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White Sox Hit Snooze Button

I'm a heavy sleeper -- I've been known to sleep through nearly anything. Dogs barking, lightning crashing, my alarm ringing, I can sleep through them all -- So too is the White Sox offense.

Bonser and Blackburn barked; the Sox offense caught some Zzzz's. Marcum rang, Litsch crashed; the Sox bats slumbered.

It would have been surprising if they were roused from their hibernation by a perennial Cy Young contender coming off 4 consecutive complete games. And in that respect, the Sox did not disappoint. Roy Halladay breezed through the Sox lineup the first time through the order, perfect through 3.

In the 4th inning, however, the offense showed some signs of life. The Sox sent 8 men to the plate, and pushed 3 runs across. They managed only one baserunner after the 4th inning. The offense was not awake, it was merely rolling over, adjusting before nodding back off. The outburst might have just been gas.

* * * * *

It says a lot about the makeup of the team that when Ozzie needs to shake up the lineup, he turns to Pablo Ozuna, who was always a fringy talent but now has become an outright liability. Ozuna can't play defense, or at least he's below average at all of the positions he supposedly can play. He doesn't have the speed he once did, and he's hit just .239/.271/.313 with 4 stolen bases in the last 22 months.

With numbers like that, it's little wonder that I stoop so low as to bring up the name Jerry Owens. Some have felt vindicated by that mention. But Owens is not a savior. He's not even a good baseball player. He's a 4th outfielder at best. My mention of Owens was an indictment of how bad Jermaine Dye looked at the plate, not praise for the unique skill set of one Jerry Owens.

Still, Owens is on the tip of beat writers' tongues. Joe Cowley has already proclaimed it "Jerry Owens Time," while Mark Gonzales is leading off his recaps with thinly veiled pleas to add Owens to the mix. It's little wonder that Ozzie Guillen has grown tired of all the lineup suggestions.

I can understand all the calls for Owens. I don't agree with them, but I understand them. It's the same reason I was willing to drive Greg Walker out of town at this time last year. When something's not working, you make some changes. Last season, I thought the best move was to can Walker. And while I still think a fresh voice would do a world of good, I've become resigned to the fact that Walker has perpetually renewable contract at least until 2012.

For the sake of my own mental health, I've decided to drop the calls for Walker's head. He's part of the problem, but only a small part of it. This is where I agree with Ozzie.

"[Nick] Swisher, [Orlando] Cabrera, Konerko, [Jim] Thome, [Jermaine] Dye, A.J. [Pierzynski] and [Joe] Crede, they don't need coaches. They need to get their heads out of their asses and start hitting."

Walker or no Walker, Owens or no Owens, that core has to hit. If they don't, the Sox will continue their slide down the AL Central standings. Simple as that.

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i agree with ozzie's comment, too

but when did it become acceptable to not blame the hitting coach for over a year of bad hitting? if walker is immune to any blame, then isn’t this a profound indictment of the product that kw has payed S100M+ for? i know the vast majority of the blame goes on the individual hitters not getting the job done. that being said, what exactly is the point of a “hitting coach” if there is no accountability for the team’s hitting? is it ceremonial? the criteria for keeping a hitting coach has to be results based, right? so even if walker is just the fall guy, someone has to take responsibility for the sox lack of hitting. you can’t fire the whole team. this is about the largest shake-up that can be done in season. the players have been quick to defend walker, but there is no defending the numbers if we are to believe in the ‘talent’ kenny has brought together. doesn’t this seem like exactly the time when ‘a new perspective’ or ‘a fresh point of view’ or ‘a different philosophy’ would make sense? or do the sox have to wait until the season truly is lost before there can be some admission of failure with the team’s offense?

i wish someone had told me that sss had replaced rationality with caps lock.

by MarketMaker on May 5, 2008 12:43 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs

yeah, it is basically a ceremonial position

there’s a reason it’s listed just above the bullpen coach in the media guide.

4/29/08: the ginger ninja strikes again

by larry on May 5, 2008 8:56 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

but hitting coach is such a convenient scapegoat. he has what the sox lack right in his title.

i wish someone had told me that sportsnation had replaced rationality with caps lock.

by MarketMaker on May 5, 2008 11:45 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

so fire him.

ceremonial so it’s irrelevant.

4/29/08: the ginger ninja strikes again

by larry on May 5, 2008 11:49 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Yeah.

