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Gavin Floyd, Really?

Gavin Floyd once again flirted with a no-hitter Tuesday night to help the White Sox snap a 6-game losing streak. It was the third time this season that he's taken a no-hitter past the 5th inning.

How's he doing it?

Unfortunately, I have no idea. Before spring training, many of us were quite high on Floyd's future, based largely on the strength of his final 6 starts last season. During those 6 starts, Gavin laid a blue print for how he could become an effective major league pitcher. He fell behind John Danks, however, after a series of mediocre spring training performances. Here's what I had to say about Floyd in my season preview for The Hardball Times.

The final spot in the rotation will be filled by Floyd, about whom I could spout the same trivial anecdotes of increased confidence or new approaches, but my heart wouldn’t be in it. Floyd is what he is, a failed prospect who gives up far too many home runs to succeed in homer-friendly US Cellular Field. Gavin will have to succeed by keeping his walk total low, and keeping his strikeout total up. He’ll never be the pitcher the Phillies once thought he would be, but he could turn into a serviceable control-type back-end starter. His last six starts last season have given the Sox some (misplaced?) hope.

As you sit in front of your computer today, Floyd isn't exactly striking batters out (4.3 K/9) and is walking too many men (4.1 BB/9). He's been successful by keeping the ball in the park (.9 HR/9) and getting extraordinarily lucky on balls in play (.147 BABIP) or extraordinarily good defense behind him (.860 DER), depending on your view.

Rotoworld  pointed out, based on the above numbers, that now would be a good time to sell on Gavin Floyd. The Sox aren't playing fantasy baseball, however. This is the big leagues. You can't just trade a valuable young player because he has overachieved in the early season.

What can we expect for the rest of the season?

This is where things get tricky. I'd like to draw the comparison to '05 Jon Garland, who took a big step forward based in large part to a great first 8 starts. But Garland had better peripherals and a longer history of at least being average on his side. Floyd has never had any sustained success at the big league level.

At the time, I argued that Garland had reached a new level. I'm not so sure I can say the same of Floyd. So I'd like to point to our community projection for Floyd. My opinion of Floyd hasn't changed much from when we conducted this projection, I suspect most of yours haven't either. So let's see what happens when we simply add the projection, which was hedged by a few people projecting Gavin to flame out quickly, to Gavin's current line.


W-L G GS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2008 - Gavin Floyd 3-1 6 6 39.2 20 14 11 4 18 19 2.50 .96
Community Projection - 23 23 149.7 161 - 83* 23 51 123 4.98 1.35
Revised - 29 29 189 181 - 94 27 69 142 4.48 1.32

That's essentially the line which we came to expect from Jon Garland. He takes a little different route to get there, but the 4.48 ERA, which is above average given the run environment of USCF, the WHIP, the HR rate, are all quite similar to typical Garland.

I think most of us will take that.

* * * * *

Floyd wasn't the only young hurler in the White Sox organization who flirted with a no-hitter Tuesday. The Sox top 2007 draft pick, Aaron Poreda, took a no-hitter into the 6th inning, allowing one hit and one walk while striking out seven in 7 innings pitched.

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Gavin's stuff tonight

was absolutely filthy. He had the Twins completely baffled, and if not for an arguable managing blunder (no real effect on the game, but I think Anderson catches Mauer’s double), Gavin throws a no-no. He apparently found his curveball in Canada, because that was breaking something fierce.

If his stuff stays anywhere near that good, I see his K rate going up along with his homer rate, because he’d absolutely hang a few of those curves. I like how he looks right now though – he’s adjusting to his stuff well in every start and giving the team a chance to lose by one every game. In his start against the O’s, his changeup was great; in his last start versus the Twins, he had pretty rotten stuff and command but kept the team in the game; this start he was obviously phenomenal.

I’m curious to see how the rest of his year will play out and if his stuff remains this inconsistent from start to start. If it does, he’ll probably be a Cy Young contender because teams won’t know what the hell to expect out of him…lol.

something special

by wite on May 7, 2008 3:45 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

"an arguable managing blunder"

I watched the Mauer hit several times. IMO, it’s 60 – 40 Anderson catches it. But if Anderson belonged any place, it was in right field, replacing bad-kneed Dye. Swisher can “go get” a ball, Dye is hopeless. I don’t think Anderson will be the traditional late inning defensive replacement for the Sox. Guillen “respects” certainly Dye’s and maybe also Swisher’s seniority far too much to “humiliate” them with a defensive replacement. I don’t necessarily agree with it, but it’s Ozzie.

Pitching and defense.

by ballyb on May 7, 2008 8:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think BA catches it...

Anderson probably gets a better jump than Swisher and he is also a better runner.

by SSH2005 on May 7, 2008 8:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, no...

If anything, Anderson should have replaced Dye in the lineup and played CF with Swisher moving over to RF. Or Quentin should have moved to RF with Swisher moving to LF and Anderson playing CF. You can argue that Ozzie wouldn’t want to embarrass Dye or Swisher on their defense but that doesn’t mean it’s the right move.

by SSH2005 on May 7, 2008 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point re anderson in center, Swisher to right.

I’m not saying it’s right. But it’s not going to happen. Dye belongs in left and it hasn’t even been uttered. THAT is an important decision to the fortunes of the club. Let’s argue about that.

