Sun-Times vs. Cabrera Getting Petty, Lacking in Facts
by The Cheat on May 30, 2008 1:41 AM CDT
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Print| Rank | Player | +/- |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | Yunel Escobar | +13 |
| 2 | Orlando Cabrera | +7 |
| 3 | Troy Tulowitzki | +7 |
| 4 | Marco Scutaro | +7 |
| 5 | Cristian Guzman | +5 |
| 6 | Erick Aybar | +5 |
| 7 | Stephen Drew | +4 |
| 8 | Miguel Tejada | +3 |
| 9 | J.J. Hardy | +3 |
| 10 | Jason Bartlett | +2 |
- Monday, Chris De Luca ran a blurb about Cabrera calling the clubhouse and took a couple of shots about his "leadership."
- A mini-controversy ensued, as Ozzie Guillen responded.
- Cabrera didn't feel like he had the support of his manager (or at least that's what we're told.)
- Kenny Williams chimed in.
- And Cabrera issued a code of silence against the Sun-Times.
- By Friday's news cycle, it seemed to be over. Everything is copacetic between Guillen and Cabrera, more or less.
Oh, but it's not over, not by a long shot. De Luca and Cowley still have column inches to fill, and if they can't fill them with boring cliches about 'taking it one game at a time' and 'giving it 110%' they're going to go the full-blown hatchet job route. But, you know, they won't actually put their names to it.
While your standard recap contains a byline, there's none to be found on this piece (at least online). The URL, however, tells me it's almost assuredly a Cowley joint. Though I doubt your average reader is going to be able to figure that out. [Note by The Cheat, 05/30/08 1:30 PM CDT ]: As of this afternoon, the first time I've checked since last night, the article is listed with a Cowley byline. Jim gives us some perspective on how newspapers work, and explains why the byline may have been slow to show up.
Who can blame them though? Would you put your name on something when, after a few hundred words of being unable to make your point through character assasinsation, you resorted to ignoring facts in order to extend your own personal grudge?
The fact is, he has been a disappointment, not only at the plate but also in the field, where he is the fourth-best shortstop on the Sox behind Alexei Ramirez, Juan Uribe and his 44-year-old manager.
Didn't Cabrera used to have range?
For those of you who bother with petty things like facts, Cabrera is the second ranked SS in baseball according to John Dewan's +/- (table at right) rating this year. He leads all of baseball in defensive win shares. He ranks 4th among shortstops in RZR. But, you know, he's the 4th best shortstop on the White Sox...
Because he won't talk to the Sun-Times.
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clearly, cabrera's lofty rankings in the fielding metrics prove only...
that he’s got more than just the official scorer on speed dial.
after 53 games this century: '08: up 2, '07: down 7, '06: down 2.5, '05: up 4, '04: up 2, '03: down 6.5, '02: down 2, '01: down 12.5, '00: up 2.5
Cue banjo music
"We're gonna bring it all day, everyday...we're gonna keep grinding it out." - Nick Swisher (4/1/08)
Whatever, the guy's CLEARLY a bum. I can see it with my eyes. Only bums wear #18, or whatever his number is
He should be DFAed pronto. CLEARLY.
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.
Regarding the lack of byline
While your standard recap contains a byline, there’s none to be found on this piece (at least online). [...]Who can blame them though? Would you put your name on something when, after a few hundred words of being unable to make your point through character assasinsation, you resorted to ignoring facts in order to extend your own personal grudge?
Often times opinion pieces, when they’re webbed, originally come across without a byline because columns/analysis get a different style of attribution—usually a headshot/woodcut and box. If there’s an error with the slug or edition code, the byline has to be added manually well after it’s originally published. It’s not the first S-T column I’ve seen missing a byline, and the first one that comes to mind is a Slezak article praising Cabrera.
That said, trying to defend the content of the article would be a fruitless endeavor. More or less just offering some possible explanation for the only explicable facet.
Never trust a big butt and a smile.
