Game 30: White Sox (14-14) @ Blue Jays (14-17)
by The Wizard on May 4, 2008 11:00 AM CDT
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PrintChicago White Sox at Toronto Blue Jays, May 4, 2008 12:07 PM CDT
Jose Contreras (RHP) vs. Roy Halladay (RHP)
Time: 12:07 p.m. CT, TV: WGN, Radio: WSCR AM-670 (B-R preview, Live Boxscore; 2007 MLB Gameday; 2008 MLB Gameday)
GO SOX!
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Halladay
think he gets his 5th complete game in a row?
at least the Yankees will miss the post-season, too.
Just curious...
Why does Quentin bat 7th?
Oh! Duh! He has to get his solo homer quota in. My B.
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."
on jerry "makes things happen" owens
or on why one shouldn’t blame cabrera or whoever for not hitting well when ozzie puts things in motion.
Joe Sheehan: Every study that’s ever been done shows that the saw about a guy on first base distracting a pitcher is garbage. Players hit MUCH worse in ABs with a stolen-base attempt than they do otherwise, and the rest of the value in having a guy on first is in the first baseman holding and creating a hole, and that happens with 95% of baserunners. Once again, I say: baseball players are much, much more mentally tough, as a group, than they’re given credit for, You can’t shake a major-league pitcher by taking a big lead
4/29/08: the ginger ninja strikes again
Dan Fox
of BP on a baserunner’s effect on the pitcher
“EqOAR (Equivalent Other Advancement Runs) – This measures the contributions of runners who take advantage of passed balls, wild pitches, and balks. Reasearch has shown that runners have more influence on these events than one might think. Better baserunners cause more balks, as most balks result from an attempt to deceive the runner. Better baserunners also cause more passed balls and wild pitches, in a certain sense, as passed balls and wild pitches are only scored as such if the runner attempts to advance.
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by Shoeless In SC on May 4, 2008 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
talking about two different things
perhaps i should have included the question but it had to do with ellsbury.
4/29/08: the ginger ninja strikes again
Get foul, get foul!
It won’t… :(
Ahhh Hawk…
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."
Can Toronto please...
get a decent field?
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."
Stairs tags on an Overbay fly to Quentin in LF
1 run may be insurmountable.
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."
And our solo-home run expert
is coming up with a chance to tie us up!
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by Shoeless In SC on May 4, 2008 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Nope.
1 pitch. 1 out.
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by Shoeless In SC on May 4, 2008 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
thats chicago tough
It is better to be thought of as a fool, rather than open your mouth to remove all doubt
by whitesoxmatt on May 4, 2008 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
And Hill gets a double down the LF line...
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And he's stranded.
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by Shoeless In SC on May 4, 2008 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
So...
I guess you are allowed to take foghorns to Blue Jays games?
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by Shoeless In SC on May 4, 2008 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
It's Canada
Half of them arrive to the ballpark by fishing boats and ice cutters.
Never trust a big butt and a smile.
Sox Machine
lol.
good point.
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by Shoeless In SC on May 4, 2008 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
He's only had 16 AB's...
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by Shoeless In SC on May 4, 2008 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
The Sox are going to get no-hit today
It’s painful watching this lineup hit. Great talent assembled, KW.
Doc Halladay
en route to a perfect game. 41 pitches 3 IP 4K’s.
Damn these foghorns! what the deuce?
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."
Zaun...
advanced to third on a rope lined to right-center gap by Rios. Runners at corners…
Zero out.
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."
Erm... runners at 2nd, 3rd.
And Ozzie and O-Cab are arguing about whether OC tagged Rios.
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by Shoeless In SC on May 4, 2008 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions
yep. I missed it too.
but he did tag him.
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by Shoeless In SC on May 4, 2008 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
this is the incompetence i can't abide
i saw the tag live but there was no way the umpire standing behind could. he shouldn’t be making that call. period. that’s not his call. if no one else in the crew saw it, fine. i can accept that. but ask for help.
4/29/08: the ginger ninja strikes again
He should have convened with the other umps.
Hawk is actually right this time.