Pitching and defense.

by ballyb on May 7, 2008 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree except

You make no changes that can impact anything during a game like that – just pure superstition. Its no different than going over to talk to Galvin – you just don’t do it. Is it a wrong managing decision – yes – would virtually every manager do the same as Ozzie – YES.

by Brush Back on May 7, 2008 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point.

A mutual admiration society.

OK, back to the arguing.

Pitching and defense.

by ballyb on May 7, 2008 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My only problem with that thought

is that defensive changes have been made before during no-hitters; Ozzie himself has done it. In Buehrle’s no-no, Anderson was put into LF for Mackowiak in the top of the 8th last year. So why wasn’t Anderson put into the game last night? I do actually think he would have gotten to that ball – Swisher got a good jump on it, but he was a bit slow getting over there. Anderson is a much more fluid runner and I do think he could have gotten there – the difference in speed between Anderson and Swisher is big enough, in my mind, that Anderson would have covered those 4 extra feet and would have caught that ball.

I really don’t think it’s a huge mistake, and seeing Gavin throw a no-no would have been sweet, but I’m just glad he threw a hell of a game and the team got out of a slump.

something special

by wite on May 7, 2008 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

humiliate them?

bullshit, utter bullshit

it’s not like dye volunteers his services

ozzie’s 9th inning OF should’ve been q in left, swisher to right and BA in center

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on May 7, 2008 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

but like others say no big deal

let gavin stay hungry

don’t want him to think he made it and relax

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on May 7, 2008 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

He was still throwing nasty stuff in late innings. His velocity was still in the 90’s too. A great game to watch. Finally.

C'mon, Smokey! This isn't 'Nam, it's bowling. There are rules!

by thekever on May 7, 2008 7:50 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

How about a real haircut?

Last night was the first time I got a good look at Floyd’s haircut. I think the Coen Brothers recommended Javier Bardem’s barber to him.

C'mon, Smokey! This isn't 'Nam, it's bowling. There are rules!

by thekever on May 7, 2008 7:55 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm Back!!!

so after a long, strange trip on the job market, I’m back in Chicago. I wont bother with my recaps of what i’ve thought of the season so far, so i’ll just jump in where I see possible. Gavin Floyd’s curve was nasty last night. Who was the biggest Floyd believe in the winter, was that Bally? I also was very high on him.

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on May 7, 2008 8:54 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Wecome back.

Why did the job search keep you away?

Re Floyd, wasn’t me. Colin.

I supported Nick Masset.

Pitching and defense.

by ballyb on May 7, 2008 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

job search

i was moving across the country, involved in lots of interviews, got a dog….. so there was a ton of stuff keeping me off of the internet.
ah yes, the old nick masset argument, has that one been rehashed lately? hahahahah

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on May 7, 2008 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not while we're counting down Uribe's final hours...

Then Ozuna, THEN Masset.
Can’t tell the DFA’s without a scorecard.

"Lipstick traces on cigarettes can get you in trouble or remind you of the wonders of the night before."

by Chiburb on May 7, 2008 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well he hasn't done what i hoped/thought he'd do

though apparently he was throwing the slider quite a lot last night, which was the reason for my optimism. if you look at my projection, he hasn’t really done anything like what i thought he might.

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on May 7, 2008 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

too modest

take your plaudits and run with them

Jesus H. Larry! I said the first half!

by larry on May 7, 2008 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm just jealous i called floyd for a break out instead of danks

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on May 7, 2008 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm a believer!

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on May 7, 2008 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If I remember correctly

I was ridiculed by almost everyone on this board when I proclaimed that Floyd has arrived.

by Where Triples Go to Die on May 7, 2008 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

STFU

You nailed it. Bask whilst ye can/are able.

I took the "under".

by winningugly on May 7, 2008 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

as soon as I do that, you guys might get it in your head that I'm qualified

to be writing about baseball. can’t have that. y’see.

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on May 7, 2008 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

STFU

We are not a woman who has effed you over. No one is a candidate for bedding down (well…maybe Pete). Step out. Deal.

And that’s it for the “attaboy”. As Tug McGraw (God rest his soul) said, you gotta believe.

I took the "under".

by winningugly on May 7, 2008 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i get the feeling you just learned what "STFU" means

and i’m just not one to brag, let alone about something i didn’t even get right!

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on May 7, 2008 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ain't nothin wrong with that

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on May 7, 2008 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

CORNBREAD...

ain’t nothing wrong with that

by jeeves on May 7, 2008 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

of course you're qualified

since you haven’t been disqualified

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on May 7, 2008 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Floyd

continues to shake his “soft” label, I think. After Q’s error in a tight game, he really squashed that inning. There was the pressure of the no-hitter, plus the pressure of coming back home after the 6 game losing streak. I’m sure he went out there thinking he’d have to throw a shutout to win with the run support he was apt to get.

And he came through.

Good post, cheat. If he’s our new Garland, that’s just fine.