Sox Machine
BTW Cheat, if you keep coming up with zeroes for a recap
the $ value of this site plummets. It is now $140K on the futures exchange.
Man up.
I took the "under".
but last night I posted a youtube video link
of avery johnson introducing his car dealership
didn’t that raise the site’s value a couple K?
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
Your stuff isn't good enough to read twice
[/big talk that attempts to compensate for a lack of reading comprehension]
Never trust a big butt and a smile.
Sox Machine
I read the rag on the train this morning.
it was a Cowley column. Too many stupids to document. Btw, his game “recap” spends the 1st two graphs rehashing all the team’s “controversy”, then gushes about how theyre winning despite that.
Can’t say I blame OC for shutting them out.
When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...
What an A-hole
I never read the Sun Times. Too much bs. BUT, thanks for posting the link. What kind of dipshit claims OCab is the 4th best shortstop on the team?!?
"Still waking up in the mornings with shaking hands"
Hey...
I bet Cabrera’s better than Guillen.
The Trib this morning opined that Alexei Ramirez provides more offense than Juan Uribe, because Uribe’s batting .198, and Ramirez is batting .218.
Complete lines -
Uribe – .198/.262./328
Ramirez – .218/.242/.299
Yeah.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on May 30, 2008 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Are you saying?
That Uribe provides more? Since Alexei has been in a full time role he has provided much more offense than Uribe had playing everyday.
.278 .298 .370 .669 9 runs in 17 games.
Fun with random endpoints.
In the 12 games before Uribe went on the DL -
.256/.341/.359.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on May 30, 2008 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
And?
Post uribe’s numbers in full time duty and Ill post Alexei’s in full time duty, we’ll see which is better.
You are either Pratt or another member of Uribe’s dinner party. He’s garbage
Pratt?
The Rays win 80 games and will ship you your favorite 6 pack or bottle of reasonable wine -Tdogg
I would sell Rays 89 til my fucking face caved in - ballyb
You don't remember the kid we all argued with last year?
Has his own site? His first name is Greg? Or am I mistaken?
I took the "under".
by winningugly on May 30, 2008 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Used to be quite angry in his posts here
Liked to close with the words “Fuck you” So I banned him. It’s odd because he knows how to behave himself elsewhere on the web. Though usually he’s just penning poems about Tom Brady and Bill Belichick.
AIM: SouthSideCheat
Don't forget about Schuerholz!
His mouth is firmly secured to that man’s ballsack.
by Craig Grebeck on May 30, 2008 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not a big Uribe fan.
Just pointing out that Ramirez hasn’t exactly been setting the world on fire, in any sense of the term.
Like Larry said, flip a coin.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on May 30, 2008 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions
so perhaps flip a coin
though i’d note that while uribe’s defense has been surprisingly lacking, ramirez’ has been plain bad. will it improve? likely with experience. but can the sox afford that? at any rate, flipping a coin seems like a decent idea.
The Rays win 80 games and will ship you your favorite 6 pack or bottle of reasonable wine -Tdogg
I would sell Rays 89 til my fucking face caved in - ballyb
Huh?
How has Ramirez’s defense been lacking? He’s showed great range and turns a quick DP with a great arm. Im not sure what he has done thats not as good as Uribe. Hes a better hitter, plays good defense and has speed on the basepaths.
And the relevance to Pratt is because he defends Uribe soley because he went out to dinner with him one time, and uribe paid.
"while uribe’s defense has been surprisingly lacking"
Not sure about this, either.
Pitching, defense and health.
you can click on the link above to defensive win shares for an e.g.
going into the season, i would not have expected uribe to be ranked where he is.
The Rays win 80 games and will ship you your favorite 6 pack or bottle of reasonable wine -Tdogg
I would sell Rays 89 til my fucking face caved in - ballyb
his decision-making and positioning, especially on relays, has been quite poor
he can obviously handle the position physically. he just doesn’t understand yet all of what he needs to be doing out there.
and i have no idea why we’re supposed to know someone named pratt went out to dinner with juan uribe. but, again, i’m not hip to the people magazine, white sox edition, which i’m sure includes a white sox sighting column.
