole lot better than average (when adjusting for position) and I think Thome will fall a bit as well (although he’d have to drop a bunch to be ‘average’ for a DH).
Oh—and that damn Carlos Quentin provides absolutely NOTHING unique to this lineup. We need more speed in that spot of the lineup.
I really think Ozuna should get released
It’s been fun. I’m glad he made some money. But he’s redundant on the roster defensively and he has no value unless his batting average is very high. Any of Fields, Owens, and the Frenchman would be more useful (even with the Frenchman sucking right now he wouldn’t be worse than Ozuna at least).
I’d like to see the Sox send down Ramirez, drop Ozuna, bring up Owens/JB and acquire a 2B that can hit a little (assuming it doesn’t cost Fields).
by hitlesswonder on May 3, 2008 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
From Cowley
the last 8 Sox home runs have been solo shots, and that’s also 14 of the last 15.
This of course will be framed with the argument that the Sox need more speed in the lineup… not, you know, more timely hitting, more talent.
AIM: SouthSideCheat
That's funny
You can lower the number of solo shots 2 ways:
1) Get more people on base in front of the home run hitters
2) Remove home run hitters from your lineup and so lower the number of homeruns.
Sitting Quentin for Owens would do the trick (method #2).
by hitlesswonder on May 3, 2008 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Or hit the HR or even double when there are men on base. Instead of when no ones on, and the pressures off.
Being unclutch
Isn’t a big reason for the Sox swoon, in my eyes.
by hitlesswonder on May 3, 2008 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions
This is the faulty supposition that most will make
Hitting a HR is hard. It’s always hard. It’s never easy. You don’t pick and choose the situation in which you hit ‘em. In fact, trying to hit them often yields in poorer results than if you’d just try to put a good swing on the ball.
Pressure has nothing to do with it.
AIM: SouthSideCheat
Would’nt say pressure has nothing to do with it. A player can put pressure on himself, especially if he’s in a slump. I just feel that when men are on base, and the HR hitters come up. Teams have learned how to pitch to these veterans under certain situations. They become predictable. Many of these hitters live off of pitches thrown over the inner part of the plate. Outside corner pitches are popped up or pulled on the ground to short or third.
You're acting like this is something new
It’s been going on for years, just ask SSI71. Nobody has “figured out” our batters, perhaps you have, but our veterans, as you refer to them, have always had the same weaknesses.
AIM: SouthSideCheat
Thats why players must adjust
If you can’t – then you’re sunk
Sox won't win
when Swish/OCab/Thome are a combined 0-for-12 with 0 BB.
That ain’t gonna get it done.
aj 0 for 8 vs ryan
with 7 k’s, haha
"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "
by onlysoxfaninboston on May 3, 2008 2:43 PM CDT reply actions
make that 8ks
"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "
by onlysoxfaninboston on May 3, 2008 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Dadgummit. Our offense was "unlucky" yet again.
Maybe we won’t be so “unlucky” tomorrow but I doubt it.
Our "unlucky" offense mowed down by...
bat-boy turned Cy Young Award candidate Jesse Litsch.
If you guys want to watch a major league offense, turn on FOX. They just put up a 6 spot in one inning. Maybe we will get to see that happen next year.
Just my opinion
But you should find a hobby that makes you happy. Suffering like this can lead to the dark side.
by hitlesswonder on May 3, 2008 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions
"Quentin's got to be the fourth outfielder."
Did SI poll White Sox fan’s #4 in intelligence? See Allan’s comment in today’s Hardball:
“I agree 100% with Rick, bring back Owens. They need speed at the top of the order. Quentin’s got to be the fourth outfielder. With our lack of offense, Brian Anderson is a luxury. Send him down.”
"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "
by onlysoxfaninboston on May 3, 2008 6:21 PM CDT reply actions
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