It probably won’t help anything, but if it’ll make the fans happy to throw Walker to the wolves, it probably won’t hurt, either.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on May 5, 2008 11:55 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

i still don't get

everyone thinking Owens is something special, he is no better then a poor man’s Juan Pierre. I agree with cheat that this bring back old sox love is getting old, and Walker should have been canned, truth is I never thought any coach was that special over the last few years except for Joe Nossek, but Cooper has proved me wrong, but the thing that pisses me off with Walker is that we can’t hit, bunt, or even take 5 seconds and call timeout to throw a pitcher off his rhythem when he’s mowing us down.

I also usually enjoy’s Ozzie’s sarcasm, but what the hell did he expect from Uribe and Pablo, I would really like to see Richar get healthy and we just eat the rest of the million we owe and cut him loose, not sure how his options work out.

by BestKosherPolish on May 5, 2008 1:06 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs

"no better then a poor man's Juan Pierre"

I think “no better than Juan Pierre” would have been enough. Owens can at least play defense.

by Where Triples Go to Die on May 5, 2008 8:25 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Uh, that's rhythm, not rhythem ;)

Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.

by rhythm on May 5, 2008 4:11 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

So many things wrong with starting Owens that I don't even know how to argue against it

How can anyone think that adding a destitute man’s juan pierre generates offense.

Wait…here’s my best argument against it…Owens is like Ken Griffey Jr. Where the hell would he play? We all know the answer would be that the youngest player sits—so the Sox would end up benching Quentin with his 1.000 OPS and non-unique skill set to get some speed in the lineup. If that’s not wrong, nothing is.

by hitlesswonder on May 5, 2008 1:51 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs

We should probably eat Ozuna's contract

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on May 5, 2008 2:26 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs

Give it to Profundo.

He’ll eat anything.

Hey, Profundo!!!!

I took the "under".

by winningugly on May 5, 2008 6:45 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

LOL!

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on May 5, 2008 12:56 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

ROFL!

Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.

by rhythm on May 5, 2008 4:12 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

To the guy who built this team! Na Na Na Na, Na Na Na Na, Hey Hey Goodbye!

by SoxfaninAZ on May 5, 2008 7:42 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs

this is starting to look like the Bush administration

with Walker = Rumsfeld/Brown/Tenet:

general questions:

Q: Hey, your guy doesn’t seem to be doing very well. How do explain the poor performance?
A: No, he’s doing great.

Q: OK, how do you explain this metric/statistic/number/fact?
A: Well, its very hard work.

Q: Don’t you think he should be replaced?
A: No, he’s working very hard.

Q: But couldn’t someone else work just as hard, but maybe get better results?
A: No, that would be the exact WRONG thing to do. I have my full confidence in him. He’s really working very hard. And its hard work. Be patient. Stay the course.

Mosi Tatupu! Mosi Tatupu!

by Nordhagen on May 5, 2008 7:50 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs

"Walkie's doing a great job."

(Walker is in Georgia, incommunicado.)

A hitting coach doesn’t need to teach hitting, but he does need to (perhaps) understand what gets in individual guys’ ways of performance. Even pro’s need to get their heads on straight every now and again with a little help from an objective 3rd party. Coop’s obviously a better psychologist than is Walkie, as evidenced by how the pitchers respond to Cppo via their performance.

Can Coop teach “imagine you are on a ship, gently rocking, gently rocking”?

I took the "under".

by winningugly on May 5, 2008 8:41 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

yeah, shit, even Tiger Woods has a swing coach.

And he’s not afraid to replace him if he needs a jolt. Even though Tiger knows how to swing. I just think a new perspective couldnt hurt.

Mosi Tatupu! Mosi Tatupu!

by Nordhagen on May 5, 2008 9:28 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Hey, I use that line

whenever someone says they manage their own investments! Nice. (And salient – who tells you have a hole in your swing? Your trusted advisor!)

I took the "under".

by winningugly on May 5, 2008 9:49 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I'm a consultant

so I also tell clients I’m a trusted advisor. I also like to say to them, my opinion must be worth a lot, because you are paying for it. :)

I’m sure you and the multitude of financiers/lawyers/etc on this site know what I mean.

“Billable Hours FIVE!”
- The Todd on Scrubs

Mosi Tatupu! Mosi Tatupu!

by Nordhagen on May 5, 2008 10:01 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

This really sucks

The Sox needed everything to fall into place to get to the playoffs this year, and a lot of that has happened – they’ve gotten spectacular starting pitching, their main division opponents CLE and DET have gotten off to slow starts, and the Sox have had a healthy roster.