The Rays win 80 games and will ship you your favorite 6 pack or bottle of reasonable wine -Tdogg
I would sell Rays 89 til my fucking face caved in - ballyb
Who'd want to pick up Juan's restaurant tab? With dessert...
you’d have to take out a 2nd mortgage.
"We're gonna bring it all day, everyday...we're gonna keep grinding it out." - Nick Swisher (4/1/08)
LOL!
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
since we're on the gossip train...
is the city still abuzz over sonnenschein’s purge?
may 1, 2008 quote of the day: "get owens on the field immediatly… swish can take quintens role…"
by Toonderstrook on May 30, 2008 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions
i've been relatively buried
so i’m not really sure. i’ll probably get the details at some point.
The Rays win 80 games and will ship you your favorite 6 pack or bottle of reasonable wine -Tdogg
I would sell Rays 89 til my fucking face caved in - ballyb
Most firms in the City
are cutting workforce. The Recession monster rears its ugly head again.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on May 30, 2008 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions
sonnenschein is somewhat more interesting than most (to me at least)
because they are still planning to add a record-number of lateral partners in ‘08.
may 1, 2008 quote of the day: "get owens on the field immediatly… swish can take quintens role…"
by Toonderstrook on May 30, 2008 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions
law firms tend to be reticent about cutting lawyers, however
especially at the more junior level and at this time of year.
The Rays win 80 games and will ship you your favorite 6 pack or bottle of reasonable wine -Tdogg
I would sell Rays 89 til my fucking face caved in - ballyb
They don't want
other firms to see that they are struggling or have a financial weakness?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on May 30, 2008 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions
probably part of it
firms usually like to do these things hush-hush. in stages and so on. sonnenschein’s been pretty public and candid about their layoffs, probably because they’re so massive that it would be impossible to keep it under wraps.
The Rays win 80 games and will ship you your favorite 6 pack or bottle of reasonable wine -Tdogg
I would sell Rays 89 til my fucking face caved in - ballyb
Like Mayer Brown had to do
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on May 30, 2008 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions
still different
mayer, if i recall correctly, only dumped non-equity partners who had no book. doesn’t bring nearly the bad pub as dumping young associates.
may 1, 2008 quote of the day: "get owens on the field immediatly… swish can take quintens role…"
by Toonderstrook on May 30, 2008 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions
the summer associate class is getting much more excitement than they bargained for.
may 1, 2008 quote of the day: "get owens on the field immediatly… swish can take quintens role…"
by Toonderstrook on May 30, 2008 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions
for those of you who bother with petty things like facts
he doesn’t own them anymore.
The Rays win 80 games and will ship you your favorite 6 pack or bottle of reasonable wine -Tdogg
I would sell Rays 89 til my fucking face caved in - ballyb
I think he cares only about money. If controversy helps generate that, then ok.
When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...
Yep. He'd still be in the minors if the S-T had any money.
As much as I disliked Padilla, he was better than this.
When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...
nate whalen should've got the call-up
that guy was alright.
The Rays win 80 games and will ship you your favorite 6 pack or bottle of reasonable wine -Tdogg
I would sell Rays 89 til my fucking face caved in - ballyb
Onto more unimportant items....
anyone notice the number of this Childers guy down at Charlotte? I know he’s not a prospect—-he’s 33….but has he ever pitched in the bigs? Pretty ridiculous numbers in his 20 inning plus so far….
Small to very small samples. Everyone, except AJ (and 2B, no samples),
has good stats against James Shields.
Of remaining 3 games, it’s the best matchup for a victory.
Pitching, defense and health.
Did all of you
pray to the Forkball Gods this morning? I did.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on May 30, 2008 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions
No.
I just hope there haven’t been any hearing since his last start re child custody, alimony, etc.
Pitching, defense and health.
Urlacher signed with the Sox?
