Cowley Tweets: Chages a comin'

Talk around the clubhouse is one, and maybe two, players could be sent packing tomorrow. The Reaper is a coming kids. Lock the doors.

[UPDATE]: Looks like Uribe might have played his last game in a White Sox uniform.

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move 1: alexei to 2B

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080505&content_id=2646629&vkey=news_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on May 5, 2008 9:57 PM CDT 0 recs

We're loaded.

Ramirez:

.121/.147/.182, OPS+ -11

Pitching and defense.

by ballyb on May 5, 2008 10:20 PM CDT up 0 recs

whats the word

didn’t hear anything on radio, anyone have ideas???

by BestKosherPolish on May 5, 2008 9:59 PM CDT 0 recs

Call up Getz/Bourgeois

Uribe to Old Country Buffet and Ramirez to AAA.

by Craig Grebeck on May 5, 2008 10:06 PM CDT 0 recs

Uribe... he gawn?

Is he going to the bench for good or are they are going to eat his salary?

by SSH2005 on May 5, 2008 10:09 PM CDT 0 recs

And I hate Uribe, don't get me wrong...

but how does he get the axe after getting 2 of our 4 hits tonight? LOL.

This team makes all of their decisions at the totally wrong time—waive Uribe to start the season and then keep him, almost going with Owens over Quentin (only reason it didn’t happen was because of Owens’ injury), adding Adam Russell over Josh Fields.

by SSH2005 on May 5, 2008 10:15 PM CDT up 0 recs

Seriously.

I mean the guy is willing to be a utility player, his defense is still good. What the hell.. he’s better then Pablo Ozuna. This makes no sense.

by Grinder in Training on May 6, 2008 8:28 AM CDT up 0 recs

why cut uribe and eat 5 mil and not ozuna and eat 1 mil?

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on May 5, 2008 10:16 PM CDT 0 recs

Good point. Wouldn't make any sense.

by SSH2005 on May 5, 2008 10:21 PM CDT up 0 recs

really? Uribe?

I was waiting for a special time to use this:

I think it makes more sense for Ozuna to go.

"Walkie, you're doing a heck of a job."

by thecip on May 5, 2008 10:19 PM CDT 0 recs

I'm enjoying this series greatly.

Never trust a big butt and a smile.
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on May 5, 2008 10:52 PM CDT up 0 recs

Thanks

I finished that uribe card and a crede one last Tuesday and they haven’t won since. IT’S ALL MY FAULT!!!

"Walkie, you're doing a heck of a job."

by thecip on May 5, 2008 11:30 PM CDT up 0 recs

Excellent job -

who’s next?

I took the "under".

by winningugly on May 6, 2008 12:56 PM CDT up 0 recs

I have crede done. I was waiting for him to do something clutchy.

"Walkie, you're doing a heck of a job."

by thecip on May 6, 2008 1:12 PM CDT up 0 recs

Good - he's controversial, too.

I took the "under".

by winningugly on May 6, 2008 4:16 PM CDT up 0 recs

Again, excellent work

by hitlesswonder on May 5, 2008 10:58 PM CDT up 0 recs

l.m.a.o.

"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."

by Shoeless In SC on May 6, 2008 11:34 AM CDT up 0 recs

Ah yes, ole Ezekiel Uribe - R.I.P.

The Sox got so mad at Thome, JD, Paulie, Swish and OCab that they DFA’s that POS Uribe.

"The little things are always in my mind," he said. "I always like to move the guy over, I like to bunt."

by ChicagoPete on May 5, 2008 10:21 PM CDT 0 recs

I think they both might be gone

So because Uribe gets two hits tonight to make it 3 for his last 47, it’s a bad time to get rid of him? Wouldn’t mind to see Getz get his chance. I believe him to hold all the qualities that sportswriters hold true to their heart for the white ballplayer. Grinder, handles the bat, bunts for hits, shows moxie, never gives up, gamer, does more with less….

by El Duque's Raft on May 5, 2008 10:23 PM CDT 0 recs

Didn'see it.

Was Uribe’s baserunning mistake (Cabrera GO, Uribe NOT SCORING from 3rd) really, really bad or just marginally bad?