Mosi Tatupu! Mosi Tatupu!

by Nordhagen on May 7, 2008 9:59 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

One reason I'm hoping Floyd succeeds

Is the “soft” label. It irks me that people like Cowley and Mark Gonzales go around and refer to someone like Floyd as “she”. Conflating the inability to pitch at the big league level with lack of balls is common (witness early assessments of Jon Garland) and just pisses me off. I’m not doubting that confidence is important, but I think this vein of criticism falls into broader category of deciding poor play is caused by a character flaw (e.g. Soriano is selfish or Player X from California doesn’t try hard enough). Which is generally stupid.

by hitlesswonder on May 7, 2008 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

uh huh

Jesus H. Larry! I said the first half!

by larry on May 7, 2008 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If he succeeds...

the story will become that he “found his balls” or some such nonsense.

The Twins announcers were talking about how Floyd was “effectively wild” – he never fell into a discernable pattern, nor was he succeeding with just one or two pitches. He was also missing way out of the strike zone at times and keeping the opposing hitters off-balance.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on May 7, 2008 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

In defense of our beat writers

the only time they’ve referred to Floyd as “She” - if they have at all - is to report that was what the Philly writers called him.

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on May 7, 2008 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

should clear up by tonight

which is good, because I dont want to mess up this 9-inning roll we’re on.

Mosi Tatupu! Mosi Tatupu!

by Nordhagen on May 7, 2008 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rain to stop

around 6 (weather.com)

OR

around 7:30 (accuweather.com).

What’s the weather channel say, Larry?

Pitching and defense.

by ballyb on May 7, 2008 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

isn't the weather channel the same as weather.com?

at any rate, who cares. they’ll get the game in.

Jesus H. Larry! I said the first half!

by larry on May 7, 2008 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes

go by tom skilling wgntv.com – he is more accurate. He is to weather as Roger Bossard is to grass and dirt.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on May 7, 2008 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

but Bossard didn't have a brother

architecting the Enron scandal (to my knowledge).

So,
Bossard > Skilling

Mosi Tatupu! Mosi Tatupu!

by Nordhagen on May 7, 2008 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Man, a great example of the differences in siblings.

Tom – never heard an unkind word about him, salt of the earth.

Jeffrey – as Uncle Henry used to say, “he’d take your eye out, put a grape in there and tell you it looks better.”

Pitching and defense.

by ballyb on May 7, 2008 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wouldn't it kill you to find out that Tommy

loaded up on Enron puts at the right time? On a tip from brother Jeffy?
Now THAT would put me the ledge.

"Lipstick traces on cigarettes can get you in trouble or remind you of the wonders of the night before."

by Chiburb on May 7, 2008 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

sounds like the typical Bollywood movie plot

except with fewer musical numbers

Mosi Tatupu! Mosi Tatupu!

by Nordhagen on May 7, 2008 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or a Hindu marrying a Muslim

Or poor lady marries rich man.

Rusty Longley v 2.0

by Ozzie Montana on May 7, 2008 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I prefer paulie for weather forecasts!

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on May 7, 2008 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Doesn't look good now

but who knows about later tonight. I think it may stop.

Also, Roger Bossard = God and can have that field dry in no time by just blowing on it.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on May 7, 2008 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

earmuffs. signed, swishit.

Repeat after me: reading comprehension, even a little bit of thought before posting, and basic research are not signs of weakness.

by Toonderstrook on May 7, 2008 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

By the way...

Orlando Cabrera OPS+ – 53
Juan Uribe OPS+ – 52

Don’t look back, Orlando!

by The Jerry Royster Experience on May 7, 2008 1:03 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

better measure is EqA

.211 to .193. not to mention that uribe ain’t exactly playing stellar D at his new position (though one can certainly allow for uribe dealing with the rangey PK to his left). shoot em both.

Jesus H. Larry! I said the first half!

by larry on May 7, 2008 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

And Cabrera’s been very unimpressive defensively.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on May 7, 2008 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cabrera's defense has been fabulous

after the first 10 games or so

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on May 7, 2008 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nonsense.

He has a lot less range than Uribe ever did, and his arm is weaker, too.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on May 7, 2008 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and so no SS who is not as good as the uribe you remember from 2005 can be good?

nothing like a perception bias, eh jer?

Jesus H. Larry! I said the first half!

by larry on May 7, 2008 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't say that.

Cabrera’s noticeably slower getting to balls, and his reaction time is worse.

I’m not saying that Uribe’s great, but Cabrera’s not good.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on May 7, 2008 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

then what was the point of your post?

introducing uribe to the discussion is bordering on the irrelevant. whether cabrera is bad, average, or fabulous has nothing to do with what uribe was like.

Jesus H. Larry! I said the first half!

by larry on May 7, 2008 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My point was that he's been a defensive downgrade...

at shortstop. We all (or most of us) knew and expected this. Cabrera has to hit in order to be an upgrade at any level.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on May 7, 2008 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i don't buy that at all

uribe was not particularly good last year. this isn’t 2005.

but i’ve had this discussion before and i’m not interested in going through it again. whatever to the disagreement.

Jesus H. Larry! I said the first half!

by larry on May 7, 2008 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wait a minute Jerry

Uribe in 2006 and 2007 had a .977 and .976 fielding percentage and above average range.

Cabrera for the sox this year has a FP of .994 (one error) and better range than Uribe the last two years as well.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on May 7, 2008 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Uribe had better range than Cabrera at SS in 2006 and 2007

2006 RF: Uribe – 4.70; Cabrera – 4.29
2007 RF: Uribe – 4.74; Cabrera – 4.42

by Ryno on May 7, 2008 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fielding percentage...

is one of the more useless stats around, for many reasons.