Oh. I forgot that he doesn’t play well because of physical reasons. Funny how divorce/paternity/failed record companies are used as excuses for some, but not others.
When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...
Divorce proceeding are a positive for NFL players.
More aggression.
Pitching, defense and health.
You know what, Bally? Maybe you're onto something...
Isn’t Cowley’s wife very pregnant? Could that take his mind “off his game” of reporting?
That would explain a lot!
When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...
maybe, but probably not.
it isn’t as though cowley was pulitzer material before his wife got pregnant.
may 1, 2008 quote of the day: "get owens on the field immediatly… swish can take quintens role…"
by Toonderstrook on May 30, 2008 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
ah. there you are. I'm still wiping tire tracks off my back from the bus
you threw me under at Patty’s Play House.
When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...
it was a compliment.
may 1, 2008 quote of the day: "get owens on the field immediatly… swish can take quintens role…"
by Toonderstrook on May 30, 2008 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
"we're all good friends, just kidding around, have another beer?,
except for Chiburb… he’s ‘serious’ “
When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...
Don't pout
Toonder has an age bias. I postulate it’s something to do with his Dad. Embrace the young man.
;)
I took the "under".
by winningugly on May 30, 2008 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Glad I didn't see it last night. Tossing and turning ain't good.
WU, I’m telling you it was disgusting. Not throwing me under the bus, that’s no big deal. But you could tell he really wanted those Ray’s fans to LIKE him!
It was like he and Patty-Cakes were soul brothers.
;-)
When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...
i like my dad; he's younger than you are, though.
may 1, 2008 quote of the day: "get owens on the field immediatly… swish can take quintens role…"
by Toonderstrook on May 30, 2008 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I figured as much - probably birthed you
when he and Mom were in their teens….
(Hell, mine were 20 – but that was during the ‘50’s, when ‘tang was not freely available.)
I took the "under".
kids will be kids ;-)
turned out rather well for them. by 50, all three kids college-educated and out of the house. now they have plenty of time to blow their money while they can still ambulate.
may 1, 2008 quote of the day: "get owens on the field immediatly… swish can take quintens role…"
by Toonderstrook on May 30, 2008 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Cabrera is bringing some of this on himself...
...by refusing to talk to the Sun Times. That just pisses these guys off more, expect more trash articles about him (and it gives them a story to write).
He should talk to the people who wrote this?:
The fact is, he has been a disappointment, not only at the plate but also in the field, where he is the fourth-best shortstop on the Sox behind Alexei Ramirez, Juan Uribe and his 44-year-old manager.
Didn’t Cabrera used to have range?
When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...
Yes, he should
He’s a guy getting paid millions of dollars to play a kid’s game, and like it or not talking to the press comes as part of the job.
Not talking to them is just going to make it worse.
i think it doesn't matter much
they started this hatchet job when he was talking to them. and i’m not sure if cabrera cares whether it’s worse or better. whether he talks to them or not, these guys were still going to milk this story for all its worth.
The Rays win 80 games and will ship you your favorite 6 pack or bottle of reasonable wine -Tdogg
I would sell Rays 89 til my fucking face caved in - ballyb
Cabrera
cares about his stats more than the team, so he probably cares about his public perception more than the team.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on May 30, 2008 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions
how did i just know this would be a story you would love?
considering this story was boring on tuesday, i’ll just rest on what i’ve said before: who cares.
The Rays win 80 games and will ship you your favorite 6 pack or bottle of reasonable wine -Tdogg
I would sell Rays 89 til my fucking face caved in - ballyb
I don't love the story
I just think it shows a major character flaw on the individual, especially in a team setting.
I work in a team environment – and if one of my co-workers decides to take credit for something they did not do more than once, it causes a cancer on the team. When things are going well, people on the team don’t react as much, but they remember. When work is going slow this becomes a major problem.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on May 30, 2008 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
The Fashions You Can't Stop Talking About!
Octavio’s Socks!
Jermaine’s To-Dye-For Shoes!
Where Did Paulie Get Those Fabulous Gloves?