Pitching and defense.

by ballyb on May 5, 2008 10:26 PM CDT 0 recs

is it uribe's call?

what was cox doing? holding his johnson?

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on May 5, 2008 10:29 PM CDT up 0 recs

Didn't see it,

but the runner has to make the decision. He can’t wait for the coach.

Pitching and defense.

by ballyb on May 5, 2008 10:31 PM CDT up 0 recs

That was Uribe

He can’t pick up Cox where he is standing. Also that was discussed before the batter dug in. Break on a ground ball, wait till the liner clears, and tag on a fly ball. He broke, then stopped. Thats the player being stupid.

by southsideirish71 on May 5, 2008 10:33 PM CDT up 0 recs

Especially when it's hit to that pus-arm Eckstein

"The little things are always in my mind," he said. "I always like to move the guy over, I like to bunt."

by ChicagoPete on May 5, 2008 10:34 PM CDT up 0 recs

thanks

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on May 5, 2008 10:42 PM CDT up 0 recs

Farmer said it was Cox's fault...

and that he held up Uribe. Farmer said that Uribe could have scored easily. I didn’t see the play though. I only heard it on the radio.

by SSH2005 on May 5, 2008 11:11 PM CDT up 0 recs

Sigh...

I really want to grow to like this team over the summer, but little moves like this really grate my nerves. Ramirez at second? Really? That strikes me as extremely short-sighted. For one, he’s looked as bad as Ozuna and Uribe have looked at the plate. Second, ‘pigeonholing’ (that’s probably not the correct word I should use, but I’m gonna go with it and live with any consequences) him at second-base when it looks like he may be capable of handling CF and/or SS seems like a bad move.

Cowley says two players packing - one of those is probably Russell, but damn if there wouldn’t be celebration if Ozuna was one of the two. I’d much rather have Uribe on the bench - he can play defense capably at two (probably three—3B) spots and can actually smack the ball out of the yard every so often. I know he’s making a lot of money but who cares at this point – that’s in the past and is sunk.

I’ll echo the sentiments of wanting to see one (or hell, both) of Getz and the Frenchman - who I thought was Richar, but Bourg’s name looks more ‘frenchy’ so I’ll go with it - recalled. And I’ll still cry for my ideal scenario (as of right now), even if it is falling on deaf ears (i.e. Sox management)—down go Russell and Ozuna (DFAd); Ramirez to Charlotte as their everyday SS; Bourg and Getz come up and take over as our second-base platoon.

by CWSKeith on May 5, 2008 10:28 PM CDT 1 recs

Maybe its more of an issue of how Ozzie uses Uribe

Kenny’s hand may have been forced because Ozzie would keep on putting Uribe out day in and day out, and Kenny had to remove the toy. Ozzie has had one problem, and that is falling in love with X bad player and finding ways of putting him in the lineup.

Ramirez should be in AAA right now learning how to play that position at a higher level and working on his stroke.

Getz should be called up until Richar can come up.

Pablo should be gone, he provides no tools.

by southsideirish71 on May 5, 2008 10:38 PM CDT up 0 recs

They picked up his option

and then one week later make an impulsive trade for OCab. That was the mistake. KW even admitted that Renteria was the guy he really wanted.

"The little things are always in my mind," he said. "I always like to move the guy over, I like to bunt."

by ChicagoPete on May 5, 2008 10:39 PM CDT up 0 recs

If jt happens, I'll miss Uribe's defense.

He helps limit “Dye’s triples” because of his cannon.

Pitching and defense.

by ballyb on May 5, 2008 10:28 PM CDT 0 recs

If jt happens = If it happens

Pitching and defense.

by ballyb on May 5, 2008 10:32 PM CDT up 0 recs

Dye 1 for last 23, 10 K's.

Pitching and defense.

by ballyb on May 5, 2008 10:32 PM CDT 0 recs

per espn1000.

Pitching and defense.

by ballyb on May 5, 2008 10:33 PM CDT up 0 recs

Juan Uribe - your 25th man

I agree with Keith, Juan Uribe is good at the end of the bench for those 15 inning games with lots of pinch hitters or times when an infielder tweaks a muscle late in a game when the Sox are up or down by about 5, etc.

Ramirez is Triple A caliber until he proves he proves otherwise (at Triple A.)