And I deny that Cabrera has or had better range than Uribe.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on May 7, 2008 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe in

2006 and 2007 – but look at the stats this year. The year you are complaining about.

His RF in 2008 is 5.07

I’m not getting your logic on how he is so dismal defensively and worse than Uribe – THIS YEAR.

He is hitting like cr*p, but that is totally different.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on May 7, 2008 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oops...

I can’t compare him to Uribe this year, because Uribe isn’t playing shortstop this year.

Range Factor isn’t a good stat either. That has as much to do with the makeup of the pitching staff and the fielders next to you as anything else.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on May 7, 2008 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmm

I am comparing Range Factor and Fielding Percentage from 2008 Orlando Cabrera (who according to you is defensive downgrade this year) to past years of Uribe. I am showing you that the fielding stats this year from Cabrera are better than years past of Uribe.

You said MOST OF US knew that Cabrera was a downgrade this year.

Where are you getting this information? 1. Where is your rationale besides you can just tell and 2. Who are MOST OF US??

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on May 7, 2008 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've had this argument with larry before.

I can’t quote numbers at you, because I don’t believe that there is a stat that does at all a good job of measuring defense.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on May 7, 2008 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sooooo are we to go with

your supreme intuition and vision Jerry? Cmon. Its lazy to just say that stat means nothing and leaving it at that. A stat can certainly be flawed but you can draw some conclusions from it.

Example a person that had a 1000 fielding percentage and many chances might not be the best shortstop (lacking in range or arm) but its fair to say he is at least avg and compotent.

by Tdogg on May 7, 2008 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's not fair to say that at all.

Simply adding up errors (which is a judgment call by the official scorer) doesn’t say anything at all about a player’s ability.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on May 7, 2008 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

of course it says something about a player's ability

christ, jer. come on. simply because a stat is not perfect or not all-encompassing does not mean it says nothing.

Jesus H. Larry! I said the first half!

by larry on May 7, 2008 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

All right...

it says something.

But not really anything worth knowing.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on May 7, 2008 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well, i'm not sure why anyone should believe you more than an official scorer.

after all, it’s a judgment call for you, isn’t it?

Jesus H. Larry! I said the first half!

by larry on May 7, 2008 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It does though

someone who has 25 errors in a season at 3B compared to someone who has 5 errors means something.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on May 7, 2008 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

sure it does

maybe it’s imprecise, but the idea of “i know it when i see it” has plenty of congealed meaning for official scorers as well as long time outside observers. that’s why when we find out that minor league prospect X has a bunch of errors, we expect that he’ll move positions.

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on May 7, 2008 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe it will say something...

about a minor-leaguer. If someone’s committing 60 errors a year, that’s a problem.

But saying that player “X” has 5 errors and player “Y” has 8 doesn’t say anything about either player.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on May 7, 2008 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i agree. the measure isn't very fine.

that’s not really the point though. it says something and it can even say something decisive, as in the case we’re discussing.

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on May 7, 2008 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Big HMMM

I know you’ve argued with Larry over Cabrera’s supposed lack of defense and I have wondered where you have come up with this argument. You have no numbers to back it up – none. This is just simply your perception.

To then say “all or most of us” expected something that hasn’t happened is truly strange.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on May 7, 2008 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

All right then.

I take it back. More than a few people thought that Cabrera would be an upgrade on defense.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on May 7, 2008 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on May 7, 2008 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wish I had

a million dollars. I wish I did.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on May 7, 2008 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

as long as you know what the problems

with the stat are, why is it such a big deal to cite them? “useless” and “flawed” mean separate things entirely.

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on May 7, 2008 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't say it was a big deal to cite them.

Cite away. Just don’t expect me to take that as dispositive.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on May 7, 2008 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

jerry doesn't understand defensive stats

and doesn’t care to. which is fine. it just makes arguing with him a futile endeavor. i’d say leave it.

Jesus H. Larry! I said the first half!

by larry on May 7, 2008 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, I understand them.

I just don’t think they make for very good evidence.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on May 7, 2008 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, you mean...

defensive win shares?

Yeah, I don’t get that, nor do I care to.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on May 7, 2008 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

no, jer. that's obviously not what i mean.

which illustrates my point.

Jesus H. Larry! I said the first half!

by larry on May 7, 2008 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess so.

It’s probably not worth arguing any more, as you say.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on May 7, 2008 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wait...

is +/- the one where stringers review video and make determinations regarding balls hit into zones, and compare fielders based on the average fielder making plays in those zones?

by The Jerry Royster Experience on May 7, 2008 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

if you did, you'd be able to apply them appropriately.

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on May 7, 2008 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Apply them to what?

I’m pretty careful not to apply them at all.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on May 7, 2008 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Evidence of what?

Its different on debating on the very best (where range and arm comes heavily into play) vs a fielder’s ability to be consistent in fielding and throwing for an out.

No one is saying its the holy grail of evidence but you act like a fielder who has a 160 game streak with no errors (that is not proof that he is “probably” a decent field. Thats insane.

Its wierd because you seem to have no problem using that logic and looking outside the numbers the other way. (Like understanding Crede despite errors is good.)