The Rays win 80 games and will ship you your favorite 6 pack or bottle of reasonable wine -Tdogg
I would sell Rays 89 til my fucking face caved in - ballyb
You okay?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on May 30, 2008 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions
you're the one concerned with gossip. grab your copy of people magazine, white sox edition and leave the rest of us alone.
The Rays win 80 games and will ship you your favorite 6 pack or bottle of reasonable wine -Tdogg
I would sell Rays 89 til my fucking face caved in - ballyb
Larry,
Here is a great idea – if you don’t care for something that people are writing about, don’t respond. Others did, so apparently it was a story.
You should try it – it is very refreshing.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on May 30, 2008 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
i like making fun of people like you who do.
The Rays win 80 games and will ship you your favorite 6 pack or bottle of reasonable wine -Tdogg
I would sell Rays 89 til my fucking face caved in - ballyb
ahhh well,
whatever helps you get through the day.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on May 30, 2008 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Who cares HOW he feels about the team?!?
He either produces, at bat and in field, or he doesn’t. If he doesn’t, he’ll be gone. If he does, he’s done his job and will move on.
Why does it matter to you?
When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...
He isn't producing
and he is making a fuss about his individual stats – that is the problem!
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on May 30, 2008 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions
In other words, you're the fan who SHOULD care about the team.
The player, hopefully gets along with his teammates while producing well enough to help the team win games. He has NO obligation to “care” about the team more than his stats, especially knowing he’s here for 6 months.
When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...
Cabrera
he has totally put all of this on himself. When you put yourself and your stats above the team then you need to get the hell out of town. Do you think the pitchers like to see him complaining to the Official Scorer about an error, when a hit would effect their stats?
Cabrera is one and done in this City.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on May 30, 2008 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
For those of you who bother with petty things like facts
you’ll note that none of this has to do with anything being a hit.
The Rays win 80 games and will ship you your favorite 6 pack or bottle of reasonable wine -Tdogg
I would sell Rays 89 til my fucking face caved in - ballyb
did you want big frank to pack up and get the hell out of town
during the early to mid nineties???
"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "
by onlysoxfaninboston on May 30, 2008 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Different
Frank was an MVP candidate at the time…Cabrera is a candidate for the bench.
Frank wore out his welcome, if you remember.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on May 30, 2008 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Frank wore out his foot/ankle...if he hadn't be injured he'd likely still be with the Sox
by hitlesswonder on May 30, 2008 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
I wouldn't bet on it.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on May 30, 2008 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Frank became an insufferable pain in the ass
Every day was something else with him. He earned his buyout.
"Still waking up in the mornings with shaking hands"
Your comment that I responded to
fails to make that distinction.
Either way, this whole thing is a non-story, at least to me.
"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "
by onlysoxfaninboston on May 30, 2008 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
right
criticizing a player for calling the scorer is one thing. Fair game. Continuing to question his leadership because of that is a stretch. And the excerpt above is chippy, schoolyard stuff that is refutable with facts, and over the line.
Mosi Tatupu! Mosi Tatupu!
Takes 2 to tango.
One has to be bigger and toss out an olive branch.
Pitching, defense and health.
on another note the pecota adjusted playoff odds
has the sox at 21.1%
last week i recall it at ~16%
"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "
by onlysoxfaninboston on May 30, 2008 10:54 AM CDT reply actions
if you click the team, you can see the day by day changes
~16 was their high…how did it jump up 5 percent?
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
you win lots while your main pecota competitions lose lots?
The Rays win 80 games and will ship you your favorite 6 pack or bottle of reasonable wine -Tdogg
I would sell Rays 89 til my fucking face caved in - ballyb
i was thinking the same
but what larry said below makes sense. the elo odds are over
"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "
by onlysoxfaninboston on May 30, 2008 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't particularly like Cabrera...
and even I think this is a non-story.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on May 30, 2008 10:54 AM CDT reply actions
Whatever is motivating him, he's coming alive
at the plate the last week or two. I say keep him angry.