All this falls into place, and they’re a game under .500 in early May. They had their chance and they blew it. They needed to get some breathing room on the division while they had a healthy roster.

"The little things are always in my mind," he said. "I always like to move the guy over, I like to bunt."

by ChicagoPete on May 5, 2008 8:22 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs

Agreed

but then I look at Cle and Det and realize as bad as we have looked… we are still better than both of those teams. BTW what the hell happened to Travis Hafner? I smell HGH.

by Where Triples Go to Die on May 5, 2008 8:29 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

You must have one powerful nose

It is better to be thought of as a fool, rather than open your mouth to remove all doubt

by whitesoxmatt on May 5, 2008 8:48 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

baseball tonight yesterday

showed about 10 different mechanical things that are different with hafner early last year and again this year that are different than his better-hitting days. everything from his weight distribution, hand placement before the pitch, and angle of his swing is way off. he may have been on some PEDs, but it could be entirely mechanical (leading to mental) with him.

Repeat after me: reading comprehension, even a little bit of thought before posting, and basic research are not signs of weakness.

by Toonderstrook on May 5, 2008 10:15 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Yeah

I saw that too where his bat is flat before he swings compared to slightly cocked a couple of years ago. The only reason I brought up HGH is because he may be dropping the bat early because he can not catch up to fast balls like he used to. He almost has the Julio Franco swing now. Regardless, we need a dose of some Tiger pitching right now.

by Where Triples Go to Die on May 5, 2008 11:19 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Wait - Tooner and SoB on the same page?

Hell freezes over today.

I took the "under".

by winningugly on May 5, 2008 11:48 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

*Toonder*

I took the "under".

by winningugly on May 5, 2008 11:49 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Whom are we looking at above us

oh, yes, the Twins. Aren’t they in a rebuilding year? We will play them 3 games this week and then go west we should know something about the team very quickly. I pray we wake up but this team is too old and too well paid to work hard enough to recover. Quentin and Swisher must look around and wonder what they have gotten into.

by floridajim on May 5, 2008 8:39 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs

Keep dreaming

This team had a golden opportunity, and they couldn’t do anything with it. We just completed a stretch of 17 games on one of the weakest segments of the schedule, 3 games against the Yankees and the other 14 against teams that are probably going to end the year under .500 – and the Sox go 6-11 during this stretch.

And they go 6-11 when they get probably the best run of starting pitching all year, and they go 6-11 with their “A” lineup intact except for two games that JD sat out because of injury.

Of course anything can happen from here on out, but when you have your chances you have to jump on it. They really screwed the pooch here big time.

"The little things are always in my mind," he said. "I always like to move the guy over, I like to bunt."

by ChicagoPete on May 5, 2008 9:38 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Pete, last week you made a statement that shocked me.

Mas o menos – “I love this offense. They’ll mash when the weather gets nice.”

I didn’t detect sarcasm.

Please update.

Pitching and defense.

by ballyb on May 5, 2008 9:54 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I was gonna refer to this also

But I didnt want to be accused of picking a fight…...

by Tdogg on May 5, 2008 10:05 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

You can't entertain two distinct thoughts at the same time?

A) I think they’ll hit this summer, this is just a slump currently.

B) They had a golden opportunity these past 17 games, and they pissed it away.

B does not negate A.

"The little things are always in my mind," he said. "I always like to move the guy over, I like to bunt."

by ChicagoPete on May 5, 2008 10:14 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

IF, IF, IF, IF, IF, IF, IF, IF, IF, IF

the hitting picks up to close to league average (.255ish, .330 OBP), the Sox will have a 88+ win season, IMO.

The pitching will not degrade materially, IMO.

Pitching and defense.

by ballyb on May 5, 2008 10:40 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Ill keep dreaming

I agree they blew a nice opportunity but I really don’t understand your confidence in our division opponents right now. Why? Who are you in love with? Even with the horrific week the Sox still have one of the better run differential in the league. The starting pitching remains fantastic. The bullpen has improved.

Ultimately it comes down to if the bats wake up. And right now the operative word is some. They dont even need to be Top 5 right now, they just need some production up top. Its way too early to say that can’t happen.

by Tdogg on May 5, 2008 10:02 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

The reason I'm discouraged

is that this in an old team, and an injury prone team. Thus far no one has gone on the 15-day DL, so you have to make hay while the sun shines. They’ve had their A lineup available for practically every game, and their starting pitching has been insane.