It really is okay to deduce once in awhile.

by Tdogg on May 7, 2008 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

His range factor rate stat is higher now than Uribe's has been the past 3 seasons

Cabrera’s arm is weaker, yes. But Cabrera is clearly better up the middle, to me anyways

by 3E8 on May 7, 2008 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

uh huh

i’m not saying uribe hasn’t been fine. he’s been average. i suspect my disappointment is that i expected more from him – i.e., above average at second.

Jesus H. Larry! I said the first half!

by larry on May 7, 2008 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What metrics are you using Larry?

What I read on Hardball looks pretty good.

by Tdogg on May 7, 2008 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

my eyes, tdogg. only eyes, of course.

i’m using a few different ones – never rely on just one, of course, when doing defensive evaluations.

at any rate, i’ve just seen him screw a few things up at second. i think a lot of it is positioning and just general unfamiliarity/unease that may very well just go away. i think he also is hindered by who is to his left and behind him. no one on the field – one might argue swish because of dead legs to his right – has more “room” that he needs to be covering because no one else can or will be able to help him out.

Jesus H. Larry! I said the first half!

by larry on May 7, 2008 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thought you were going Pete on me for a second

See this is my frustration with defensive metrics. Also it seems like no one in general wants to either really properly credit the pitchers or the overall defense for what the team has done in their run prevention. Either one or the other has done something correct.

by Tdogg on May 7, 2008 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

also keep in mind that

contrary to assertions of some, defense isn’t quite as “consistent” as some would like to believe it is. cabrera is a good example. he had a bad stretch. now he’s much better. the different fielding measures are not really unlike offensive statistics in that they measure things a little differently and weigh things a litte differently. you really need more than a month or so to evaluate well.

Jesus H. Larry! I said the first half!

by larry on May 7, 2008 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point.

Surprised I didnt really think like that its not like I watched Crede have 3 bad games on D and said “he’s brutal”

The difference may be that those with exceptional reputations (deserved or underserved) are expected to be ultra consistent

by Tdogg on May 7, 2008 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the range of performance is not nearly as large as on the offensive side

you know, you’re not going to see a guy do the equivalent of a 2-25 stretch in the field. it’s pretty much impossible for a major leaguer to be that bad. but you’re going to slump or get hot on defense, too. injuries play their part. unfamiliarity with your pitchers – which may have been what was plaguing cabrera early on – can play a part. luck will, too. so on.

Jesus H. Larry! I said the first half!

by larry on May 7, 2008 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

From watching him play...

I think Uribe’s having some trouble adjusting to the position. He’s getting by on raw talent, but he hasn’t played second base enough recently that the things he needs to do come naturally.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on May 7, 2008 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He definitely

is not the best when it comes to turning the double play, but his arm makes up for it compared to most 2B’s so it hasn’t really been an issue.

by Grinder in Training on May 7, 2008 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was gonna point that out Cheat.

Didnt know 10 games was the marker but Cabrera has been really good on D lately. At this point folks are just repeating the same thing over and over regardless of changing circumstances.

And yes Uribe has been good defensively also.

by Tdogg on May 7, 2008 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The White Sox team Def Eff

Is up to .711 and steadily climbing over the last 2 weeks.

by Tdogg on May 7, 2008 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

really? wow

not too shabby. part of that is BABIP luck. DER is a difficult stat to parse, since it is literally just 1-BABIP and we all know what a difficult thing BABIP is.

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on May 7, 2008 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly.

It’s really hard to sort out the pitcher’s contribution from the fielder’s, and really difficult to separate out the fielders from each other.

I will say that the defense is much better than I expected it would be. Part of that is because Crede is playing third base instead of Fields, but a big part is Nick Swisher is a much, much better center fielder than the guy I saw in Oakland last year. Mea Culpa on that.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on May 7, 2008 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

An average defender in center with that bat

KW’s okay at what he does sometimes.

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on May 7, 2008 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

STFU

You acknowledge an error in judgement?

Perhaps the Scrubs CAN win the WS!

;)

I took the "under".

by winningugly on May 7, 2008 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

THT says it's .702 which is exactly average as of today

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on May 7, 2008 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hooray for average!

at least its not bad…

It is better to be thought of as a fool, rather than open your mouth to remove all doubt

by whitesoxmatt on May 7, 2008 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's all we ask!

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on May 7, 2008 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

C's get degrees!

It is better to be thought of as a fool, rather than open your mouth to remove all doubt

by whitesoxmatt on May 7, 2008 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

we should know

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on May 7, 2008 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm more concerned about what eyes says.

Jesus H. Larry! I said the first half!

by larry on May 7, 2008 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm surprised you and Cheat think OC has been doing well

i haven’t sat down and watched in a while, but I’ve yet to see him do something that I thought was above average.

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on May 7, 2008 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Watch. His "D" is much improved,

both on a consistent basis and the “highlight reel” variety.

I took the "under".

by winningugly on May 7, 2008 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm a nomad. and it's not like there's some service i subscribe to that allows me to watch White Sox games wherever I am (blackout restrictions excepted)

so I’m not sure how I’ll be able to manage that.

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on May 7, 2008 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the gomez play last night was certainly above average

and his quick release and accurate throw to get rolen on monday was above average. but i’m not arguing he’s been above average overall. he’s been average-ish. which is fine so long as he starts hitting.