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by Shoeless In SC on May 4, 2008 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions
fuck convening
the other umpire(s) should overrule him. he’s wrong. if another umpire sees a wrong call they shouldn’t keep their mouths shut just because it’s the crew chief who made the call.
4/29/08: the ginger ninja strikes again
Oh... Crede...
Almost turned two unassisted.
A break after a screw.
2 outs 2nd and third.
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by Shoeless In SC on May 4, 2008 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh my God...
Swisher is trying his best out there… but I don’t think Willie Mays could’ve caught that one.
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3-0. 2 outs.
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by Shoeless In SC on May 4, 2008 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
4-0 2 outs. Wells singles in another run.
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by Shoeless In SC on May 4, 2008 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
That was a nice throw...
Swisher almost had the assist but AJ couldn’t handle it.
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by Shoeless In SC on May 4, 2008 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Typical.
Ump misses a call. Sox implode. 3+ runs ensue.
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."
because other teams do so much better in similar situations, right?
4/29/08: the ginger ninja strikes again
Not that I know of.
I only watch this one. But it seems typical of what I usually see from this team.
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by Shoeless In SC on May 4, 2008 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Now there's really no point to watch.
“Swisher trying to get that swagger back!” – DJ
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by Shoeless In SC on May 4, 2008 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I love Canadian commercials
Seeing a maple leaf before the Taco Bell logo appears on the Bacon Club Chalupa commercials.
Never trust a big butt and a smile.
Sox Machine
I missed it...
Did Swish have any business trying for 3rd?
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by Shoeless In SC on May 4, 2008 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions
It works in my video game :)
Nah, I was talking about the throwing error.
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by Shoeless In SC on May 4, 2008 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions
eckstein doesn't throw the ball hard enough to get far enough past the 1B
4/29/08: the ginger ninja strikes again
Heh.
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by Shoeless In SC on May 4, 2008 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Nope
The throw pulled Overbay off the bag. Didn’t get past him.
Never trust a big butt and a smile.
Sox Machine
K, that's what I meant.
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by Shoeless In SC on May 4, 2008 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Ah, Konerko will GIDP here.
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by Shoeless In SC on May 4, 2008 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions
and it wasn’t a HR.
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by Shoeless In SC on May 4, 2008 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm confused
that wasn’t a solo shot
It is better to be thought of as a fool, rather than open your mouth to remove all doubt
I'm liking the hacking
The only way to rack up the pitch count on Halladay is to hit him around.
Never trust a big butt and a smile.
Sox Machine
Paulie!
RBI double… 2nd and 3rd, still 0 outs
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."
Alright, JD
Pitches low and away and in the dirt are not your friends.
Never trust a big butt and a smile.
Sox Machine
The 1-0 pitch was quite hittable.
But he laid off the 1-1 nicely.
Never trust a big butt and a smile.
Sox Machine
Apparently neither are cutters down broadstreet at 90mph
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by Shoeless In SC on May 4, 2008 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Haha...
Dye looked awful there.
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by Shoeless In SC on May 4, 2008 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Power hitters...
bunting? squeezing?
But, but… why all the time spent in ST working on it?
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sign me up
It is better to be thought of as a fool, rather than open your mouth to remove all doubt
Nice Journey reference there.
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by Shoeless In SC on May 4, 2008 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
It's what this team has been lacking.
Maybe that can be the 2008 rally song.
Never trust a big butt and a smile.
Sox Machine
haha.
I might feel a little awkward requesting that at my local watering hole.
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by Shoeless In SC on May 4, 2008 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions
No! Mancrush!
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."
It's that damn station-to-station baseball.
Konerko should be running on that.
Never trust a big butt and a smile.
Sox Machine
lol.
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by Shoeless In SC on May 4, 2008 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Wasn't clutch enough for Crede.
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LMAO
anyone watching on WGN? That dominoes commercial was hilarious.
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I'm too busy watching commercials
For Home Hardware Building CentRE.
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Sox Machine
I wish we had decent pizzerias here
all we have down here are BBQ stops and fast-food joints.
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by Shoeless In SC on May 4, 2008 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Crede...
already has 1/3 of his walk total from 2006 through 1/5 of this season.
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."
True.
But could we be seeing a breakout from him this year, in his walk year?