Ozuna – he gone…

by Dick Allen's batting helmet on May 5, 2008 10:33 PM CDT 0 recs

Well, they had to shake something up

Usually it’s a coach that gets thrown on the bonfire, I guess a fat violent -15VORP will burn just as well

"The little things are always in my mind," he said. "I always like to move the guy over, I like to bunt."

by ChicagoPete on May 5, 2008 10:37 PM CDT up 0 recs

Juan Uribe--not the problem

I disagree—Uribe is a fine everyday second baseman and ninth-place hitter on a team like the Sox, especially considering the other options. He has been excellent on defense this year and his offense was not an issue until the ENTIRE offense went in the tank this last eight days or so. In fact, counting his game-tying home run in the final game of the Baltomore series and 2 hits today (he was benched for half of the road trip), he has been one of our BETTER hitters over the last week or so. The problems on this team are Thome, Konerko and Dye, just like they were last year. I don’t know how the Sox can do it, but they have got to find a way to retool the middle of the order: that is the only way they start scoring an acceptable number of runs.

by jwsox on May 5, 2008 10:45 PM CDT up 0 recs

This is amazing

A bad player who has hit .235 for the last 2 years swinging for the Dan Ryan on every pitch. So bad that they pick his option up, and immediately decide to trade for his replacement. Try to sell him for spare baseballs and only an injury keeps him on the team. He gets 2 hits in one game, and now you are sad. I only hope that Pablo/Walker/Gellinger are all out as well. That would be a great day.

by southsideirish71 on May 5, 2008 10:50 PM CDT up 0 recs

Why Gellinger?

by hitlesswonder on May 5, 2008 11:00 PM CDT up 0 recs

advance scout

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on May 5, 2008 11:02 PM CDT up 0 recs

or rather "video scouting"

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on May 5, 2008 11:03 PM CDT up 0 recs

So we think the Sox video scouting is a problem?

by hitlesswonder on May 5, 2008 11:04 PM CDT up 0 recs

Didn't tell the hitters to watch for "low and away" trick: (

Pitching and defense.

by ballyb on May 5, 2008 11:18 PM CDT up 0 recs

When was the last time

That the sox were prepared for a pitcher they never have seen. If you are a new pitcher, you will dominate our hitters. In fact they will look puzzled on what pitches you throw. They were first on the block pretty much with a great video setup at the Cell. Their video/assistant hitting coach was on the radio last year as saying that he doesnt use video to help the hitters break down their swings as much as he shows them when they had success, because its about the mental aspect than the video breakdown. I would rather they broke down the pitchers, and let the shrink work up to the professionals.

by southsideirish71 on May 5, 2008 11:23 PM CDT up 0 recs

And I disagree with you

I would hardly call Uribe a ‘fine everyday second baseman’. A 25th guy, sure I can maybe see that, but not a fine everyday player. I do agree with you in that others have to start hitting and their struggles are probably more important but this is the 21st century and the American League. You can’t have a 9th hitter hitting at his 8th grade weight and say he’s doing fine.

by El Duque's Raft on May 5, 2008 10:52 PM CDT up 0 recs

Uribe's gotten worse

and worse as a hitter the last few years, a disturbingly common pattern on the Sox, but he hit over 20 home runs in 3 of the last 4 years and drove in more than 70 mostly from the 9-hole. Coupled with above average defense, he really is an okay everyday second baseman, as long as you get production from the positions that are supposed to produce offensively. I’m not “sad” that the Sox are getting rid of Uribe…the point is just that it’s not going to make them any better—their offensive problems this last week or so have had nothing to do with him.

by jwsox on May 5, 2008 11:23 PM CDT up 0 recs

Wrong...

Uribe’s offense has always been an issue, even before our entire lineup went into the dumps. He was sucking offensively even before the entire offense tanked. He hasn’t been good with the stick since 2004.

by SSH2005 on May 5, 2008 11:19 PM CDT up 0 recs

I'm not arguing

he was ever a great offensive player, but no team gets above average offense from every position, and a second baseman who drives in 70 runs is not as big a liability as anyone who blames Uribe for the Sox offensive problems the last two years is pretending. But EVERY team gets better production from the middle of its order than the Sox have gotten since the beginning of 2005.

by jwsox on May 5, 2008 11:27 PM CDT up 0 recs

sorry...

beginning of 2007

by jwsox on May 5, 2008 11:27 PM CDT up 0 recs

pissed

about the base path blunder, but keep Uribe over Pablo just because above all else he’s better as a hitter, fielder, thrower, and pablo isn’t even a good runner anymore.