Jesus H. Larry! I said the first half!

by larry on May 7, 2008 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree here

He did complain about the cold and never having to play in that much of it. So if he can keep his def on track as it gets warmer and start to at least get close to his carreer hitting ability – I’ll have no issue with him.

by Brush Back on May 7, 2008 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

BP
Gavin Floyd almost threw a no-hitter last night, so you might think the timing is off for me to tell you that you can expect a decline in his performance. That’s the case, though, as Floyd’s ERA of 2.50 does not sync up with his 6.22 QERA. Floyd is walking almost as many hitters as he is striking out (4.1 BB/9 versus 4.3 K/9), which is two problems at once. That’s far too many walks, and nowhere near enough punchouts. Combine that with only 35 percent of all batted balls as grounders—in a park designed to give power hitters a boost—and you can see why QERA is pessimistic about Floyd’s future, even though it isn’t park-adjusted.

Floyd has succeeded so far thanks to only allowing 4.5 hits per nine innings, which translates into an opponents line of .149/.250/.291. The White Sox have played some excellent defense behind him, better defense than their rank of 13th in Defensive Efficiency lets on. Take a look at this chart from First Inning to see how low the averages are around the diamond:

He’s had problems with balls to right, but every other spot on the diamond is turning into an out. Even if his outfield numbers last, it’s tough to believe that the opposition is going to hit under .100 on groundballs for the season. So, you can expect Floyd’s H/9 to increase, bringing his ERA up with it. Considering last night’s performance, it’s the perfect time to sell to an optimist.


http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=7483

hmm, why balls on right? who do we…
oh ok!

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on May 7, 2008 1:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

i love first inning

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on May 7, 2008 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Floyd's Slider

Opposing hitters having to protect against an extra pitch is another reason Floyd has found success early this season. He started using it frequently late last season which probably not coincidentally is when Floyd started stringing together all those quality starts. And his slider is a good one, Cheat provided pitch data sometime this offseason I believe which showed it was his most effective pitch by a wide margin. He struggles too much with command still and if that remains the case I’d expect his peripherals to hold steady and his BAA will come falling quickly back down to earth (or should that be rising back down to earth?). But if he somehow can garner better command of his arsenal then the periphs will obviously improve and overall he’ll land somewhere between where he is now and where he should be

by 3E8 on May 7, 2008 1:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

When you say most effective

Do you know what metrics that takes into account? Does it mean most likely to be thrown for a strike and therefore be effective or his best based purely on stuff or the times that something positive happens with it (I.e. a strike, ground out, fly out, etc.. vs. a ball, hit, HBP)? I’m just curious what goes into the math.

I’d have to think his curveball is his best pitch stuff wise, if you don’t count the fact he can’t always throw it for a strike.. and if it’s not, maybe Floyd will be better then I thought because that thing if it’s thrown for a strike is just disgusting.

by Grinder in Training on May 7, 2008 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, not most likely to be a strike per se

But I know the slider was the pitch that when swung at was whiffed at the highest percentage. Also when it was hit, I believe less damage was done compared to the other pitches. Like a lower XBH% against on the slider. If I can find the article I’ll link it.

But you can look at fangraphs to see that Floyd never threw a slider in Philly and now he’s throwing it more often this year than last, increasing to 20%. He’s throwing slightly more change ups this year which at times are effective (i.e. the K on Kubel last night).

by 3E8 on May 7, 2008 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep.

That slider is key. Of course, so is the overall command and better mix, including that more often used change-up.

by dantesox on May 7, 2008 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He certainly wont end with a sub 3 era regardless (sub 4 is still a stretch)

But his Ks should go up and his K/BB ratio will definitely improve.

by Tdogg on May 7, 2008 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

I said before it all started he was capable of 150-175 innings in the 4.3-4.7 range. Most laughed. I based it mainly on his minor league numbers from last year, which indicated tremendous growth, plus those September games. Am I totally convinced? No. Is my prediction stupid? Certainly not.

by dantesox on May 7, 2008 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think most of us still don't know what to "make" of Gavin

But we can’t just casually toss out what he did in Sept now. A month where his k/bb was 25/8. I feel much better about his long term prospects than I did on March 28th.

by Tdogg on May 7, 2008 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also the whole

Out of zone strikes/swings bears watching though. I watched a number of Clev games this year and seen how folks are starting not to swing at Carmona’s sinker. Just take the damn thing and walk. Gavin who doesnt have his gb talents still needs to hit that strike zone.

by Tdogg on May 7, 2008 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is really conjecture

and grasping for explanations, but it seems like his delivery may also be deceptive insofar as release point. As opposed to what we might describe as a “shortarmer,” Floyd seems to hold onto the ball unusually long, and that may be helping him. Do you see that too?

by dantesox on May 7, 2008 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe. Or it could just be the late movement

Cuddyer seemed to talked about. His long delivery might be helping him, but it aint helping AJ.

by Tdogg on May 7, 2008 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Short-arming

is meant to mean (by my understanding) that you don’t hold on to the ball very long. Instead of a long “whole arm” action that finishes up out over your landing leg, he cuts it off pretty quickly.

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on May 7, 2008 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i thought short-arming

had more to do with your arm backswing, rather than follow-through.

Mosi Tatupu! Mosi Tatupu!

by Nordhagen on May 7, 2008 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

not in my experience

but you could be right.