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by Shoeless In SC on May 4, 2008 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions
haha. gotcha.
i guess fractions on a sunday is a no-no here.
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by Shoeless In SC on May 4, 2008 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Snider could outhit Lind right now.
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by Shoeless In SC on May 4, 2008 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions
what you're not taking into account
is the exchange rate savings they’re getting due to the strength of the looney
4/29/08: the ginger ninja strikes again
Yeah... the Count had a nice 1-2-3
Granted it was Lind, Hill, and Zaun.
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by Shoeless In SC on May 4, 2008 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Ozuna...
ah Pablo. Thanks for trying. You = Epic Fail.
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Damn!
Swish just missed a solo dong.
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hey machine
loved your article today. Do you think Walk should be held accountable for this hiting?
Its hard to argue Ozzies point though that these are veterans….
Well, I kinda already said all I thought
If they don’t change hitting coaches, I’d like to know what they plan to do to adapt to lefties and changeups instead.
Never trust a big butt and a smile.
Sox Machine
So, I'm late to the game...but, is Pablo being given a shot as starting 2B?
Or is Uribe dinged up?
Because if someone is going to be useless offensively at 2B I’d rather it were Ramirez.
I wonder if Richar appreciates the magnitude of his misfortune with not being healthy.
good lord
you mean the guy with the negative Eqa? shoot, i’d forgotten that was even possible.
remember the whole visa thing? they’re all probably going to play until someone manages to hit over, like, mendoza consistently. so probably this will last the whole season.
4/29/08: the ginger ninja strikes again
Right...the visa..forgot
It may be deck chairs on the titanic, but giving at-bats to Ozuna irks. And Ramirez would potentially be owrse offensively, but at least they help him develop into a good player.
by hitlesswonder on May 4, 2008 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions
i'm not sure ramirez is going to be helped by that
he has looked awful. like historically awful. like i said, i’d forgotten it was mathematically possible to have a negative EqA. the sox can help him develop into a good hitter by playing in AAA. which is where he should have been at the start of the season.
4/29/08: the ginger ninja strikes again
Two weak spots...
Do I even need to point out how much our scrub 2nd basemen cost this club?
Also, while Crede makes some dazzling plays and gets some clutch hits the rest of the time he sure seems to have lots of totally useless at bats (pop ups and lazy fly balls) and makes some very crucial errors (6 already this year).
Hard to win with both of those happening in tandem.
by Dick Allen's batting helmet on May 4, 2008 1:33 PM CDT reply actions
Fastball and forkball
Saw Contreras at the Pan Am games about 8 years ago and what worked then, fastball and forkball both working, is still the thing. It’s the “both working” that’s the hard part.
by Dick Allen's batting helmet on May 4, 2008 1:46 PM CDT reply actions
he almost certainly did
it’s the way umps are. they don’t overrule one another unless asked. ain’t the NFL.
4/29/08: the ginger ninja strikes again
If the HP umpire gets help on a check swing, then any umpire should get help if an ump is out of position to make a call!
Why not have an umpire up in a booth with replay? That is given the right to overrule plays like that. He’s then given the right to overrule only certain specific plays.
They are afraid games would last even longer
that’s what the last excuse was I heard.
But it seems to me with instant replay you wouldn’t have to convene and would actually save time…
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by Shoeless In SC on May 4, 2008 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions
good point...
but it depends on the situation.
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by Shoeless In SC on May 4, 2008 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions
That Crede AB
is why Halladay is so good. 10 pitches, and none of them were good to hit.
Never trust a big butt and a smile.
Sox Machine
Lind looks absolutely horrible at the plate
It is better to be thought of as a fool, rather than open your mouth to remove all doubt
Blue Jays announcers:
Ozuna tries to bunt so often, you’d think something was wrong with a hand or wrist or something.
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Sox Machine
Jay's Pen is pretty solid.
This one is in the books me thinks.
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would be nice to
i don’t know. have a guy who could hit lefties on the bench to bat for cabrera here. instead of, i don’t know, adam fucking russell in the bullpen.
4/29/08: the ginger ninja strikes again
Somehow... someway...
Cabrera is at second base.