I would love to see walker get axed, surely russell or wasserman will be demoted

by BestKosherPolish on May 5, 2008 10:42 PM CDT 0 recs

and above all else

why didnt we give Coop a no trade clause, with everyone else who runs slow from the 2005 team

by BestKosherPolish on May 5, 2008 10:43 PM CDT 0 recs

I guess the Sox wanted to be like DET and CLE and waive a player

But they waived their 4th worst player, which is baffling. I’m glad Ramirez gets a chance to play. I’d rather it were in AAA, but at least he’ll get at-bats…unless:

1) Ramirez continues to blow
2) Ozzie plays Ozuna more

which is what I would guess will happen.

For all Uribe’s faults, he has a plus glove. Ozuna has no tools at this point. I don’t get it. It’s another one of the marginal roster decisions that just baffle me.

Any chance Hall is gone? Or Ozuna? Or Ramirez to AAA? Any of those would make more sense.

by hitlesswonder on May 5, 2008 11:08 PM CDT 0 recs

Quoted from SoxTalk...

“from rongey russelll was sent down already after the game and rongey said he got text say rumors that white sox rumoring of letting go of uribe and maybe other possible changes.”

by SSH2005 on May 5, 2008 11:13 PM CDT 0 recs

So obviously, Russell goes to bring back Ramirez...

and it sounds like Ramirez will be our starter at 2B but how can the justify dumping Uribe over Ozuna? It wouldn’t make any sense to cut loose the better player and eat the bigger contract. I wonder what the other moves will be…

by SSH2005 on May 5, 2008 11:16 PM CDT up 0 recs

Bringing up Owens to platoon with Quentin?

by hitlesswonder on May 5, 2008 11:17 PM CDT up 0 recs

Well, I wouldn't be surprised if our stupid management makes a move like this...

that actually makes us worse.

by SSH2005 on May 5, 2008 11:20 PM CDT up 0 recs

The Owens Media Love Affair

I was shocked to see how similar Getz and Owens’s numbers are in AAA yet you don’t hear a single word about the former. Considering they need a middle infielder way more than they need another outfielder, I don’t understand how they haven’t mentioned him at all.

by El Duque's Raft on May 5, 2008 11:21 PM CDT up 0 recs

Jerry Owens provides swagger

by hitlesswonder on May 5, 2008 11:22 PM CDT up 0 recs

That would be dumb

Lets take our best hitter so far, and platoon him even though Quentin’s splits against righties are better than his splits against lefties.

by southsideirish71 on May 5, 2008 11:26 PM CDT up 0 recs

Mark Gonzales's take...

http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2008/05/changes-in-stor.html

by SSH2005 on May 5, 2008 11:33 PM CDT 0 recs

This is disgusting...

Mark Gonzales wrote:

TORONTO – Javier Vazquez is quickly developing into the biggest victim of the White Sox’s recent hitting woes. Vazquez has received three runs of support in his past three starts. He left Monday’s game at Toronto with two out in the eighth inning with a 1-0 deficit. Vazquez’s 115th pitch was clocked at 97 m.p.h., according to a television monitor.

by SSH2005 on May 5, 2008 11:36 PM CDT 0 recs

Almost...

The biggest victims are the fans paying to see this team

by Brush Back on May 5, 2008 11:42 PM CDT up 0 recs

Hopefully he'll get dealt to a contender

And whatever is left in his arm won’t be wasted. He’s really pitched very well since mid-2006.

by hitlesswonder on May 5, 2008 11:58 PM CDT up 0 recs

couldn't kenny have signed tadahito in the winter?

I guess the timing of orca’s signing screwed things up…

btw, I agree that uribe is bad and should be shown the door
but not if we don’t have anything better
ozuna is worse

ps. can someone please tell me what’s the rule about releasing a player before spring training ends/regular season starts?
something about the team not being responsible for the rest of the money?

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on May 6, 2008 11:39 AM CDT 0 recs