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on May 7, 2008 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm no pitching coach

but I believe its when your elbow is dropped on the backswing. Anyway, we’re probably talking about two different points in the same type of delivery.

Mosi Tatupu! Mosi Tatupu!

by Nordhagen on May 7, 2008 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's tough to say without some accompanying visuals

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on May 7, 2008 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

His slider and improved mechanics were the two reasons for my initial optimism

but the slider this year has often been absent. He apparently had it last night though.

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on May 7, 2008 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He had the yakker

Knee-buckler. If he can control his curve it’s devastating.

I took the "under".

by winningugly on May 7, 2008 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think I'm still having some problems with the new site's 'format'

Can someone help me out here? Say I’m reading a thread and someone makes a post above where I was reading. Whenever I hit ‘Z’, it doesn’t scroll up to that new post—rather, it erases the post and thus forces me to scroll up to see if the new post is above where I’m currently reading (which isn’t a huge problem in the grand scheme of things, but in the 150-post threads it’s somewhat annoying).

by CWSKeith on May 7, 2008 3:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

erases what post?

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on May 7, 2008 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

it erases it though?

i’m not sure what’s happening. what are you running?

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on May 7, 2008 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

zune

"Lipstick traces on cigarettes can get you in trouble or remind you of the wonders of the night before."

by Chiburb on May 7, 2008 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think he means that it shows the post as read, so he has to search by timestamp or the formatting rather than seeing it as unread.

Repeat after me: reading comprehension, even a little bit of thought before posting, and basic research are not signs of weakness.

by Toonderstrook on May 7, 2008 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yep, same here

I’ve experienced the highlight thing go up and get the new message but in very few instances, like 5 out of 100

the rest of the time an upper message is marked without me seeing it…

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on May 7, 2008 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i've used a bunch of different comps

but it almost always works for me. it’s almost always with firefox though.

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on May 7, 2008 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm using firefox, I'm having the same problem with the z function the last few days

If you’re mid thread like during a game it works fine. But when you come into the site clean and open the thread it doesn’t take you directly to the new comments like it used to.

"The little things are always in my mind," he said. "I always like to move the guy over, I like to bunt."

by ChicagoPete on May 7, 2008 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

happens to me, too

Jesus H. Larry! I said the first half!

by larry on May 7, 2008 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

if i click in the thread, then hit Z, it goes back to find the recent post above where i was at.

Repeat after me: reading comprehension, even a little bit of thought before posting, and basic research are not signs of weakness.

by Toonderstrook on May 7, 2008 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice Chicago-ese dangling participle

You can take the Toonder out of Chicago…

I took the "under".

by winningugly on May 7, 2008 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

where was the participle in my comment, dickens?

Repeat after me: reading comprehension, even a little bit of thought before posting, and basic research are not signs of weakness.

by Toonderstrook on May 7, 2008 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

WTF is "at"?

I took the "under".

by winningugly on May 7, 2008 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course, it IS appropriate sentence structure

for Blazing Saddles:

“Where are all the white women at?”

Yeah, “at” is an “article”, but you get my drift, Chicagoan. No Left Coaster dangles that shit out there.

I took the "under".

by winningugly on May 7, 2008 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

participle? article?

i’m guessing you need to apply head-on directly to your forehead.

Repeat after me: reading comprehension, even a little bit of thought before posting, and basic research are not signs of weakness.

by Toonderstrook on May 7, 2008 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK, only Beck can end a sentence

with “at” where it is appropriate.

I took the "under".

by winningugly on May 7, 2008 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

a preposition? and the rule from your day only applies today in formal writing, mac.

Repeat after me: reading comprehension, even a little bit of thought before posting, and basic research are not signs of weakness.

by Toonderstrook on May 7, 2008 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sooooo defensive

Put it in a brief and see what The Man says, bro.

I took the "under".

by winningugly on May 7, 2008 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

a brief is formal writing. hell, i even capitalize in a brief.

Repeat after me: reading comprehension, even a little bit of thought before posting, and basic research are not signs of weakness.

by Toonderstrook on May 7, 2008 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i don't

Jesus H. Larry! I said the first half!

by larry on May 7, 2008 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love role playing WTGTD

WTF TOONDER, WHO TAUGHT YOU TO WRITE?

I took the "under".

by winningugly on May 7, 2008 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

THE POLISH WOMAN WHO RUNS BILLS OF LADING OF COURSE

Repeat after me: reading comprehension, even a little bit of thought before posting, and basic research are not signs of weakness.

by Toonderstrook on May 7, 2008 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Read up, before you make ignorant comments like that.

“Repeat after me: reading comprehension, even a little bit of thought before posting, and basic research are not signs of weakness.” – sure it is. Someone who takes blogging and grammar this seriously, needs to get laid.

by Where Triples Go to Die on May 7, 2008 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"THE POLISH WOMAN WHO RUNS BILLS OF LADING OF COURSE"

“RUNS BILLS OF LADING” What the fuck are you talking about? You may be the biggest HOMO I have ever encountered. That must be why you chose to live out by the Bay right?

by Where Triples Go to Die on May 7, 2008 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yo, everybody! "the champ is hear!"