To that end, I may shout at him Sunday. Suggestions for catcalls, anyone? (All in the interest in keeping him focused and angry.)
I took the "under".
by winningugly on May 30, 2008 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions
renteria says 'hi' to your mom
"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "
by onlysoxfaninboston on May 30, 2008 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Hey, your Mom...
oh, I see, I should say that to Cabrera.
;)
I took the "under".
by winningugly on May 30, 2008 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Just hold up a sign with the Press Box phone #.
Maybe some text that says “1-800-NO-ERROR” ?
When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...
A winner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pitching, defense and health.
you gotta love the family fueds
"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "
by onlysoxfaninboston on May 30, 2008 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
how about a scattershot approach
a sign that says,
“Dave Wilder stole your signing bonus right before he caught your mom injecting steroids in Renteria’s butt in the scorer’s booth, while you were arguing with Ozzie, who is still a better shortstop by the way, and Mike Scioscia also says that he’s happier with Aybar and is glad you are gone.”
kinda wordy though…
Mosi Tatupu! Mosi Tatupu!
How will he hear you
over the rest of the crowd. Better get close.
Show mercy. I get to watch the Rangers.
by Tim from Texas on May 30, 2008 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't "like" him either, and agree with you. What DOES concern me about him
is how many rallies he’ll run us out of by trying to stretch doubles into triples. Now that we know he cares about his stats (so selfishly!), won’t triples indicate that an ageing player still has speed? Moreso than doubles? Wouldn’t that help his next contract?
When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...
I'm not even worried about that.
I don’t think players really think that way. I thought that ball yesterday was a triple, too.
I’m worried that he’ll get an extension from the team. I’m fine with him being around for now.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on May 30, 2008 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions
depends upon when he does it
yesterday was a fine time to try. the general rule has been if it takes a perfect throw to get you, go for it. the one against the angels was far more problematic. at any rate, it seems like the XBH that were missing for the first 1.5 months or so are back so i’m not going to complain too much about his baserunning “aggressiveness.” yet.
The Rays win 80 games and will ship you your favorite 6 pack or bottle of reasonable wine -Tdogg
I would sell Rays 89 til my fucking face caved in - ballyb
I should've used "might concern me" instead of DOES...
I’m afraid I might’ve just given Cowley his next bullet.
When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...
Agreed - why are folks posting that he is not producing
when as of late he is – so he’s started slowly. His baserunning didn’t come into question until recently because he wasn’t on base! AVG climbing toward .250, XBH increasing, “D” is steady, if unspectacular.
How about another story line? Why is Dotel throwing water at the Rays’ mascot? I’m sure that is a juicy story.
I took the "under".
by winningugly on May 30, 2008 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions
because there's about a monthlong lag in perception of a player by many people on this site?
how long did it take people to realize that, whoops, maybe cabrera actually isn’t playing a bad SS – and, gasp, is actually playing well – and should stop recalling two games in early april and stop saying he is playing poor defense?
The Rays win 80 games and will ship you your favorite 6 pack or bottle of reasonable wine -Tdogg
I would sell Rays 89 til my fucking face caved in - ballyb
but you read the suntimes...?
The Rays win 80 games and will ship you your favorite 6 pack or bottle of reasonable wine -Tdogg
I would sell Rays 89 til my fucking face caved in - ballyb
because you're capable of thinking critically?
The Rays win 80 games and will ship you your favorite 6 pack or bottle of reasonable wine -Tdogg
I would sell Rays 89 til my fucking face caved in - ballyb
Oh, you are a critical SOB, Chi
I took the "under".
by winningugly on May 30, 2008 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
but he's modest
i don’t hand out compliments lightly.
The Rays win 80 games and will ship you your favorite 6 pack or bottle of reasonable wine -Tdogg
I would sell Rays 89 til my fucking face caved in - ballyb
Chi, pop the cork, bro
larry has bestowed a compliment – on you! The weekend has begun. Bask in the glow. And in about 5 hours I will join you in that cork-popping thing
Bobby SS, you are turning green with envy, kid. As am I.