And they fucked it up. They just plain fucked it up. Once these guys start going on the DL and the pitching regresses to the mean the season’s over. They had their chance to really open up a cushion while they were healthy and got good pitching, and instead they’re under .500.

"The little things are always in my mind," he said. "I always like to move the guy over, I like to bunt."

by ChicagoPete on May 5, 2008 10:18 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Here is where as you know

We disagree. I understand what you mean when you say their pitching has been insane. But that is only in terms of preseason expectations. Statistically and from peripherals the only one above his head right now is Floyd.

Your concern about health is of course legit, no argument there but I dont know if its fair to say 1 15 day DL stint does them in. The offense still has a few unlikely things going on. The BABIP for the starting lineup is all below .300 except Dye. Unlikely to continue. You seem to think they will score runs. Fine. There is good reason right now to believe in the pitching. That combo will bring wins. Enough? Hmmm I still dont know but again I ask who in this division are you in love with?

by Tdogg on May 5, 2008 10:42 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

regarding BABIP

i think we may need to keep in mind that the sox players are not really the sorts to have BABIPs above .300. the only ones who do for their career, IIRC, are thome and AJ (and the way AJ is these days, i wouldn’t expect above .300 again). dye is close. probably don’t have enough info to say whether Q should but he certainly has not in the past. is the team BABIP of .250 likely to continue? almost certainly not. but let’s not set the bar too high.

4/29/08: the ginger ninja strikes again

by larry on May 5, 2008 10:55 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Agree

My own expectations are certainly not .300 for a nunber of the players, but certainly higher than .220-.250

by Tdogg on May 5, 2008 11:00 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

And your're basing that on -

‘07 numbers / 2nd half of ‘06 numbers – Hell, Ryan Sweeney, who I kept hearing has a long swing is hitting almost .270 with 14 RBIs. Why does he leave the org and now becomes an average hitter. Meanwhile Swish who batted .250 and .260 the last 2 years with Oak is now at .210 with his OBP dropping. There has to be more than just these guys need to work there way out of it. (They do – but obviously they are not getting the type of help they need to work their way out of it)

Lets get real – if this was a bus and the staff you have doesn’t produce, and the new guys brought on are now not producing, there is something fundamentally wrong going on. It may be coaching, managing, philosophy, I don’t know, but there is something wrong with this organization.

by Brush Back on May 5, 2008 11:17 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

we're talking about BABIP not BA

4/29/08: the ginger ninja strikes again

by larry on May 5, 2008 11:19 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Talk what you want

The offense currently sucks – continue on if you wish, I’m done with the discussion

by Brush Back on May 5, 2008 11:20 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

thanks for your input

4/29/08: the ginger ninja strikes again

by larry on May 5, 2008 11:21 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

lol.

he totally missed the topic of the discussion.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on May 5, 2008 11:22 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Brush

You confused the hell out of me. I really do think you missed the discussion points.

by Tdogg on May 5, 2008 11:29 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

he seems to think

that players who hit .250 and .260 the last two years cannot bat .210 during a given period. notwithstanding, of course, that swisher did that (or worse) the last two years during june and july. oops. facts can be a nasty thing.

4/29/08: the ginger ninja strikes again

by larry on May 5, 2008 11:34 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Probably did -

Team just has me frustrated as hell – and I’ll be at 2 more games of frustration with Twins this week… so any discussion regarding the offense just pisses me off and I lose rational thought. Especially since I realize KW has boxed the org in a corner with the contracts

by Brush Back on May 5, 2008 11:29 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Ryan Sweeney?

He’s not having a particularly good season – he’s putting up Jerry Owens-type numbers.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on May 5, 2008 11:21 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

wait, you mean an 85 OPS+ isn't average?

4/29/08: the ginger ninja strikes again

by larry on May 5, 2008 11:23 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Heh.

I thought that was an odd thing to say, that hitters leave the Sox organization and go on to more success. Most people think the opposite – that Sox prospects tend to fall flat on their face after leaving town.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on May 5, 2008 11:26 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Maybe good scouting by KW and co.?

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on May 5, 2008 11:28 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Or poor scouting.

The Sox don’t have good prospects, and the organization knows it, so they deal the minor-leaguers while they can.