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by Shoeless In SC on May 4, 2008 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I feel like Cabrera
is sitting there taking more often than most players
he did it earlier today on a 2-0 count
It is better to be thought of as a fool, rather than open your mouth to remove all doubt
If it were anybody else but Thome up
I’d be thrilled for that error.
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Sox Machine
Yeah. Thome no see ball from left-handers well.
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by Shoeless In SC on May 4, 2008 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions
How are the Sox against Ryan?
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Guess that makes my question unimportant.
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by Shoeless In SC on May 4, 2008 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions
but just in case ya were wondering...
Dye, Konerko, AJ are 5-29 with two BB’s and a HR.
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by Shoeless In SC on May 4, 2008 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions
22-16, 3.22 ERA lifetime
22 complete games. 353 strikeouts in 330 1/3 innings. 1 KO.
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Sox Machine
i believe that was a TKO
and it was bullshit. the ref should have let him continue.
4/29/08: the ginger ninja strikes again
How does Hawk keep his job...
with such biased commentary?
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."
Aye...
but other announcers are less so. Much less so. Take Brenley and that other dude.
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by Shoeless In SC on May 4, 2008 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions
haha.
they aren’t that bad. not nearly as abrasive as Hawk is.
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by Shoeless In SC on May 4, 2008 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions
C'mon AJ you've sucked hard for two plus weeks
Please find a way not to make an out so we can at least have some hope with Q!
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Accardo has been roughed up this year...
but with AJ up to bat it’s a wash
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Wait...
Even Yahoo! said Accardo was in.
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by Shoeless In SC on May 4, 2008 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
was
gibbons isn’t the worst manager in the world, especially with the bullpen. committee work.
4/29/08: the ginger ninja strikes again
nevermind...
i was confused. totally confused. ah well. doesn’t matter.
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by Shoeless In SC on May 4, 2008 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
So, if he keeps pithcing like this
Contreras should be tradeable. The Sox can get an A ball reliever and around $10M of salary relief to make up for the fact the park will be empty this year and next.
Also on the plus side today: No HRs!
That’s one step towards winning baseball. If they can keep not hitting homeruns and then also bring up Owens to steal bases, the sky is the limit.
A home plate umpire that does’nt step forward to help out the 2nd base umpire on a play like today. Does not belong on a major league crew!
Nah
That isn’t the reason we lost. This team is slumping bad right now – all the bats at once. I guess I suspected we would be about .500 this year and that is about where we are at. Sox look old right now…real old.
Still not sure why Ozzie keeps Thome in against lefties? I would have liked to see someone else hit for him in the 8th.
Anyways – I hope we can salvage one tomorrow. But, matchup doesn’t look good.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on May 4, 2008 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions
like who
juan uribe? lol. toby? the cupboard is bare, bobby.
and, yeah, i’m going to go ahead and say that is the reason the sox lost today.
4/29/08: the ginger ninja strikes again
we don't have any good left-hitters
on the bench.
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by Shoeless In SC on May 4, 2008 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions
the sox don't have any good bench players period.
thome, for all his faults, is still as good or better against lefties than anyone else.
4/29/08: the ginger ninja strikes again
I guess your right
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on May 4, 2008 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Well
BA – possibly….Thome had no chance and I knew it before he even stepped into the box.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on May 4, 2008 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions
no, BA sucks against lefties, too. notice how ozzie avoids playing him against lefties?
they all do bobby. ozzie ain’t quite as dumb as you think he is.
4/29/08: the ginger ninja strikes again
Actually, Ozzie has been a big positive this year I think.
For goodness sake, he tried batting Swisher leadoff. He’s playing Quentin over Owens. That’s a significant step forward.
by hitlesswonder on May 4, 2008 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions
i wouldn't say a big positive
but he’s done pretty good with what he’s had. the bunting and hit and run fetishes need to end but the other stuff is positive.
4/29/08: the ginger ninja strikes again
Yeah your right...
hopefully this is the last year we have to deal with Thome.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on May 4, 2008 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions
if you want to complain about something
join me in my minutiae crusade against the decision to bring up russell over fields for this series.
4/29/08: the ginger ninja strikes again
Yeah you’re right. Thome sucks. Get rid of him.