I took the "under".
by winningugly on May 30, 2008 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I must come clean
I did projectile vomit when I saw Larry give a compliment.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on May 30, 2008 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I was pissed too, until I saw a replay of Upton's throw.
Someone earlier said “throw of the year.”
That had to rank with the best throws ever?
How about some critiques and comparisons?
It was the best throw I ever remember seeing.
Pitching, defense and health.
I liked it when Q
lobbed the ball in from the OF to the dugout just before the start of the 3rd inning yesterday, his dark locks gently fluttering in the breeze.
by The Actual El Guapo on May 30, 2008 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
I can't believe they published that.
what shite. way to play up that obligation to your readers. i do wonder if this will impact the relationship Cowley has with his front office connections. it seems like the Sox have been content to make him their guy.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
Tomorrow Cowley reports
that Cabrera’s pastor has been saying mean things about Ozzie and Kenny.
Also, Cowley saw Cabrera and Goody Osburn with the Devil.
by The Actual El Guapo on May 30, 2008 11:14 AM CDT reply actions
Breaking News
Joe Crede called a St. Pete pizza joint and changed Ozzie’s post-game dinner order from extra anchovies to no anchovies and extra mushrooms. Sun Times is investigating, keep watching my twitter feed for oncoming detals..
by explodingpinwheelsforfunandprofit on May 30, 2008 11:23 AM CDT reply actions
He's not a team player
I look forward to Kenny williams clarifying the organizations stance on pizza toppings
by hitlesswonder on May 30, 2008 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Who the hell
eats Pizza in St. Pete?! Yuck.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on May 30, 2008 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
what about it?
The Rays win 80 games and will ship you your favorite 6 pack or bottle of reasonable wine -Tdogg
I would sell Rays 89 til my fucking face caved in - ballyb
I thought as a fan of Silver's you'd be interested in seeing him be loved and revered
by thousands of others. I’ve been impressed with his work for months, not knowing it was him.
When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...
Of course. Besides his site, he cross-posts on DKos (where I found him)
Just read some of the comments in this thread. I’ll add the link to bhoov’s post too.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/5/30/103412/365/357/525434
When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...
FYI. Q!.
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080530&content_id=2798569&vkey=allstar2008&fext=.jsp
Pitching, defense and health.
Joe Cowley's Response to my email
“You have no clue what else is going on with Cabrera. Trust me, if people knew everything they would think my column was a trip to the fun park today.”
don't hold back, joe.
ah, the classic “i know stuff you don’t – but i’m not going to reveal what i supposedly know. trust me.”
here’s my guess: cowley found out last week that it’s orlando, not he, who impregnated mrs. cowley. trust me.
The Rays win 80 games and will ship you your favorite 6 pack or bottle of reasonable wine -Tdogg
I would sell Rays 89 til my fucking face caved in - ballyb
Yep, that sounds exactly what it is...
Cowley has been a major douchebag in his time as a White Sox beat reporter.
He was great with the Southtown
Which I guess is similar to saying a band was great before signing with the major label.
Never trust a big butt and a smile.
Sox Machine
"some are saying"
you forgot
The Rays win 80 games and will ship you your favorite 6 pack or bottle of reasonable wine -Tdogg
I would sell Rays 89 til my fucking face caved in - ballyb
He replied again
To my response about O’s stats as a SS and his wrong points about him being the 4th best on his team. He responded telling me I know nothing about his strained relationship with the team, and that he is more entrenched in the clubhouse than me. A 100 percent unprofessional response from a writer who has previously called Canada a third world country, and had been banned from MVP voting because he embarrassed the Chicago Chapter of BBWAA.
He’s a joke, and pretty much looks to not be changing his ways whatsoever.
yes, it is all clear now.
oc = bad clubhouse guy = bad at playing shortstop.
may 1, 2008 quote of the day: "get owens on the field immediatly… swish can take quintens role…"
by Toonderstrook on May 30, 2008 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions
ask him to tell you about the strained relationship with the team.
if only there was some outlet, some way he could let the whole world know what he knows. sad.