Repeat after me: reading comprehension, even a little bit of thought before posting, and basic research are not signs of weakness.

by Toonderstrook on May 8, 2008 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm only as defensive as o-cab...which is to say, it varies by metric.

Repeat after me: reading comprehension, even a little bit of thought before posting, and basic research are not signs of weakness.

by Toonderstrook on May 7, 2008 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

just click the thread where you are?

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on May 7, 2008 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bah, I didn't see this until I posted my piece

But on BTB I added that it appears he’s throwing a few new pitches this year, otherwise we basically hit on the same points.

"I've seen many, many blue skies turn gray, but the sun will eventually return, and so will I. So will I." - Carlos Pena

by R.J. Anderson on May 7, 2008 3:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

a few?

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on May 7, 2008 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like the "current lineup" listed

Taintstain,....., Vagina, and Juan Uribe.

Very Nice!

Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.

by rhythm on May 7, 2008 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Looks like the link worked anyway

Show mercy. I get to watch the Rangers.

by Tim from Texas on May 7, 2008 4:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

yes, that's fine. you also can write the title you desire your link to have

from http://www.sbnation.com/guide/fanpost:

To add a link … first type out and highlight the text that you want to have serve as the linked text. Next, click the link button []. This will pop-up a small window where you can either type or paste the URL to create the link.

or just press the link button and add text afterwards. The button will open a small window in your browser where you can either type or paste in the URL for your link. Click ‘OK’ and link tags will be inserted

example,
1. write ‘minor league baseball’
2. highlight the words ‘minor league baseball’
3. click
4. in the box that comes up put http://milb.com and click OK

and you get this: ‘minor league baseball

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on May 7, 2008 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

or you can use this link

for all your internet linking needs. i bookmarked it and it’s come in handy several times.

http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Guide/

i wish someone had told me that sportsnation had replaced rationality with caps lock.

by MarketMaker on May 7, 2008 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes, nice tutorial

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on May 7, 2008 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

plus that guy in the picture (dave raggett) is one of the more handsome men that i've ever laid eyes on

i wish someone had told me that sportsnation had replaced rationality with caps lock.

by MarketMaker on May 7, 2008 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dave, is that you?

God, I hope so.

I took the "under".

by winningugly on May 7, 2008 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

day 3 of the josh fields watch

still no play.

Jesus H. Larry! I said the first half!

by larry on May 7, 2008 5:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

any explanation given thus far?

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on May 7, 2008 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

DL
White Sox third base prospect Josh Fields was placed on the disabled list at Triple-A Charlotte because of right patella tendinitis.

http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2008/05/fields-on-dl-li.html

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on May 7, 2008 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No biggie

though any sort of tendinitis for a guy that young isn’t a jump-for-joy event.

I took the "under".

by winningugly on May 7, 2008 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i've had that one

good fun.

Jesus H. Larry! I said the first half!

by larry on May 7, 2008 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

can anyone tell me how to search for/ find an old comment if you're not sure which thread it was in?

i wish someone had told me that sportsnation had replaced rationality with caps lock.

by MarketMaker on May 7, 2008 5:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

extended application of logic/deduction?

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on May 7, 2008 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

or google if you remember any details well enough

Repeat after me: reading comprehension, even a little bit of thought before posting, and basic research are not signs of weakness.

by Toonderstrook on May 7, 2008 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

now that is an idea. thank you, sir.

i wish someone had told me that sportsnation had replaced rationality with caps lock.

by MarketMaker on May 7, 2008 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yo dudeski, I just sent you an email

"The little things are always in my mind," he said. "I always like to move the guy over, I like to bunt."

by ChicagoPete on May 7, 2008 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

give me a few minutes to look at the links.

Repeat after me: reading comprehension, even a little bit of thought before posting, and basic research are not signs of weakness.

by Toonderstrook on May 7, 2008 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i wish you would have just suggested i skip it.

if i wanted to use logic or deduction, i wouldn’t have quit school in the seventh grade to take up an all-consuming heroin addiction that has destroyed everything i ever cared about.

i wish someone had told me that sportsnation had replaced rationality with caps lock.

by MarketMaker on May 7, 2008 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow, I think we're long lost twins

cause I did the same thing!

Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.

by rhythm on May 7, 2008 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't exaggerate re: the "all consuming heroin addiction"

Your meth habit is pretty awesome, also, you Breaking Bad bastard, you.

I took the "under".

by winningugly on May 7, 2008 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What can I say, guilty as charged

Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.

by rhythm on May 7, 2008 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Which bottle of wine are you currently on?

or have you grown some balls and switched to tequila?

Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.

by rhythm on May 7, 2008 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fiji H2O.

So I’ll have less starch in my shorts come game time.

I took the "under".

by winningugly on May 7, 2008 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that show 'breaking bad' is awesome

who knew malcolm’s dad was living such an interesting double life?

i wish someone had told me that sportsnation had replaced rationality with caps lock.

by MarketMaker on May 7, 2008 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

they're working on it

in the meantime use google:

say you look for that bugs and cranks story about jerry
type this on google:
bugs cranks jerry site:southsidesox.com

presto!

ps. this is the same:
bugs cranks jerry site:http://www.southsidesox.com/

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on May 7, 2008 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks for the help, never would have found it otherwise

i wish someone had told me that sportsnation had replaced rationality with caps lock.

by MarketMaker on May 7, 2008 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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