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by Shoeless In SC on May 4, 2008 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions
THAT IS the reason we lost.
Every thing else you say is true.
Pitching and defense.
let's play two
charlotte and buffalo are. egbert got brutalized in the first inning but then settled in. the knights then brutalized indians top prospect miller. and then dewon blew the game.
http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=l_sco&lid=117&sid=t494
4/29/08: the ginger ninja strikes again
Any hope that Fields was held out
Because he is either on his way to the Sox or has been traded?
by hitlesswonder on May 4, 2008 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions
you're hoping he was traded?
i doubt it. DH. everybody gets to play.
4/29/08: the ginger ninja strikes again
I'd rather see him on the Sox
But, I hate to see a year of his career wasted in AAA. And if Williams found a good trade, I’m not so invested in Fields as to be upset.
by hitlesswonder on May 4, 2008 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions
it’s not that any of us are invested in fields that much, it’s just that we have no more 3B prospects in the minors, and with Crede’s issues (his contract, his health) trading Fields would be a mistake unless another 3B was acquired.
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by Shoeless In SC on May 4, 2008 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Williams
has done dumber things.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on May 4, 2008 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Aside from
Sandy Alomar what else was dumb?
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by Shoeless In SC on May 4, 2008 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh.
I don’t really count that as dumb. Maybe the PR piss fight afterwards was dumb, but Thome has been just as productive if not more so than the big one in the past 8 years.
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by Shoeless In SC on May 4, 2008 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought you might say...
Maggs or Lee was dumb.
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by Shoeless In SC on May 4, 2008 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Kip Wells... Josh Fogg...?
That trade? That was hardly that big a boner.
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by Shoeless In SC on May 4, 2008 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions
uh, do i need to go into the theory behind the value of cheap, backend of the rotation innings eaters again?
4/29/08: the ginger ninja strikes again
No...
But it wasn’t like that trade kept the White Sox from really succeeding the next couple years.
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by Shoeless In SC on May 4, 2008 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions
really
one could make a rather good argument that having one or both of those during 2003 instead of stewart, porzio, cotts and wright could have been enough to bridge the four game gap to the twins.
4/29/08: the ginger ninja strikes again
Yep
Also, Kip Wells was a very good pitcher in 2003: 200 innings and 3.28 ERA. Replace the Sox 5th starter with that and you have your answer.
Wells got hurt in 2004 and his subsequent years have caused people to forget how good he was for a 2 year stretch…
by hitlesswonder on May 4, 2008 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Short version:
Wells-Ritchie
Foulke-Koch
Royce Clayton
Signing Erstad
I think most everything else is noise. I flipped out at the garland trade and the Swisher trade, but I’ve seen the error of my ways….
by hitlesswonder on May 4, 2008 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions
not sure one can call the wells-sirotka trade dumb
considering one at least pitched adequately for a half season while the other never pitched again.
4/29/08: the ginger ninja strikes again
Foulke-Koch
Don’t forget that Cotts came over in this trade too. And without him, there’s probably no World Series in ‘05. I think Kenny should get a pass for that one but the other three are pretty bad.
by El Duque's Raft on May 4, 2008 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions
It would open up a hole at 3B
But if it filled a hole elsewhere I’d be OK with it.
It doesn’t really matter…
by hitlesswonder on May 4, 2008 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions
5 game loss streak summary.
I’m including the 3 runs in today’s 3rd as unearned.
5 games the earned runs of opposition – 3, 4, 0, 2, 1. ERA – 2.00
Sox “earned runs” – 1, 3, 0, 2, 1. AVG – 1.40.
Sox hits – 7, 9, 2, 6, 4. AVG – 5.60.
Sox BB/HBP – 1, 3, 4, 0, 0. AVG – 1.60.
Sox K – 9, 6, 11, 6, 9. AVG – 8.6.
Pitching and defense.
1.6 BB/HBP to 8.6 K per game is pretty rough
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."
by Shoeless In SC on May 4, 2008 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Twins down 6 - 0 after the 1st inning vs. Detroit.
Twins now lead 7 – 6 after 7.
Pitching and defense.
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