The Rays win 80 games and will ship you your favorite 6 pack or bottle of reasonable wine -Tdogg
I would sell Rays 89 til my fucking face caved in - ballyb
Oh come on
As if that would sell papers?
Anyone see any strained-ness in the way OC’s teammates greet him in the dugout after he scores a run?
damn that rachael ray.
may 1, 2008 quote of the day: "get owens on the field immediatly… swish can take quintens role…"
by Toonderstrook on May 30, 2008 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
In the “what have you done for me lately?” department, Cabrera has an OBA of nearly 0.500 over the last week (if he could just figure out what to do when he gets there). Seems decent enough from #6.
On the field he’s hardly stinking up the joint. Even if you give him 2 more errors for all his whining, he’s still one of the top five shortstops.
I say enjoy him while he’s here.
Regarding Cowley, isn’t he former mlb himself? With its sobbing front page and hysterical back page, I think the whole paper’s been mariottized.
wrong joe cowley
The Rays win 80 games and will ship you your favorite 6 pack or bottle of reasonable wine -Tdogg
I would sell Rays 89 til my fucking face caved in - ballyb
aw, shit. the feud looks like its over.
Orlando Cabrera finally went into Ozzie’s office today and the two had a closed-door meeting. The two are on the same page for now.
The one thing Ozzie asked of Cabrera was to get to know his teammates better.
http://blogs.suntimes.com/whitesox/
The Rays win 80 games and will ship you your favorite 6 pack or bottle of reasonable wine -Tdogg
I would sell Rays 89 til my fucking face caved in - ballyb
yeah. OC should say to Konerko
get your tongue out of my mouth. I’m kissing you goodbye.
When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...
aside from being belied by the facts,
isn’t cowley’s statement that cabrera is the 4th best SS on the white sox also a dig at ozzie, who by cowley’s logic must be a dumbass for playing cabrera every day in spite of clearly better options? dude should go on paternity leave now and do us all a favor.
may 1, 2008 quote of the day: "get owens on the field immediatly… swish can take quintens role…"
paulie's take
“I hate to bring up (2005), because looking back, we all know how that ended,’’ Konerko said of the White Sox’ World Series championship year. “But this team is very similar to that one in the sense that every day in the clubhouse, there was always some kind of beef going on. Yet, that team stayed focused, and this team is staying focused when the game starts.http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=200346“I don’t know if there’s something to that or not. I don’t know if that’s something you can draw up, ‘Here’s what we’re going to do, bicker and win.’ This team has some similarities like that where it’s not boring in here, that’s for sure.’‘
Last season, when the White Sox lost 90 games and finished 24 games behind the Cleveland Indians in the AL Central, boring was the operative word.
That hasn’t been a problem this season.
“The way I look at it is, when there’s silence and none of that (controversy), it probably means that people don’t care about the other people, they don’t care about anything,’’ Konerko said. “They’re just going through the motions.
“The fact that some of that exists in the clubhouse, it shows we care. It can get carried away, it can turn bad, but it’s like brothers. You fight with your brothers. It’s kind of like that.
“Like I said about the ‘05 team, the whole year it was like every day, different guys had different things going on, and we won the World Series. So go figure.’‘
As for having a problem with Cabrera, who seems to have a problem with Guillen, Konerko said the veteran shortstop has not been a distraction.
“Personally speaking, I haven’t had any problems with Orlando,’’ Konerko said. “He makes the plays in the field and he’s a good player.’‘
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
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The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
O.C. ya later
He constantly looks up at the scoreboard every time he doesn’t make a play and an error is a possibility. Twice I’ve seen him get pissed-off because a runner didn’t score from 1st on his would-be RBI groundout. You think stealing 3rd tonight while Quentin was batting with a 1-1 count and 2 outs was for the team’s benefit and not his stats? Start the Alexei Ramirez era ASAP and dump this selfish loser.
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