Speaking of which, Gio Gonzalez and Fautino De Los Santos are both sort of struggling in the early going. Gonzalez has had control problems (16 walks in 27 innings) and Fautino has a 5.87 ERA in high-A.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on May 5, 2008 11:33 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Lol

You know that actually makes a whole lot of sense. Then the Sox have some fantastic poker faces!

by Tdogg on May 5, 2008 11:36 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

yeah

i guess sweeney is still young. but it’s hard to see him becoming much of anything considering that power that everyone said would develop has never appeared and it’s certainly getting to the point, if not past that point, where it would appear. fourth outfielder. whoop de doo that he’s gone.

4/29/08: the ginger ninja strikes again

by larry on May 5, 2008 11:31 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

See, this is the real killer

During those 17 games, here are the runs allowed:

2,1,1,6,2,5,0,9,6,6,5,1,3,3,4,2,5,4

That’s 3.61 Runs ALLOWED per game, not just ERA – which is ridiculous in the AL. You can’t pitch much better than that, and what do they have to show for it? 6-11, pathetic. And Ozzie rants at the media while Rome is burning.

"The little things are always in my mind," he said. "I always like to move the guy over, I like to bunt."

by ChicagoPete on May 5, 2008 10:36 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Making my point for me.

So even a modest offensive improvement and some reasonable regression in pitching equals good news long term. My problem with what you say is you seem to imply in some past posts this colossal failing with pitching to get more inline with preseason expectations.

by Tdogg on May 5, 2008 10:47 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Well, the point I'm trying to make dogg

is that they should’ve have gone at least 12-6 during this stretch (including winning the postponed game vs. BAL) getting this kind of pitching against weaker opponents…Instead they went 6-11.

So instead of being 14-15 and 1.5 games behind MINN, they should be be 20-10 and leading MINN by 4 games. And they’d be 6.5 games ahead of CLE and 7 games in front of DET. That would be pretty sweet, and that’s the golden opportunity that’s been missed.

We really wasted some excellent pitching. Could they continue pitching like this the rest of the year? Sure, I guess it’s possible – but it’s not probable.

"The little things are always in my mind," he said. "I always like to move the guy over, I like to bunt."

by ChicagoPete on May 5, 2008 10:54 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

No argument with the disappointment

Their record should definitely be better and an opportunity was missed. Right now the Sox have never depended more on Herm.

by Tdogg on May 5, 2008 10:57 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Quinton

Got himself into a starting job long term in a hitters park. I’m sure he’s pretty happy with what he’s got himself into.

by Grinder in Training on May 5, 2008 11:01 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Nice summary, Cheat

The Sox team average is a joke. OBP slightly less of a joke. Slugging is middling only because of the HR’s. All that said, I still believe the #1 and #2 hitters (Swish and Cabrera) are the key. They must do a better job of getting on base.

C'mon, Smokey! This isn't 'Nam, it's bowling. There are rules!

by thekever on May 5, 2008 9:13 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs

Swish

was doing great for a while but his OBP has dropped from near .400 to .350.

OC is 9th in the AL among starting SS’s in OBP with .298.

Throw in also that Thome and Swish are tied for 3rd in MLB with 6 GIDP each… things gotta change in the top 3 of the order else we aren’t goin anywhere.

That’s not even mentionining the bottom 3 of our lineup (minus Quentin)

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on May 5, 2008 11:05 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

This slump is my fault...

Before I went away for a week, I asked WU to keep an eye on things here. I forgot to say anything about the Sox however.
Anyway, all will be fine starting tonight. And if my return doesn’t turn them around, perhaps one of Cheat’s patented “vacation winning streaks” is in order.

"Lipstick traces on cigarettes can get you in trouble or remind you of the wonders of the night before."

by Chiburb on May 5, 2008 9:37 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs

that's funny, I was blaming myself

I went to the game last Saturday. The Sox record when I’m in attendance over the last few years is something like 2-11. Then Saturday, then won on the BA walk-off single, and I thought my luck was changing. Unfortunately, it did change. The juju is a little bit different, but its still bad.

Mosi Tatupu! Mosi Tatupu!

by Nordhagen on May 5, 2008 9:53 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

How was your trip?

I tried to fill the obvious hole you left but was patently unsucksessful (snicker). You’d better stick around, young man.

I took the "under".

by winningugly on May 5, 2008 9:55 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs